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That's the microphone.
Now I'll wait for that.
We'll move on to some of the stuff that we have to do.
I'll call a meeting to order the 28th, 2026 meeting minutes.
The motion to approve the May 28th, 246.
Discrepancies issues?
Don't work.
I'm pretty jealous.
It does too.
Get to pick pen.
Okay, hearing no issues, I'm going to call a question.
All those in favor of the 28th meeting minutes, signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Oppose?
Extensions?
Fast as you an animal slave.
June 18th Sewer Purchase Journal.
Make a motion to June 18th sewer purchase journal.
Second.
Second.
Is there anybody got any issues with it?
Hearing none, I move the question.
All is in favor of this.
So you will purchase journal signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Attention.
Massage unanimously.
So the next one is the one that's for the week in the name.
I'm talking about tonight.
I think since today was
training thing over here.
Is this something new that we have to have to have a
I am trying to be more responsive
to the auditor's need.
your approval before things are mailed.
I don't think we should incur late fees or interest.
And people, when they're looking for their payments, should get them.
So a lot of things do get mailed before you approve it, and you have given Dave the authority to.
Well, the bottom number gets paid.
To approve it.
But I'm just...
Do we need to approve the updated one?
The last one you just did was from May's meeting until June 19th, when the package for mail.
So this one is from the 19th of the 25th.
So we make a motion to accept the purchase journal from June 19th.
to June 25th.
Okay.
No questions?
No issues?
All those in favor?
Sign up.
I'm saying aye.
Opposed?
Censions?
Okay.
We can move on to the May 29 to June 18,
Water Purchase.
Do you want to just do two at once?
Yeah.
Do you want to just do two at once?
It's only a one pager?
No.
No.
I don't know.
It doesn't care.
He's seen the...
They go across it again.
I just spend your money.
I don't need to see what I'm right.
You just get over there.
So you could just approve the purchase journals from May.
So this is supposed to say water.
Oh.
Yep.
Sorry.
You caught my typo.
I want to make sure that's all.
I don't know.
I'll make a motion that we prove the water purchase journal from the period from May 29 to the
second.
In favor signify the saying aye.
Aye.
Oppose.
Mention, so can it goes from.
And I would just have to walk the purchase journal for them.
Okay.
We move right on to the sewer and water income states.
Make a motion to accept the sewer and water purchase journals ending May 31st.
Income state.
I'm sorry.
Incomes.
Anybody good with that?
Do we have a second?
Second.
Second.
Second hand by Charlie.
Everybody good?
All those in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
All right.
Now we have one.
Maybe we have two.
Abatements.
We're building adjustment, but I'm not abatement.
Well, 206 through the letter is the overbilled.
Okay.
So this one, the Thomas Richard Tutweiler, is an over-red wrong.
Overbill.
A three-decentral point.
So yeah, they were overbilled in the water.
Okay.
and so that was adjusted.
Okay.
Second.
To accept the request for billing error adjustment
for Thomas Richard Tuttweiler.
On second.
Okay.
And then we have this abatement request.
Oh, okay.
All in favor of the abatement for Mr. Richard Tuckweiler,
sign by saying aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Opposed.
Okay, that passes unanimously.
So the next one we have is this Melanie.
Can we just go with the address?
Oh, I'm sorry.
Yeah, can we?
Seventy-six Lower Main Street.
Thank you.
And it's for, it's been turned off, right?
Last winter, which is really.
So make a motion to accept the request
for a amendment for 76 Lower Main Street.
Second.
She's had her watch.
completely turned off at the street?
Yeah, they did it in the middle of winter.
Quite a while ago now, yeah.
It was in December.
The issue is that it's supposed to be an entire year,
but you have a letter on the back side,
requesting that this be granted.
I mean, the house is occupied.
Well, that's another problem, so.
It's occupied.
Yeah.
So if we choose, we could turn off the water, but...
Well, the water is up.
The problem is...
If we choose, we can accept the abatement for the water,
but I don't think we can turn off the service for the sewer.
That's why I, that's why this is before you.
It's...
Yeah, I'm just getting, trying to be as delicate as I can, but she's flustered.
the toilet probably at some point washing dishes, washing themselves.
So she's got, she's using the sewer.
And where is she going to walk?
Across the river.
Across the street.
Probably coming across the river.
Well, I mean, there is no reason why we shouldn't accept this abatement, correct?
Just that this is water, right?
She's asked the boat.
No.
It is both.
It's both.
Okay, so then you guys have to decide where the air will want to.
the year, we'll want it.
And you're only supposed to issue an abatement if there's been a full year of no use.
For water and sewer, a full year of non-gates.
And this is not a full year?
It was shut off in December.
Yeah, it was like December 5th.
Yeah.
It was very cold, and apparently everything froze, and the heating systems
row with different types.
And, um, yeah.
Can we do one about it?
for just water?
Or, but it's got to be a year?
It's supposed to be a full year of non-use to issue an abatement.
But I think this is a hardship issue, and it's you guys' rules.
I mean, I understand what she's trying to do, but the fact that it is still occupied.
occupied.
We're not occupied.
It would still have to be a year, though, right?
Yeah.
Well, the other thing is I have given multiple avenues to call and get,
but to get free help fixing the problems.
Is she worried that because is that her concern?
Can we just let it sit?
It's a hardship issue.
It's what it is.
But if we don't push on a collection,
push on a collection, what's our policy on the collection?
Our policy is once the bill is not paid, after a full year, it goes to the tax collector for lien process on the property.
So if that's a year, and our policy is a year, can we just let it sit?
Makes sense because we can't, in other words, we're not asking for an abatement at this time,
but we'll reassess this when a year comes, which would be the December, which would be the December
meeting, right?
Yeah, but so letting it sit, what does that mean?
She still approve that a certain amount of payment?
Well, I think the confusing part is that when does the taxpayer,
tax collector take her to lien right now?
Because you bill every six months or?
No.
That January, at the end of January, you guys usually approve
the bills that haven't been paid from 20 years.
2026 will go to the tax collector at the end of January.
The problem is going to be that the full year cycle will end September 30th.
So do we table this until September 30th and then...
That's one thing we could...
That's one thing we could do, I suppose.
Ask them to come back after the next billing.
But in the meantime, there's still a decision.
Is she paying interest?
I mean, if she doesn't...
Interest will accrue on the...
You can evade the interest if you choose to abate the charges,
but there's also the charges that can't be abated,
which are the bond fees, so those need to be paid.
The bond fees are on the sewer.
And the water.
They both have bond fees.
I would say table it until...
Whichever was the most appropriate.
We already made a motion to accept the...
No, we're not to accept.
So you can vote against your motion is what I guess.
Or you can remove the motion.
You can just vote against it.
