CIP Committee Meeting 8/26/2026

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But the budget came out said, "You have
to do it." And I said, "Oh, thanks. You
guys are really a lot of fun."
[laughter]
>> In a sarcastic way.
>> Nice. I tried to get somebody else to
volunteer, but there was nobody else.
Just wouldn't do it.
>> I can't write.
>> You're recording.
>> You're recording.
>> Okay. Call the meeting to order at 402.
>> Right. We have Mr. Johnson here. We have
Mr. Lamoy here. We have Mr. Henry here.
Mr. Have Weatherbe here. And Monica,
she's late. And we have Rebecca from I
don't know what color. [laughter]
>> All right. So, let's get on to the
approval of the August 12 minutes. Did
you have a chance to look at these?
>> I did.
>> And you must have lots of changes.
>> You need a motion to approve and a
second.
>> All right. So go ahead. Motion to
approve.
>> Second a motion.
>> Okay. Open for discussion. Open for
discussion.
>> I do. Yes. To answer your previous
question. Yes. As the discussion. Do you
have any start with you first?
>> I don't have I didn't read the I did I
have a few items for discussion.
>> I figured you would.
>> Do you have a copy that we can mark up?
Because I think you're going to make a
couple of changes.
You need something to write down to
record what we say.
Technically, sir, reading is recording
for you already.
>> Yeah, we know.
>> We know. But
>> it'll be easier. Okay. So, minutes.
>> It's cool.
>> I get it.
>> Yeah. No, you're right. But he doesn't
want to have to go back listening to
recording in order to just make a couple
of quick updates to minutes. Yeah.
>> So,
um in the paragraph, the fire department
reported that. See the paragraph?
>> Yes.
The very last three or four words I
don't think are correct. It says here um
the tanker the last few words completely
wears out or engine 3 is received. I
think the words or engine 3 is received
I think are supposed to be deleted. I
think they the fire department said they
were using a taker until it completely
wears out. Period.
>> Period.
>> Yeah.
>> Period.
>> Agreed.
>> All right.
>> Yep.
>> Um next page.
There's a paragraph that says there's
nothing planned for the Wishwater pump
station.
>> See that paragraph?
>> Yeah.
>> The second sentence says the meeting
house is planning for a heating system.
>> Well, I those words aren't exactly
right. I would say the meeting house
preservation is recommending
>> a heating system.
>> It's planning.
>> They are planning for it. All right. I
as long as they really are. I heard
recommending.
>> Yep. They are planning.
>> It is planning. It is in the planning
stages. Thank you. I will I back off on
that one.
>> Good.
>> Next couple paragraphs down. There is no
plan for the bridge at the transfer
station. Is that really true?
>> That's already that's already under the
engineering.
>> That's not what I heard at the last
meeting. And these are minutes at the
last meeting. I didn't hear that.
There's no plan for that transfer.
>> It's already uh it's already in in
progress.
>> A plan needs to be developed. I think
that should say the transfer station
bridge planning is in progress.
>> Yeah. instead of those first two
sentences, right?
>> It's scheduled to be replaced in 2028.
>> That's what I thought.
>> Yeah.
Transfer station bridge
project
>> planning is progressing. Something like
that we heard. Right.
>> Planning is progressing. I'm good with
that.
>> That's enough. It's better than saying
there's no plan and a plan needs to be
developed.
[clears throat]
>> Okay. Couple paragraphs down. The
Blackwater Bridge is scheduled for 2014.
That's fine.
I hope maybe it's English gram. The
second sentence says other general
discussion included Masoma Blackwater.
What does that mean?
>> The upper trust and other items. I don't
I don't understand. Masoma Blackwater.
>> I don't know what that means.
>> Other general discussion included.
Um
I'm not sure so to fix it uh and
obviously it isn't meaningful as the way
it is. Um
>> so why don't we just say other general
discussion ensued
>> that that's all that's all we need
really
after the black water. Yeah for that
second sentence other general discussion
ensued. That's good enough.
>> Okay.
>> I miss something one paragraph up. Sure.
There's a word missing. The item listed
as goose pun covered is not a cover box
line. The north Larry bridge at a cost.
It should say North Larry Road, right?
>> Bridge.
>> The word road needs to be inserted.
>> Okay, great.
>> Um, and I think that's everything I
found.
>> Okay.
>> Anything I found? Got anything else,
Scott?
>> Scott doesn't like to rock the boat.
[laughter]
Oh,
>> come on now.
>> Come on. We got to have some fun while
we work while you work.
>> Two corrections for me.
>> Sure.
>> I fell into the
bridges
question marks
>> and the spelling of my last name.
>> All right. So, let's see.
>> So, where
the attendance
>> you What do we got? Whether B
>> W
E, right?
>> Oh, so it's not
>> A and a B.
>> No A. And whether it be B at the
beginning
and it says from question marks. Yeah,
you got to replace the question marks
with Thank you. I'm sorry I missed that.
>> Well, with what?
>> From highway. Okay,
>> there you go.
>> Yeah, thank you. You I'm sorry. I should
have highlighted those question marks.
Ah, okay. Nobody's perfect.
>> All right. So,
>> okay. So, we're done with those. If we
were perfect, we'd only need one of us
here. [laughter]
>> So, you need to ask if people want to
>> I do the motion. So,
>> okay.
>> Go ahead. Go ahead. So, if we have a
motion to approve as amended.
>> So, moved and seconded.
>> Seconded.
>> All those in favor? I. So, it's done.
Thank you. Perfect.
Okay. That's out of the way. Good even.
All right. Now, we're up to review of
the highway department requirements.
Highway.
Okay. So, the first thing we have on our
list, highway department equipment.
You see that or is it too small? I can
see that. Okay.
>> I have a question. Was there anything
sent out that we would have received
that shows what we're going to review
tonight today or not? No. Okay. All
right.
>> No. We've been running a little bit
short-handed. You know,
>> I know. I understand. I just wanted to
make sure I didn't miss something.
>> We're getting zero support from the temp
administration.
>> I'm not trying to make trouble. I just
want to make sure I didn't miss
something, which I could have easily.
All right. But
>> I can't quite make out those numbers.
See if I can Sorry.
Yeah, just slide along.
>> Yeah, we'll have to slide down.
[clears throat]
>> All right, let me find something else. I
want to find something else.
>> Oh, you figured out how to Okay, if you
know how to go between documents and
keep them on that screen, then I think
my time here is done. That was all I was
waiting around for was to make sure you
knew how to get from document to
document. Well, then thank you so much
for your
>> No, I didn't want to insult your
>> He's gonna leave that for us. [laughter]
>> Good boy.
>> All right.
>> One in all by it.
>> Is there anything else you guys need
help with that?
>> No.
>> But no BS. As soon as I saw you go to a
different document, I knew you were
good.
>> All right, guys. Have a good one.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. Good day. Now,
>> do you know Carrie? I heard she was
coming back with the same order.
>> All right. So, let's just go down the
list. We have something called the GMC
2500 number one.
>> You know what that is?
>> Yep.
>> Oh, good.
>> And uh that's scheduled to be replaced
in 2030.
Any issues with that?
>> Well, can we see the dollar value in the
2030 column?
>> Yeah, it says right 2030
491.
>> So, what happened years between now and
2030?
>> I passed them because there was nothing
in between.
>> So, there the year we purchased it in
2022.
>> Right. Right. So, we get eight years out
of it.
>> Yeah. So, 76k in 2030. All right. Got
it. All right.
>> Now, let's see what this guy says. The
3500 AC. Is that No, that's
>> when you put this. What do you mean this
guy? What is this?
>> Where am I?
>> See it on this list anywhere?
>> What is he looking at?
>> I'm trying to find the vehicle on the um
mechanics report.
>> Oh, on the Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't
know you jumped in the mechanics report.
Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right.
>> Which one is it? Oh, the Sierra 2000. Is
that it?
>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Okay.
>> So, uh he thinks it's a pretty good
condition. Y place in four years. Yeah.
>> Okay, good.
>> Move on to the next one. The GMC number
two crew cab pickup
>> that went to the buildings and grounds
person. We don't have it.
>> Yeah, that should have been
>> remember I I had talked to you about
that. We were repurposing some.
>> Yeah, that's fine.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And I didn't know we could leave it in
highway or we could but it be its own
little subgroup, right?
>> It should really go into the buildings
and grass. They're going to
>> We don't have a section of the buildings
or grounds is the only thing.
>> Well, right. Sorry. Yeah, we we have
buildings.
>> Need to start one because you're going
to have to start sucking up the repairs
of fuel.
>> No, that's right.
>> Moving forward.
>> GMC number two is now buildings.
[snorts]
>> Move it to the buildings. It'll look
funny in the buildings, but we'll know
why it's there.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> Oh, because we got buildings moving.
We do have that.
>> And which one is that on this crazy
list?
>> It' be 3500.
>> Number 68.
>> 68.
>> Number 68. That's this one.
>> That at you. HC. It's supposed to be HD.
>> It's air condition right there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I see.
>> Needs some kind of an exhaust system
repair.
>> Uh, yeah. Manifold exhaust. Yep. Is
>> that right?
>> Yep. Okay,
>> that's correct.
>> All right. So, that's good.
>> So, what your replacement again?
That should have been replaced.
>> Yeah, it was replaced. Oh, it went to
the I'm sorry. Yeah, it was replaced and
repurposed to
the question is a little different. Is
the town going to replace that vehicle?
And if so, in what year?
>> Right. I understand
>> that needs to be on the plan in some
year.
>> Absolutely.
>> With a dollar value.
>> Right.
Great.
>> Yep.
>> 16. It's 10 now.
The rust isn't too bad on it yet, right?
>> It's not.
>> There's a little bit on the rocker as we
started, but they're going to when it
comes in for the tackle,
>> but
would you say another five years out of
it?
>> That's right. That's why we
>> Yeah, probably back to back.
>> So, what year should we The town plan to
replace it?
>> Yeah.
>> You know, you guys may not using it, but
the town needs to blend in money. I
would 2030 or 2031.
>> 2031.
>> Yeah, probably. I'll check with guy, but
I would say 2030 is a
>> came 2030 as a placeholder anyway.
Something.
>> Okay.
>> And what amount of money
>> in 2030?
>> Well, it's just
>> right now it would be 85,000
>> 90.
>> By then it'll be around 90. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, the the system automatically
kicks it up 3% a year. So, for instance,
you'll see that and we did have it
scheduled for some reason, God knows
when, at 3035. Um,
>> how did it get to 20?
>> You know, we're not going to with some
information is not accurate.
>> You're right. I agree. I agree. I
understand.
>> Fix it.
>> Yeah, we got to fix it. We got to get
fix.
>> Don't worry about it.
