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with liberty and justice for all.
Is there anyone here for public comment?
Rache Cochran, for the record.
Just a couple of things.
The last meeting that I was here, I put in a few requests,
one for the audit to go online, one for the financials and stuff.
And I didn't know, it's not on the agenda,
so I didn't know if that was something that you guys were going to discuss
or if it was just something that I shared that I'd like to see
and we're just going to move on from that.
The other thing I didn't think to mention last week had to do with the owl
and the fact that the meetings for quite some time now have been interrupted.
Either the owl is not working for the sound
or it doesn't record in play during meetings, such as the last meeting.
It wasn't running for the first, I don't know what it was, half hour, hour.
So I'm just wondering, I know we've had somebody who has experience,
Larry Baker from the zoning board has offered help and everything,
so I'm just wondering if we're going to have maybe a policy or a manual or something
on how we can get this owl working consistently for the public to see, you know, remotely.
So that's pretty much what I wanted to follow up on.
Can anyone help?
I have something to say.
Take your name, please.
Diane Rothaford.
I'm a resident on Jones Road whose property value, at the most recent value, doesn't look good,
according to another Jones Road resident who happens to be a state rep.
Not to mention any names, of course.
That's okay.
Without actually accusing me of being unethical, she did.
A state rep insinuating in an open public meeting and ministerial employee of doing something
not quite ethical is not a good look for said state rep.
Her words, not mine.
For the record, the assessed value on my property has gone up a substantial amount
since I purchased it in 2015.
Insinuating I did something unethical and compromised my integrity in an open public meeting
and spreading untruths, at the very least, is hopefully unfair and at most slanderous.
This is not the first time that said resident has questioned my work ethic and integrity
in an open public meeting without my presence.
Is that ethical?
In my past life, it was required of my position to attend ethics classes.
Not because I was unethical, but because it teaches one to recognize when someone or something
is not ethical.
You cannot teach ethics.
One either has it or one doesn't.
I have it.
I have a code of ethics I live by.
I am not the only employee of this town who has had to endure the wrath of this resident.
The reason behind such bitterness and malicious behavior is unclear to me.
What is the main goal of this resident?
Please do share.
So the goal can be achieved quickly and the end of the nonsense and the grandstanding
and the wasted time chasing down, I'm sorry, I have to write it, I'm sorry, something that
is not there, like corruption, fraud, and out-of-control spending.
Never really quite said out loud, but definitely implied.
The phrase, it's not what I meant, it came out wrong, it's old and frankly just words with
no meaning.
One should either choose their inferences and innuendos more carefully or choose not to
say anything and at all until complete truth and background is available, unless you are
seeking plausible deniability.
This is my statement, my perspective, and I will not engage in out-of-control conversation.
I am not here to spend my position as I have not been deceitful or disreputable.
I do expect, however, a sincere apology, both written and verbal, in an open public meeting.
I would also expect that trying to disparage an employee without due cause and a public meeting
never happen again.
Thank you.
I did, last meeting, come in and talk about the assessed values.
I did not ever accuse an employee of any wrongdoing.
In fact, what I did say there is that I did not accuse her of anything.
I don't believe that she did anything nefarious.
I said it's not a good look for the town when the employee of the town is the only one who
had a substantial tax decrease at that meeting.
So I did not say, I was not slanderous.
I did not accuse her of wrongdoing or anything else.
So I have the ability through public comment to be able to respond and I want that on the
record that that's not what I do.
I have the ability to respond to.
Excuse me.
I'm not going to do that.
I'm not.
We're all set.
I would like the opportunity to talk with you privately about it.
I would not.
Okay.
Anyone else?
All right.
Public comments are closed.
DEA regarding House Champion Award.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Then I'll hear you.
You're out.
I'm cutting for some questions.
Are you ready?
Yep.
All right.
JT.
Oh, and since JT is here, he is meeting with the school on Tuesday for, because we're switching
over to YouTube and the animal.
Okay.
All right.
So last meeting, we talked about me going to look for vans.
So I did find a van at a Merchants Auto, and we brought it in.
Mike took a look at it.
He said it looks pretty fantastic.
I think you guys would agree.
So this one is the actual van that we're looking at.
These are two other options.
Basically, it's a 2016.
It was used to transport people from a Marriott Hotel to the Chicago airport.
So it's got 2,500 miles.
That's 2,500 miles.
So for 31,000.
Everything else at that mileage or anything like that is closer to 60.
So I was coming here looking for the board's approval to purchase said van.
How many miles does it have on it?
2,500.
This one?
Yep.
I didn't believe it either.
2,500?
I didn't believe it either.
I thought you said 250,000.
No, no, no, no.
Oh, gosh.
Yeah.
2016 is only 200.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The only thing it is is updated electronically, but it is in pretty pristine condition.
So just to remind everyone, the funds would be coming out of the revolving fund, which is where we've taken the motion.
Is that approved to tell me?
Yeah.
I believe capital assets have to be approved by the town.
Excuse me.
Public comments are done.
So much for transparency, Iris.
I'll make a motion to purchase the van for the recreation department for, is it 31?
31-809.
31-809.
From Merchants Auto.
So you want to put the funding in the warrant?
It says.
In the motion.
The funding would come out of the parks and recreation revolving account and the YS special projects.
And the YS special projects account.
Do I have a second?
I'll second it.
All in favor?
Before, I know in my past life, whenever we bought a vehicle, it was always done, like Mr. Buss has said, that we always sought approval at the town meeting.
How is this different?
Because we're not asking taxpayers for funding.
Because we're taking the money out of, we're not using taxpayer dollars, we're using dollars that they raised.
Right.
Same with the fire truck.
The fire truck is funded.
You have to take out a...
The fire truck was, yeah, not the taxpayer dollars.
That was just for the first payment, other than that, coming out of taxes.
Which is why it had to be on the air.
It's a capital asset that has to be approved at town meeting.
Okay, we have a motion in a second.
Do I have a vote?
Yeah, all in favor?
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
I'll introduce my crew here.
My name's Andrew Dorsett.
Sorry.
My name's Andrew Dorsett.
I'm with the BDA, the New Hampshire Business and Economic Affairs Department, and I'm the director of the Office of Housing and Infrastructure Development.
Underneath our office is a couple of, our few housing programs of Best New Hampshire, which was a hundred million dollar effort to help create some solutions to the housing crisis.
That was put into effect back in 2022, and we were able to team up with municipalities and do a number of different programs.
One was the Municipal Per Unit Program, which we, I think, did about $12.9 million in grants to municipalities that permitted affordable housing projects quickly.
We also did a demolition program that helped communities clear life in that community or create green spaces or other aspects that would help support affordable housing or just housing in general in their town.
So they could create parking lots, partner with developers to do environmental mitigation of mills, and that we're going to be turned into affordable housing or mixed-use programs.
We also did a capital program that worked directly with developers to help provide gap financing for affordable housing projects throughout New Hampshire, and that was interesting.
Our largest project was, I think, was 500 units.
Smallest was four, so we really did the whole gamut, helping seasoned developers right down to first-time developers.
An emergency room doctor, for example, him and his wife were talking, and he was saying how his babysitter and the guy that cuts his hair and the kid's teacher all were saying they couldn't find housing up in Littleton, New Hampshire.
And so they took their credit card and took out a loan, and they maxed out everything and started building 12 units in their community and tried to solve the problem themselves until they ran out of money.
And so we came in and just gave a little bit for them to be able to finish, and, you know, 12 people and, you know, 12 families that have homes there on that small project.
But overall, that program was able to create about or assist in the creation of about 4,700 units over the past three years.
And one other component of the program was the Housing Opportunity Program, which helped communities to think about development in housing
and started to have a community dialogue to think about what kind of housing and development that was right for that community.
Because our program, we didn't want one-size-fits-all, you know, a hammer to come down and tell you what the thing can do.
So during that process, a lot of communities started stepping up, looking at their ordinances, making different changes, thinking about their infrastructure
and how they could get ready for the type of housing and development that they would like to see.
And so out of that program came the Housing Champions Program.
And so Leanne Monaghan, she's our Housing Champion.
We'd like to, you know, pretend she's got some kind of a wrestling award on her shoulder.
But as she's been out working with communities, I think you guys are a great example of a community that's been working with us.
And I'll let Leanne take it from here.
Thank you.
So I just want to start by saying congratulations to Hillsborough for being one of 10 Housing Champion communities in our second round.
We have a total of 28 communities in the state that are Housing Champions.
18 was in the first round and 10 in the second round.
Again, Hillsborough was one.
I'm going to just very briefly tell you what Housing Champion is.
It was a partnership between the state and municipalities to reach out to communities of the willing that recognize the need for housing throughout the state and in their community
and take a look at their ordinances and be open and housing-friendly by having ordinances that didn't exclude affordable housing but, you know, looked at their housing.
There was nothing, like Andrew said, it wasn't like directing you have to have these ordinances.
It was kind of an a la carte.
You could look at your ordinances and pick and choose what fit in your community that would help alleviate some of the housing crisis.
It also wanted communities to look at their planning and zoning boards and make sure they were trained and understood the value of housing
and how their ordinances should be crafted, maybe take a look at their master plan through the help of the HOP grant,
which he said those funds came out of the ARPA funds that helped communities get this application in, and lastly to look at your infrastructure and see where you might need water, sewer, or transportation.
And those communities that did step up in the first round anyway and became housing champions, then there was grant funding available.