Which is cleaner.
Yeah.
Just vote against it.
Okay.
All those in favor of the abatement request signify by saying I.
All those that are no, please signify by saying no.
Seeing abstentions?
No.
Okay.
So it gets...
So now make a motion.
So now make a motion.
to...
No.
No.
No, it's not a...
...senter a letter that says you'll come back.
But it's been...
It's tabled until...
Okay.
Until it's requested again.
Nope.
Okay.
I see we have somebody in the audience
that I'm guessing
may have something to do with this commercial
assessment or evaluation.
Is that correct?
Do you guys want to go through the rest of this stuff
and do that in line with this agenda?
Or would you like to push it
and push this other stuff aside?
so that we can get to that so...
Hey, we want to do whatever.
Probably like to read.
No, I'm always in paper.
All right, moving that forward.
Okay, so we're going to move down to the commercial
assessment impact fee,
attachment fee impacts and clarification of ordinances.
So does somebody want to give us a round?
Yep.
Does somebody want to give us a blow down at some point?
I think that there is.
there is spreadsheets in your packets?
I did go around with Allison.
I say about the Wednesday before,
and we counted seats,
all of the establishments,
except for the smokehouse that wasn't open.
We did...
The Hoptimistic wasn't open,
but there was someone in there working
who let us in to count the seating.
seating at that time.
The Fenton's Landing and Hockson Mystic
have exponentially increased the amount of seating.
The Mystic moved into the Prospect Hill
and Deeks building at 31 Roon Road.
The owners of 31 River Road paid the attachment
fees to have it able to seat 75 customers.
That's what they paid for.
When we counted seating, indoors and out,
there was 101 seats.
Indoor and the outdoor, I think,
indoor outdoor counts in the next, there's sheets.
There's sheets.
each of those.
Those are seating out.
They're seating right there.
Uh-huh.
And then there is the shared seating that has not been evaluated in any way.
I left that to the powers that be to decide what we do with this shared seating arrangement.
It's very hard with the ordinances to establish
establish the attachment fees and the equivalent dwelling units of these entities
because Noddy Tacos were moved into place
and their food is on the menu at Hotsamistic.
And then there's the shared seating area of 55
seeds that are not accounted for with anyone.
Fenton.
also increased their areas.
Fentens, tasty, smoothies, and knotty tacos altogether.
Naughty tacos, taking over a quack shack has caused me,
okay, let's just put this all in one building and call it this,
because Quackshackshack was always assessed separately as a unit.
So,
This is what has come investigation.
I don't know if it's enough to make any determination yet at this point.
I'm finding that glasses, originally I was told it was all disposable everything.
There are glasses at the optimistic.
There's probably other things.
They said they were doing food.
doing food prep that's pretty limited from what I can see, but the food prep's
being done at Noddy Tacos and brought across the way.
I don't think we have time to figure this all out tonight.
I don't see that happening.
It's a preliminary stab that I made at taking
taking the ordinances and the new tables and going down the list of everybody in town trying to figure out a fair arrangement.
I think I have come to a bit without counting that wonderful shared seating that nobody claims personally.
For an equivalent unit was equivalent units was equivalent units.
equivalent units.
This extra outdoor seating, the total of 101 seats,
if you don't count any dishes,
because that's, that doubles your,
it doubles your quality.
And there's a whole thing with number of meals and this and that,
and there's a question.
Number of meals and a number of days and
And my quick assessment with 101 seats,
indoors and out, would be that they would owe attachment fees for that building
about $12,000.
It would be 8,900 for sewer and 2,900-ish for water.
Still leaving you with those 55 seats.
I think with the
70, I think it was 78 seats,
including the outdoor, not including the shared.
It's all becoming very convoluted.
Fentons and the Naughty tacos
increased somewhat and they would be paying attachment fees
in their changes in seating
in the amount total and
$6,000 around them.
So are they actually doing a new attachment?
Well, I like, here's everybody does not,
have an attachment impact fee is what it is.
It's not attaching to the system.
It is an impact fee.
It's what it's, actually, if you look it up.
I'd like to see it's change.
I'd like somebody to make a motion to change.
We can't do that until we change our regs.
So you'd have to have a public hearing and we change the order.
Really?
Because we never do any attachment, any attaching.
Whatever the customer is, we might do a new tap to a water main or a sewer main.
But they're responsible rate to the sewer main.
But you can't change the ordinance unless you have a...
Well, I'm not changing the ordinance.
I'm just changing the explanation of what it is,
because it's not an attachment fee.
It's an impact fee.
But it's what it's called.
Well, whatever.
We can't change it.
Right here.
Attachment impact fees are one-time charges imposed on new development or growth impact to your system.
It is an increased flow in your sewer.
It's an increased flow in your water use.
And it's allowed by RSA 674 colon 21.
colon 21 for municipalities to assess proportional share of capital costs.
This is, and I've done also what we have in this money that we take from builders who pay their attachment fees.
What do you call them impact attachment?
It's the same thing if you look it up.
And it's not a...
And it's not enough to cover what we need to do, capital.
For a residential property, if it goes from two bedroom residence to a four bedroom residence...
No, if it goes from a five bedroom to a six, that's another issue I have.
So five is minimum?
But if you go over five, you get assessed another $8,000.
Okay.
If you're on water and sewer, it's 2,000 for water.
It's 6,000 for water.
It's 6,000.
for sewer.
Oh, that's my book.
Yes.
Yes.
So to put it in perspective, the tiny home across the street from Hopimistic paid $8,000 in attachment fees for that bill.
Anyone who bills an ADU pays $8,000 in 6,000 for sewer, 2,000 for water.
It's because of an impact to our system.
Right.
attachment slash impact team.
But if it's not over five bedrooms, if it's a...
If it's a new unit, it's a new unit.
That's why we...
The commercial is different than...
This is why we measure the commercial in equivalent dwelling units.
That's where that figure comes in.
And it's all in the ordinances.
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Well, I think the simplest way to explain this is that...
is this.
The building up there that optimistic and Prospect Hill is in
was built to be a restaurant but never became one until now.
But if you were to take that building, and you can explain this better than me probably
does, put that on a lot that would support a well and a commercial septic system.
The well would probably be somewhere in the neighborhood of $25,000 if it had good money.
that had good water in and had to treat it a lot.
The commercial septic system with grease traps and the whole nine hours
would probably run between $150,000 and $200,000.
They couldn't put that up there at that building.
That building would not have what it has right now
if it weren't for the sewer and the water that we are able to give them.
So I think that's a really good perspective on this is really not that bad a deal.
I know it's, oh my God.
I've got to pay this money now that I didn't think I had to pay.
But I think in the big picture, it's pretty reasonable.
They wouldn't be on that person if they didn't have sewer and water.