>> Let's identify all of the problems, then
we can fix everything.
>> There you go. Right. So 85, but since
we're rolling it out so far, the system
automatically kicks it up to 107 by
then. Yeah, by that year would be
>> which is a good feature, right? So we're
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, Enfield replaced their
buildings.
>> Oh, by the way,
>> that was a 96.
>> I do have a general question about that.
>> Um, a year ago before we didn't have a
building's gun, right?
>> Yeah.
>> Now we do.
>> Correct. He needs a truck full-time.
>> Correct.
>> And he will continue to need it.
>> Correct.
>> Okay,
>> I'm done.
>> Next. So, we need buildings
>> next.
>> We need buildings. I think we got
buildings somewhere, but we'll see. All
right. So, uh Dodge number four, one ton
5500. Do you guys know what that is?
>> Yep. That one's also been repurposed.
>> Oh, it's been It's no longer ours.
>> Where is it?
>> That's uh What are we calling? Cemetery.
>> Cemetery. Cemeteries.
Yeah.
It's kind of split. I mean, yeah,
>> we bought it in 2022.
>> No, that's when we replaced it. That's
not right.
>> 15.
>> It says year.
>> Yeah, exact. Yeah, I agree. But it's not
right. Yeah,
>> it's not right.
>> No, 15.
>> 2015.
>> You thought that was last purchased in
2015?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Got to fix that.
>> Yeah,
it's a 15 model anyways.
>> Yeah.
It wouldn't have been purchased used,
right?
>> And when should we when should it be
replaced again? Even though it's been
passed on to someone else.
>> Well, it's not currently running right
now.
>> Yeah.
>> Say again.
>> It's not currently running right now.
That's what I say. Which one is that?
>> What's so What is it showing there?
Yeah.
>> So, it should be green one.
>> Yeah.
>> Is it the 5500?
>> 50. 55. Dodge 5500. That's that one,
right?
>> Yep. Yep.
>> And so that one is now gone to the
cemetery, right? So you said here we
have it right here. The mechanics report
has
>> corrected before the whole dev system
went down in it,
>> right?
>> System went down.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> Oh, measuring system. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And he thinks it's in fair
condition.
>> Fair. Hope to. Yeah. So, when does that
need to be replaced? What year does that
show up in?
>> What are you thinking, Hugh? Can we get
the 2030 on that old girl? I don't know.
>> That one, the rocket pan have already
been foamed and
>> Yeah, they've already been foam put up
and it's the front end's been rebuilt in
it. Springs have been put in it. It's
>> retired.
>> I would look at that more towards 28. I
think we need to look at
>> so this next year because
>> I agree that we'll put it into 2028.
Yep.
>> No, no issues.
>> You guys are
just alone for the ride.
>> Like I say here again, that's not a
frontline plug truck. So that
>> correct,
>> it won't when it's replaced, it won't
need to be replaced with the equipment
that's currently on it. So the turnover
time should be fairly quick.
>> And what would the
>> Will that change
cost?
>> Second. But what Scott just said,
[clears throat] would it change the net
replacement cost?
>> Um,
I would leave it there at the moment.
How much? 150.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's 1475.
[clears throat]
>> Because we've got to decide what we want
to replace it with.
>> Correct. Yeah.
>> Right. So, just leave it at the 150.
>> I see. I don't see the 1475. Oh, out
there. Yeah. Well, what happens is a
trading
>> value.
>> Yeah, there's a trade value of 15 that
we're carrying.
>> Yeah,
>> that's why it's only 147 instead of
whatever.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Um, now the uh 2015 with six
wheel dumps
>> international.
>> That one's slated to be replaced this.
That's the one for this year, right? You
should have 2026. Yep.
>> There you go.
meaning that you were in already.
>> Yeah.
>> Is that in progress that we ordered it?
But
>> we haven't because we're trying to
figure out what we want for a truck.
We'd like to replace it with a 10,
>> right?
>> But there's not enough money there for
that. [laughter]
>> Well, by the time the truck gets built,
I'm thinking, you know,
>> see, I thought a year ago we planned for
10 wheelers, didn't we, Scott?
>> Yes. Yes, we did. Yes, we So, why do we
not have enough money? The one I see the
180.
>> That's a good upgrade either.
>> Double that.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. So, let's see. So, in 20 this
this particular vehicle,
>> right, the 2015 number five,
>> right? We want to replace that with a 10
wheel.
>> Mhm.
And uh the cost of that is going to be
300
because that's what we're carrying is
replacements 300 cost. So,
>> um I'm okay with car year like we bought
it today, it would be 300.
>> Add 30 grand onto that because you're
paying for the 27 emissions now.
>> Even if we probably we may be able to
sneak in if we order it the next few
weeks, but that's what the salesman told
me earlier in the year that
>> yeah,
>> basically if you don't order that thing
by midsummer, you're going to be sucking
up to 27 emission cost is going to be
anywhere 30 40,000 more.
>> It' be nice if we could order by
military.
>> Yeah.
>> All the diesels. That'd be great.
>> They're admission free.
>> I know being in government, you think
they'd let us.
>> All right. So, um,
>> so be att
We can we can accept the estimate for
the moment of 300 or whatever or 300,
but since it's within one year, we need
a quote.
>> We need at least an estimate by
something documented.
>> We did get a quote from Richie, didn't
we?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we did.
>> Yeah.
>> All right.
>> It's just with the the change of town
administrators and
>> all the other stuff going on, it's part
of a lot of it's on me. It's like it's
been on the back burner.
>> Yeah.
>> Because we got that. We have the uh
roadside mower that needs to be supposed
to be ordered this year, too.
>> Sure. I thought you said that to me, but
may have been a hard copy you gave me.
>> So, we're going to do that. And we think
that that's going to be showing up in
when
>> it'll be [clears throat] it'll be two
years.
>> 2028.
>> Yeah. Two years.
>> Now dump truck.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, it's the upf. We can get the
truck, but we It's the upfit. Yeah. It's
getting the body and stuff put on it.
>> The one we ordered two and a half years
ago was currently being built now.
>> And we're hoping to have a next month.
>> Out of control.
>> Much worse than it used to be.
>> Yeah. It's crazy. Crazy. They're hoping
to have the body by the end of this
month.
>> I can remember ordering
mid-Marchch
and having it to plow snow with in
October.
>> There you go. That month really see
>> I I don't remember being that good, but
I didn't remember one yearly time. Now
we're talking two yearly time four
>> what I'm hearing. Holy cow.
>> The last I ordered was a year and a half
out. And the condition of that is poor.
>> What's that?
>> The current back.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's Yeah,
>> guys. I see.
>> That one wasn't bought new. Yeah.
>> No, that was a used truck when they got
it.
>> The thing is it's it's been it's either
hall salt in the winter and and chloride
in the summer. So, it's like
>> rear body shot on it then.
>> Yeah. That's okay.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. So, the answer they got the
answers we need, right? We're going to
do it in 2028.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Okay, number six, six wheel dump,
right? That's going to be replaced with
a 10 and the time frame for that is
2027.
>> Is that accurate?
>> It should be the number. See, nothing
shows up.
>> First year of the plan.
>> Nothing shows up.
>> Well, keep going across. Show up in the
later year for some reason.
>> 2030.
>> I get out there,
>> you know.
>> I know. I know. I know.
>> Okay. All right, we can complain.
>> That again, but I understand.
>> No, she do her best.
>> I know it says 2030. Oh, 2026. Oh, wrong
wrong line. Sorry, I can't.
>> That's okay.
>> Recommended next year.
>> It was budgeted in 2031. But now, what
do we want to budget that for?
I
>> think eight needs I don't know where
eight is on, but eight needs to go
before seven.
>> Forget about that. We want to talk about
six.
>> Oh, we're on six. I thought I thought
we're on truck seven. I'm sorry.
>> No, we're still on six.
>> Yeah,
>> that guy.
>> Right. So, it was recommended in 27,
>> but we're not going to get it to 27.
>> No.
>> Right. But when are we budgeting it for
number six?
When when should we get that?
That's a 10wheeler again.
>> Good. And
>> no, number six is six wheeler. Yeah, but
it's going to be replaced with a 10.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it'll be replaced with a 10 wheel.
>> We're gonna We're plenty of money for a
10-wheeler. Right.
>> Right. Well, that's what we're
discussing now.
>> Yes.
>> Right. And then so, uh, right now, when
do we think we want to get that? What?
Right now, we're thinking about
budgeting it for a receipt in 2031.
Is that too late?
>> I think so.
>> Okay. When do you like?
>> Well, 219
That was make it 12 years old. That was
Yeah, we don't we never get 12 years
out, right?
>> 29.
>> Just looking at 29 will be
>> time. We're looking at 29.
>> What did you say next year?
>> Didn't you just look at that?
>> I thought you did.
>> I will. Oh,
>> I mean with the maintenance program we
have now, that's going to make a big
difference.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
>> Right. And I think the the question now
is that one is certainly both of these
are that one's not going to be ordered
right away. So you the cost on that
would be a full replacement cost. We're
expecting to be 330
>> today. Today,
right?
So, we'll up that to 330 even. That's
good. And then um wanted to know
what
>> we talking about year to replace it.
Yeah. Part of the impact on that is
what's the condition?
>> So, which one is that one?
>> You said it was number six, right?
>> Yeah. But it doesn't show up on the
>> This doesn't use number six.
>> Which one is number six?
Well, I have to ask. We got to ask
report to put the truck number
>> number five. Number six. Got to ask him
to do that.
>> I had I don't want to get into it. I
don't want to be I don't want to be on
the record telling you what I think
about this.
>> That's fine. [laughter]
>> I understand.
>> No. Yeah. I'm not going to do it.
>> I got you. Don't
>> do it in private.
My statement is
>> we think it was
>> I think it's
>> 75.
>> Yeah.
>> He said it's good.
>> Good condition. Does he say it needs
anything in particular?
>> It needs nothing in particular.
>> All right. Yep. every one of them. But
that says,
>> well, my my suggestion, it's a 2019
purchase.
>> And then
>> yes,
>> 2031 is too long. Maybe we put it in
2029.
>> 2029.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Yeah, it's in good condition. That
should be okay. I would.
>> Yeah, I would hope. Right.
Uh, okay. Number 10.
Purchased in 2020. the Western Stars two
wheel.
>> That one's already a tandem. Yeah,
>> that's a 21.
>> Yep.
>> And that one is scheduled to be um
2028
is our recommended year, but we're not
doing that.
>> Well, you know why? Because we had an
eight year life in the
equipment. That's why it ended up there.
Yeah.
>> Right. But we're thinking about getting
it in 20 2031,
>> right? Is that right? I
>> think so. Yeah. We have to order it in
28. Yeah. With this lead time. Yeah.
That name about right.