We had $5 million that was available from the state that was directly to communities, not to developers, different than the program that Andrew spoke about that went right to different communities to help with infrastructure.
So in the first round in 2004, we did spend or award $5 million to seven communities in New Hampshire.
Now, the 10 communities that came in in 2025, they did not approve more funding for this program in the last budget.
But we are hopeful that in the future now that you are a housing champion, you'll be in line that if there are future funds available for infrastructure, that you'll be allowed to apply for those funds.
But in the meantime, we have looked at other ways that housing champion communities like yourself can benefit from being a housing champion.
And we've partnered with agencies like DOT, like DES, and they have made it part of their grant process for the Clean Water State Revolving Loan Fund.
So that it's actually part of that grant, if you're a housing champion, you get 10 extra points on their program.
DOT is looking at accelerating permitting for communities that are housing champions.
DNCR as well is looking at adding it to their grant programs.
So that's a way of kind of partnering with agencies to help communities that are looking to adjust housing.
And so we're very proud and happy to be partnering with Hillsboro as one of our smaller communities to be willing to be a champion.
So congratulations.
Do we have any of our officials?
I think we have any recs here.
Three of us.
I'm sorry, I didn't have to miss that.
Do we like to speak at Peyton or Jim?
Oh, no, I'm just, congratulations, that's all I want to say.
Great job.
Thank you.
Yep, I agree.
And we also have Margaret here from New Hampshire, Margaret Barnes, Municipal, New Hampshire, Municipal Association.
You got it.
Well, thank you.
I'm Margaret Burns, I'm the Executive Director of the New Hampshire Municipal Association,
and I wanted to come here this evening to congratulate you on achieving Housing Champion status.
The Housing Champions Program is a beautiful partnership between the state and local government
to address a statewide issue, to address housing.
And it does it through incentivizing municipalities to make choices locally that work best for them.
And really what the town of Hillsborough and all the Housing Champions have done is exemplify that local options
and local government can get things done when it comes to housing development and other issues statewide.
So congratulations.
Thank you for being a stellar municipality and for going for this Housing Champions designation.
It's not easy to achieve.
And this was one of the programs that NHMA advocated very hard for, including continued funding for the program.
And so while the program wasn't funded in the current biennial budget, I really applaud the BEA
for finding other creative ways to reward communities who have achieved this status.
And NHMA will continue to advocate for funding for issues like housing and others.
So thank you for having me.
Thank you for listening, and congratulations.
We would like to, if we have a plaque, we would like to get a photo with the board.
If we can just take a minute to do that with the, is that okay?
If we take a minute to do a board.
The whole board or just the chair?
The whole board.
I mean, I didn't sign it.
I don't know if your chair or your planning board is here.
I mean, no, our planning board is here.
I mean, however you like it, yeah.
Margaret, come back here.
No, no, no.
Can you get all the work?
Thank you.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
If you can't see the camera, we can't see you.
Do you mind if I jump in one?
Yeah, jump in.
All right.
Happy reuniting.
Thank you.
You got that?
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Sorry about my best.
That's okay.
Beautiful.
Okay.
I'm with BEA, too.
This is Lorna, our media expert.
There we go.
Do you want one with the front of it?
I'm trying to get it turned around.
Oh, there we go.
Beautiful.
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All right.
The next item on the agenda is Deputy Treasurer, James, here to meet you.
So this is James Ainsworth.
I sent the board an email regarding the processing with three deputies, and there were three individuals
who were interested in it, and in speaking with Gail Crimmins, who is the treasurer, about
the three.
One of them took themselves out of it because his schedule wasn't going to jive with what
we need in, and Mr. Ainsworth, not the vicar, and so this is the board, Iris Campbell is the
chairman, Rich Pelletier, and James Baker.
Nice meeting you.
Relative newcomer to the town of Hillsborough, we moved in in May of 2022.
We escaped the wilds of Connecticut to live free and maybe die a lot later.
Just really enjoyed the time we spent here as vacationers, but always pined for the opportunity
to be a full-time player in the land of good nature and really wonderful people.
We've enjoyed our stay in the town of Hillsborough.
I was looking for a way to provide a little bit of my expertise, whatever might be needed,
to assist in this capacity as deputy treasurer.
So I look forward to the opportunity to serve whenever duty calls, and further my education
in the town's operation and its finances.
So thank you.
So I would leave the motion to approve the appointment.
I make a motion to approve the appointment of James Ainsworth as a deputy treasurer.
Do I have a second?
Second.
And this is for a one-year term?
For a one-year term.
All in favor?
Aye.
Delegation of authority for the West Main Street sidewalk project.
Robin has been the LPA person for the sidewalk project, and there is some paperwork that's coming
forward that requires certificate authority, which the board is well-versed in it because
most of our grants have that, so I'm requesting that the board make this motion, which I'll ask
you to read, and pass it, and then have the chairman sign the certificate authority.
To make a motion to grant the authority to the planning director to sign and execute any and
all documentation and to implement activity on behalf of the town of Oldsboro Business and
Transportation Alternatives Program and Highway Safety Improvement Funding for the purpose of
the West Main Street sidewalk project.
Do I have a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
My hand doesn't shake too much.
It's still cold.
I make a motion to approve the minutes of April 8th.
Do I have a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
I make a motion to approve the consent agenda for April 22nd.
Do I have a second?
I second it.
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Thank you.
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Thank you.
I make a motion to accept the manifest through April 22nd.
Do I have a second?
Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It is, it is listed on the consent agenda.
It is listed on the consent agenda, but there's been a change in the bank and we're not sure
if they want it to be a separate motion in the minutes.
So I'm asking that you do that to sign that paperwork.
And I make a motion to make a motion to make a motion and I make a motion to make a motion and do I have a motion to sign the paperwork in anticipation of a tax anticipation note.
Do I have a second?
Second.
All in favor? Aye.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
All in favor.
Do you want us to wait for you, Jim?
No, go ahead.
Okay, go ahead.
I just want to explain a little of what I gave you in your box packets.
Rich, at the last meeting, you wanted to see a listing of taxes by year?
Correct.
So that is this paper?
Yep.
The warrant numbers that are on the left of the paper, anything with an L, those have been leaned.
And the years are in the years, and the years are right there.
Yep.
I just want to make sure that's what you were looking for.
Yeah, that was what I was looking for, that's right there, that's just a summary, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
So the bottom line is that we have to make up all these tax dollars at the end of the year, right?
Because we're anticipating getting the whole amount in.
If we don't, then that money is going to come from somewhere, correct?
It comes from them eventually when we collect it.
That's true, but I mean...
We can't go out in and...
No, no, no.
What I mean is, when we set out the tax bills, we'll say, nice even numbers, we'll say between the school and the town, we need $2 million, okay?
And most of that comes from this, I would say.
It comes from the tax bill.
Yeah.
Yep.
And if we only collect, instead of collecting $2 million, we only collect $1,900,000.
That other $100,000 would have to come from somewhere, because our bills are going to have to give the school their money, and our bills, and that comes up to $2 million.
So we would need that $100,000 to come up from somewhere.
That would be the money that we have in our capital reserve.
Where does that money come from?
Where does that other $100,000?
I know we've got to do this before.
So it really, it comes from the taxes when they pay it.
We can't...
So we have bills this year.
I know.
That's why we have tax anticipation notes if we need it.
If not, we...
Our finance director is very good at, especially when it's time to send the tax bills out, talking with schools.
Sometimes the school will take a partial payment.
Sometimes we can hold bills aside, but it's kind of a rolling number.
Because if all our bills were due at once...
Correct.
And we got all our bills in, but we didn't get all the money in, then we would take out the tax anticipation notes.
Okay.
But at the end of our fiscal year, we have to pay all of the bills for that year.
And if we don't have...
Again, the example that I gave, that $2 million that we needed to pay the bills between the school and the town,
and if we only get $1,900,000, that other $100,000 would come from a tax anticipation note?
If we didn't have any funds to pay it, yes.
But now, you have to remember, we have a fund balance.
It's not 100%.
But so that...
We don't pull from the fund balance and put it towards something that hasn't been approved at town meeting.
No, granted.
But if you have money in your account that you can't spend, it's still in your account, and it's a rolling number.
Correct.
You know, in a perfect world, if we got all the revenues in, we got all our expenses in, we paid everything, that sum of money would be there.
Correct.
But to say that, you know, we don't have $2 million that just sits there because of this.
No, no, no.
No, I mean...
But if we don't have the money, then we have to take out the tax anticipation note.
And then when the taxes start to be paid again, we pay off that note.
But that tax anticipation...
I remember a couple of years ago, we were really, really short on money.
And that's when we had that tax anticipation note.
Yep.
And that wasn't because...
That wasn't because...
We didn't get the tax revenue in it.
It was because it was before the date that the new...
Because our tax revenue is based on basically two dates, December and June.
During the rest of the year, we hardly get any money in, I would imagine.
Right.
Well, we get...
Yeah, we get...
We get a little bit, but most of it is...
But those are the big, big times.
But if our expenses exceed that amount that comes in in June, that's when we use the tax anticipation note.
And we have to pay it back.
Right.
Okay.
I'm sorry, I have all these questions.
Some of them we've probably asked before, but we have other money.
We have, like, a million or two million dollars sitting in one of our accounts.
Correct?
Don't we have the...
First, you have to specify what accounts you're talking about before I...
Because I don't know what you mean by...
Okay.
We have...
Remember when we were doing a budget, and we were talking about buying...
First year payment on the fire truck, and I said we could take that $140,000 out of...
