Dunbarton Board of Selectmen July 23, 2026
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Thursday, July 23rd. Time is 7:05. We had a big crowd, so I think it's how to put push the people away. Not um gentlemen, I have three present. I have the town administrator present. I have Mr. Fred Muller recording for the citizens of D. Thank you, Fred. >> Okay, gentlemen, I have three sets, four sets of minutes tonight. I'll approve make a motion to approve the regular minutes of July 9th as amended. >> I'll second the motion to approve on July 9th. >> Any discussion on those minutes at all? >> No. >> You got the last change in there. >> Yes, I did with the date. That was good. >> The date on the Yeah. >> holiday. >> Yeah. >> All in favor? >> I >> And now we go to nonpublic. We have three sets of nonpubliclix. I'll make a motion to approve the 7:23 p.m. non-public minutes of July 9th, 2026 as amended. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay. I just have um in the agenda it says 7:23, but the minutes say 726. I'll go with the 726 minutes and leave the agenda as a as a error. Any discussion of those minutes and should they be sealed? My question, I think they're fine. I don't think they need to be sealed. Is that the police chief recommendation? >> That was um >> Oh, that Yeah, that one. Okay. >> It's the It's concerning the retention bonuses we authorized. >> That doesn't need to be. >> Okay. All in favor then? >> I I >> And as an aside, I did check with the chief yesterday and the bonuses went off as expected. >> Okay. >> And so that was all good. I have another one. I'll make a motion to accept the uh nonaba minutes of uh July 9th by 8:39 and the subject was uh uh that was the one called by the tax collector. >> I'll second that. >> Any discussion on those? >> Does that need to be nonpublic? >> No, it doesn't. >> Um for sealing the >> I'm looking for any privacy information in there. I don't see anything in there at all. Okay. Then I have no further discussion. All in favor? want to do the last one. >> I'll make a motion to approve the uh 9:25 p.m. uh non-public minutes of July 9th, 2026 as amended. >> Which one was that? >> That was done by Okay. was brought forth by uh concerned by a town employee >> is brought forth by the >> need there is no privacy information to be concerned with does not be sealed. Thank you. Good job on those. >> All in favor of those minutes for for the 925 meeting. I >> I like to say it's going to be a short agenda, but I think I'm going to bite my tongue because we've said that before. >> I know. Don't go there. >> And one question. >> Okay. I'm going off for public comment. Fred, nothing. Jennifer, you here? The town uh clerk has entered the room. Anything for the public? Okay. I'm going to take it right straight to business. Um, we have some uh uh lean is developed working with police departments and pay scales for the uh newly organized police department to be uh basically going effect January 1st. >> So this is the uh sixstep wage scale that the board previous approved and implemented for um personnel within each department. This one was reddrafted because of the last meeting that the board held where we are now creating a new position of police lieutenant. So I have provided the board the current 2026 step wage scale which was approved and adopted based on the town meeting passing in March. I have only re organized them from high position to low position and both formats both um versions but I've included the police lieutenant new position for the board to look at and that will help you in your budget discussion and or um when that individual takes that role in any kind of promotional >> and on the proposed one there is no cola involved in that correct >> I don't know That's a question for you guys because if you look at the the manner by and I you I did provide you with this the report that he gave you. My understanding is that you take the step six u wage of the sergeant and put it into step one. Then you add two and a half% because he was interested in providing a differential >> between the two. Right. >> Um and then that the January 1st, 2027 for um >> pay >> new pay rate. So the question then is just clarifying whether there should be a cola or is this the final or >> so if I if I could state a um a thought or opinion on this is that this should align with 2026 >> rates current if there's a cola >> it would apply to every >> position that we would be talking about. So we don't we don't want to mix up this being a 2027 >> pay rate with cola. >> Correct. >> Okay. So going forward that second line beneath the 4487 will go away. That's just identifying what the chief asked us to include in that p in that role. So I will remove that and then going forward it will be just the the current rate the new proposed rate for the following year and then calculating the week and the annual. So that will go away. >> The