>> Okay. So, that one's relatively okay.
And uh guy thinks about that one. What
does he think about that one?
>> Dump truck.
>> He thinks that's
>> Yeah, that's
>> Wow. All right. Kill the new one.
>> We haven't gotten a new one since 2020.
>> 21. Actually, 21.
>> You saw that long time. I didn't realize
we going five years without getting it.
Don't
>> you have a bunch of cheapies?
>> Yeah. I mean, all our heavy equipment
now has been about
think.
>> Yeah, this one's gone.
>> Correct.
>> The Volvo loader is gone.
>> Yep.
>> It's now caterpillar.
[laughter]
>> Now what?
>> Caterpillar. Caterpillar.
>> Okay, that's done. All right. So, the
Volvo loader is out
>> and it's is it leased or is it we just
>> that was just
>> we don't have a loader period.
>> It was traded in actually, right?
>> Yes.
>> But let me ask you.
>> So, it was traded,
right? The backhoe and
>> the gater are leashed.
>> And the truck, the 10 wheeler is on a
lease.
>> This one just disappears in
>> the 550.
>> And the 550 is on
>> is on leash purchase. All right. So then
we have this uh Hitachi mini excavator.
Yeah,
>> that thing isn't supposedly going to be
um recommended year, but we have it
budgeted for 2033,
which is sooner than um it's
recommended. Talk to us about that one.
>> I think 10 years is good on that.
>> I think it should be 2033. That's a 20.
>> So, what we're saying is the lifespan
should not be 12 years, but 10 years.
>> 10.
>> Is that correct? I think so. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That machine's got 1,400 hours on
it right there. So,
>> it cools
broken.
>> Oh, it's broken. [laughter]
>> One of your favorite toys, right?
>> Are you getting It was a little
controversial when we bought it. We
getting good use out of it.
>> Oh, yeah. Thing runs about every day.
>> Every day.
>> Good. Good.
>> Every single day. It's Yeah, it's
another one. Yeah, [laughter]
>> he really wants another one.
>> No, you can't take it home with you at
the end of the day. [laughter] Police.
>> Sometimes he
>> Sometimes he pops it up at my house.
[laughter]
>> We're doing work on ballpark.
>> Um, just for kicks, let's see what our
friend here is thinking about that
thing. Which one is that?
>> Be the only
>> Yeah, but you see
>> Oh, I see what you say. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I have a problem with
>> I was trying to get in sync with Carryan
and Primex.
>> Gotcha.
>> These are all the Primex names.
>> Gotcha.
>> Oh, that's because it wasn't insured for
a while.
>> That's correct. [laughter]
>> I forgot about that.
>> You see that would be down here that's
not insured.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep. There it is.
>> But but I think we got it insured. I
hope
>> Bill.
>> Yeah, she has all the [clears throat]
info now. Yeah. Good. Okay.
All right. So, that's So, that's good.
And then what was Yeah, he thinks that
that thing is in excellent shape. Is
that true?
>> Should be.
>> Well, it helps. It only has the same one
or two operators
and they take really good care of it.
So, that helps. Yeah,
>> that's helpful.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. So, that one is good.
We don't have to worry about that one.
Ford tractor 1520.
That's actually cemeteries.
>> Yeah. Is that Yeah, that one is
cemetery, isn't it? That's the little
tractor. Yeah.
>> That's not highway. That's cemetery.
>> So, what we're going to do there is
going to make that guy a little boy
tractor 1520.
That's 17. If you want to know when the
septic system was put in
91.
>> Oh, really? That's when I got that?
>> Because that came with the pump truck
that came for mowing around the lagoons.
>> Gotcha.
>> Yeah. And that thing says we want to
budget it for 2028 to be replaced. Is
that true?
>> Yeah. I mean, it's still
>> So, the K Cabota actually replaced that.
>> Yes.
>> So, it must have gone to center. I was
always told
>> it went to some ways.
>> No, that was that was
listed to be uh for water sewer.
>> Mhm.
>> Actually sewer. And then when they start
then they started using it for the
sidewalks. Then they replaced with the K
Cabota and then it went to the uh
cemeteries because the Kabota was taking
care of mowing up.
>> That's fine. I know cemetery, but when
do we want to replace it?
>> Anybody got a clue?
>> 2020. That's not that far. Oh, that
should be all right till then, shouldn't
they?
>> That thing will last.
>> Yeah, [laughter]
we know that.
>> I would push it out at this point. I
push it out 2030.
>> Cemeteries use it for
>> Yeah, it's true. Yeah,
>> that wants to be
>> I mean, honestly, we use it and maintain
it more than they do.
>> Yeah. the 2030.
>> That's where I would set it at this
point.
>> I'm good with that.
[snorts]
>> Okay.
>> That was built with four Ford retoled,
so it's still a good quality.
>> That's one of the best pieces of
equipment in town owns.
>> And we have something called the whole
heavy hole trailer.
>> Yeah. And there's no way that's thing
needs a ton of work.
>> Oh, it does.
>> So, I won't even send that thing out of
town. Yeah, that's pretty much close to
being red tagged,
>> right?
>> Where where would that be on his list?
>> Heavy.
>> Heavy haul. The thing is
>> Yeah. He says it's very poor.
>> Yeah.
>> From trips hauling that 160.
>> Exactly.
>> Suspension work and wiring repair.
>> Yeah. And the suspension. And so we
brought that to 603. This is a side
note. And Robbie looked at it when he
run the VIN numbers. That thing comes up
as a boost.
And he's like, "Well, I'm looking at it.
It's not a goose neck." And you're like,
"Well, that number that's a goose neck
trailer." And it was bought brand new
paper.
>> So, we don't know.
>> We got this
>> because he couldn't find like to
actually buy the replacement and then we
ended up needing it. So, we took it
back. Um, guy come back. So, we figured
But yeah, it needs like a major overhaul
underneath. Yeah.
>> So, what do we want to do about that? I
>> think it needs to be replaced sooner
than later, for sure. Well, you have it
budgeted currently for 2031.
>> Yeah, there's no way.
>> No way.
>> No.
>> So, the heavy hole
>> unless we completely rebuild it, you
know.
>> Well, I guess that's always the
question, right? I mean,
>> is it worth Yeah.
>> I mean, we're currently expecting that
it's going to cost around 50,000. Is
that
>> Is that even reasonable now, Scott, to
replace that trailer? Is that's low,
ain't it?
>> No. The thing is though, if we get rid
of the esavator, you're not going to
need that big trailer,
>> right?
>> So you can downsize a little bit more to
like a tow deck or something to work
with all the time.
>> If you get rid of what?
>> The big excavator.
>> Big excavator.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz that trailer was never heavy enough
for hauling that big excavator. Could
have been a 30.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
>> So, was the big excavator somewhere else
on this list? You're saying it's going
to be recommended not to replace it?
>> We'll get to that later, but
>> we'll get to it later. But is that where
we're headed?
>> I don't know. So, they're trying to
figure out what kind of a trailer they
need and when they want to get it,
>> right?
>> I'd put 50. Leave the 50 in there for
now and see.
>> I think you can do I think you can buy
what you're what you will need.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You won't replace that one for 50 at
this point. You can buy what you need,
>> Brandon. You want to buy that when
>> it's
>> I would leave that where it is at the
moment. And then so we can get a
get some concrete figures as far as to
uh
>> what we need and get prices. Yeah. And
see exactly what's going to cost to
repair that.
>> Well, I would rather move up the
budgeted year if we're going to move up
the budgeted year.
>> We you should should leave it out in 31.
>> I want to leave it to 31.
>> The one we have putting enough money
away or recommending to push
>> and I would push that up to about 28.
>> Okay.
But okay,
>> fine.
>> Yeah. I mean, generally speaking, you
know, we want to put the most realistic
thing on the plan.
>> Yeah. And like I say, I don't know. Guy
has looked at it. I don't know
what portion of it needs all new posts
on that mount or if it's just bush and
sway bar, your adjustments that are worn
out on it.
>> Pretty much the hole underneath. He says
he needs all brakes, suspension work,
and wiring repair.
>> Wiring repair is on any trailer that's
used,
>> isn't it?
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> After I'm just saying and brakes, brakes
is routine maintenance. It's the
suspension
undercarriage as to
>> what the degree of wear factor is on
that as to whether you have to replace
the entire chair system or just needs
new new stabilizer links and bushings or
what.
>> All right. So, we're going to move that
to 2028 and leave it at 50,000. We'll
figure out what we want to do which kind
later. Right.
The army trailer. Trailer with welder.
Welder.
>> Yeah.
>> You know what that is?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, you do? Good.
>> Yeah. Sitting over. I've never used it.
>> All right. What's the story with that?
We think uh that guy. What's it used
for?
Was born in 1967.
[laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> Army surplus. Sometimes been here
through a lot of road agents, I believe.
Yeah.
>> Right. Does it still have a welder on
it? I believe so. Yeah, he knows more
about it than I do. I've never
>> It's all set to go. It welds. It
torches. I mean, the last time I think
the last time I used it, I'd
>> weld on the uh
compactor for the transfer station,
>> the bottom one.
>> So, we're budgeting that to be replaced
in 2033.
>> Is that reasonable
since you're the only one who uses it?
You're
>> Yeah, I'm looking at you. I mean, just I
don't even know if we're going to put
any money into the replacement thing. I
mean, yeah. Why should we use it? I
mean, basically, we back it in near the
shed and kind of keep it there for an
emergency thing. So, we can go offsite
while it's a stick welder on it. So, use
a generator, too.
>> Okay.
>> So, I mean, we kind of keep it around so
it's a good offsite thing. If we bust
something off site, at least we can
>> burn it back. railings, any of that
stuff, you can use utilize it for
>> the welder and the trailer to haul it,
but it's not a daily runner.
>> No, not
>> no. I mean, it's set up as a, you know,
it's got torches on it, welder. I don't
know. I'd actually put it in for for
replacement because it was the use isn't
there enough, right?
>> I mean, if the trailer ever went out,
just jack the welder in the back of the
truck and go.
>> Yeah.
>> 70. Is that it?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And it's in fair condition is what
guy saying.
>> Yeah. It's in good shape.
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah. It doesn't get cover
made for it and everything. Yeah.
>> Lovely.
So, thinking about it as 2033, that's
not a
>> Yeah.
>> All right. The hot box.
>> What's the story with that thing?
>> It was running today. Yeah. That's in
good shape still.
>> Yeah. 2039 is our recommended and
budgeted year for that.
>> I'd like to go way earlier than that and
drop to a three ton. So,
>> yeah,
>> we'll have to have an actual lady driver
driving it, but
>> yeah.