The capital reserve fund.
Capital reserve fund.
Yep.
That capital reserve fund is used for what?
Fire equipment.
That's the...
They have a capital reserve fund just for fire equipment.
But don't we have a capital reserve fund for the town as well?
Like a large one?
No, don't we have...
I thought we have...
You mean our undesignated fund fund?
Un-designated fund fund.
That's what I was just talking about.
Yes.
Yes.
What do we use that for?
We can only use that for whatever we request the voters approve to use it for.
So we don't make it...
We don't use that for a shortfall in our...
If there's...
We don't use...
We can't take from it and not replace it, let's just say.
So it's not that we physically take from it.
If we've collected more money than we needed in a year, which we can't bill more than we need,
so we don't...
It's just a matter of we've...
It's been a good year.
People have paid their taxes on time.
We've gotten all the money we need.
Well, we're really not using that.
But if there's...
If part of that money is in our account, it floats us in a way.
Okay.
But I want to be careful in the wording I use, because as we see a town meeting,
it's called a rainy day fund, or you dip into it, because that's not really what happened.
So, in other words, in the example that I used,
where we need $2 million to run to town and to school for the year,
and we only collect $1.9 million.
That other $100,000 would not be taken from the undesignated fund balance.
We would not borrow from that or use that money.
We can't borrow from it.
But if it's sitting in our account, it's just a rolling number,
because every day we're putting money in the bank.
So, it's not in the bank saying, okay, this much of what's in your bank is from the undesignated fund balance.
That's not how it's labeled.
Okay, we just have money.
We know that this is the amount that we can't spend.
If we had everything in a perfect world, we would have this extra $2 million right there,
and we can't spend that on anything.
We can't go out and purchase a building.
No, I understand that.
I understand that it's undesignated,
and we don't have the authority to spend it.
The only people who have authority to spend it would be the taxpayers at town meeting.
Or, if the board chose to put some of it toward reducing property tax.
And that does not mean where we found it.
But I shouldn't mention that.
That comes into all of the discussions.
So, getting back to the question that I had,
if we needed that $100,000, where would it come from?
If we didn't have money in the bank, that's how we would know we would need it.
Then it would come from the tax anticipation.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I also gave you a preliminary schedule for the West Main Street sidewalk project.
I think that pre-construction meeting is probably going to be sometime next week.
We don't have the date and time yet.
Let's have that.
If there's anyone who wants to attend, I'll send that out to the board.
If there's at least two of you that want to attend, I need to post that.
So, it's going to be...
It's going to be...
I take that back, not next week.
Next week's not May 4th.
The week of May 4th, it's going to be that week.
But I highlighted preliminary, so there wouldn't be any misunderstanding on that.
I also gave you a copy of the expenses and revenues.
Something was mentioned at the last meeting, and it had been brought to me previously by a resident who thought I should know what was being said in public.
But the board looks at expenses every meeting.
You sign off on all the expenses every meeting.
I did give you, through March, I did give you the revenues.
What was mentioned at the last meeting is somebody wanted to see that you review them in a meeting.
And that's why I wanted to point it out that you do in every meeting.
And, no, the board hadn't said that at the time, which I understand why.
Those are all payments that the board has approved.
I sent you an update via email with regard to the penny property.
The barn is gone.
It's been a lot of drama, and we're still dealing with that.
But they did an excellent job, very professional.
The property, it was wet because of the rain we have had.
And the property owner called DES, three different individuals at DES, called EPA.
The recent one I dealt with was elderly services.
That's a whole story.
But it's down.
Loan has been put down to repair where the trucks damaged the lawn.
And some crushed gravel was put down, partially where the barn was, so that he could put his cars that had been in the barn on that crushed gravel.
So it was very nicely done, very quick.
By the time they started, demolition was Monday.
It's done now.
So we assured everyone that we were called on us.
We gave them the inspection reports on the structure.
We gave them the court order.
We gave them everything we had.
So we'll continue to do that.
So we have been, Mr. Rutherford's company, has generously donated.
They had some extra office furniture.
So asked if we would like it.
So we are going to be picking up a couple of desks, a couple of file cabinets, a couple of accessories, tables.
That we have some old furniture here that we'd like to replace.
And we are not, it's being donated to us.
And we thank you.
There's a crew heading there on Friday to Manchester.
And also in anticipation, we're waiting for Jeremy to get the pricing for the board to take a look at.
And what we have discussed with this room in changing the town office so that we can provide more safety between staff and residents,
especially after the altercation that took place.
And we've been talking about it for years over, I don't think it was even the summer, it was in the fall.
So that will definitely come in handy at that time.
We could use it now.
Thank you.
You guys are off to play.
I also gave you a Woods-Willamil progress report.
I was at Woods-Willamil today.
Went from the Department of Labor, which were adhering to Woods-Willamil this birthday.
And they thought that was a good day to bring the Environmental Service Commissioner down.
And we had explained the project to him, and he looked around, but it was a great project.
And DES does this progress report, and it outlines the funding, which is really pretty cool to see on paper.
But in that project is going to be set to be completed by the end of this year, by the fall.
So that's pretty exciting.
And there will be an opportunity if anybody wants to help out with plantings again.
And the last thing is, I've gotten a request from the police union to start negotiations.
So I would ask for a selector representative.
We don't have to do that right now.
We haven't set a date.
But if there's...
Between the three of you, any of you who were just dying...
I don't think Iris has been on the negotiation team yet.
Jim has for a couple of them.
Rich was on last year, or last round.
I'm not...
I'm just suggesting that you may want to find Jim or Rich might want to do it, too.
I just can't believe it's been three years since the last one.
I know.
Since it was just yesterday.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah.
And one of the things I spoke to the chief about is the police union has not had the rep from Boston the last couple times.
And I'd like to try, and I ran this by the chief to find out what his opinion was.
I'm not sure that we need to have our attorney there initially.
You know, if we run into any questions or something, I don't know how the board feels.
But it's a costly venture, and there really hasn't been a lot of items that were stickled.
I think I was the one holding out for one of the names last time, and the other, Rich and the chief, and the attorney, like, Laura.
That's what you're going to battle on.
And I'm like, yes, it's not right.
But, so, I don't know how you feel about that.
If there's anything that we question the legalities of, or...
We could still refer to the attorney, but do we need to have them at the table for...
Because sometimes it's just set the ground rules, it's the initial one, and then do the dates.
Do we really need...
The ground rules are the same every time we meet.
And then to initially see what they're looking for.
Do we need the attorney to pay the attorney to drive here, to sit there in that, or what do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I went through two of them.
The first one was with the rep from Massachusetts, and we definitely needed one there.
Yeah, with him.
And then after that, I felt the next one was, because they didn't have that rep.
They did it themselves, whoever was very reasonable.
And I think it was, in our best interest, everything went smoothly.
And then when you did the next one...
The rep wasn't there either.
That rep wasn't there.
But, you know, the police have come.
They don't ask outrageous demands.
And I think, if...
I mean, if they come in with something that we don't understand, of course we should talk to our lawyer.
But other than that, I don't know if we need it at this point, you know?
Yeah.
The only thing is, they're trained at these meetings, well, they talk, they know how to present our point of view, because they're trained to do that.
We don't have that training.
That's the only thing that I would say, that it's good to have them.
Because if you remember, when we meet with them, it's usually our attorney that speaks.
We talk, we, you know, but we come up with opposition, and the attorney is the one who presents it.
And they present it in such a way that it's, I don't know, soothing.
And they have a presence that I don't, I'm not so sure we would, if it was discussed.
I could see that with the employee union, because, and it's not the employee, so they don't say two words when they're there.
It's the representative from that union, who's always there.
She's retired now, but she had a protege at the last time, and so I'm not sure what to accept from that person.
I would, yeah, I would definitely...
But if they have one hand, then we definitely want to bring our attorney on.
If they don't, we try it.
You know, we're giving up a little bit, but it costs a lot, so.
Yeah, and maybe just start it and then see where it goes from there.
Yeah.
Something different.
But with the employee union, because they always have a rep there.
I would say definitely.
I know last time we didn't do this, but should we talk as a group to come up with what...
the board will accept as an agreement.
You know, for instance, if they're looking for 8%, I'm just throwing a number out, and we agree that we're not willing to go above 4,
then our representative knows that we have a number that we're looking for to go either 2 or lower.
because that's what we used to do.
Because that's what we used to do at the school.
We would practice beforehand and come up with this is our max that we're willing to go.
So that when you go into negotiations, you know what that is.
Should we do that?
I mean, it doesn't hurt when it comes to, like, cost of living, all the other things.
You don't know.
Yeah, you won't know until we reach an agreement and then it gets brought to the board.
Correct.
But at least cost of living.
Well, if there's anything else that we're looking for, for concessions on, and I don't know what those are, if anything,
but would it be helpful for us to do that?
I think it's always helpful, especially for the board rep.
Right.
To have.
I'm pointing to Iris.
I'm pointing to Iris.
Not to the board rep.
She would probably appreciate that.
I would.
Definitely.
Yeah, and then we have, we try to make some changes that we find that's difficult to work with, you know,
in the whole scheme of everyday life with payroll and stuff and changes to the contracts on those types of things.
But, and they don't always go through, because sometimes the little things are the sticking parts.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Well, if we do decide to meet, maybe we should, maybe the chief should be at the meeting as well.
Did you do that in a non-public?
That's a non-meeting.
It's not even a non-public.
It's just a non-
I was in a non-meeting.