two that line right there. Gotcha. >> Yeah. So it'll be similar to what the police sergeant is, but the rates will be there. Let's just >> actually Doesn't the second and the third line go away? >> Which one >> on this? Right. >> Just that one goes away. This whole line will go away. It's just identifying. >> Oh, that line also would. We're not declaring this yet. >> Correct. But um >> so there's no for that. Other times you put what the new 2026 rate was, >> right? See, I would put current rate and then this rate, but it is the 2026 or the following year's rate, but it includes a cola in this form. >> Okay. So, I would if you want to keep this third line. Yep. >> And say 11 2027. >> Yep. >> Leave it all blank. >> We're not approving anything yet. >> Do you guys follow what I'm saying? So there's no cola been approved yet. >> Okay. So I'm going to take all these wages and put them up here. Is what you're saying? >> No, you keep these wages as is. The first line remains as is, right? >> You delete the second row. >> Of all these these numbers here, these 112, 115, so on. >> And the third row moves up >> and you delete >> delete the third row. >> Delete you the third row. You delete the values in it. You leave the 11 127 over there if you want because there'll be rates established at some point for 1127, but they're not known yet. >> It could be 4%, it could be 1%, could be no percent. >> Yeah. Do you follow what I'm saying? >> Okay. So, you want me to just implement this row into the top row and then remove that and then leave. And we haven't figured the the cola yet, right? What you said. >> I think the chief was mature in adding the cola because it's got to be approved by the >> Oh, no. No, he wasn't. He just said he wanted a two and a half%. So, That's the number in the 40. >> He wanted 2 and 12% from the six step of this one to that number. >> No, that's not what it's in here. That's why. >> Really? >> Oh, >> that's why I provided it for you. >> All right. So, now I'm definitely confused. Is that cuz I thought step one of lieutenant was to be 2 and a half% >> step six of sergeant. >> Right. >> It is. It is. That's the way I interpret it. >> Okay. Where is it? >> The lieutenants pay with two and a half% above the It's on the third page obviously >> it's in middle the middle of the compensation. >> Okay. So >> the but the numbers that he's using for the annual is oop excuse me this number here. So that means that this is the good number that we're setting in at effective January 1st, 2027. >> He's saying this is the number that he wants. >> Okay, I'm going to do some math here. I guess >> I I I know it's I think what you were alluding to is two and a half% above the step six. Sorry. >> Yeah. So So this comes here. So 40 43.57 >> then 2% >> oh sorry 4487 >> right and that's what I have here >> okay >> oh I can see I was looking at this number okay so 44 87 >> here >> and apply2 yep yep >> 45.99 >> which is what I have so I'm going to get rid >> move the values >> up and And leave you can leave a 11 127 row there but keep it all blank. >> Okay. Gotcha. >> Wouldn't you have a blank row there for the cola if there is cola which >> Yep. I can do that. >> So these are correct but they're going to be step >> they're going to be in Y >> January 1st all the way across top. Got >> So another comment. It appears the two and a half% is being applied twice. Now you there's a two and a half% in here on the step six. >> I think that whole row two is a >> and then there's another two and a half% for the step one of the new hire. So in a sense the two and a half% is being applied twice but I think that's because of the promotion. >> Yeah. He still he still wants it to be above step six. >> Yeah. So, so >> I just want to make that point that >> so I he wanted it to be two and a half% above that number. >> Yeah. That's why it's being applied here. >> It should be 4599 [clears throat] correct up on the top. >> I only did it for visual. >> Yeah, because that's the current 2026. >> Oh, current 2026. >> 26 rate. >> Well, okay. I guess you can look at it that way. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Nobody's going into that in 2026, but that is what the rate is now. Okay. >> 4487 as you're looking at >> then you remove the two and a half% row. >> Yes. >> Row two should be deleted. >> Okay. We're up agreement on that one. >> I just wanted to show >> interesting. >> I wanted to make sure I was on the same >> I I think we are all on the same page now. >> So everything goes to the first line dated January 1st, 2027. >> Okay. I'm with you on that. >> I I can see it either way myself. >> Okay. Um, >> so I'm I think we're good there. Yes. >> I would I would just I would like just some time to chew on this now that we look at that. We're not voting on anything. >> Why don't we just defer defer just being presented? >> We'll present as a followup discussion next meeting. We