>> So, tell me what you want to do with the
Falcon Hotbox.
>> 2019.
>> I mean, we were looking around to see
what kind of trade he was with it. So
sooner the better.
>> Tell me your wish list. [laughter]
Tell me what you wish.
>> 28.
>> 2028.
>> I take 27. Really?
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Yeah. I was thinking 27.
>> What happens in 19?
>> And what happens to the old one?
>> We trade it in.
>> We trade it in.
>> And And what would be the trade in value
roughly?
>> Does that guy ever get back to us? He
never
>> 40,000 is the estimated cost. No trade
in is the way that thing is being
treated by
>> that should have a fairly high trade in
value.
>> Yeah, it's pretty being at that stage of
its life
and just give me a rough
kind of thing that you might be able to
get for it.
The two questions. The first question is
what might we get when we trade it in in
2028 and what would the new one cost
>> because it's not going to be the same.
It's going to be a step down is what I
just heard. Right.
>> Correct. A little bit smaller. Yeah.
Just to get us under that weight limit.
>> I don't think you're going to have a big
savings in cost because the components
that heat it are all going to be the
same. Okay. It's just going to be a
small it's going to be a smaller box on
>> just [clears throat] a lighter weight
chassis.
We'll
>> leave the cost.
>> I would leave the cost there for now. 38
to 45,000 on a trade in. So,
>> wow.
So, it's almost a swap,
>> but
>> that doesn't make sense.
>> He might have been 38 to 4500.
>> No, no, cuz the new one's 65.
>> Really?
>> There you go.
>> Okay. So, we got a
>> So, I would say I would say at that I
would expect to get at least 15.
>> I was going to say 15 to 20,000.
>> 15 to 20 on trade in.
>> But if you're going to do that, bump
that full replacement cost to what you
said.
>> Yeah. And the full replacement cost
would not be 40. It would be something
else altogether, which was what?
>> 60.
>> 60.
>> Okay.
And we want to push that in for 2028.
Okay,
good. A Rosco roller.
>> It's a vibratory roller.
>> Another oldie. Yeah.
>> What's the story with that guy?
>> Really doesn't get that much use.
>> 2032 budget use for it. Shouldn't be
used. [laughter]
>> Yeah,
>> that thing gets used all the time.
>> Yeah. Rolling gravel. what it really
used for.
>> Yeah,
>> but we're thinking about uh replacing it
in 2032.
>> Honestly,
>> yes.
>> 27
75,000.
>> We need a roll.
>> Oh, we do need a roll.
>> Let's just replace
that one.
>> Maybe 60. I mean, we can find a good one
for 50. But
>> argument I had with Chad
>> here again, same reason in En infield
were able to buy one. He says
>> hours you actually run it per year
>> you can [clears throat] rent them
>> and trade in value
>> and now it rains you can't run it
>> that's what we're always getting when we
rent it for 30 days
>> I'm sorry two good discussions go ahead
sorry
let's hear them both
>> we need a role even though it's not a
high hour usage per se as you some a lot
of the other equipment
It's one of those pieces of equipment
that you have to have it available on at
the moment you need it because a lot of
the work you do with them to plan on
renting them. Say you've got it lined up
to rent this week, weather change, it
rains all week, you can't use it. You
say, "Okay, can I bump it till next
week?" Oh, no. It's already rented for
next week.
>> I went through that Enfield that we
ended up We got a good buy on a lease
return and
because we bought for 38,000 delivered
to the shed
$150,000 roller
>> because it there's a lease return. But
the fact is it's there on any day that
you
come across a and you need it.
>> All the work that we did on the corner
by your house.
>> Yeah. that would be holding up so much
better if I role was able like instead
of that little roll that
[laughter]
I don't know I don't know 60 may not be
you know an out of the world process if
in fact I've been going back and forth
with the cat guy trying to get some
stuff scheduled the rent one and pricing
and I asked him about some you know like
the lease returns and stuff to say hey
you got anything coming up let's average
price on it so we plan for it a little
better
>> I got that one through down London area.
>> The lease
>> uh Tquip.
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah.
>> And I just happened to see it be there
at the right time.
>> Y
>> because they have a yard Florida and one
in London there. All right. So, the
we're going to plan on buying a new
Rosco roller in 2027
at $60,000.
Okay. And are we going to trade in the
other one or keep?
>> This other one's great as far as
sidewalk. Yeah,
>> sidewalk work for paving. Yeah, you you
need to keep that roll for small.
>> So, we're going to add a piece of the a
second.
>> This is an ad.
>> Oh, really?
>> That's why.
>> And that thing wouldn't be worth trade
in.
>> They're not going to give you anything
trade in but scrap price.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So,
>> and a lot of these driveway repairs that
we have to do and stuff. That's what you
need to get in and around and do a good
job. Okay.
>> If you want to put it in 27, you need a
quote.
>> Okay.
>> So, figure out what you want to do and
send us a quote on that.
>> Yep.
>> So, we have something included in 2027.
It's one of our old rules rules. Sorry.
>> We're doing it now. We got to get a
quote.
>> Yeah. Okay. Now, so I'm sorry. The
reason we want to do it in 27 isn't
because the one we have is is
failing, but it's because we want a a
better device.
>> Correct.
>> More useful.
>> Yeah.
>> Correct.
>> The correct.
>> So, they're talking about adding a piece
of
>> the correct tool. I hear you.
>> Yes.
>> Understand? When you add up all the all
the dollars, you could you could break
the bank. Don't know.
>> This this is a wish list, right? We do
our wish list.
>> Just so you guys know, right? I mean, we
take your wish list.
>> Yeah. And then at some point in time,
we're going to sit down and say, "Oh, we
can't afford these things
>> or whatever."
>> Yeah, it depends on what's voted in on
the budget side.
>> Well, yeah, there's a right. I mean, we
can put it in the plan and then go to
the town and say we need this much money
to buy a new thing.
>> There's going to be a recommendation
obviously for basic stuff, but then like
this thing might just be an ad. It have
to be a separate warrant,
>> right? to keep it to say, "Look, we
can't afford it right now unless the
town approves it."
>> Right.
>> Right. It was kind of like the mini
excavator. [laughter]
You know what I mean? It was a funky
thing. But
>> yeah,
>> but I get it. So that's fine.
>> Um the power screen
>> that's on the sale list.
>> It's on the sale list. So that's
disappearing.
>> Yep.
>> Right. Okay. Have to worry about that.
Be showing its age.
>> Yeah. I mean, no chunks of laundry.
>> We only used it a couple hours since
I've been here.
>> Yeah, we screen.
>> Well, because we closed the pit,
>> right? Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's right. That's That's
correct. That's all right. So, the uh
Mora Morbach Morbark shipper
>> chipper. Yeah.
>> Okay. We're thinking about replacing
that in 2034.
>> That reasonable?
>> I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't get
it's another like emergency piece of
equipment really right now.
>> Where is that on this crazy thing? What
seats?
>> Chipper. He's in good condition.
Nice.
>> Hudson six ton trailer.
Anybody know what that is?
>> Is that the green one?
>> That's the green one. Yeah.
>> It's actually five, but they get they've
always had it labeled in here. Six. 5
ton.
>> Yeah, I I actually double checked it the
other day when we were getting tires and
wheel and stuff for it.
>> It would be a 1000 GVW.
>> Okay. And um that's fine. Cost us
roughly 10 grand to replace that thing.
>> Uh
>> you're going to have to show up.
>> Yeah. A little late.
>> Yeah. Well, what's the number?
>> 15 probably.
>> 15. Yeah.
>> 15.
>> Okay. I was going to say because I just
did trail shopping [laughter]
>> and we think we want to replace that in
2030.
>> 2030. Y
>> say that's still in fairly good shape,
isn't it?
>> Yeah.
>> A handy little thing.
>> Oh god. Which one of these trailers is
this? Trailer trailer. Trailer. Trailer.
Jeez.
You [snorts] know, the funny thing is
when I sat down and said, "Well, show me
all the Primex things and what the
vehicles are, you know, and so they gave
me the Primex list. This is the Primex
items that I got, you know, you could
see them all there, you know,
>> and they said, [clears throat] well,
what they did was they took what was
ever on the title and that's what they
used for the name."
>> I think it's the one right there, 169.
>> It's one trailer. Yeah. 89.
that match up with this guy
last purchased 2006 this one. So it's a
little
>> Yeah, but it was purchased used.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay,
>> makes sense. Yeah.
>> All right. So, and that's fine way it is
or okay with that? Yep.
>> And then the hydraulic sweeper.
Any issues with that thing?
>> No.
>> 35?
>> No.
>> Oh, yeah. Brand new. We just bought it.
Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> And it's got a 10 year life. And
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. That should go at least 10 as long
as they don't run into anything.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
[laughter]
>> Then we have something called a plate
compactor.
>> Yep.
>> Um that's going to be replaced in 2035.
>> Yep.
>> Okay.
>> That one you've got, is that a
reversible?
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's a That's a
beautiful compact. Yeah.
>> All right. And then we have this mobile
vehicle list. This is something that and
the tire machine. Those are things that
guy had added.
>> He thinks uh he wants to replace the
vehicle lift
>> in 2026.
>> Is that happened already? Is it
happening?
>> No. Oh, yeah.
>> What do we want to do about that?
>> Make it happen. I'd like to see
[laughter] I would like to see it happen
because it takes three people to use the
one they have the one they have
functions but it takes three people to
>> Right. So it was in it was in the prior
plan.
>> It was there you can see that we were
supposed to purchase it this year.
>> It has not yet been purchased.
>> That's correct. Yeah.
>> Right. So uh that's up to you guys to
get that done.
>> Okay. I'll purchase that tomorrow.
[laughter]
>> Just as long as I get a PO sign for it.
Yeah.
>> He pretty much knows what he wants.
Yeah, like
>> either one next couple weeks we'll look
at like
>> yeah because I was going to have to that
purchase or what
>> month ago that it was budgeted for this
year and he wasn't
>> he hadn't got an exact answer if that
was a yes and I said it was budgeted for
this year.
>> Yeah.
>> Here's the thing. When I put the PO into
it, if the select board signs the PO,
>> there you go.
>> That will purchase. And they don't sign
it, we don't purchase it.
>> Most you can do is ask. Right.
>> Right. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> Absolutely.
>> And here again, there is a depending
where you go, there is a tradein value.
>> So yeah, that please
find that.
So, um, new highway equipment, which is
the what this would fall under. As of
the date that I got this thing, which
was on June 12,
uh, there was a $58,000
balance
sitting in that fund. [snorts] And part
of the reason for that was there was a
$50,000 ticket to purchase the mobile
list.
>> Yep.