Well, only if you have an attorney, the attorney, if you're meeting with the attorney.
But if you're talking, if you're doing negotiations, you're talking about negotiations.
I thought it was a.
It's a non, there could be a non-public.
Okay, it could be a non-public.
Yeah, every time we did it with the school, it was with the attorney.
And then it became a non-meeting.
If the attorney has to be there, then we can't.
Well, you can still have, I mean, you can have the attorney there for that meeting.
But why?
We're not going to have them for the negotiation.
Why have them for that?
True.
Whatever we want.
You can write your number on the paper and slide it down.
The nice part about this is that we're not dealing with huge numbers.
You know, with the school, you had the teachers, you had a lot of people, there's a lot of high salaries, so the numbers are big.
Here, we don't have that many.
We only get, what, 18?
Yeah.
And the salaries aren't huge.
And there's only so many things to negotiate in that, you know, we have the benefits, insurance, and stuff like that.
It was the cell phone that was we went through the last time.
I was holding out for that dispatch cell phone thing.
Yeah.
It was a phone number, but it was the principal.
The principal, yes.
We could schedule that as a work session, couldn't we?
Oh, absolutely.
Or if it's non-public, then it would have to be a non-public work session.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you just open a public meeting and go into non-public.
We could do that other than a night.
Would that be done other than a day that we have to have a meeting?
Or do you want to do it?
Whenever you want.
Okay.
It's not going to be...
Yeah.
We could do it at the end of the meeting.
Yeah.
Or if you want to start another day, I don't care.
My whole day's free.
I'm retired, so...
I'll probably be able to make it.
Okay.
When does that start?
I just got the request, so I don't know when...
All right.
So when it gets close, we'll schedule it.
I mean, do we need to deal with this?
No, I can schedule that meeting.
Normally, so that's...
Normally, I meet with a taxpayer ahead of time.
Okay.
But I could certainly set up that request for non-public with the board at the next meeting.
Okay.
That's what they want.
Who do you need, Laura?
I was just going to go give this mission.
I think they went outside.
Thank you.
They're ready for you.
You guys are off the...
Are you guys on set?
No.
Good evening.
Good evening.
Well, is this new device here?
It is.
Does it work late?
It's got you on it right now.
I don't know.
Things are moving up and down.
The lines are going up and down, so...
I don't have a text message.
I'm just going to call you something else.
So we're here to talk about a few different items.
And I think Dave is going to start.
We have two more.
Oh, I need one more.
So this...
The first sheet here you see is a screenshot from the cover of our sewer asset management plan.
And it shows the scene that we're looking at next.
And the red indicates it's the worst of the worst on the sewer portion.
So you can see it comes down church and then takes an easterly bend towards School Street on Myrtle.
And then these smaller blocks are in yellow and they're nothing great either.
As far as sewer goes.
Which is how you worded in it, don't you?
Yeah.
Well, a lot of these are cracked of vitrified clay pipe.
So they have a joint every three feet or so.
And they're leaking a lot of groundwater into our system.
And that's what our goal is, to try to get rid of that instead of conveying that and treating it down at our plant.
So the following sheet shows two scenarios.
We've got, if you look on the top row, it says Scenario A and B on the right.
And Scenario A and B only includes for Church Street down the Myrtle.
And then a brief leg over to the stream there from a stormwater perspective.
Because we expect that the stormwater will probably need to be treated and then discharge of that.
What's the name of that stream?
Mott Ashbrook.
Mott Ashbrook.
Which is on Myrtle Street Extension.
As you go down the hill to a highway barn.
That's where probably the stormwater would have to be released.
So now looking at Scenario A, that's only those two streets.
There's other side streets there.
But this evaluation does not consider the 3,750 linear feet.
Only the 2,000 feet required for Church Street and Myrtle.
So now when you flip to the third sheet.
And it's an Excel spreadsheet.
And on the left-hand side of the sheet is the town's projected costs and contributions.
And on the right is Hillsborough Water and Sewer Commission's costs and contributions.
On the far left-hand column, you'll see dates extending from 2025 to 2030.
And I included an inflation factor of 4% per year.
And then you can see it's compounded every year.
You just keep adding on to it.
Because inflation will eat away at our project.
That's the nature of these projects.
So you'll see a blue-colored column under the town category.
It says annual capital reserve fund.
So I started off with $370,000 and then increased it to arrive at, if you'll look in the yellow column,
this is the cost to replace the drainage and roadway elements that are owned by the town.
Now, on the left, you also see a box.
So I tried to match up that accumulated contribution with the projected cost.
So they're more or less equal.
They're off by like $3,000, you can see.
Likewise, I did it the same for the Water and Sewer Commission for the Water and Sewer Elements.
And you can see it's a little bit less.
Going up to the cost per, if you look in the far left-hand column, you'll see a cost per linear foot.
This was obtained from the cost from the Woodmore Park project.
It's not quite yet completed, but substantially completed.
And you can see the unit cost for the construction portion of it.
And that's $307.54 for a drain.
Roadways, $363 even.
Water is $310.45.
And sewers, $315.85.
And I use those, and that's how we kind of rolled into developing this table.
I've got notes on the bottom here.
So the park construction bid in 2025 was used to establish these costs.
The accumulated capital reserve does not assume any interest.
So when you save it, I'm sure you're going to get some interest from whoever you bank with.
And then third, it doesn't include any sort of stormwater asset management plan.
Right now, I think, Laura, I think I sent you something recently, maybe a month ago.
Right now, there's a plan if you – let me back up.
There's a funding source from the state.
It actually uses APA funds, but it's called the Clean Water SRF.
And it uses – it takes EPA funds, and you can use them for stormwater or sewer.
But right now, there's kind of a grant program whereby you can have your sewer asset management plan done.
But DES picks your consultant.
So you just get assigned a consultant, but you need to file a pre-application by, I think, the end of May.
In our experience, for the sewer portion that we've done previously, it's not that intensive.
So right now –
So what would be the benefit of having their stormwater asset management done?
What would that provide?
Well, it would help, at least for this next project, to know the capacity of the downstream stormwater components.
And future projects.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
Sure.
As a consultant looks at the – you know, what street you're working on, they'd have an analysis of what's there or what's not there as far as stormwater is concerned.
Because right now, I don't think anybody really knows what you have, to be honest.
Or the condition.
Right.
Right.
Right.
So we need to do this by the end of the next month?
Can we apply for it?
Yes.
Yes.
Is it the intent to apply?
Pardon me?
The intent to apply?
No.
It's called the pre-application.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
But that asset management plan is a lot less intensive than the one that we have prepared for the sewer system,
which costs significantly more than what you would even anticipate.
You would have to consider for stormwater, which is much less intensive, just by the nature of the water.
Mm-hmm.
Do we have a capital reserve fund already?
We have the credit.
Well, first of all, the years would have to move because there's no way we could put money in for 2026.
That's right.
I developed this in December.
That was before the anticipation and test the patient before we have a back.
That's okay.
So anyway, I'll touch on the end of the end, too.
Oh, yeah.
Over on the, for each category, the town and the Hillsborough Water Sword Commission, on the respective right-hand columns,
you'll see two rows of $44,125.
So what that represents, we're going to split it half and half.
But for the first year, that would be roughly $88,000, and that would get us a concept going.
We found one for the Whittemore Park.
Once you have an actual plan going, DDS is really interested in helping you a lot.
But until you get something on paper to show them, they're not.
Every year, we've been applying for the SRF programs, and one of the criteria is, well, have you started in design work?
So that's why we thought we put that up, but because it has to be done sooner or later anyhow.
So we're going to continue to put the money away, and I guess the timing of the next project is going to be dependent upon your funding schedule, in a sense.
Because typically they take, what, three years to, from design and construction, design to construction, and permitting.
Actually, we got held up permitting for Whittemore Park for a couple months, maybe three, four months.
And that was actually the stormwater aspect.
So we're going to do the same thing with this project as we did with the Whittemore project,
as we're going to offer the people that are living there the opportunity to connect their sump pumps to this pipe that's going to be used.
Well, we're going to install the same, you know, a stormwater system that will provide them with a place to put that water,
which is what we did on Whittemore Street.
But we're still waiting for you folks to come up with the funding plan,
or however you were going to help the folks to make that connection,
whether it was going to be paid off, you know, in their tax bill over time, or how that was going to work.
Because I think that was one of the things you folks are going to develop, was how you wanted to do that.
We want to make an effort, now that all the infrastructure is in place,
to get those folks who do have sump pumps to connect to that system.
Because right now they aren't connected.
It's run to the edge of the road, and they need to make that connection.
So if their sump pump was going in the sewer before the project,
it may still be going in the sewer.
So we're, you know, that's something that you folks would have to figure out how you want to address that.
It would be done similar to a betterment assessment.
But we need to find out.
We need to finalize that.
Well, we need to find out, I mean, who's going to, I'm assuming some of them are going to want to make payments,
paying it out up front.
Well, I mean, at this point, all we can really do is, you know.
Have them come to us.
Is tell them that they need to do this.
Yeah.
And they need to talk to you folks.
Okay.
You know, on how it's going to be done, and whether they hire their own people,
or whether, you know, you get someone to come in and do them all at once,
which would seem to make more sense.
Also, Dan, Dan, what was Dan's last name?
I wonder what?
He spoke to, I don't know if he spoke to Jim about this.
Oh, yeah.
He had, they had done similar approaches, but different approaches for various municipalities,
primarily out towards the seacoast.