They could not do what they're doing in that building without sewer water.
So, Hallie, you said that, I think I heard you, that this doesn't cover the capital.
And how are you?
The commission has historically had this.
fee. It never was reassessed until, I think, about five years ago. We finally said,
oh, gee, this isn't keeping up. It's a really good deal for builders to attach to the town sewer
and the town water at $2,000. It was $1,000 and $3,000. That more even move is machined up a lot
for that much money. Exactly. And my, it's, um, but
The fact of the matter is the amount of money that is needed to keep these systems,
we don't have, even after years of connection fees or whatever you call them,
attachment fees, going into these capital reserves, we don't have a drop in the bucket.
As far as being able to fix what we've got, let alone increase, increase,
the treatment for other things that are coming down the line, like when we have to remove
that, or whatever heavy metals come into the water from the fireworks, or when that has to be
removed, who's going to pay for that? All the people who are having hardship?
Well, it sounds, you know, we have to figure out how to apply the current regulation, but then that
sounds to me like we need to revise and look at...
Well, I think it's that word, the attachment fee.
But if you look at the ordinance, it lists out what it is, why it is there.
So it's really not that unclear unless you don't read the ordinance.
We can call it the attachment slash impact, whatever you want to call it.
But it's all across the...
the country that they have to do this.
It's not something that the commissioners made up back in 2000 just to make money.
Just clarify exactly what we're discussing here.
So we're talking about increasing use within these facilities?
Yes, it's a change of use.
Change of use.
The change in the amount of flow that is going in.
Independent of the indoor or outdoor space.
Well, I think it might still have.
So I think if I have it correct.
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.
But there was an office in there and a daycare and maybe another office upstairs,
but I think there was really only the one bathroom.
It was a one unit.
Yeah.
EDUs, equivalent dwelling unit.
It was a one EDU building.
And it had one bathroom?
I don't, it doesn't matter how many bathrooms you have in your house.
Maybe.
I don't know.
But anyway, they came in last year, or was it last year or the year before,
for a, they were going to do, you know, beer tasting and maybe, I don't know,
some chips or something or whatever, pretzels or whatever.
And then last winter, why they had Fentz brought food in for Sunday brunches.
So it grew a little bit, and then now they're growing.
it a little bit more. And so they, you know, I think they spent some money to, to increase it
to the tasting value, but now they're increasing it even a little bit more.
Bar, more of a bar.
Kind of a, they have food prep now.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're, they're, I think they're selling, like, flat breads.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, I've been into, the toilet gets flushed a lot more than it would with any, you know, without the previous.
Well, beer goes right through.
Just borrow it for a little while.
So, I guess it sounds like you need to do a little more work on this.
Does the person in the audience want to speak?
If you don't mind.
Yeah, absolutely.
You can come right up here and sit.
I'm seeing you, cool. Thanks.
Dana won't bite.
Dan?
Dan.
Dana.
Oh, Dana.
I was going to say I'm Dan.
Dan.
Well, I appreciate you.
Let me say a couple words.
Just a couple things that I wanted to highlight.
So I've got two things that I'm very concerned about.
One is this conversation, so thank you for letting me just give you my thoughts.
The second is, I'll get to that in a second.
So there was a question about increase in usage.
One thing that I'd like to point out is this is all a theoretical increase in usage.
There's been no proven increase, right?
Like we're talking about projections on units.
So, to my knowledge, and correct me if I'm wrong,
I don't know if there's been a...
a study of back when this building was a daycare, and I would argue there was a comment
that, you know, the flushing of the toilets is more than any other business.
Daycare toilets flushed a lot.
So I guess I would encourage, and I appreciate that there was a statement that you're not ready
to make a decision or whatever.
You know, I appreciate that.
And I guess what I'm asking is that we take an honest look and look at that because there was
a daycare.
And while it was a daycare, there was five other businesses in there, sorry, four other businesses in there while it was a daycare.
So do we know what that, I'm guessing they had to pay an attachment fee?
Do we know, can we say confidently that the water being used today is more than that?
And maybe you can't.
Yeah, we have meters.
One question again, so we have media data.
All of this theoretical data is taken from state.
tables that show what different businesses use for water.
Her seat is 20 gallons per day. That's the septic rule.
And whether it's actually being used or not, you have the ability to use that much.
And the sewer cuts it in half. So it comes down to 10 gallons per day.
So any commission business has set stand-
And the daycare fell into a one unit for that entire building, because office space doesn't use.
And I understand that. And just to see you have background, you know, we have restaurants in two other towns.
And recently, we just physically attached, right? And I know that the wording's different.
But like, we excavated, we put in a new attachment, completely new service. It wasn't an increase.
My fee was $750.
Right.
Was that a commercial building prior?
It was raw land to commercial.
So completely new.
That town's not making anyway.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
Each individual situation can be different.
You can have a commercial building that because what it was doing commercially before didn't work for that application.
So then that sewer and water departments is kind of under the, if their rules aren't written correctly,
I kind of have to go and dig it up and change.
the service to make it work for whatever they're going to do.
And it's not necessarily, you know, something that can be, you know,
can be charged for.
So that you'd have to look at each application to see exactly what the difference might have been.
I mean, that is very, very reasonable.
And I mean, I don't know who.
It's very different than 12 grand, right?
Right.
Yes.
So, and that's, I guess that's the point I'm trying to make is there is the ability to have discretion here.
And in the other town that we have our restaurant in, we went to a brewery where we're physically brewing beer, right?
We're using a lot of water.
Our change of use or attachment fear, it was zero dollars.
They didn't charge us anything, right?
So, and we've been there for years now.
So it's, I guess what I'm saying is, you know, from my understanding, this board has discretion.
You know, and whether you want to exercise that or not, that's your discretion, right?
You know, just a couple of other things.
Actually, I guess that covered everything I had.
So I guess I'm just asking that you consider those points for this thing.
The other thing that I wanted to, and I don't know if this is the right venue for this,
but for some reason, physical occupancy, number of people in our building is being tied to the water sewer.
So we went from 99 people being allowed in our building to 75,
now to 40.
And I don't know if there's, I spoke to Holly about this, and from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong,
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it doesn't sound like this group governs physical occupancy.
It governs seats.
It's a matter of what your capacity is.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's seats.
It's absolutely no.
Well, I've been in there, and there's nowhere to, just 40.
The number of seats have been counted, right?
Right.
Right.
That's the other.
The number of the couple of age is.
So there is, I think there's misconcept.
Well, that was before I even have gone in and evaluated what's going on.
There is not all the dishwashing and whatnot that goes on with tape, with a full plate service, and that would have been an increase of double.
That's 40.
That's 40 gallons per seat per day.
Versus the 12.