>> Right. So theoretically the money's
there,
right? It was part of the plan.
So Mr. uh select board member should
make sure that that gets done.
>> Do we have a quote in hand?
>> Huh?
>> Do we have a quote in hand of the
purchase order?
>> I don't think we have a current one.
>> Got to get a current quote.
>> Well, I think that we don't I think that
that's mood at this point in time. And
I'll tell you why. because it was in the
plan for 2026 and we're looking forward.
So, anything we want to buy going
forward is what we really want.
>> I don't think the PO will float without
a quote though.
>> Well, that's
what I'm saying. Oh, it'll clearly the
PO will have the actual purchase cost on
it. That's
do not sign. I was going to say they
won't. Let me
>> I've tried. They don't sign [laughter]
around. Yeah. He's like
[laughter] zero.
>> I could see that we didn't have a quote
before. Yeah.
>> See the replacement cost zero. So I'm
going to put
>> That's why I asked about that.
>> The mobile lift I'm going to put a 50k
replacement cost
>> and honestly that's right around the
number 45 to 50 that we're looking at
when we kind of been looking at
>> and then for them. So when we do this
when we roll this whole program over 26
will be gone then that'll be 10 years
down the road
>> and 20 years down the road
>> that says 20 year less
>> right so it would be in 20 26 would be
the next replacement for that
>> and that'll depend primarily on the
quality of electronics because that's
the problem with this one. It's not the
hydraulic part of it is the electronics.
So
>> and we can't get parts
>> trying to get parts for them. We've
tried tried. Garren tried. Guys tried.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. But that's fine. So that's
good. Now we know you guys should get on
this.
>> Oh yeah. [laughter]
>> Let's go.
>> Well, there's a lot of stuff we need to
get on.
>> Well, why don't you get some more help?
>> Well, yeah. It's like I said, the water
sewer stuff.
>> I understand. And everybody's
>> I mean, we're getting hammered by the I
get it.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's kind of took priority. That's
why I haven't pushed a lot.
>> I understand.
>> I Oh, I got these vehicles to order,
too. And we got to get them audited, but
it's like
>> we got to get people water.
>> We're dumping some We're dumping so much
money into that, too.
>> The discouraging part about this water
sewer issue.
>> Yeah.
>> Is dees said nothing until we notified
dees
>> of the problems and this is what we're
doing. And now dees says, "Well, you
know, [laughter]
well,
why weren't they doing their job
before?"
>> Yeah. You know, I don't know the answer
to this one.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. That's a whole another thing, but
anyway. Yes.
>> Tire machine.
>> Yeah. That's been replaced.
>> Oh, it has. Yeah. That's 2025, right?
Yep.
>> Yeah. And so the next one is in uh
that's a 10 year life, so 20 35. Yep.
>> Yeah.
>> Yep. Okay.
Now, these are the lease. These are all
leased. Now, the all of these items here
>> are all on the lease deal.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Roadside mower.
>> Well, we got two.
>> We got two. Well, we got a boom mower
and a
>> Well, let's let's start with the Ford
number three truck.
>> Um, that was budgeted for 2026,
but now it's in 2027.
I don't know why I blew it to 26 to 27,
but No,
>> no, that's Be careful. In 27, you sell
the first year of lease payment. 27K.
It's a least
>> Yes, it's at least
that's actually number that's actually
number 12.
>> Yeah. Number three now. That's right.
Yes.
>> Say again.
>> Or
>> good truck.
>> Yeah. If it's the lease, it's the uh the
12.
>> It's actually number Yeah. truck number
12. No. Why would it say you purchased
2015?
>> Yeah, good question.
>> Because that was replaced actually.
>> That's the green truck.
That's the
>> Well, this is what um
>> so that this is Kianne thinking that
whatever this thing
>> that replaced that truck,
>> right?
>> Yes. The 550 replace the truck. Yeah.
>> All right. So, hang on a minute. So this
thing the four the thing we're calling
for number three one time is what?
>> It's actually Ford number 12
>> number three equals board.
>> It's actually a 550
>> number 12
>> and it's a 550
>> F 550.
>> Yeah. And um that was purchased when
>> right this spring.
>> See this is all screwed.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Towards the end of the winter cuz
we had it just before the end of the
winter.
>> January February
26. It was actually
>> No, we didn't plow with the 550.
>> I thought we plowed with the 350.
>> When was this?
>> I plowed with the 550 too. It's a new
way to put new tires on this year.
>> Ford number 12. When was it purchased?
When did it show up?
>> What year did it show up? February.
>> This year.
>> 2026.
>> This is a 2026
purchase. Year last purchase.
>> Right. And it's got a 10-year lifespan.
>> And so that'll roll these other things.
Yeah.
>> Down the road.
>> Yeah. I think what best carrying up was
we didn't recycle that number three.
>> Yeah. Because that truck is the one that
went to the ground. So we just kept it
as the number three truck.
>> That's that's the one that went to
cemeteries. The green Dodge.
>> So Ford number three that went to
cemetery,
>> right? It's actually a Dodge Ram number
three. But yeah.
>> Oh, well it's not a Ford number three.
It's a Dodge
>> number three.
>> And I think that's where she got
confused.
>> No, that's okay.
>> That's you know, look again.
>> Yeah, because that was a
>> Look at this thing. Do you see?
>> Oh, I know. I be moving parts. You
>> Yeah, I know.
>> Each year we get better.
>> Yeah.
>> And I have spoke to Bobby about what we
talk about putting ID numbers on
everything.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. We discussed that.
>> But we're not going to do it until we
get some of this water and sewer stuff
taken care of. Yeah. Just because of the
time factor.
>> Yeah. But yes, I've talked to him where
that we start with your trucks would be
like 200 2011
that and the next column would be where
it describes exactly what that
>> is. And then we get our numbers
>> Yeah.
>> which is what you guys had, right?
>> So the old way you could tell what year,
what month it came in and what year the
vehicle was
>> Yes.
>> That was the truck number.
>> That was the truck number.
>> Yeah. And I guess Bob Kushman changed
them to what they
>> and then the cruisers went to all that
and everything too. So we'll, you know,
over the next couple of years we get all
the string that
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a work in
progress.
>> Yeah.
>> So that's actually Zaj and that went to
Cemetery, too.
>> We're headed in the right direction.
>> Yeah. No, I mean Yeah. All right.
Western Star number seven. We're going
to replace that with a tandem. Mhm.
>> Uh we had it budgeted for 2027, but we
haven't even ordered that yet, right?
>> So, when do we want to replace that guy?
>> I thought you said this whole category
was
what you said at the beginning.
>> Jeez, you're so smart.
>> They keep talking about none of those
are on there.
>> The lease ones are not on here, right?
>> That seven and eight.
>> Yeah. And that roadside mo. Well, check
played around with trying to put the
roadside mower on the lease. Trying but
seven's not least. Eight's not least.
>> All right. So, these are not least.
>> The only thing that we've been approved
for, Scott, correct me if I'm wrong, is
we've been approved for the back, which
we currently have. And
>> the grater and the back are leased.
>> Those two leashed. Yeah. See,
>> the number the number nine.
>> Yeah.
>> Which will be the 10 wheel dump. That's
the one that's being built right now.
That's under the lease.
>> And that's going to go under lease 2020.
>> And that board
>> is the 550 which was under the lease.
>> And that's under a lease.
>> And those are the only four. We were
only approved for four pieces of
leased. I
>> So Hugh that roadside mower, the lease
one. Do we have it yet?
>> No, it actually was never even that was
never processed. No.
>> Yeah. So, we don't have it yet.
>> Well, 2027 is when we think we're going
to start.
>> Is the plan still to get it? I'm asking
you, is the plan still to get the
roadside mower next this coming year?
>> Not on a lease.
>> On a lease?
>> No.
>> No. Plans changed?
>> Changed? Yeah.
>> That was
that was a lease of like a 300 hour
lease and we would have been way over
that run that thing.
>> Well, excuse me. What was said at our
previous meeting here a couple few weeks
ago was if we were going to buy the same
kind of roadside mower, what was said
last year is they get beat up so badly
that we should lease it. But this year,
what we said here in meetings, somebody
said instead of buying the same kind of
roadside mower, they wanted to buy a
heavier duty piece of equipment with a
roadside mowing attachment.
>> Correct?
>> So, how do we make sense of all that?
Let's do this easy. We got the Ford 110
done.
>> Okay.
>> Now, the cat graater and the cat
backhoe. Both of these.
>> Those are both leased.
>> Those are both leased and already done.
>> Yes.
>> In here.
>> Yep.
>> Right. And we have them.
>> Yep.
>> Okay.
>> Excuse me.
>> In number nine.
>> Number nine is
>> And number nine.
>> That's the one that we should be taking
possession of within the next month,
month and a half.
>> Okay. So, the ones that are in question
are the uh number seven.
>> Yep. And number eight.
>> Number eight. And the roadside mower.
What's the story with that?
>> The roadside mower I would leave at that
200,000 because even if we purchase a
different piece of equipment
with a attachment to roadside, you're
still in that price range.
>> Well, the question is, are we going to
buy or are we going to lease?
Right now, the plan calls for a lease on
that.
>> We could probably with the state of
everything going, it might be the best
to do a lease purchase on that.
>> Yeah,
>> it was got numbers on but as purchases,
right?
>> Well, actually the cat one was we could
it doesn't matter. You could just
switch.
>> Yeah, we just go through the leasing.
>> That's correct.
>> Be the same pricing. We just
>> It's the same It's the same price for
the piece of equipment. It's your
payments.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. We'll have a new payment
schedule. That's all. But right now, we
have it scheduled for whatever this says
here, 29.
>> And those are right in line with
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
>> That you know, that's all dependent upon
interest rates at the time that you
lease
>> it. So, it's relatively var
>> because what we've been looking at,
>> the roadside mower is okay.
>> Yeah. Because what we've been looking at
is basically in that starting this first
year, right?
>> Yeah. I was just shocked at what just a
roadside mower that sits
>> all winter cost, you know? Oh, yeah. I
mean, I was amazed. It's like, well, we
could get something else that did more
than just
>> And is that coming now? Have we voted it
yet? Is that
>> No, no, but that's something that we
should be.
>> What's the lead time going to be?
>> There shouldn't be much lead time on
that. If we go the route that been
discussed,
>> lead time is going to be actually quite
short.
>> All right.
>> So, most of that equipment's already set
and somebody
>> 27 is okay.
>> These payments in 2027 is good. That's
what we're saying.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. All right. That's all we need to
know. So, now we just need to determine
the uh disposition of these two,
seven and eight.
Uh right now we were thinking about
starting a lease on the number seven in
2027.
Yeah.