And he offered some methods, I guess, of how to implement this.
So you might want to go and bug him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if you put it out there.
Are you, the water and sewer department, going to monitor or, yeah, monitor the,
I don't know what the right word is.
If they're still using their sump pump in the sewer system, are you going to monitor that
to put pressure on them to do it?
Yes, but we want to make sure that when we direct them to the town,
you folks have a program, if that's what you want to do.
So we wanted to make sure that, you know, you have something in place before we start
taking action to get them to, you know, connect.
Those homes were inventory as part of the original design process.
And to our knowledge, there were no, there were no stormwater or floor drain systems being
injected into the sewer.
But pipes have a way of moving.
And, you know, they can be removed and they can be replaced after the inspection is done.
So you would have to be, you'd have to, at any point in time when you're interested,
you need to investigate, okay, is there an illegal connection or not that's operating?
I mean, to our knowledge, those have been terminated at some point.
Right.
But we don't know what the actual condition is today.
And we do know there are many sump pumps that are just pumping outside the house and that goes back in the basement.
So those are the two points that we wanted to discuss as far as, you know, the Whittemore Street project,
the follow-up on making those connections, and then when, you know, we would be able to start thinking about the next project.
Because you really don't want to start design or anything until you know you've got funding to make your way through.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
There's another step, too.
I think I've mentioned it before.
It's in order to gain funding for some of the sources, at least for the sewer,
we need to go through qualifications-based selection system to pick a consultant.
So we can't just say, our engineer is under with.
We need to go through, and I think you folks went through something with the sidewalk project.
It would be similar to that.
Which is a process we're getting ready to undertake, right?
Not until we have some commitment.
So we're only doing part of Church Street and most of Myrtle Street for this project.
Is the idea to finish it the next time?
Maybe five years or four years or whatever that time?
Well, the next project could entail the upstream streets, if you will,
like Newman and Pleasant and Central, Upper Central.
They could.
But you start looking at the dollars, and when you look at the linear fee,
it just gets, it's almost doubled.
So that's why I said, let's just look at these two streets and see how much it's going to pay.
And that's what's reflected on the third Excel sheet here.
Is that similar to what we did for Winnemore as far as linear fee?
That's a good question.
I don't recall offhand.
I looked at this because this was our next hot spot, if you will.
Yeah, you indicated before that Myrtle Street was the next one on your project,
and we, at the time, postponed topping Myrtle Street with pavement.
So we didn't double up, you know, we discussed that with the highway department.
So we were aware of that.
I think it was pay.
It's just that anyone replaced the stormwater system.
And so we recommended a holdoff on replacing the stormwater until we saw how much capacity it would require
if we brought the stormwater down Church Street into Myrtle or whoever that was going to work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was some of that.
Right.
Right.
There was a holdoff on the stormwater aspect.
Right.
Yeah.
Is the blue on this first page, meaning this is a good connection all the way,
we're confident that this is something that doesn't have to be replaced?
It wasn't as bad as the red and the yellow.
Okay.
So Pot of Myrtle is blue, so that means that really, that doesn't have to be done?
This was based on our consultant's review of primarily, we had a consultant by the name of Ted Berry,
and they did all our aligning, and they got swallowed up by a company by the name of Vortex.
But they kept very good records for the most part.
And so we've got historical video of all these sewers and how they've performed over probably a 10-year window
that we've retained, Ted Berry and Vortex.
So that got handed over to Underwood when they conducted this evaluation.
I personally didn't look at these videos.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm just wondering.
I don't think you can get to the red part without doing some of the blue parts.
Well, no, I know that's true.
Well, the reason why I asked is because there's not, if you look at Church Street, for instance,
after Walnut, there's not a lot of street left.
I just wonder whether we should just do everything from the school up to Myrtle.
You know, because that small section, if we plan on doing it, say, three, four, five, six years from now,
it doesn't make, you know, I guess you do it with brown and Walnut, but I don't know.
Yeah, there's a break in the sewer.
It doesn't extend down that area.
It picks it up farther down the street, just not even half a block.
You're talking about the north end.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I thought you were talking about the south end.
No, I'm talking about heading towards the school.
Oh, yeah.
That there's not a lot, after Walnut, there's not a lot of street left.
No.
So, and I would think it would make sense for us if we were going to repave Church Street
to do all the way down to Brown Avenue or Brown Street and do that one.
But I, again, I speak to myself.
I don't speak to the board.
But then again, if it's blue, it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be done.
Well, that's kind of why you hired a consultant, to help you through these.
Yeah, well, that's, does green mean it's good?
I forgot what the color code mean.
Oh.
Excellent.
We should have copied that and put it on here somehow.
Good question.
Will, my red is pretty.
Red bad.
It's the worst.
Yeah, well, under the impression that, if it's red, blue, green, or yellow, it's 100 years old.
Oh, yeah.
More.
Yeah.
Or more than 100 years old.
And eventually, it's going to be needed to be done.
Right.
And initially, you gave us the indication of the worst.
And that's why we picked Whittemore and Park to do first.
Right.
And the second in line was Myrtle Street.
I guess Church Street, but you had indicated to all that before.
So, I mean, I remember it.
I don't, it's not a surprise to me.
Yeah.
But I understand how you want to do it.
Yeah.
Well, we, I think we provided you with copies of that asset management, the sewer asset management.
And the engineers evaluated them in different ways.
One was condition.
One was, if it fails, what's the impact going to be?
You know, and so there's several different charts in there that address that.
Any other questions on Whittemore or this information?
I do have one question.
I know you guys don't have an appetite or would like to do a big project like we talked about, you know, earlier.
But would it make sense to expand the scope of this project to do Newman and the others, you know, part of Central, but I think it's Central Pleasant, Walnut, the rest of the church in Brown and take a small note.
Yeah, maybe it would double the cost, maybe, and just spread the, you know, we come up with X amount of dollars over three or four years.
Whatever's left, we finance it for a period of time.
That way that whole chunk is done.
Well, I guess, again, we're going to continue to, you know, try to gather the funds that we need to do these projects.
You folks have got to go to town meeting to finance this sort of thing.
So I guess, you know, it's however you think.
If you think it's easier to put $130,000 away a year or it's easier to get a bond passed, you know, I don't know how that works when you don't really have a design yet.
So you don't really know a scope.
Well, we have to do a design.
I mean, first we'd have to agree on the scope.
Then we have to get a design and a cost estimate.
Then we move forward, I would think.
But if you're looking at expanding the scope, but you don't know what number you're expanding to.
Well, no.
Or you can go and say, this is the number we need to get the voters to approve.
And then the scope is automatically set by the ultimate design and construction estimate.
True, but I mean, it's a chicken egg kind of thing, but to try to.
I just try to think down the line and, you know, if we're going to do half of this section now and then three or four years from now, we're going to do the other half.
It doesn't make sense to do it all because economy is a scale.
You know, it would be significantly cheaper if we did this whole block at one point.
Because you're going to have the construction material there.
You're going to have the people there.
You're going to have everything there rather than do it twice.
Absolutely more efficient.
Yes.
But again, we don't know until we figure it out.
And I guess my question is, how difficult would it be to increase, to do this and do the rest of this section?
How much work was it to do this and how much work would it be to do the whole thing?
Work meaning design work or construction work or both?
No, what you did, like expand these two sheets to include Newman, Pleasant.
You could probably do it right now.
You got a calculator?
Yeah, you already have.
You just take 350 over 2,000.
What is that?
And you just multiply that times each category.
We don't have the length of these three.
Yeah, we do.
It's on the second sheet.
So it's not quite double, but it's going to be significant more.
Okay.
What I had to go and do is, if you'll see on the second sheet with the street links, we've got features here.
And it's kind of hard to, we don't have a design sitting in front of us.
So I looked at, you know, how many curves do we have, how many sidewalks do we have,
and that kind of factors into how much the roadway costs are going to be.
The water and the sewer, they don't care.
So, you know, our costs are kind of, they're not fixed, but we need to replace the whole name to the next intersection and then tie in there.
I mean, I guess my answer to your question is, you know, it depends on your confidence in being able to get the voters to approve a larger bond
or whether you're better off, you know, putting aside a certain amount of money every year and doing it, you know, on a little smaller scale.
And I really can't speak to whether that's going to be successful or not.
It's up to, you know, I'm not against it, but I don't think...
My thing is that if you get a bond, you're going to have to pay off the bond before you can do another project.
So you might end up doing this project and not doing another one for six years, rather than doing one every three years.
But if you do double work, it would take you six years to get it done anyway.
But again, I don't... I'm not saying that we would take a bond for the whole amount of money.
I'm saying that we would start accumulating money like we are when we...
When we started, we would, instead of having, what, what's this, 15...
We'd need the $1.5 million, we'd need about $3 million, would have $1.5 million, and we would finance $1.5 million.
So when I'm talking a huge amount of money, I mean, compared to $20 or $30 million to do it large,
I mean, we're talking a relatively small amount.
There's one, I guess, funding mechanism we haven't really talked about,
but the Clean Water SRF funding from DES and the Drinking Water SRF project funding source from DES
typically have some percentage of forgiveness, which is kind of like a grant,
but you can't really depend on that until you have a design sitting in front of you
and your consultant approaches DES and says,
how are we looking this fiscal year or two years out from now?
But you can't have those conversations until you have at least a concept plan
and a consultant help you with this.
Yeah.
He says maybe part of the answer to your question is to come up with some portion of these engineering funds.