Well, you can argue, like I said, there's glasses.
I was told there was no glasses, but there is.
Definitely glasses inside.
I assume they don't love them outside.
But those are being washed.
There's food prep, which has changed.
This is how this all came about, is them doing food prep.
They paid the attachment fee,
the impact fee in March of 25, so that optimistic could have 75 seats.
And I guess the point I'm...
With no food prep.
And that's inside?
It doesn't really matter.
Just telling you.
It doesn't.
I think it does.
Well, when you consider the, you've got three facilities using outdoors.
space. They all have the capability
of using as much as...
See, that's what I said. There's 55 seats
that are just thrown out the window, not even
included. And this figure.
So are we
assuming that we're not counting those?
I'm naming it up to you people.
I think that's the question.
Well, what are you envision?
What are you envision that?
What's not my...
Is this the end, or do you think it will get bigger?
That's hard to answer.
You know, I would love for it to get bigger,
right? But it really, that's a market.
driven problem, right?
Like, if we have the demand where we can't fit people in
that, based on our capacity,
then we'd love to grow.
Do we have plans to do that? Absolutely not.
Right now, we're kind of doing what we're doing.
But I think the, I might have not articulated
the point I'm trying to make.
So right now, we're being limited to a number
based on water sewer rates.
What, 75, 4, like, that piece
is irrelevant to, from the point I'm trying to make.
The fire chief gave me 99.
So the way that I interpret this
is that if I have 40 or 75, whatever the number is,
physical chairs in that building,
but I have 99 people in there,
40-seeded or 75-seeded, and the remainder standing.
From my, the way that I'm reading
everything that I've seen online that's available to me,
I should be allowed to have 90.
nine patrons inside that building.
Granted, only some of them will have
physical chairs. And I'm being told that that's
not the case, and I'm trying to
understand, because this
is important to me, right? This is our busiest time of year
and we're literally having to turn people away.
So, like, I'm...
Fire figures are based upon
Steve.
The fire department
is worried about what's safe.
No, we don't do
anything to do with occupancy. There's nothing
in the ordinance,
about occupancy.
We don't stipulate your
occupancy.
It's always been
number of seats for a restaurant.
It's based on
the state tables,
and we don't limit to anything.
We will just charge
the attachment fee.
But if you come in and I have 99 people
and whatever the number I pay for,
seats, you don't care.
I guess that's a question.
It's the number of seats
and the number of seats,
and the number of
That's the way the formula works.
But, I mean, I've been in there, and it's shoulder to shoulder.
I mean, you're obviously, you know,
doing pretty well.
I mean, it's the $12,000 that we're
trying to come up with.
You consider that too much?
Yeah.
I mean, hearing everything you guys talk about,
I understand why you're doing it, right?
But the fact of the matter is, I mean,
that's, I think a lot of you
probably have had small businesses, right?
Like, the perception versus reality
can be different things.
Like, we can be busy, and we can be
pouring lots of beer. But at the end of the day,
I have a group of employees. I have
another facility that we're brewing out of, like,
we have a lot of overhead. So
to say that, oh, yeah, I've got $12,000
in my bank account that I can just write you a check.
No, that's not going to happen, right?
Like, we're going to have to figure something out. That's not
an easy thing for me to solve.
Right? Like, for a small business of my size,
that's tough. Right, but from our
side of the seat,
the Bendelli down here,
paid money. They don't have hardly
any seats. It's just outside, and
They're, you know, the little house across the street paid the money.
So if we, if we go ahead and say, hey, optimistic, you're good, go ahead and do it, you know,
we're going to have them come bull-losing in here and want to...
Understand 100%.
Want us to know why they, we charge them that.
So that's the hard part for us.
And the other, the thing that I would also encourage you to consider, and I think you are,
is, you know, the outside seating is significant.
And my understanding, and I was mistaken, I didn't know, I thought the number mattered inside.
So our number inside is significantly lower than it is outside.
Our outside seating is viable for, I don't know, how long are you guys going to sit outside and drink beer, right?
Like four months, maybe, five months?
You know, it's not year-round seating.
So I would just ask that when you guys are thinking about this, that you consider that as well.
You know, I understand that it's additional seating and there's going to be more people flushing toilets
and making food for and all that, but, you know, it's a very limited.
So how many people total in and out can you see?
So that's what I'm trying to figure out, to be honest with you.
So inside, what I was called, nobody knows.
When I was told initially was we were given occupancy, not seats, occupancy for 99 inside.
The fire chief at the time, it's since changed, told me that outside, which includes the little covered
porch area, put as many as people as you can fit. There is no occupancy for outside seats.
Sorry, outside space, not seats.
That's a safety issue. They can, if there's a fire, they're not going to be involved in the fire.
They're going to be able to just walk a few steps back and watch and burn, but.
So, I can tell you definitively that originally the occupancy was 99, inside only, and if I
had another 150 outside, that was fine.
But the use of the facilities, water and sewer, is influenced by the total number of people, not just your indoor people.
Right.
Right.
And that has a significantly greater impact.
On that's an example.
It's a little different, but the Mexican restaurant in Newport, was owned by the town, the facility was owned by the town.
but they were on septic.
They needed a new septic that designed a new system for based on the number of seats they had.
And it was inside seats.
And then all of a sudden they expanded like crazy and they put in more than double the number of seats.
The system failed in no time.
I mean, they were overloading the system.
And the town of Newport,
owned that system.
It had to be replaced.
So it's down at the airport, correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's a little different there on a septic, but still, it's the impact to the system.
That was the issue.
And so...
It's not arbitrarily made up.
It's really an amount of it.
No, and I would have to say, even though our rules and regulations don't regulate the outside people,
our system probably sees an influence from it.
It's affected by the total.
I don't disagree, but I think it sees an impact from it four or five months a year.
Right?
So I don't think it's a one-for-one, you know, just because we have X amount of seats outside,
I would ask that you consider the fact that they're not year-round when you guys determine your feet.
Which is kind of...
That's going to have affected all the other facilities.
It's in New York figures already.
because you guys already cut in half what the state says the impact is.
So the state figures are what we use, and then you guys say,
we think it's high, we're going to cut that in half.
For indoor and outdoor, for everybody, for everything.
It's hard we don't have an instructor that's going around every week looking on the windows
to find out what's going on.
I mean, it just doesn't happen, so...
Well, I will say.
say that this is the first time in a long time I've gone around and said, what is everybody doing?
Dunkin' Donuts was way over-assessed. They were still paying whatever the rate was when Pizza
chef was in. So I've had to reassess everybody.
When a pizza chef was cleaning dishes and things like that, now they're takeout and paper
service. The pizza is pretty much the same, but it's over-assessed.
How old are you dealt without?
who were seats in the past.