>> Oh, actually
>> well, we got to be careful, too, because
we're playing out too many 10 wheelers.
So,
>> we had
>> our plan was we talked about having
three 10 wheelers
>> and then two
>> and two six wheelers.
>> Six wheels.
>> Yeah.
>> What I've heard today is a lot more than
three 10 wheelers. So something in the
BL year isn't
>> Well, that would make it three. The one
where we order one got to be ordered
this year would be the third one.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And those two, seven and eight would
actually be replaced as they are with
six wheelers.
>> Ah, those where I was coming from. If
what I read up there is correct, we
would have five 10 wheelers right now.
>> That's what I'm saying.
wise we got
>> and that's what I was saying and this is
we stepped up
the international is the next one to be
replaced so we'll replace that with a
10wheeler
>> that gives the third 10heer
two you can change to be replaced as six
wheelers
>> so the seven
wheel six wheelers
>> will be replaced in kind
>> okay
>> and when are they going to happen agree
with that
>> when
>> well what's the condition of number
seven that says number seven should be
starting the this coming year what's the
condition
>> god knows which one is number seven
>> which one is number seven I wish I knew
>> it's a 2018
>> that's going to be an SF 4700 SF one of
the 2018s I guess
>> good condition
>> they're both in good condition
>> both in good condition
>> right and so Um,
>> does he have any comments called Oh.
>> Oh, sorry, Claud.
>> Besides the good condition, the word
good, but does he have any comments?
>> No. No. No repairs.
>> He's got some comments. What is it?
>> Na.
>> Oh, question. Sorry. Got it.
>> Got it.
>> Yep.
>> So, when do we want to replace these?
>> Those just receive the
>> all the suspension. Suspensions. Yep.
So, you've got
>> Well, number seven says uh that it
wanted to be replaced in 2027.
>> Is that accurate? You couldn't get it in
that time frame.
>> No, no,
>> no. Those those are also just because
they're non tandemss, they're still
going to be two years out.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, to build.
>> Yeah.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. Because your equipment is
equipment is still the same.
>> So, we're thinking 2028 or 29.
>> Good. If it's in good condition, you
move it a year, right?
>> That's right. I'd put them 28 29
>> 28 29
>> 28 29.
>> What do you think he'll get?
>> He's singing. [laughter]
>> I mean, with the rear suspension just
replaced on them,
>> you should get a minimum three years out
of the suspension.
>> Yeah.
>> Just on the springs themselves.
>> Yeah. The only less than three years,
you need to do something about the
driver. You're right. That's for sure.
Now,
>> I used to average four years on sprints.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. So, we're going to push those
out to 28 and 29 as the year for those.
>> And at this point, I would not change
that number just because of your new
emissions cost and outfitting cost.
>> And it's almost it's almost just build
six, is it?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. I'm just out of curiosity, why did
we decide to go back to sixes instead of
all the tens that we had?
>> Well, because we're going to be at the
three. The goal was to have three
>> 10 wheelers in the fleet and two six
wheelers.
>> Okay. I think
>> replacing the international this
current.
>> We've got a new 10-wheeler on its way.
>> Y
>> replace the international with the to a
10-wheeler that puts three active 10
wheelers in the fleet. So those two
going to the bottom of the list become
still stay as six wheels.
>> Good. Yeah. Okay. That's fine by me.
>> Long as you guys have a plan.
>> Oh yeah.
>> It's good by me.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> The biggest thing is to get right now
with the amount of trucking
>> that needs to be done.
>> Mhm.
>> And it does the town cannot afford to
hire me or somebody else to do all that
trucking.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. say, "Yeah, because
you know exactly what it cost
>> because you know what you you charge."
So, yeah.
>> And the town can truck that for just
about half the cost of what it would
cost to have it
>> farmed out.
And the plow routs we have
that added material carried is what's
going to save time in the winter. But
the added traction of a 10wheeler
>> that was better than 10 wheelers. Yes.
>> Right. because of
>> longer roots.
>> Yeah, because of geographics of the
roots.
>> Okay. So, I think is there anything else
about highway equipment that we need to
be talking about? Basically, we got all
the changes changing and we're going to
be uh looking for one additional new
piece of equipment. Is that what I
>> Yes. And that's the funny thing is I
went through it and feel
to convince them that they need a roll
when rented one. These roads have never
been this good. Well, that's because we
were able to roll them with a 25 ton
compaction. Now you say this is what
we've got. We want to add it in. You
don't need that.
We just showed you that how much better
you response you get.
>> Something you just said I didn't just
didn't understand correctly. You said
something about the roads have never
been in this good of shape.
>> You thought it about Anfield.
>> Oh,
>> no. Even Kanan out here. We rented a
roll because we rented a roller. We
>> didn't last year.
>> I got shape of the
>> nether
and I went through it infield. You show
them the difference.
>> You roll how much difference it
>> how much difference it makes.
>> Yeah.
>> But then they still would not
plan to rent one within month to get
that fall grading set and the road set.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. That doesn't make a difference.
>> Yeah,
>> it's a hard justification because it's
something that sits half the year.
>> No, but as a taxpayer, I understand it.
Yeah,
>> we're going to put it out there.
>> But they also last forever that way,
too, because they're never in the salt.
They're never in the cold. They're just
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> All right. So, that's all the highway
junk. Um,
I don't really see it. You got anything
else on the highway other than what we
just discussed? I don't think so. We
miss anything? I don't like a boat or
tractor.
>> That's under sewer.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> And that's the question. It's like what
happens when that thing goes down? It's
like
>> Yeah.
>> It should be under
>> year that we do
>> I think that's I think that's supposed
to be replaced this year.
>> John always claimed it was supposed to
be.
>> I think I saw somewhere this year before
this year.
>> Yeah. because that thing's getting tired
like rusty from the fenders are getting
rusty.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And she's getting a workout right now.
So,
>> all right. So, yeah, we're going to have
to add cemetery thing and we're going to
have to add buildings and ground
>> building grounds vehicle. Yep.
>> To the CIP. That's fine. Any issues with
that? We can figure out we could ever
get somebody to do that.
Um
well my qu my question is on just on the
cemeteries. So it doesn't isn't just
cemeteries though. It's it's town
grounds work too. So I don't know how
you would call it because the cemeteries
trustees are going to go oh we got got
to pay for a truck. You know
>> this this is where years ago
>> Mhm.
>> that when things switched over so you
had cemeteries and
>> mowing.
>> Yeah.
>> This is where we ran by running the log
book.
>> Mhm.
>> Or the cemetery mowing and work
>> at the end of the year. If you take that
log book and you say, "Okay,
30% of their time and expense
>> was in cemeteries."
>> So the cemetery budget paid 30% of
>> Yeah.
>> which is we keep track of that now.
Yeah.
>> As far as their their
>> Barry last year was told he didn't need
to log his work. Well, here again, you
need to log it because part of that work
is being paid by perpetual care. Part of
it's being paid by the town
>> and
>> right
>> that whole group is part of another,
>> right?
>> So, you it has to be logged,
>> right? I just as far as is naming it on
the CIP, you know, I don't know if it's
fair just to call it cemeteries if it's
called because we already have a
buildings grounds. Can you have a
cemetery ground? I don't know. Well,
yeah. And I don't know. It's like, do we
just keep it all and then
>> Excuse me. Yeah.
>> We don't have a buildings grounds. We
just have a buildings category, right?
>> We talked earlier about moving that
vehicle to the buildings category.
>> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, yeah.
Okay. So, it's just building. Yes.
>> This one I agree with you. I'm not sure
you want to put it in cemetery.
>> Well, just you want to keep it in
highway and allocate it out based on a
log.
>> Yeah, we we could do that, too. I mean,
it doesn't matter. Yeah,
>> because you're right. cemetery trustees
might get upset about that.
>> Well, I mean, it might not seem right to
>> that that 1524
there that can be listed as cemeteries
because that's the only place that that
is used in.
>> Okay, fine. If it's Yeah,
>> but you the Dodge.
>> No, the Ford tractor.
>> The Ford tractor. We use that.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Well, it's only because Barry didn't do
anything with it. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, you see, I got two things. They
got we got the CIP thing which had
certain things then some things are
missing some.
>> Mhm.
>> And then mechanics report which you see
has um a cemetery thing. It's got
trailer and a mower deck.
>> Right. [snorts]
>> Right.
>> Should have actually two mowers.
>> See there you go. Right. Okay.
>> Well, so and here we go deeper into this
thing. Right. So
>> there's actually two X380s that are new
or a couple years old.
There's two old ones that we already
have. Now the town grounds guys are
using them.
>> And so really
>> well laying around and we don't
>> Excuse me. Excuse me. You um I thought I
remembered the cemetery mowers were
under the CIP threshold for dollars.
>> So we can but I don't think you carry
them on CIP.
>> Probably the only one that wouldn't be
would be the zeroturn
>> and that's not cemeteries.
>> No, that's not cemetery. That's towns.
Yeah. So is that over 10,000?
>> So what do you have?
>> I think so. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's probably you're probably
closer to 30.
>> Yeah.
>> For which the zero turn mower. A whole
different Yeah.
>> It's a whole different
>> We're on cemetery.
>> Where is that?
>> Which one is that? Something called the
X380 with mower deck.
>> No.
>> No.
>> Those are two ride mowers and you have a
dollar amount or what? 3725 up. They're
not CIP.
>> No, that's the uh insured amount I
believe.
>> So there's actually two of them.
you. There's two. So,
>> you only need those are about what they
are.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're probably about four
grand.
>> So, there's another one of these, right?
>> Well, nowhere yet, but
>> sure.
>> Oh my god.
>> And then you have a mower jack. You have
two mower. Two of these, right? Is that
what you're telling me?
>> There's two of those.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Yep. And those are 20
threes.
>> Yeah, they for me.
>> This seems to think that they're 28.
>> You got them because Eddie and I went
and got them.
>> The original ones might have been 28.
>> Original ones are probably
>> And where are they?
>> Those are the ground guys now.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz we put a bunch of money in just it
was a bunch of little not a bunch. So
what you're telling me is we have a ex
[clears throat]
we got two of these and you think that
these are in grounds now?
>> No.
>> No,
>> those are in cemeteries.
>> Those are in cemeteries.
>> That year that year they're go they're
in grounds now
>> for cemeteries. That year is what? 23 I
think. 23. 23 year. No may have been 24.
bring a 24 to go get them because I
think it was when
>> just before I started
>> and just before you started because Dale
wasn't here
>> and uh Kerian had me go get them or
because I knew the guy had black metal.
>> Okay.
>> So I went and got one and I had to get
>> So these are the new ones and they're in
cemetery.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> I want to say my check was like 4,500
bucks or close to 500. Then we have new
ones that are where
we have some old ones that are doing
>> on the grounds. Well, Mason have well
sewer has one now.