To get the concept initiated for the overall project that you're talking about.
Come up with the engineering funds so that we have something to start with in terms of application for grant money
or loan money or decision-making just on our part as to, okay, we have the beginnings of a design
and based on the preliminary cost estimates, we can't afford it, so we're going to scale back the scope of our work.
So maybe it starts with putting together some of these engineering funds that are estimated here,
expanded by basically doubling the project.
But to give us a starting point without yet having to start collecting funds,
either capital account or starting to think about bonding,
start with the engineering or the beginnings of the engineering,
which probably is a concept plan.
My thing is I'm confused on it.
If you start and put money away for three years
and then you take out a bond
and you make payments on a bond,
that means you're not putting money away for another project.
So until that bond is paid off
and then you go back to
collecting money for three years
to start enough,
you're talking six years between projects.
That's true.
So you're going to go back, I mean...
I know you're going to have a larger area done,
but then it's going to take you six years
to get over to another area
that needs to get done.
So it's going to take you six years anyway.
I mean, assuming that they do...
Assuming we go with your original plan
and assuming that
the next area would be to finish this section,
well, it's going to take you another three years.
So in six years, this would be done.
And if we'd bond in six years,
it would be...
I mean, time-wise, it would work about the same.
Well, I guess...
Again, my response is
sewer and water is going to continue to put money away.
Okay?
Right.
If you folks want to try to address this problem,
then you folks need to decide how you want to fund it.
I don't think, you know,
asking us,
do you want to join you with a bond,
do you want to do this and that.
We're kind of putting the money away
and we're trying to move forward.
If you folks want to fund it a different way,
I think that's a decision that the selectmen need to make.
Because you're the ones who are going to go before the voters.
So what's going to happen is
you're going to have put money away
for three years to do a project
and we're going to be putting money into a bond,
which means we can't help you with that project
until that bond's paid off.
So you're going to just keep accumulating money.
Well, it's fine.
We're going to...
Well, I mean...
Okay, let's assume that we decide
to do what I suggested.
Okay?
And we put money away for three years.
You guys put money away for three years.
And you have enough to do...
Our portion.
Your portion of this Myrtle Street and Church Street.
How would you fund the rest of it?
You wouldn't keep coming in with the bond with us?
Well, I guess...
Well, we can't take the bond out anyhow.
No, we take the bond out.
You pay half, we pay half.
No, but if we've already saved our money in the meantime,
we don't need to.
But you're only going to save half.
What you're telling me is that in three years,
you're going to save almost one and a half million dollars.
Okay?
But if we go with the whole section,
it's going to cost almost three million dollars.
Oh, I see.
You're not going to have the other one and a half million dollars.
So you're going to have to get money somewhere for that,
just like we're going to have to get that
one and a half million dollars somewhere for that, too.
So, I mean, hypothetically,
yeah, you've got a great idea.
Let's do it your way.
Okay?
Does the rest of the board agree?
That's what I need to hear.
How much burden are we putting on the taxpayer?
And in the same term,
how much burden are we putting on the users?
And can they absorb?
I mean, I don't know, you know,
how much you can put away every year
with your current fee structure.
And I know they've been going up,
but, you know,
same thing,
how much can we put away
to hit the taxpayer every year
or for six years or a bond payment?
You know, once you take a bond payment,
you're kind of stuck.
You're going to have to pay it back.
Yeah.
You know?
So for the number of years of the bond,
you wouldn't be putting money away.
You'd be paying half the bond.
So everything stops.
Nothing gets done
until that bond gets paid off.
True.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We've also,
we've highlighted
the worst segment
of the village area.
That's the segment we're talking about.
We've done Park and Windmore.
Now we're talking about
the remaining worst section.
So, you know,
the fact that we wouldn't do
another project for six years.
I'm just asking a question.
I don't know whether it's good or bad,
but I just
I don't think I can answer your question.
I mean,
it's,
I don't know.
Can I make a comment
from somebody who's not involved?
No.
One of the things that my concern is,
and I don't have a concern,
I feel this is needed.
My concern is the money part in,
you know,
as we sit here and talk about it,
there's a whole nother budget
that goes into the same day
of voting for this money.
And I think a bond
is very difficult to pass
no matter what the project.
You need to do a lot of outreach
to the public.
I think
even
putting money away
is going to be,
could be difficult
as well.
So,
and
your reserves
are included
in your budget work,
correct?
So,
they,
their money
is going to come in
because if the users
don't pay,
we pay off the liens.
So,
and then we collect
on those liens.
So,
there's,
they don't,
they don't have
the same dilemma
that we have.
And I'm not,
it's not being critical,
but just the structure
of the funding.
I think that
this question
can't be answered
right now
even by the board.
You may want to do it
one way,
but I think
you need to get a feel
from the public.
And if that means
right now
we have some
public hearings
on this
because you need
to know
which way
they're going to,
you get a feel
of which way
it's going to go
at a meeting,
whether it's
setting up
a capital reserve fund
with substantial amounts
going in every year
versus a bond.
I think
in my opinion
for whatever it's worth
I think it would be
easier to do
a capital reserve fund
because again
you're earning
the interest
as they had mentioned
versus paying
the interest.
It doesn't
accomplish
what you're looking
for Rich
but I think
it's an easier
swallow
for the
taxpayers
to say
well
you know
maybe we'll
do it
because
I think
that's a hurdle
in itself
because there are
some taxpayers
that feel
it's
I'm not on
water and sewer
I shouldn't have
to help
to help
pay for this
in my taxing.
I think
it's better
it's easier
to spread
a cost like that
across
and this is road work
so then you have
to kind of push
that
maybe it's
an increase
in the road work
budget
versus
you know
because
the town
is
the town
taxpayers
who are not
on water
who are not
paying for the
water and sewer
infrastructure
or sewer
infrastructure
to say
it's the road work
and the drainage
for redoing
that road
so I think
that
there's a way
to explain it
to the public
to understand
that
this roadway
these roadways
need to be done
anyway
we're combining
that with the
sewer project
you know
all the discussion
are that
we're going to
we're going to
go in on
the sewer project
but our portion
is really
the roads
and drainage
we just
it's just
more
financially
feasible
to do it
together
and efficient
and without
the storm water
we cannot
eliminate
the infiltration
right
without a place
for people
to put their water
unless you want
to pump it
into the street
which some
people do
and in the
winter time
you can see
it's running
down the street
and we have
a whole different
problem
right
so
you're almost
saying
that
because
this is
road work
we
could take
that half
million dollars
that we have
for road work
every year
and we could
designate
these streets
or the streets
that we're going
work on
work on
while we do
this project
so that we
wouldn't have
to raise
an extra
1.5 million
dollars
we could
take
some of it
out of
our road
budget
is that what
you're suggesting
is that what
I'm hearing
I think
it's the
same
yes
I think
it would
there would be
value in sitting
down with the
road agents
to start talking
about this
but I think
that it's
one and the
same
I don't think
that going
before the
public
is saying
we want
to take
out a
3 million
or 1.5
million dollar
bond
to help
out with
sewer projects
because that's
not what
we're doing
we're combining
our road
projects
and because
then if you
if you present
it that we're
we're helping
them pay for
the sewer
and I won't
see us and
them but
that's where
you get that
resistance
when we
have we have
to do road
projects anyway
and it just
makes more
sense to do
it together
while they're
doing their
sewer projects
that's true
so whether
or not
it's
you know
we
if we
raise
$550,000
a year for
the road
project
maybe it's
time to put
that in a
capital reserve
fund each
year and
sit down with
the road
agent and say
okay we want
to earmark
$300,000
for this project
you get the
other $200,000
and it's
tight I don't
know but
you'd want to
sit down with
the road
agent first
and say
okay give
me your
list as
far as
these are
the worst
you know
and do it
like that
versus
I think it
gets too
complicated
to talk
about the
bonds
before
as they were
saying the
engineering work
and then if
you spend
money on a
whole plan
and find out
that you
can't get
a bond
or you
can't get
buy-in from
the public
because they're
focused on the
sewer aspect
of it when
our portion
is the road
and stormwater
which we
would have to
do anyway