can have it. >> We could we can do that. >> It actually doesn't even have to be next meeting. It just has to be prior to the first of the year. >> Exactly. >> Okay. That's a that's a so subject to review. >> But let's not Yeah. Let's not delay it any longer than it needs to be. >> Right. I think lean could clean up the chart and publish it as we see as you the recommendation we just said >> and and then review it again. >> Okay. Consensus >> final. Great. >> And then I'll share it with the chief so he has the >> accurate numbers for the first of the year. >> Well, >> we're not voting on that yet. I don't I don't I don't believe you should share it with him unless you want to just say it's draft. >> And I only say that because No, it's it was a proposal. >> It's a proposal. I'm not I'm not convinced that every single um wage scale should have step one of the one above it always above step six of the previous one. That is my opinion. There needs to be there there occasionally needs to be overlap there. >> Yeah. Uh >> there's no reason why a senior sergeant could be paid as the same as a lieutenant with no experience >> as what you're saying. I think >> or more. >> Potentially. >> So, so I I I just want some time to chew on this. >> Understood. Okay. >> Because I don't want to assume that >> step one of one level >> is always above step six of the previous level. >> I I I you totally get that. totally get >> like in the >> other words a sergeant with many years of experience would be could be and easily be paid more than a lieutenant starting out. >> That's that's a yes that's the point I'm making. So I just want time to for us to >> if it makes sense >> for us to review this. >> Yeah. Do you understand? >> Yes, I understand that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you for present. So you'll update this pro provide us with new new draft copies. >> Thank you. Okay, Lean, I think uh the other one is for administrative positions. >> Yeah. Well, um [clears throat] as I was on the role for cleaning up this one and improving on it, I did the same for the administrative roles just to give the board an idea of where the different um people in our in administrative department are. And [cough and clears throat] starting with the high and going to the low for those to do um very minimal deputy stipen type of role. >> So for the benefit of the um other members of the board here when I was when we were talking about things like wage scales and we were putting in she was going to put in the lieutenant thing. I think on a previous one the lieutenant you know was here and then they didn't go from like high to low in terms of positions on this sheet and [clears throat] I just said we should have some consistency >> where every department's wage scales are all high to low so that even if you add one you should insert it where it belongs in the high to low. >> Yeah. So if you added [clears throat] a you know a senior road person it goes in above the standard road person. And so that's all I think that's all you were doing here is just reorganizing. >> I'll continue to work through all the other >> and those are totally like administrative changes that don't require >> pure admin. >> Yeah. That don't require votes or >> It makes more clear for in the future. >> Okay. [clears throat] And mailbox items. We want to move around the mailbox items. I have none. >> There was nothing in the mailbox. >> Oh my god. Okay. That's very good. I'm going to open up for public comment. Fred, nothing for Brett. Town clerk. Jennifer, >> I love our new little tray so that customers can come to the doorway. It's working out great. >> I haven't seen it yet, but I heard it's really nice. >> Good. >> Okay. Show us. Maybe you can show me when I go by again. >> Yeah, >> I'd love to. >> Okay. Little show and tell. >> If not tonight, then >> whenever whenever we're going to wait. Okay. Very good. I'm going to basically open up a public comment I mean comment from the uh administrator next. [clears throat] >> All right. So I got um I created a administrative status report at your recommendation Michael and um I did glad Jennifer >> should we discuss in non or public? >> No, this is all public. >> Okay, very good. Uh so basically what I wanted to inform the board on um achievements and milestone updates the town website is fully operational and live on the new platform. Employees and committee use continue to learn the system. So it's a learning um a little bit of learning there but it's I think once we grasp the knowledge of it it's going to be a very easy to get in and out of the >> one one of the main problems the calendar was not really working [clears throat] so well. But we found, and Natalie was nice enough to help us with this, she was able to, what she had to do is delete the um federal holiday calendar and then reinstall a new calendar. And then that allowed us to merge all the the