>> Yeah.
>> And then those guys got one parked out
back that they can use
>> for the downtown stuff.
>> So I think at 2018 is the original one.
>> Probably the original. Yeah. And and so
the this is a mechanics report
>> because the zeroturn is like a 2012 2014
I think some guy somewhere around there
when guy was looking parts for it.
>> Good.
>> Yeah, that's probably due to be
replaced.
>> Two new ones. We have two new MOS,
right? The cemeteries.
>> Which are those? Should be those. Yeah,
>> which should be these. And what do they
cost roughly? Just
>> what' you say? Uh, I want to say that
check I went out there with was right
around 4500 bucks. Five grand.
>> Oh, so cheap. So, oh, each each.
>> So, about 5,000 each.
>> Yeah, that's I think it was right around
five because cuz I had to get one check
and then I had to wait for it to clear
>> and then I had to send Eddie up two
weeks later.
>> Oh, I know. I know.
>> So, this is not a CIP issue. This is get
him on the mechanic.
>> Yeah. And then
>> I do believe that zero turn would be a
CIP.
>> Oh, that's
>> now that's it.
>> Where is that?
>> That is
>> grounds. Yeah, grounds department. They
use that grounds category.
>> Right. Right.
>> We've never seen
>> I haven't seen it on here. CIP.
>> Never. Not in the 10 years I've been
>> I'm going to put that on the general
government administration.
>> How many we have?
>> Just one.
>> One.
>> I don't know if did cemeteries
originally buy that. I mean, I wouldn't
think they would buy it for I think it
would have been some sort of grounds
deal.
>> What's that called?
>> It's a zeroturn mower, which is
>> it's a commercial mower. The other two
are just like riding lawnmowers. Yeah.
Right.
>> And um we think that that was
>> 2012. You said somewhere around there. I
think
>> 2013 because guy just ordered pirates
for it. Yeah. Do you think that's what
they got there?
>> 2013.
>> Maybe it's old. I don't know.
>> David
>> David.
>> And what do those things cost?
>> What do those things cost?
>> Because of the
>> Yeah. Because
>> Yeah. No. Fine.
>> So that was a while ago then. Yeah. So
that'd be about right if David Heath was
here.
>> David Heath was here when they because
he did not want anything to do with
running it. Mhm.
>> Yeah. It's not cheapo depot. That
thing's probably 18 to 20 grand anyways.
>> It's definitely CIP. [clears throat]
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. So, we're going to put down 20
because they got that that's got the
vacuum system and everything and
everything on it included it and you're
probably closer to 2530 m
>> because I don't know why they got the
vacuum system on it with
>> a mulching head
gets rid of everything anyway.
I think the only
>> So we have a that's really being used.
Where's that being used? [clears throat]
>> Uh grounds.
>> Yeah, government uh town grounds, not
cemeteries. Yeah,
>> because I think the only cemetery they
could even use in it would be Wells
Annex,
>> the part that isn't that there's no
stones in here.
>> M,
>> right? Yeah.
>> And they don't truck it up here just for
that. They just do it with the mowers
under there.
>> Okay. And you think that that was born
in 13
>> getting around on the comments.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right.
>> And see what is this? This is in this
purchased. We think it was purchased in
13 or
>> Yeah.
>> 12 or 13.
>> Something was ringing.
>> David Heath was here. It was a
>> David Heath was still here.
>> Way before that. I mean, I've had so
many numbers in my head.
>> That's okay. No problem. And
>> I'd say it's due for replacement,
though.
>> But it is. Oh, she's tired.
Okay.
>> Concerning that it wasn't in CP that
wasn't even on
CP's
never been anywhere in the CIB radar,
>> right? Yeah.
>> Nobody ever told us about it.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's still
>> just keep digging.
[laughter]
>> The purchase price of that in 2012
might have been lower enough.
>> Hey threshold threshold was also lower.
We just decreased it to 10 last year. So
it probably Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Because I believe when that was bought,
you're looking with the accessories they
got that was probably in that $78,000.
>> And that would have cleared the
threshold back then.
>> It should have been on CIB and it
wasn't.
>> Nothing uncommon.
>> Whatever.
>> Sad though. It's
>> all right. So that's the end of Highway
Cemetery grounds. We can't think of
anything else. right at the moment?
>> Nope.
>> Okay, good work. Okay, so now uh road
reconstruction plan. Oh jeez, this is
something Bob really loves. [laughter]
>> Who's in charge of roads around here?
>> Do you I know that you and uh uh Chad
did a great job
>> putting together this this last year.
Mhm. Nothing's really changed. Like the
the the roads that are in the worst
shape are still the ones in the worst
shape.
>> Yeah.
>> Um Bearpond Road partially paved where
>> I I think they were talking about the
other end.
>> Bear Pond Road is Talbert Hill,
>> right? I know. But remember it used to
be on the route four and that used to be
called Bear Pond too.
>> Yeah. Well, it used to go all the way
through,
>> right? Yeah. I can remember driving all
the way through.
>> Right. Yeah.
>> Um but that's Hall Road,
>> right? Exactly. So I'm wondering if that
ain't what they're talking about because
it's just that paved apron.
>> So Bull Road is not ours.
>> Yeah. Bull Road's a private road. I
don't know.
>> So what I would like to do, Bob, is uh
I'll extract what this is.
>> Yep.
>> And send it to you.
>> Yep. Absolutely. And over, you know, the
next several weeks, whenever you get a
chance, you know, you can take a look at
it, see what needs to be
>> updated. Is that fair?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you and I, we can do
a lot of it right at a desk.
>> You don't have a car pond because we see
see a lot of roads.
>> And then there's all the uh paved
>> roads and when things were supposed to
be going for that.
>> Yeah. A lot of this was taken off the
website when they had some sort of
committee do it and I found a lot of
differences.
>> Well, this, you know, it's a good start.
>> Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
>> The cleaning board had a couple of
members,
>> right,
>> that went out
>> y
>> and brought back this whole lot of this.
And I told him, I says, you know, it's
wonderful that they wanted to have that
ambition and go do it,
>> but they never spoke to anybody at the
highway end to get a direction
on some of this. They did it all on
their own.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you end up with that crossover
>> and difference of opinions as far as
condition. Well, this is, you know, I
mean, in Canaan, we have um lots of
little groups that go off and do things
on their own.
>> And one of the things that, and you
know, the economic development community
is trying to do is talk to these people
and say, "What are you doing?"
>> And then when we find synergy, we try to
get them to work together. That's how we
started the cyborg project.
>> Yes. Right. With the friends of Kanan
Village. I mean, so we need to get these
splinter groups.
>> Yeah. And that that's just an attack on
the board.
>> We have we have a lot of rogue Yeah.
>> rogue groups.
>> Yeah, I know.
>> You know what I mean?
>> But I think having having a uh an
inventory,
>> which was what basically went this So
I'd like to add to what you just said
though because being on the pling board,
I I knew what those two guys did.
>> When they started their effort, there
was no inventory in this town.
>> Oh, I believe it. Yeah.
>> Whatsoever. Those two guys spent
hundreds of hours of their own time. Oh,
absolutely.
>> To create an inventory.
>> They knew it would have it would require
to be kept up from year to year to year.
At that time, it was when Bob Kushman
left.
>> He was and then he left
>> and then there was nobody for a while.
My point is their intention was to they
let me finish please. They wanted to
create an inventory and turn it over to
you.
>> Yep. Yep.
>> Which is what we did. Y own it. Y
>> and if if you find differences, fix it.
>> It's on the tunnel. That's what we've
been doing.
>> Change it. It's yours.
>> That was their only intent was to create
an inventory where nothing existed.
>> You They did talk to Kushman, but then
he left
>> just to correct. They were trying to get
something up.
>> Yeah, that was
>> they created inventory, but the
intention was not to keep it in some
splinter group, but to create it, save
the highway department all that time.
Yeah. They volunteered their own time
and their intention was turn over to you
and you should keep it up,
>> which is what we find things.
>> Yeah. This is exactly the problem is we
have groups that go do just do things
>> some groups. Yeah. But not that those
get inventory.
>> What they should have done frankly is
they should have said we think we need
an inventory and then they should have
gone to the head of the highway
department or the town man. You should
start with the town administrator. They
did. They did. They went to the town.
>> And then the town administrator should
talk to the highway people or the roads
people and say,
>> "Is it what are we going to How do we do
this?" Let them go. I mean,
>> I'm not I'm
80% right.
>> Oh, no. It was It was It was close.
Yeah.
>> I'll I'll send this to you,
>> right?
>> Yes. Yeah, please do. And then when you
get a chance to update it, you can
update it because
>> frankly this now gets published in the
annual
>> report, right?
>> And so the um the Canaan citizens get a
look at it and they say
>> they haven't made Wait a minute. Wait a
minute. Wait a minute. Why is not being
paid? [laughter]
>> So they so they can have, you know, they
could come and talk to you about you
think this is going to be okay for the
next 20 years. No, it's not.
>> Yeah. I absolutely stick back to how
they can get some feedback.
>> Yep.
>> You know, because we want to be
transparent. We want to have everybody
>> that's impacted know what's going on and
that way they can, you know, be directed
to the right place
>> to get something accomplished.
>> Yep. Absolutely.
>> So, I'll I'll send this off to you. I'll
extract it, send it off to you, and you
can
>> Yep.
>> probably the next several weeks because
I have any uh
>> When's our next highway meeting?
>> Oh, I don't think you have one. I think
we're done. Okay. Um
>> with you guys. Uh at some point in time,
if I can get some support from the uh
town administration to update, take
responsibility for this doc for this
program.
>> Mh.
>> Which Jack has uh asked Stephen to
>> sit down with me and go over. Yep.
>> You know, where we're going to get the
support for this.
>> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Um
so because we can't do it,
>> right? It's not something that it's not
something we should be doing frankly.
>> There you go. That's more important. Not
only
>> you know this should be a townmaintained
document.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Uh then they can ultimately it can be
theoretically if it's done properly be
distributed to you guys like I could
have sent you theoretically.
>> I could have sent you somebody should
have sent you this
>> right all of this stuff.
>> Yeah. I got last year's. Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? Right. I say
[clears throat]
>> right. Yeah.
>> The problem I would like to get Go
ahead. Sorry, Scott. Sorry.
>> The problem I'm having
with the backlash for wanting somebody
in the town doing this.
>> This isn't a weekly, monthly,
>> right? We're sit here, you write down
the changes we need made,
give them the sheet once a year has to
be updated. Actually, that wouldn't
work. I don't think my experience from
August through October for those three
months, it should be
>> Scott. You see this?