They even paid attachment fees when they had, was it Jack's or Jake's coffee in the L.S.BA building?
Elton House.
They paid attachment fees and, yes, they paid for the outdoor seating as well.
If you look it up, again, online, I've already looked these things up,
negligible, a small difference, if you have outdoor seating with heaters.
I've been plenty of places, ski mountains, and whatnot, where you can enjoy the outdoors
quite a lot if there's a nice little whatever heater going.
The anchorage had the wall.
on their, what you call it, honey?
And so you could enjoy that for a lot longer.
Then you will be able to enjoy the picnic tables down by the river.
But, that's a thought.
Well, I had some cubicle off here on the deck this spring.
It looked like an ice cube thing that people gave them.
Yeah.
It's got popular during COVID.
Well, I guess what are we going to do with this?
Are we just going to let you do some more work and come back to us?
I think we should take these, and maybe we need to discuss with planning and zoning.
I believe planning and zoning is looking at us to limit whatever seating.
I don't think we've ever been the limiters of anything.
just said, gee, you have changed our, you have done this, and now you owe us this money.
And now you pay for these many units instead of that many units that you had before.
You have changed your use.
To me, too, is that there's a very different distinction between seats and occupancy.
We don't do occupancy. So, like, it feels to me, like, when I went to planning,
and then a subsequent conversation with,
I can't remember if it was Allison or Shannon or maybe both of them.
They're pointing me here for my occupancy.
And occupancy and seating are two very different things.
Occupancy is fires things.
Agreed.
Not water and sewer.
And what I'm being told, though, is that this group or the rules that this group sets is what's
determining my occupancy, and that's, that's, that's what, that's why, that's why, that's
one of the reasons I'm here.
That's, what if there's, what if there's, if there's, there's a seasonal restaurant, how would
they charge?
Is that any different?
Nope.
No.
No, based on.
The anchors was always seasonal.
And they paid year round for the three point four five units that they equivalent.
Right.
So we don't defer for the residents who are only here?
Because we don't defer for the residents who are only here.
for three weeks a year either, and they all want that break as well.
Yeah.
But the fact, the fact on that is you still have to have the infrastructure and you still have to maintain it.
Whether 75% of your residents aren't here is beside the point.
You still have to have that, and you still have to fix it, and you still have to improve it.
So, it's...
Holly, is there any provision in the RSA to charge sewer fees based on water use?
We've never done it out of town.
Yeah, no, I'm not familiar with towns that have.
We do not have meters in all of the sewer.
Yeah, that's...
You do not have town water, so you don't have a meter on your well.
And in order to put meters in the, I think,
there's like 900 sewer users who are not on the water would be...
Oh, yeah, and those are expensive meters.
It's not like a water supply meter.
So the sewer is a flat rate.
Everything is a flat rate, except for your water if you go over a certain amount.
A certain amount.
So there are, so in Enfield, for example, they want...
We didn't end up doing this for a different reason, but there are some
sewer meters that you can put in for what I consider reasonable money.
They're like, I think this one installed was going to be about $3,000.
So it would be for our building, and it had an external reading device, just...
That's what the attachment's view was.
If it came to me as a homeowner and son of it.
You're not making any money if you're spend it right now.
I feel the same way you do.
Well, we get built on sewer discharge, though, so it would have made sense where we could
if we're metering and showing...
Because when you make beer, right, like the water that you're using
doesn't go into the sewer, it is going into the beer can.
People always want to discount if they're watering their lawns and son of people.
We don't do that with sewer, so...
Sorry, I mean to get you're not being...
You're being charged for equivalent units.
So you would be whatever that says.
Right now, you're being charged for equivalent units.
being charged for two units and it would increase, I think, what I figured was...
Two point three.
No, well, the point three one is the dry goods. You're not using the water.
And it's by square foot and it's like five gallons a day for square, for a hundred square feet.
So that's where your differences in different uses.
come into the equation.
Um, 1.6 for the indoor seating and 1.25 for the outdoor.
Not counting those 55 shared seats.
So there's your discount.
Yeah.
For the outdoor seating.
So you're gone up.
Not even a full EDU.
I'm sorry, can you say this?
It was 1.6 for the indoor and one for the indoor.
Yeah.
Fifty-four seats in the indoor.
and I figured six employees, that's 20 gallons per day.
So 20 gallons per day for 54 seats and 20 gallons for six employees is 1,200 gallons
divided in half because the commission thinks that the state things are high,
is 600 gallons a day.
What was the outdoor? I'm sorry?
And the outdoor is 47 seats.
That's number eight.
940 divided by 2, so it's 470 gallons a day.
So 1.6 units, equivalent units,
because every 375 gallons a day is considered a unit.
Equivalent dwelling unit.
So the indoor seating is 1.6 80 years
and the outdoor seating is 1.25.
You're increasing the water usage by 3202 years.
by 320 gallons per day, which is then multiplied by the commercial rates for the
attachment fees of $28 per sewer and $9.24.
So to be, just so I'm understanding what you're saying, so for that 12,000 and change that
you mentioned, that would make the seating that we have today in compliance?
This attachment fee that I said of about $12,000
is what happens with that 101 seats that I counted.
So if we were to pay the $12,000, we don't have to change our seating at all,
is my question.
That's what you're seating and what you're doing now seems to...
So yes.
I'm not saying yes, this is there.
I'm interpreting the ordinance
and I am using the formulas and I'm being generous with ignoring the 55 other seats outdoors.
I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around is what am I get, if I pay $12,000, what do I get?
And I guess...
Well, there you've got to be careful because it's the property owner, really,
that is the $12,000.
And then they have that seating allowed.
allowed before they incur anything else.
But if you go changing use again and different things come into play,
Then it's looked at again.
And it's looked at again, and it might incur another $12,000.
I don't...
I don't mean to harp on this.
It's just, like, there's been a lot of numbers thrown around,
not here, right, but different committee meetings
and with some different town employees, so I'm trying to understand, like,
what we're talking about.
today and that's so that's 100-1 this commission doesn't really feel that they are making the rules for the rest of the town the problem is people interpreting the fire department's rules as the water department's rules is not it's not even apples
well we don't we don't want to get involved in zoning and planning because we don't that's not we're not going to be the policeman of how many people
who you can have standing outside in your outside venue.
That's really their issue.
I know they're trying to pass it to us, but...
Well, I think they're going to say that if this is what your water and sewer says you can have,
then you can have.
I think that's where you're there.
So if I phrase my question differently,
if we pay the $12,000 and that's what the board agrees is the right number,
and we don't change our seating,
seating, it stays at the 101, and three years from now, Holly or whoever comes down and counts the exact same number of seats,
we have no problem.
If you don't change other things.
We vote.