I think it's
going to be a
hard sell
anyway to
get $370,000
as a separate
warrant article
on top of
everything else
I would agree
and I'm not
suggesting that
we go for a
bond next year
or anything
like that
I'm just
suggesting
long term
again
just because
I thought
it may be
it made
sense
but
okay
the other
factor to
look at
is as far
as voters
no criticism
of the highway
department
but I think
when you do
a project
this way
you're getting
an engineered
street
okay
with curbing
and the sidewalk
and I think
you're getting
the infrastructure
is a lot
better
in terms of
the material
underneath
the road
you know
typically
what they do
is they're
basically
resurfacing
you know
they grind it
up and
then pave over
so I think
you're getting
you're getting
a better product
for your money
I think
it won't see
catch basins
up in the middle
of the road
anymore
it seems
you
I think
you all agree
you have to
do something
if you don't
the whole system
collapses
it costs you
a bucket
more
rich
has got
a good
idea
that it's
more efficient
to add
and double
the work
the bond
forget about
the bond
you never
pass a bond
and it's
non-economical
Iris is right
you pay all
the interest
your decision
is pretty simple
do you want
to go with
the proposal
they're making
and ask
the taxpayers
for 1.5 million
over 5 years
or do you
want to ask
them for
3 million
over 5 years
either
is a tough
pill to swallow
but look at
the last town
meeting
inconsistent
people come in
bitching about
their taxes
and then pass
an 11 million
dollar budget
fire trucks
everything
not a comment
if they heard
this discussion
tonight
they would
pass
$300,000
a year
for 5 years
to do this
because it
makes common
sense
and it
saves
taxpayers
money
in the long run
obviously
the voter
outreach
is the
key
because they
are getting
not just
a resurfaced
road
you're getting
a reconstructed
engineered road
new sidewalks
curbing
there's a public
benefit
that could
be
expanded
on
and
disassociated
mostly
from the
water
sewer
and sewer
work
this is
incidental
so we
care about
what we're
trying to
accomplish
but it's
incidental
to the
discussion
that you
need to have
to get those
funds authorized
to be put
aside
another capital
but in the
other aspect
that you don't
want to overlook
in terms of
the sewer
is that
the sewers
that we
fix
creates capacity
and we were
told that we
need more
capacity
and we're not
going to be
building a new
plant
anytime soon
so the only
way to generate
capacity
is to fix
the system
and it's
clear
you know
when we get
rainfall
the flows
triple
at the
treatment
plant
so
you're
creating
capacity
at the same
time
maybe not
immediately
but it's
got to be
fixed
yeah
oh
without a
doubt
it has to
be fixed
because
it's just
going to
get worse
and worse
and like I've
said before
this should
have been
done 50
years ago
but here we
are
we're in
the situation
we're in
we committed
to
the
wheremore
and
and
what
project
Park Street
project
we made
that commitment
and at the
time
as the
poor
we should
have been
putting money
away
for the
next project
and we
haven't done
that
right
we had
offer
money
we had
money
before
that
it really
didn't
hit the
taxpayers
hard
that
project
but in
this
scenario
you're
going to
say
you
want
$350,000
for the
first year
to put
in the
capital
reserve
to be
used
three years
down the
road
and that's
to me
that's going
to hit
the taxpayers
pretty hard
you know
and all
that's going
to happen
and as far
as using
the road
work
you've got
a lot
of roads
in town
that are
in bad
shape
and as
long as
I've
been involved
with the
board
the
highway
department
has been
taking
the worst
of the
worst
doing
what
they
can
on a
basis
you know
this road
this year
this road
next year
and keeping
up with it
and it's
worked out
pretty well
not to say
you know
these
yes you
get a
better road
but
these roads
are not
in disrepair
so as
a
taxpayer
or
you know
trying to
put this
out there
you say
why are you
fixing this
road
there's nothing
really wrong
with it
and my
road is
you know
falling apart
so that part
of it
I mean
it's hard to
convince them
that yeah
you're going
to get a
better road
but those
roads
downtown
are not
horrible
you go on
some of the
other ones
and they're
in rough
shape
and you
know
we hear
you know
all the
time
you know
we're going
to do
our road
you know
beard road
to start
with
you know
it's going
to get
done
this year
you know
so
it's a
long term
you know
commitment
but to try
to sell it
and to get
that money
out of the
taxpayers
you know
it's going
to be tough
same thing
get the money
out of your
users
you know
because you're
going to have
to come up
with that money
also
so
you know
and
you know
it's a
user fee
but
they still
got to pay
their taxes
you know
I don't have
to pay
technically
I don't have
to pay
I'm not on
the system
so I've
got my
taxes
you're on
the system
you've got
your taxes
plus
you have
your user's
fee
so
you know
that's something
I think
to take
into consideration
yeah
but if we
took our
road
the road
article
and increased
it
so that they
could still
have the money
to do
the repairs
on some of
these roads
and put away
this
I mean
they dug up
my road
I don't remember
when
15
maybe
15
the thing
is like
I mean
it doesn't
do any good
if you don't
get those
big rocks
out of it
or anything
else
I mean
I've got
a big crack
behind my
driveway
water runs
down the street
goes in the
crack
where's it
going
it's
washing out
the road
at the other
end
so
if you could
put in
more money
because if you
put it in
a capital
reserve
wouldn't the
highway
department
be able
to use
some of
that
for that
year
yeah
I mean
as long
as it's
for that
perfect
right
rather than
having two
articles
is what
I'm asking
yes
you could
well you'd
have to
start
right
and put it
into a
capital
reserve
right
but I mean
instead of
having an
article
that says
$250,000
to fix
Jones Road
this year
and $300,000
to put in
for Myrtle
Street
you could
combine
them into
one
and put
it all
in the
capital
reserve
and then
let them
out there
$250,000
right
okay
well
this is
$500,000
for road
repair
right
$250,000
is going to
go into
capital
reserve
for
the
project
so you
keep up
with your
road
repairs
because that's
going to
you know
whatever
I forget
what it is
what is it
$400,000
or $450
they ask for
this year
for road
repairs
and that cost
is going to
keep going
up
so
you know
not only
we already
put $500,000
for the
road
repair
we're going
to have
to put
$800,000
to put
money away
in the
capital
reserve
it's just a
matter of
how you're
explaining it
to the
taxpayers
I was just
trying to
figure out
if we could
do it
all in
one article
rather than
right
but why
wouldn't
you just
have one
capital
reserve
fund
that's
a word
right
but Jim
was just
saying
half and
half
I think
that
if you've
got
I mean
we should
have
a list
of the
roads
and we
may
anticipate
those
are going
to be
done
and we
should
have
that
because
then it
makes it
easier
when we
talk
about
these
projects
to say
okay
right now
it stays
fast
it's estimated
there's this
much
you know
needs to be
done on
street A
and
so this
year
anything
do you
put 450
or 5
I think
it's 450
I thought
we have
to support
didn't we
yeah
we have
to 5
did we ask
for more
no
450
so even
you know
we brought
it up
to 600
and
this is
part of
that
explanation
but now
we want
to put
a capital
reserve
fund
well
that
we do
it for
a two
year period
because we
don't spend
all that
money in
one year
right now
so meanwhile
it's
sitting there
it could be
earning interest
and so all
that interest
adds to
what we
aren't going
to need
to ask
the tax
payers
for
but
and if
he only
uses
the
4
instead
of
he only
uses
425
instead
of
the
450
then we
get
25
to
leave it
in there
but that's
up to the
board to
sit down
with the
road agent
and say
we are going
to allow you
to spend
this much
this year
because
these projects
are
however
you know
I don't
think it
should be
well
no no
I just
not
like for
the article
this year
it's 450
but what
happens if
this cost
actually come
in at
only 425
then there's
25 that
would be
remaining
that would
stay in
the capital
reserve
right
right
but yeah
right
I don't
think there's
going to be
any left
over
the way
prices are
going
now
and I'm
I'm hoping
it stays
they can do
what they want
to do
with the
450,000
if the
increases
in material
now
you know
changes
you know
they had planned
to do
X amount
of miles
and if
the prices
increase
well
we can't
do
that far
we have
to scale
back
and this
is to use
that
you know
but if
you want
to ask
if you
start
with 450
and say
okay
we're going
to ask
for 600
that's
a third
of the
additional
money
that you
need
right
it's not
enough
right
you're going to have to make a pretty good size ask
each year
in order to accomplish this
just based on
what we've looked at
right
for this
Myrtle Street
but my thought was
if they upped it to
600
let's say
and said
okay
but of that
600
we're not
it doesn't necessarily mean
450 will go for the roads
and then just
the remainder
you know
that's a determination
that the board will have to make
but
it's
you know
because if not
then you play with
you can only
have it
last for two years
it's got to be
put into something
that can roll over
each year
I see
because
you can
reallocate it
because if you don't use it
within those two years
it goes into the general fund
and you can reallocate it
out of the general fund
that's another
warner
so
yeah
but
so the bottom line is
for our next budget
which would be
for our
20
20
2026 budget
we would have to come up with
we'd like us to come up with
24-125
for the
engineering
and
370
we're to stop
squirreling money away
for the project
is that
correct?