>> Yeah. This is the changes that should be
made to a year.
>> Yeah. But my point being, but we're not
talking something that is a yearong,
monthly.
>> Oh, no. It's not year long. You're
right. But it's not a year. Once a year
we go through you write down the changes
that need to be made and that needs to
be and if we could get I don't know what
they require for time but we get done a
meeting you print out the changes that
section gets upgraded it's not a matter
you go okay section by
an ambulance yeah
>> yeah see there it is sent off to guy
that I was told to send it off to. I
sent it to you guys
>> with a copy to uh you know, whoever was
going to do something about it, right?
So, it's been sent. It's been done the
last
>> and I I understand
I'm just going to go on the record now.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Because I you know, I'm not happy to
tell about this.
Um but on um
sent I was told by Jack
to work with Aiden
to get this done
and I sent it to Aiden and uh Aiden
basically wrote back to me and
said great uh I'll find the actual
document Jack
that's got a lot of stupid documents I
told that writes my emails. Um,
Satie tells me, "You send too many
emails." I said, "Oh, because I'm trying
to get information or ask questions."
You put um but anyway, so here it is.
This is it. Okay. So, I sent off to
Aiden um a note face because Jack said,
"Go deal with Aiden."
Um and I sent him a note and I said,
"Here's all the changes that I need to
make
uh to these documents." And Aiden uh
wrote back
um and Aiden said to me, "I should still
be here on the 28th. I'll make sure to
update as needed and send back the
updated files. Thank you for being so
understanding. Hope you enjoy your
vacation."
And that was on the 14th.
>> And then um you know, I wrote back,
"Well, great. I have a CIP meeting
scheduled for today. You'll be available
either Thursday or Friday." Mhm.
>> in the afternoons to, you know, go over
the changes, the new changes that I
have.
>> Well, I didn't get the old changes, but
that's not Aiden's fault
>> cuz he's being directed by someone
>> and it's not him. He doesn't set his
priorities.
>> Yeah.
>> Although Jack said deal with him,
>> right?
>> Yeah. So, when you talk about
communication,
>> it ain't working.
>> Okay.
So, we need to get people on the same
page around this town or, you know,
we're going to have issues that are not
going to work. And frankly, when I get
to be the chair of the budget committee
coming up starting on the 8th, if I'm
not getting the support that we need at
the CIP, I'm going to wonder why we're
paying any of the people that are
supposed to be supporting. It's the
money that we're paying.
[clears throat]
>> We'll see how that works out. I don't
want to go there, but if I have to go
there, I will go there. But anyway, so
I'm not blaming Aiden by any stretch.
>> No, I know. I know exactly. Yeah.
>> Yeah. He's doing his job. He's got
>> Jack knows.
>> I know. Everybody knows.
>> Jack's working on it.
>> I understand.
>> But Jack's here two days a week and it's
the other the other three days that's
been the problem.
>> I understand. That's another question
that I have. Maybe you don't need All
right. Let's not um All right. So, we're
done with that.
>> Thank you, Agenda. Yeah.
>> Um we have any other business? I have
another business from carry forward from
a previous meeting. I think at the last
meeting we did bridges.
>> Yes.
>> And I asked the question when we said we
were going to set up they were going to
set up some sort of a a line of credit
rolling to pay for
>> done
>> to take care wait a minute at that time
when we had that discussion I asked how
much money was in the account.
>> I said how much money is in the bridge
reserve account? The answer I got at the
meeting was like 50 or 60K, some low
number. And I said, "Wait a minute. That
doesn't sound right to me."
>> It is higher than that.
>> Let me finish.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm just recapping.
>> Sure.
>> I said, "That doesn't sound right to
me." Well, I went home and I found this
that we got from Carrie
>> on June 30th.
>> Yeah.
>> And there should be a little over
$200,000 in that account.
>> Correct.
>> That's what I wanted to bring up.
>> There you go. Right. Good. All right. I
just wanted to be sure we knew that it
wasn't the low number that was quoted at
the last meeting. I don't know why,
>> but all right. As long as we re
>> it's higher than what we were quoted,
right?
>> But it's still too low for what we're
doing.
>> We still we need I understand we need we
still have a cash flow issue. Well, we
should be starting with 203,000, not 50.
>> Okay. All right.
>> And with regards, we also talked about
bridges and locations.
>> Yeah.
Just this morning, I was finally able
to get into the state's website for the
bridge listings
because for some reason since our last
meeting, I have been trying a couple
times a week and I could not get into
the bridge uh listing for report.
>> All the state websites are so hard to
navigate
>> today. Well, today because
I went in, I took one of the bridge
numbers.
>> Mhm.
>> And I went to that and bang, it opened
up the whole
>> But it doesn't tell you that's what you
need to do.
>> But when I go to that website, it won't
open up,
>> right? Yeah, that's what I mean.
>> So, I basically back doored it to get
in. Well,
>> that's good that you got in. Did you? I
got in and
>> the one that I cannot I've got to get
look up the numbers that the numbers on
the Larry Bond because they do not have
all of our bridges
listed in the reports that we have
numbers for.
>> Oh, so I've got to punch in some of
those numbers and try to get back into
some of those reports.
>> That's good.
>> Have you been up to see Larry Pond?
>> I have not. Okay. Yeah. I just Yeah,
>> I have not been up.
>> I mean, I understand why they wanted an
engineering. I get it, you know, why
they want that, but it's just Yeah.
>> All right. So, any other business?
All right. The next meeting then is
scheduled for September 9. Same time and
place.
>> What is it?
>> September 9th.
>> No, no. What What What's on the agenda?
>> What's on the agenda?
>> It's not [laughter] water.
It's not anything public. I was just
wondering.
>> No, I I I got to do something.
I'm just trying to get my I know like
out of the six I got to be at four of
them. [laughter]
>> Oh, which is fine. I just I don't want
to I don't want to not be here if I'm
supposed to be [laughter]
>> transfer station, sewer, and water.
>> You got those all three of my babies.
Yeah.
>> Okay. Now, those are interesting because
they're not actually part of the um CIP
formal.
>> Um
>> yeah, we said we would go to the site
want, you know, take a look at it just
in case there's something comes up.
>> Yeah.
>> So hopefully it won't.
>> But some of the equipment must be in the
CIP, right?
>> No, never.
>> Oh, it never has been, but it should.
No, not no
>> water and sew in the past. This might
change. She might be changing but in the
past we were always told
>> that water and sewer was selfunded by
user payments
>> enterprise
>> by user. It was enterprise fund funded
by users not by the town not by CIP.
That's why gotcha.
>> Well now that might
>> we had this discussion last year that
some of this stuff we're going to have
to look at because
>> change that right
>> over time. Yeah. Yeah, ultimately the
town is responsible for the
>> That's why it has never been on CIP,
>> right? Building is not the town is
responsible town money.
>> So if you can't get it through the
funding for the actual, you know, income
business,
>> it's a town liability, right?
>> And we want to make sure that we're all
aware that we have a liability here.
>> Whether or not we're going to have to,
you know, live up to it or not, it's
another story.
>> But we should know that it's a
possibility. See back when this whole
>> that's why we decided to look at
>> when this whole sewer system came to be
>> at that time
it was stated by the state and feds. The
infrastructure
was to be supported paid for by the
taxpayer. The operations of the system
was to be covered by the users
>> because it is a townowned
>> infrastructure. So it was the response
as time has progressed and not just
Kanan municipalities as a whole have
tried to push all of the cost
onto the users.
>> Right?
>> And it [clears throat] does not have to
be that way. The last project I worked
on was one-third funded by the user,
one-third by grants, one-third by tax
dollars.
>> So there are many ways of funding it,
but municipalities as a whole
[clears throat] have tried to push the
total cost onto the users.
>> It keeps it out of the operating budget.
If we had
>> cuz we're only operating that sewer
plant up there is only operating at
about 45% capacity.
>> Mhm.
>> If we were at say 75 80% capacity
level
>> it could be user funded
>> primarily. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So the issue is I mean as you know
we have hopefully um as I understand it
the um SKO
preservation valley preservation crowd
has put in or is in the process of
putting in a bid on the trade yet?
>> Yes.
>> Has it happened yet? They haven't talked
it yet. I don't think he's seen it yet.
>> I don't we have not seen the dollar
>> offer we received
>> from the RFP we put out. We receive that
they do have
we received the official letter from
them that they are interested in
>> Yeah. So that's good. So that's one
thing. And then as you know we're in
conversation with uh the CIA holdings
craft.
>> I was going to ask you how that was
going to buy the log cabin.
>> I do not have it firsthand.
I was just told this morning that Thomas
Hershey and Company has purchased Barker
Steel building.
>> Well, who could property?
>> Who purchased it?
>> Hercy's. Tom Hersy.
>> H great.
>> I have not seen Tom ask him to get
firsthand.
>> I don't know if it's been closed on yet
or not. I do know when the I talked to
him here five, six months ago, he had
made an offer on it. What? And what's he
gonna do with it? You don't know.
>> Well, but he's gonna pay taxes on it.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Look, here the taxes on
>> Oh, I know. Yeah.
>> That was an old property that and
they're a big company. They
>> And I'm sure Tom did not put in a bid
without something already in mind.
>> Yeah.
>> In the works.
>> Could you um I would like to talk to him
about what he's doing. Oh, somehow if
you get me.
>> Yeah. From economic development
committee point of view. Yeah. Yeah.
That's
>> 2527150.
>> Yeah,
that's what it
>> And what's his name? Get Hershey.
Hershey.
H E R S E Y.
And that's the Ber building.
Has anybody heard anything about the
Mason moving in storage there or
whatever the hell that building is? as
complex.
>> Of course, that's Watts Regulators. What
>> regulator originally? Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. 2527150
home.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, as I understand,
they are still in the process of trying
to figure out
storage boxes in there with no names, no
information on them as to who they
belong to.
>> Oh, yeah.
Really?
>> Yeah, that's not uncommon.
>> There was funny because I got that
message yesterday.
>> Wow.
>> So, I wonder if that's has something to
do with that, but it won't because it's
a state road.
There was a uh legal notice put out
back February or so
that Custom Moving in Storage had been
hired to try to find the owners of the
boxes, storage boxes of goods still in
that building.
>> Yeah.
>> That were put in there and all markings
removed.
I don't know if I understand the notes.
We should
>> I think we should close the CIP meeting.
We could continue.
>> What was this? Yeah.
>> Um, are we done with CIP agenda?
>> Uh, we done with the CIP agenda. Yeah.
Other than adjournment, I don't have a
motion.
>> I make a motion we adjourn. [laughter]
>> I'll give a second.
>> All right. All those in favor? I
>> I Thank you, Monica. Killis.
>> Gotcha.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. Night.