Sorry, if all things remain the same.
Like the food prep was a big change.
Sure.
If you're serving chips and pretzels and now you're suddenly making food, that's what alert is
the whole thing.
Sure.
So if our menu stays the same, our equipment stays the same, our seating stays the same,
our employee count stays, assuming all stays the same, we have no issues.
I would think this group would agree with that, but we have to take a vote on that,
as long as she's done doing what research she's going to do.
Yeah, the biggest thing would be if you change, if you start doing plated meals,
and you've got plates, and you're doing this, and you're doing all right.
45 employees.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm, look, this is Holly's suggestion, the, but assuming, let's say this is the suggestion, and we agree that this is right,
that you're $12,000 and you get to run your business just like you're running it today.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
That answers my question.
Thank you guys very much.
I really appreciate it.
Okay.
Thanks, Dan.
Yeah.
I guess at this point, we're going to leave that until the next meeting, possibly.
Oh.
pass the other one around?
No.
We'll revisit it or?
Is that what you'd like to do?
Do you do a little bit more research on it?
I think sit down with Allison and maybe Michael
and say, how does this affect?
It's going to affect everyone.
That means is probably going to be mad at me.
Blue Canoe is probably going to be all
weather.
Or trying to make it as fair as far as the situation.
Because.
It hasn't been reassessed in a long, long time.
Okay, well, at this point, I guess.
But at least Blue Canoe, you don't have the 55 clothing seats.
You go when you count the seats.
Well, I reduced Blue Canoe when whoever was running it last moved out and took everything, including the toilet.
Then I reduced it because Optimistic was in there.
I reduced their number of EDUs because they weren't using more than half the building to two.
And now they've really revamped end up the game in there after going in and reassessing and it's going to go back up.
Yeah, no, to me, in my mind, that's a tendency to be used.
The year round, as noted, there is no, for not being there or not using your...
Yeah, the sewer.
Unless it's an entire year.
We don't shut the treatment plan.
So do these other facilities need to be re-evaluated in as well?
That's why I went to every single one of them.
The only one I didn't get into was the smokehouse.
That's a good question.
I don't think I've ever been in.
I'm not going to say any more.
So do we need to look at each one of these?
She's already been doing that.
She's going to get together with...
Like I said, it reduced. Dunkin' Donuts went from...
Dunkin' Donuts and...
And the...
It's a chef?
No, in the binion, whatever thing.
It's really only one unit for like three.
But, you know, that's not fair.
No.
I did a study in Connecticut and we found that half of the water used by Dunkin' Donuts.
I said this is not, this needed to be...
Yeah.
They all needed to be reassessed.
Sure.
No, I think this is good.
And I think when the bend came on board,
came on board, they overstated what they were going to do.
So they paid more than they probably needed to.
But they now have that ability to do
to do other things and still come up to that two units that they paid for.
But they should be getting billed on their regular bill
at the correct number of EDU.
That's where the...
Okay, so we will kind of just table this until you have more information from you.
We'll move back up to wastewater treatment highlights.
You're on the hook.
You're on the hook.
You're sleeping?
I was, actually.
What's there?
Wastewater treatment.
Wastewater treatment.
Wastewater plant's been running pretty great.
Only one kid by.
I should have been denied one for the lower mains.
Lower Main Street.
It was stamped with red and black.
Yeah, I've only signed.
I passed two to the end.
Well, have you got two of them there?
What are the one?
He's got one here.
He's got right here.
Is it stamped?
Yep, that's got the original.
Yeah.
That's mine.
They have to sign.
So he says nothing.
That's not been signed, but you have a sign.
This is.
Well, it was denied, but you guys have signed as denied.
It works for me.
It gets me off the hook.
So, the plant's been running very nicely.
Brian's been doing a great job with that.
Water is super clean going out.
Crazy ball.
I've never seen it as clean as it is.
We want to do a good job that way.
Centifuge was running today.
We are still having problems with a baron overheating.
Got on the horn with it.
on the horn with the GEI guys and they're due to come and help put the new bearing in that next week.
That's what it happens because it still got slunch to me.
That's been working.
Steve nursing along.
Steve's nursing it along.
We had an air hose blowing air on the bearing to keep it cool today.
And that's been working.
I was, I was out of class all.
I was out of class all day, so I didn't see that happen.
But when I got there this evening,
perhaps we could put water on there would be easier on a lot of stuff.
And we may have a change that for tomorrow.
We'll see what happens.
But all in all, plants been running well.
We did clean the siphon chamber up here at the river.
the river yesterday, the morning.
I changed some of the steel piping that comes off the top of the domes.
It had been rotted in the past and we changed them
eight years ago, something like that.
And I noticed the last time that they were plugged up.
And so I bought stainless steel pipe to put in it that we did yesterday.
The grease wasn't crazy.
It wasn't crazy, but there was grease in there.
And we washed it all out and vacuumed it out.
We were able to get the Vactor back there in the upper parking lot.
It would be a pain to get in there to get past the all the going on.
It would be, yeah, it would be a challenge to get back there.
But as long as I got that upper driveway, we're in fine shape.
So could I make a point at this point?
at this point. So working with delivery on changing their parking up there.
And I talked to the Heritage Commission about setting a specific easement
for him to actually run that truck back in their parking lot to do that.
And it's specifically for that.
It's not going to affect the 15 foot right away.
Right, I was just going to ask that.
For construction.
Yeah, that's all that's all.
always going to be. This is strictly for maintaining and pumping
siphon chamber on a temper, on a sequential basis.
There was a couple of cars in there and it wasn't as easy as I wanted to do
and I was out in the middle of the parking lot with a truck but it's not a big deal.
It sucks it up though. We needed two pieces of hose.
It made a big deal.
Well, I will bring up this.
it would be a big deal.
If something needed to happen and there's that stage and there's all that stuff,
it would be a lot of disruption and hate and discontent going on.
I am.
Absolutely to fix the sewer.
That stage is right on the easement?
Yes.
Yeah.
And there's a swing set there too.
And that would have to get bulldozed out of the way.
But the chance of something happening to the pipe
where you have to get in a CD.
Perhaps something could happen to the siphon chamber itself
where we'd have to go here with the tractor or something,
but for the most part, we're fine.
I told you.
The 10 don't rate anyway.
Yeah, the 10 don't rate anyway.
Go to the bank tomorrow is a little bit.
All right.
So the bank.
for to be walked around some of these manholes out on the on this upper end and he's
looking like he was going to be mid-July before he could get in and rehab
handholds in this upper head.
I think it'll be fine.
The guy...
Now, is the town talk to you about stuff they're going to do?
Because I noticed on Guarnedill Road, they've got a section of that road,
big safe.
Yeah, I saw that too.
I saw that too.