well
that would be a start
because the population's already
eaten away at us
but that would
that's
those are the two numbers
we're shooting for
last December it was
yes
last December
well I think
they're
they want you to come up with
they're saying
because this is
what the town's portion
would be
right
right
so
it's up to us
to figure out
how to get that
how to get there
by that time
yeah
right
but I think
you want to do
the engineering
sooner rather than later
you need to
so that would mean
at least that money
would have to be
in our next budget
yeah
and if we're smart
we'd probably be
putting some money
away for this project
well
yeah
and they get the
engineering done
so you can
when grants come up
you have that
to apply the grant
that's what
I did get that
from
tonight
when we got
this housing champion
you guys
weren't here
they said
there's money
right now
this year
the state
didn't have any more
money to put
towards the housing
but he talked about
infrastructure money
and everything else
and it all comes up
what is available
to get
grants for
and if you don't
have the engineering
and the plan
it's going to be hard
to apply for the grants
I mean
you know
it's a small portion
but it was
a light
at the end of the tunnel
there's going to be
grant money out there
and being designated
as a housing champion
it gives us
a foot up
on other communities
that aren't that way
so it seems to
make positive effects
for us
you know
being this
you know
I mean
I knew
this was happening
I mean
the planning board
I knew it
I just hated
for Robin
to run out
so quick
because she did
most of the work
in obtaining
this
this thing
and the planning board
has done
a heck of a job
going forward
with all this
housing
and
changing the regulations
and looking at them
all
made a conservative
effort
to do all this
and what
I learned tonight
that
this gives us
it gives us
more than a feather
in our cap
it's
it's
you've got a little bit
of push on the list
when you start asking
for money
grants and stuff
down the road
but you need that
engineering
you definitely
have to have that
to apply for the grants
you know
there are more grants
on their side
than our side
no
I think
they have
they have
a harder time
obtaining the grants
because of the competition
yeah
we always seem
to end up
at the bottom
all the state money
for water
when it comes to
Hillsborough
has been going
to Emerald Lake
so
they have more
problems
than we do
yeah
we have two other
aspects to talk about
yes
the
first one
is the
associated
electric
property
so the building
is down
what
we
typically
require
when someone
takes the building
down
is that they
sever
the sewer
connection
and cap it
so that we
don't have any
water coming
from somewhere
else
whether there
were floor
drains in that
building
or whatever
okay
so
what needs to
happen is
ideally
I guess
the town
has a backhoe
we could schedule
a time when
our personnel
could meet
your personnel
show them
where to dig
they dig
down
we cut
the pipe
and cap
it
and take
measurements
to it
and then
it's
disconnected
and that way
when someone
wants to do
something
with that
property
we would
be able
to show
them
okay
this is
where you
need to
start
digging
to tie
back in
now
if the
town
is the
one
that
does
something
with
that
property
are we
going to have
to pay
to have
that
reconnected
or we
well you're
going to
chances are
if you do
something
with that
property
it's not
going to be
I don't know
whether the
building is
going to be
in the same
spot as
that
building
so you'd
probably be
replacing
the line
but you're
not hooking
into the main
it's dug
on your
property
right
so you're
going to
have to
dig to
that
anyway
so no
would you
pay a fee
no the
connection
would still
be there
yeah
I don't
know
I just
wanted that
in a minute
I don't know
if the
connection
would be
sufficient
for whatever
your projected
needs are
that's
not a
side
question
that's up
down the
road
yeah
right
what do you
mean the
diameter of
the pipe
yeah
it might
need
the building
might need
fire protection
might need
all kinds
of things
you know
beyond what
the existing
connection
could
abide
well there
would be a fee
to have an
increase
but right
no that's your
cost
right
but then there
wouldn't be a fee
on top of that
I wouldn't think so
because we already
have a connection
there right
right
so as far as
like the cost
to increase
capacity
if we need
increased
capacity
I just
want to get
a cent
right up
front
even if
I'm not
here
when the
building
goes up
remember back
in 2026
when that
question was
asked
we just have
no idea
how much
piping is in
the ground
and how much
water could be
coming through
that piping
you might
have
introduced
the solar
system
you just
want to
terminate it
so that
whatever's
there is
not an
issue
you might
actually have
a bigger
problem
trying to
deal with
the storm
water
yeah
aren't we
dealing with
that whole
storm water
thing on the
other side
of the road
with that
side
well see
there's not
too many
culverts
crossing
underneath
that portion
of West
Main Street
really
there is
one right
from the
property
yeah
right
right by
the cemetery
there's a
catch basin
in there
and it
goes across
so that's
one thing
you want to
talk about
the office
second floor
oh
second floor
of the office
yeah
our office
yeah we have
an office
now apparently
hey
and so there
was two
concerns
the principle
being securing
that side
door so
that we don't
have an
event such
as the one
that precipitated
the damage
that was
incurred
with the door
being left
not quite
secured or
partially ajar
whatever
whatever
and we want
to make sure
there is
an entrance
through the front
door to the
second floor
so it's not
that we want
to exclude
access but we
want to make
sure
that
that side
door
can be
permanently
secured
and the other
related to that
is the condition
of that
fire escape
I think that
should
I think that's a
huge liability
potential liability
and that it
should be blocked
it's not being
used
it's not
there's no
habitable space
on the second
floor
that would require
that second
entrance
I don't believe
don't they have
access to the
second floor
from the front
door
that's a hazard
that
it's just
inviting a problem
it seems to be
it should be
at least
minimally
blocked
with a chain
and a sign
that says
stay away
or something
so there's
a side egress
from the first floor
a front egress
is there a back
no
there's a bulk
hit in the back
it goes in the
wrong direction
you wouldn't even
need that
because like you
said
it's not being
it's not being
used
well we just
we just want to
make sure it
doesn't happen
again
I agree
and being down
there
I sort of
thrown this
idea out
of draining
the heating
system
why does it
need to even
be heated
why are you
paying for heating
it
and being down
in the basement
I noticed
that there
were
I think
four
either four
or five
circulator pumps
which means
there's four
or five zones
which means
that that could
be isolated
drained
and you're not paying
and you're not paying
down as a pain
unnecessarily to heat
it in a building
that who knows
what condition
any insulation
might be preventing
but that's secondary
the safety
has a helmet
of securing
the door
and I think
I would recommend
marking
that fire
escape
access
probably makes
a good deal
of sense
it was
it was
it's a metal
fire escape
and the posts
were in concrete
but I think
the one at the
corner
you can just
you know
it's not
attaching
it's in the air
it's in the air
well I think
if you put weight
on it
it gets
I mean
it hits
it
as you fall
down to the floor
yeah
the floor
is securing
that door
yeah
you know
so
if
you know
they can use
the front door
and get
to the upstairs
yeah
yeah
but not making
it inaccessible
so
I have no idea
what she knows
it
where did that
finish
I just
assume
it'd not be
used
especially if we're
going to take out
the fire escape
I'll talk to you
more
I'll find out
how much
they're using it
I mean
frankly
the fire escape
could be repaired
well it could be
yeah
but if you're not
in heaven
oh it's just
the footing
is that
it's just the footing
yeah
but the structure
itself
is there
but
without
you know
being supported
on something
yeah
or
else
right
like the fire chief
we don't need it
why have it
I think it was up there
because they were
using
oh yeah
no
it's an necessity
it's occupied
the kids were up there
and
right
well I think it was there
long before the town
took the building
yeah
and it's salvageable
but that means
spending some time
not that far
escaping
I don't think so
how did the concrete
erode so quickly
I mean it's been a while
but I don't think
it was there
when we took over
the building
hmm
really
oh when we took over
the building
yeah
was it there
oh I think it's been
oh I think it's been
I think it was like
for years
it was the one
they had a school
it was in the building
for quite a while
yeah but I mean
yeah
because I think
project lift was in that
building a long time
when it first started
I think project lift
was over there
yeah but
anyway
I'm not sure
we kind of
we consider that
now that we use it
for an office
as a commercial building
and I'm not sure
I'd have to check
with Mike
that you should have
a second egress
out of a commercial
build
yeah but we're not
using the second floor
no not the second floor
even the first
well we do
we have multiple
there's two
you know you want
to secure that
no no no
you have the one
on the side
right
the one we want
to secure
is a bottom
that's the one
that opened
and froze
and that's why
the office got flooded
oh that one up there
that's why
they were using it
to access
to store stuff
up there
oh
somehow it didn't
now
it didn't get closed
or something
or the snow
got in the way
and the pipes froze
so our offices
got flooded
oh okay
so we're not
we're not eliminating
ground floor access
it's just that
access to the fire escape
yeah
and now
we don't want to
eliminate it
we just want
you know
shut
bolted shut
or you know
whatever
yeah
something so it's
yeah
a dead boat
from the inside
with no access
available outside
yeah
and if you did that
you don't need the stairs
yeah I mean
that's
securing the door
from the inside
if you want to
spend a little bit
to put another
post
another concrete post
under there
some excavation
I mean
there's nothing wrong
with the soft fireworks
the gate
except it's not
attached to the ground
yeah
I mean we're very happy
there
oh
I'm very grateful
to have a place
to offer
so I guess
that's it
that's it
I think we're
forever
representing
so
should we go ahead
and coordinate
with Ernie
yes
that would be great
as far as
disconnecting the sewer
to the associated
electric
oh yes
definitely
yeah
all right
that makes sense
I mean
we can hire somebody
you know
if you're willing
to have it
we always want to
save money
yeah
but when they
threw down the building
didn't they cap
the end of it somehow
they didn't do anything
they were thinking
they were all over the place
there was more drains
or who knows
what's in the ground
we just want to make sure
this is still open
we don't know
we don't
you don't know
the foundation is still there
right
the concrete foundation
we're trying
we're trying
we're working on getting that
yeah
so we have a brownfield
application
and there's more work
to be done
but that doesn't mean
that the pipes
that went to those drains
they clear it off
and they smooth it out
they're not going to do
anything to the pipes
right
well you're saying
we cut it off here
wrap it
all this
whatever was there
you don't have to worry about
that's right
it's all going to go away
and put a building there
so
yeah
nothing to do with
sorry
we're a parking lot
and do you cut it away
right before it gets to the street
cut the right away
cut the right away
yeah
it'll be on
you know
inside your property
so you have to dig it up
and cut the pipe
and put a cap in there
is that how you do it
yeah
it's not a complicated
thing
it's easy peasy
it's just
right
we need permission
to do it
number one
we'd like to have
the time to assist
what about water
does that shut off too
or is that a problem
I don't believe it's shut off
typically
you know
you have a shut off
at the edge of the road
or somewhere between
the main and the building
and I'm pretty sure
that's shut off
okay
because they needed water
to do the demolition
and they had to hook up
to a hydrant
nearby
because the water was shut off
because you guys
would shut off the water
yeah
well they couldn't
access the water
in the building
while they took it down
you know
right
yeah
outside source
so
assumption is yes
we shut it off
prior to all the demolition
all right
until next time
thank you for coming
thank you
thank you
thank you
thank you
have a good night
make a motion to adjourn
all in favor
aye
adjourn
at 817
yes
yes