different departments that we could create on one page. But what we're finding that Joe is frustrating Joe Marie a little bit is that she typically handles the postings and the reservations for the second floor, right? >> But when the library director has things scheduled for the second floor, she's posting them as a library event. So then they're showing up twice. So we're just going to >> continue to work >> continue to work and and anything uh reserved needs to come through the town office. She has something internal for library that's fine. But if it's a reservation for the second floor, we need to make sure we have one person posting that. But I think once we get those ironed out, we'll be able to >> because we're going to have a base if two organizations show up at the same time. >> No. Well, yeah. No, I don't think that that it's a repeat of the same. >> Understood. Which is good. Which is which is all right. But >> yeah, >> the calendar is now showing all the events. >> It is. Yes. Great. Okay. >> Yeah, we're starting to get it there. also want to say that uh our town audit uh internal reviews are complete. Uh we now have the outstanding financial statement of the MS535 which is what is the tool that the auditor completes and we use that to set the tax rate. So that is still pending. >> Yeah, that's what's needed for October as I understand it for the end of August. Okay. Uh early September the best. >> So it's coming. Okay. Very good. >> Um financial statement reconciliation. So 26 statements are complete through March of this year. Uh April reconciliation is in progress uh and being um actively being processed and then the review of the treasurer. So we're keeping ahead which is really uh a good thing. >> What so we're finishing just April right now? >> Um yeah, we have to wait for the treasurer to get her report to us because we have to reconcile to the bank. Okay. >> But we also have to reconcile to the treasur. >> So right now we're good through March. >> Through March. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a requirement to be uh so many months behind or >> Well, it's not it's frowned upon in many municipalities that the um it's possible that there's no finance department. Um in our town, we have two different softwares that are being reconciled. software that we utilize through the town and then the treasurer uses a QuickBooks and because she's accustomed to that, she's technically reconciling the way she knows. But to have her use our software in the town, which would be ideal, would eliminate another reconciliation, but she chose not to do that. She's elected official, so we continue to work with her. >> Could you give more history? I mean, I think these numbers, these dates are outstanding because if I go back several years, how far in the rears were? >> We were close to 10 11 months in the rears when we were um short staffed and learning the system and and whatnot. So, we've really done extremely well trying to stay ahead. This is it was a busy um budget season and leading into an early audit, which we don't typically have in April. So, it was just um trying to juggle all the different things that >> Now, did the audit have any comments on our uh OEM? >> He said they're going to be probably some repeat um comments from prior years. another um thing that's occurring, in case you're not aware of it, we are in the process of um converting our emails to.gov and that is being um it's a grant. So basically the transition of moving to the.gov is being handled by Overwatch who um oversees and um pretty much will do the majority of what we need to do and all the costs and expenses are covered by the grant. So, the one thing that was holding us up to get to that point is um the original individuals working through Overwatch was recommending we do one domain and we couldn't get the police department's IT tech to commit to um expanding on their support. So, the recent um individual assigned to our account said that it's not a problem to have two separate domains. So, that being already spoken to advisory. They are ready to uh provide the S. So for our side which is minimal and um overwatch will take charge of getting >> time frame >> I would say [clears throat] within the next four weeks would be converted. >> No would that convert all emails from Gmail to a GV mail >> everything [clears throat] and it's supposed to be more secure. I don't think I don't think it's affecting our >> Gmail, >> our emails, >> but that goes through the inside behind the scenes of a.gov, >> but it'll be like selectman.gov. >> Right. Otherwise, it'll be select.gov uh >> the dunbart.org. It'll be doneh.gov. Correct. That's all. >> Okay. I believe our addresses that we've done >> which is a little little odd. We have personal Gmail free Gmail accounts that we do all of our business through. >> I mean at some point we [clears throat] could look at that and and go