So I don't know what they're doing.
That's all I know about it.
Nobody said anything what they're doing.
There is at least one manhole.
Yes, there's a manhole there that might have to have something done to it.
And have they told you where they're going to go?
They haven't said nothing.
No.
So the cybersecurity thing, overwatch people have been coming to do the cyber security stuff at Harbor Hill.
and they got some stuff in place now.
A firewall is in place and I think it's working.
I think it's working because I can't get into it anyway.
Must be working.
But they're due to come down to the wastewater plant in the near future to install firewall.
The instruments guy was at the plant conversing with them to try and make everything work.
And I had him do the...
the into the system some stuff so that we could manipulate the plant a little differently
as what the original energy audit guy wanted to see.
So now that was part of the solar array stuff.
You have to do this before we'll give you the money.
So he's in there making that happen.
He started last week and I haven't seen him back, but I'm sure they're busy.
I'm sure they're busy.
At pump station one generator, things have been running well.
Our systems, our flows are picking up as we expect.
John said it was 115,000 gallons today at Harbor Hill.
I've seen it as high as two on 4th of July, but so it isn't up there yet, but it's going to happen.
The well site is running well.
That's around 30.
35,000 a day, which is up a little bit, and typically it's, it, I've seen that at 60,000 gallons a day.
So it's not, we're not crazy.
Things are going along.
No indication of well problems right now.
Things are well.
Yeah, I think that's what I got for you guys.
Is there, uh, maybe an old and new business.
Malcolm got grade two.
grade two waste water treatment and grade two water treatment.
Yes, past.
OIT because he hasn't got time.
Yeah.
Very good.
What's the story with the solar array?
I can talk more about the solar array.
It's our favorite subject.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's actually moving along.
We have.
We had.
authorization to award the contract to revision energy with the stipulations that no real construction
can happen until the environmental review is complete and revision has to get the P-E stance
plans also approved by DES.
Before the loan.
loan. The loan has been signed. It's at governor and council.
I think they're expecting it maybe to get through that late July.
And then they can really move along with the environmental review.
If that gets finished, I just had to make a few changes there.
Dave had to measure some trees and such.
and such, but I think all in all, notice to proceed was issued, contract was signed,
the deposit was sent.
It's been sitting here since you guys approved it back in the end of March,
in hopes of the contract being signed, so we did in the meeting signed.
We did in the meeting.
time have to pay another $3,500 that would have been taken out of the deposit.
We had to pay that forever sources. I don't know what they called it.
Something.
Yeah, something like that.
Capacity or allocations or something.
Yeah.
So where they did, so you guys are right,
you guys are like on your own if this governor has approved this and I said I think we understood that going forward we're just hoping to get them.
It took me a whole day I had to take a pipe tape out and measure around each one of the little trees.
What's the average size of the trees that are up there?
Took me a whole day.
That would take them out.
Do you use that?
No.
I stood back and look.
They look like 12 inch trees.
on the street.
I don't think anybody went to the consultation with the planning board.
We will need to have an official site plan review.
I did sit with the planning board.
Yes, but that was just a consultation.
There really has to be a real site plan review with them.
I think when you were there, was it the 11th?
The 11th?
Was it the 10th or the 11th?
Something like that.
That was the deadline to get into July's meeting.
So July's meeting will be the deadline to get on their agenda for August.
I want to note that and not skip the getting in the queue.
Well, I mean, we've got to wait for plan.
We've got to wait for plans from revision and things like that.
But she was at that meeting.
Megan was there and Dave was there.
Yeah, we don't want to miss the federal.
No, we want to get things.
The whole project has been.
Stuff's been way out front and way behind.
Trying to keep up.
Getting quotes together.
Malcolm's been working at getting quotes for the van.
The hindrance is that we need something low enough for
to fit in the garage.
And the box fan that we have just barely fits.
And they don't make them anymore.
They're all installed.
So we've been promised somebody's been checking into it.
So we're working on it.
So far, they're around 70,000.
I got a Ford number for
47-965 and the Chevy is 5293.
That was a good.
We've got too high roofs, so they're not going to work, and maybe the lower one will be cheaper.
Any of the Eurovans are going to be taller.
Yeah.
They seem to build those narrow and tall.
Right.
Like Mercedes are those.
Right.
They're probably not in the price rate anyways.
Right.
Well, it would be nice to have a Mercedes.
Yeah.
Yeah, we're going to get a new garage.
Yeah, we're going to get in a garage.
Yep.
I want to get out in the budget.
It is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just put smaller tires on it.
You get those shocks.
You know, the slow-lighter cars.
You can't come up in the garage.
You put a notice on the dash.
You have to be sure to lower unit before entering.
So I do have to come in.
So I do have the ERs, our C-Dars, our Renews,
next week.
that I think another six months for 3.49% with an APY of 3.55.
Those funds in C-DAR's accounts.
You want tonight?
Done.
Tonight.
And then I'll invite tomorrow.
Go ahead.
So the motion is that you want us to approve
renewing the C-D-D-R account
at six months.
Six months.
I love to renew the CDF-C-DAR accounts for six-month period.
Second.
Second.
You don't give me much interest, but that's better than some.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
There's been more discussion on that.
All those in favor,
since I was saying aye.
Aye.
Aye.
Nensions.
No.
Next monthly meeting is July 30th.
I could have.
I sold my house.
That means
I'm only around for a couple.
So I'll be here for the
August
July.
No, I mean, not for the
office.
So I guess I have to resign.
You could fly in once a month.
Yeah.
They can do it on Zoom, like that.
Yeah.
One thought I had was
to re-appoint somebody like Jimmy Williams
to take over, for me for the remainder of my
term.
I think you can.
You guys do whatever you do.
That was a thought I had.
That would be right.
Yeah.
You already knows the system.
Yeah.
That'd be good.
Yeah.
But we'd have to check on.
If he's willing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably, if that's something you guys want to go follow through,
if somebody should approach him and ask him if he's interested.
Yeah.
Before we make him.
I wouldn't have to leave it up to him.
No.
Don't.
You back on?
That's right, Dana.
No, it's not.
You can't refuse.
I don't want to fight, though.
I don't want him coming here and taking out to
make him.
I mean, we can figure that out.
I mean, we can figure that out.
I had two things on.
The other thing, which is a bit of work,
the mountain and the wastewater contract for
the feasibility has been awarded, Westland and Samson's engineer.
So they're going to study several alternatives.
One of which, they've got three alternatives.
One is to go to subsurface.
The other is one that they continue to spray.
The third alternative is to tie in to
set up, go down the rail line
to the pump station and dial.
That pump station
we need to be increased.
But, so that alternative is out there.
They should be talking to us in looking at that alternative.
Because one of the things that I'm concerned about is
that involves the state and veil.