with the exchange only like we've done for a few of the different um departments that need that email access but don't want to coingle their personal email with >> although I have to admit the email I use right now I I think I've you I get dropped uh a solicitation which is has nothing to do with our government or just they want to sell me something for the government but it's my my email for is all Dunar related. >> Oh sure there's no question about that. Yeah, >> the the the me to me the it and maybe legality issue is if something was to happen to one of us, >> you don't we don't have the ability to get into your account because your >> password >> you you took it out, you own it, we don't own it. >> And so there are things like right to know that are possibly >> right because all our emails are supposed to be available for >> correct. So the town doesn't own our personal Gmail accounts that we've set up for our select main business. >> The only thing that we do through the shared email is that our IT tech adds and removes the new emails as they come along. So for example, Dave was all done with he's he's got his own personal email [clears throat] and he no longer >> we can take we can take this offline though. I I don't I mean obviously we've been this is the way it's been done for a while, >> right? The thing is make it more secure and more act from a legal standpoint. >> Talk to Overwatch about that. See if it's better to give you guys >> ago email address and that way >> someone someone gets an autoback and they still you have accessibility to that account. >> Well, there are the lowerc cost ones at like $4 a month or whatever they are. [clears throat] >> The the exchange accounts. >> Exchange. Yep. Um, and I'm happy to take this offline. It hasn't been a priority in my opinion, but but I do believe it's a potential risk down the road >> if something either an acrimonious departure of one of us or an accident or >> no plans right away. >> Yeah. Or anything like that, right? We wouldn't [clears throat] we don't have the access to get into those accounts because the town doesn't own our Gmail accounts. >> I can ask um Overwatch. Um >> Okay. Well, they're just going to say, "Sure, set it up." >> I think it might be more of a an HMA legal question is, "Should we be doing this?" They're probably going to say, "No, you shouldn't. >> You shouldn't do it." Where the town gives us an official >> email address so that if anything was to happen, an admin can get into it. >> Okay. [clears throat] Right. >> Is that the same for shared emails like in your case? >> Yep. Yep. We uh they would just set up what they call a shared mailbox, which would be the selectman at and [clears throat] we would all be members of the shared mailbox. >> Okay, >> makes sense. >> Okay, Le, you still on? You still on? So that you'll continue. >> Yep. All right. Um transfer station uh just a little update. Personnel um are working together effectively and the supervis um he's enrolled. He just informed me that uh yesterday, I believe, that he's enrolled several workers in an all day class to receive the required certification. So, he's doing a great job keeping up on making sure everybody knows what they're supposed to be doing and doing it the right way. Uh transfer station waste recycling operation continues to be a process with minimal backlog. Um I had um one concern about our dumpster being over really overflowed with trash metals. Um um I was told that an individual came in late at at the end of closing one day and was remodeling a home and paid for his material to be, you know, removed from his home, but it created excess on the ground. But for the last week and a half, two weeks, the the area has been really cleaned up. So, they're trying to stay on top of that. It's all learning for Greg, but he's doing a great job. Um Building maintenance. The u many approved maintenance projects have been completed. Police department interior painting has been completed. Small touchups remain. Transfer station recycling counter is complete. Back room office space has been cleaned and organized to free up space that the last uh with the last remaining project of modifying the shelves in the office and the lunchroom area. Followed by the floor repair to be completed in two phases to allow staffing to continue to use the So, Greg is excited about that. Um, Greg Miller has been very um helpful in in suggesting >> it was his recommendation to do in two phases. Greg Miller was a very nice recall. [laughter] >> Yep. Um, >> two phases on the floor. >> The board a couple weeks ago asked to have the library vent and the addition cleaned out. He says they've both been cleaned out, but um the handyman recommends a deep clean before heating season, which would be a little bit more involved. So, try to stay on top of that. I had an incident reported to me from the library u that the ceiling was leaking into the through the tin ceiling to the first floor happened late on Friday the 10th. We um located the leak and um we called the plumber and his recommendation was to put a bucket under there until he could um look into it in detail. Um when the plumber arrived he discovered that the that supplies the AC condenser pump was turned off. Um, Mary stated that the instructions when using the sound system was to turn off the breaker after each use. So, we understand that the >> sound system and the air conditioner on the same breaker, >> right? Yeah. >> So, his recommendation is to um >> Yeah. Install a power strip. power strip that has a control and you can switch it off. >> Makes total sense. >> So for now we do not turn off the power the breaker because it's going to weaken the breaker over time >> and um >> so I think for now if they're you're okay we're just going to do this the power cords instead of getting additional electrical work. >> Oh yeah yeah. So I I'll just give you an anidote just for the a little bit of humor here. There was a technical issue being called in about a server that kept going offline every night at 8 PM. This reminds me of this. We were we were putting on Yeah, we were putting on like, okay, let's let's figure this out. You know, what's causing that? We were doing all analysis of all the logs in the server and everything. And we found out the cleaning people came in and at 8:00 at night, >> they'd unplug and plug their vacuum cleaner in, [laughter] >> vacuum the room, put the plug back in, the server comes back up. But but uh >> so it turned out to be the vacuum cleaner that was causing the server to go down every night at 8:00 p.m. >> I've got a couple similar stories. >> I'm sure you do. >> And then what's not typed on this here is Greg Miller has been working with the office to make sure that things are working in all of our office space. And the board had discussed um storage container for the town clerk's um electrical for >> um >> voting >> voting equipment and it had to be a certain type where uh ventilation had to be that type of control. >> And so between Jennifer doing a lot of hard work and then purging some of the back room closet no longer need. We've been able to clean up that closet. Um I think we're ready for Greg to do a minimal sweep and modify a shelf and he should be able to put that cage together for the town clerk and she will um have a nice secure place for her. >> She's that town clerk. >> Um yeah. And then she also requested that um [clears throat] he look at modifying a shelf for her second station and she seems and she's enjoying it. Right. >> I think having Greg come in as a general handyman for the town. >> It's been very It's been very And he replaced the door and he replaced the swing though. I'm sure you guys didn't notice it, but it's not real heavy. >> I thought it was painted. I didn't realize it was replaced. It looks great. >> Yeah. And it doesn't swing back at you. >> Nice and light. >> It's nice. [clears throat] I think it's going to be a good He's been a true asset around from the police department to here to the transfer station. He's been and we we have enough the little projects to keep him occupied. >> And I think talking with him, he he doesn't really want to work full-time. He just he likes these little projects which is great. >> Yeah. Yeah. With working for us. >> I think everyone's pleased to have work. >> That's all I have right now. >> Thank you. Okay. I'm going to bring it back to the board. I'm going to start with Chuck. Yeah. I have one item. [clears throat] I've noticed that might be apparently there's some abuse of the Bella Brook conservation area parking area where is a available area for two vehicles and I've seen over the last few weeks some um different vehicles parked there overnight for multiple days and I don't understand why unless I think it's probably one of the neighbors and I think that's abusive to be parking there and taking that parking away from potential uh people that want to use the conservation area. So, there is a sign there that says that uh there's no parking from 11:00 p.m. to 5:00 a.m. per order of the selectment. And perhaps we should have the police re enforce this parking ban overnight and maybe also identify who vehicles the users of these vehicles that are there for multiple days. uh because I think it's unfair to those that want to use it if two people two vehicles want to park there who want to legit legitimately use it and also it presents a question to me. Do we need to send out a search and rescue party because there's a vehicle parked there and is someone having a medical emergency that needs to >> you know truly need some help? Um you know is this an emergency? >> And would just drive by and just ignore So, can we >> I would I would I ask I'm gonna ask you to contact Chief tomorrow since you have you you're more knowledgeable what's going on there >> and just uh bring it to his attention, see what his recommendations are because there's an order from Muckleman not to have overnight parking there to start with. >> And the thing is u uh the chief likes to take a non-aggressive attitude like identify who it is, advise the person. Oh yeah. And then if they don't comply then he goes he can tow it if you have to. >> Exactly. I think it's a matter of to whoever's doing this. >> If you'd give a give a call to chief, I'd be grateful. But you you have firstand know I don't want to >> mix anything up in the translation if I >> Okay. Yeah, I can directly call. >> We have consensus on that. >> I I agree. I support that. >> So, it doesn't have to go through you. I just take something off your plate there. >> That way it doesn't have to be repeated and sometimes when you repeat things can get lost in translation. So, chuck them out. Let you hear it directly from you. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Okay. Anything else? >> No. Nothing. Okay, Dana. >> Yes, I have three things. [clears throat] We are still conducting our transfer station equipment uh evaluation, search and evaluation. We've narrowed it down to three vendors. I would say six different machines that we're looking at. We are gathering we've gathered the quotes for those. Uh Dave Nalt, the former selectman, is going to put those into a spreadsheet with all of the >> pros and cons. I'll well he's going to actually put the the numbers the code numbers in there. >> Um and then [clears throat] we'll put that together and then we'll uh also he's going to have the brochures for each of them. So we'll have we're going to have a little workshop myself, Dave. Um if Chuck you want to join, we'll just have to publicly announce it. >> Um we'll get uh Brian >> and that workshop will come up with a recommendation then the board will decide. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it may involve going back out to maybe the final two machines or something like that so we can actually um >> Well, it's not like buying a like a computer. It's like a it's like almost $100,000 piece of equipment. >> So, so anyway, that's going that's going well in terms of the assessment of these things. Uh and at the same time we're also evaluating which grants might be available because there are department of uh environmental service clean air grants >> for a diesel to diesel or a diesel to electric uh option. We just want to understand those >> if it's applicable >> if it's applicable. >> I think one of the concerns we're going to keep that reserve the uh what if with the band-aids on it the uh what we have >> Yep. [clears throat] >> Yep. And that'll be that'll be an assessment that we can we can also decide on. >> Uh because we know that the tradein value is somewhere around 11,000 maybe maybe down a little bit from last year of what that trade in value are. Um obviously we'd look at what the rebate value is. So >> and lastly I just want to uh training thing is it seems like in the past training on that uh machine was kind of limited to like select personnel. I want to make sure we get a good cross-section of people trained on that by the vendor. >> You want select men trained too? >> No. [laughter] >> Select >> little joke. >> I know, [clears throat] but I think it's >> select people trained. >> I I like to have a good cross-section of the people in the transportation train >> to create some depth. >> No, no, I agree. >> And we'll we'll um Yeah, we'll likely, you know, negotiate some type of support in that manner. I think that's important because uh you know here's your canoe piece of equipment. Well, I I know where the key goes, but that's what I Yeah. >> Um on that note, you asked Greg about the a grant that was around $5,000. >> He did get a response from Oh, you got it. Okay. Yeah, >> I put it in your >> Yeah, I saw it here. >> Cuz I I wanted to know um we were told about a $5,000 grant. I'm [clears throat] curious if there is um what >> he hasn't been engaged. You forgive me with that one. >> You all right, Fred over there? >> He just shut off a second. >> Oh, did it? >> So, um >> we exceeded the time limit. >> So, that's where I stand. Okay. I just just keep the board update on that one. >> And uh that's all I have. I think we're going to have one nonpublic. Uh we're going to talk with the town administrator. That's my request too. But we're going to go uh we're going to make a nonpublic uh for RSA 91-L Coen 3 sub paragraph Roman number two sub paragraph C at the request of the town administrator in the select board. And I'll say Kaminsky at the time is 856. Kaminsky >> 7:56. >> 756. I stand corrected, sir. >> Memorial. >> Uh Frost. Yes. >> Okay. We'll adjourn for two minutes, two or three minutes for Fred to uh disassemble those materials and then we'll continue the null. >> Thank you, Fred. Again, >> we're all say it, right? >> We're all set.