We have an intermissible agreement in one.
Those are complicated to begin with.
But when you add the state and a private entity in,
in another municipal,
being Newberry, it gets complicated.
But what's the attachment fee for that being?
Yeah.
Start coming soon.
I am.
So I was at the hearings when they discussed this,
and I actually represented in LHPA at that point,
but I had identified myself.
I was very concerned about the legal implication.
I discussed it, and the commissioner,
and now we understand it's very complicated.
It's very complicated, but we want to keep it in as an alternative.
So they left it in, and that's something that...
Is there any way the state could mandate that?
Well, I don't know.
But number one, the state has no money.
So in looking at how they address things with bail,
they just passed an amendment.
There was a meeting up there, the 23rd.
The advisory committee passed an amendment
I asked an amendment that basically said,
Dale, we're notifying you that you are a responsible entity here,
and we want you to participate,
because the lease agreement was a little unclear
as to who owns the house there,
and who's the responsible entity.
And when I look at it as if I was renting a house
and the septic didn't function,
but who's the responsible entity?
The owner of the house,
which is the state.
Well, the state is being very careful here.
Well, the problem I see with the rail trail is you're going to have to find out
because it's not allowed, it's been turned over to the homeowners.
Right.
So I don't know that it's just like you can just grab it.
It's more complicated.
There's a lot of coordination.
Because, I mean, you go from the traffic circle,
you know, down to Mountain Dew Lake and the other side of Mountain Dew Lake,
that house is built in that rail trail.
Sure.
You're not going to...
So I can't imagine what the rest of it hasn't been turned over to the homeowners too.
And they just, the Snowville Club gets used to use it because it's nobody building any houses on it yet.
Yeah, yeah.
Just to even complicate that a little bit more.
So LFPA had a study done recently, which I think we listened to on Mountain View Lake
and how the soil resources around Mountain View Lake is not great for supporting expansion of those.
expansion of those systems.
So one of the recommendations of the consultant that did that study was to look at
tying into them.
Yeah.
Which Mountain View Lake is a son of you property.
That's a little different story and that, you know,
there's some rationale to time and end.
But you've got to be really careful here.
All the way down the rail trail, everybody would have to.
They'd have to.
They'd have to.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's not going to be.
Yeah.
So I just want you to be aware that this thing is growing.
Morphing, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, of course, a lot of the houses on Mountain New Lake have got all new systems.
True.
Because they've already been kind of built out.
There's not many left that haven't been built out.
True.
True.
But there are holding tanks there too.
Oh, yeah.
So.
Well, say it again, you could fly in maybe every two months.
Yeah.
Why do you think he's leaving?
You know what I hear, I hear some law firms going to make a lot of money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this whole thing is very complicated legally.
You know, just the amount of them failed.
Not forget, just the next thing.
The other issue is going to be digging along the edge of Route 11 where that railroad
comes up.
Route 11 is the state DOT.
The DOT is very sensitive about what you can do around their area.
Yeah.
Vail will pay the penalty and be gone.
Well, and so, yeah, if things don't work out in terms of a reasonable approach,
I mean, Vail, the way the lease is set up, but they can walk away.
Right.
And that doesn't solve a problem with the mountain.
I mean, the problem with the mountain is they got a system that's cancer.
a system that's antiquated and it was put in between 1960 and 1970 and those standards,
whatever they follow don't even like that.
Right.
You know, that system is, by today's standards, is way out.
You wouldn't get it permitted today.
No.
So it's something to, my concern is that somebody like Weston and Samson
and will track this thing right along, and if they don't even talk to us,
which could happen.
You know, all of a sudden, there's a...
And I don't believe the study is supposed to recommend a particular alternative.
They're presenting several alternatives and the costs and the implications of each,
but they don't make, I don't believe they make the decision.
And this study, it's supposed to be a $100,000 study,
and it was supposed to have been completed by June.
That's not...
Wow.
came back and said, no, we're not talking 100,000, we're talking 237,000.
Yeah, I was going to say that's not even.
So the state's trying to figure out, I mean, they're taking the money out of some of the DES funds
and some other things that they have, but they don't have a lot of money.
No.
No, but they have the power, that if something comes along and they go,
some of he's going to have to take this, we probably can't say no.
Well, that's a good question.
That's my question. If they figure out the gallons per day or whatever usage,
and our plant will accept that amount, it's not built to accommodate it.
Do we have to accept it?
Do we have to add on to our treatment plan?
Well, you see the federal government and the state,
federal government and the state provided the money
for the initial system to go in here, you know, 90, I don't know how many percentage of it.
95% was paid for nine.
and Sunday paid five.
Yeah.
I don't know.
So they get, and when they, and when they did it,
they had a lot of their fingers in the design of this.
That's why the plant was way too big,
because they already had it in the back of their head that New London was coming here.
Mm-hmm.
We just didn't advertise that.
Yeah, yeah, you've got to be really careful in the state of New Hampshire.
Oh yeah.
Yeah, because they could...
Do we know what the ADF is for the mountain?
The average nearly full?
Yeah.
That's part of the study, is they're trying to determine that
because the numbers,
it's kind of all over the place.
Yeah, no, I...
But, so here, there's an issue with the capacity of those lagoons.
So meanwhile, Vale has an initiative that they're going zero waste.
So they went from...
So they went from using paper plates to using washable plates,
and they're washing all these plates, so they're wastewater flow.
All of a sudden, he's jumping.
You know, and here I go, Jesus, you got a wastewater issue.
Why?
You know, even though...
Vail has these national initiatives and it's everybody.
Yeah.
You know, but I go, you've got to look at the specifics here.
It doesn't make sense if you to, you know, increase your water.
You know, waste water.
You've got problems with leaking legumes.
Right, problem is when they have a wedding over there, people don't want to eat off the paper plate.
That's right.
Lack of communication, I'd say on that.
So just, you've got to be leery of wow.
Yeah.
Thanks for the warning.
Yeah.
I still think Wayne's got a good idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you're going to move into Indian Cave.
What's that song?
Oh, my friends.
But you don't go.
Yeah.
We don't go.
Yep.
I know what it was going for sale.
Well, we will certainly miss you, and I hope you enjoy yourself out there.
You know, your kids are out there closer, so...
I should have done this ten years ago.
You know, as you get older, it's pretty more.
It's a lot involved.
There's a lot involved.
You know, 37 years of living in one house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So, yeah.
So we're a frantic at this point.
Go one eight hundred junk.
Rosa Springs?
Well, the problem is healthcare out there is so poor.
You know, so that's why we're focusing in Washington
because healthcare facilities are a little bit more nearby.
Yeah.
He pretty much Adam going to stay there.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to spend part of my time with Pagosa.
But the other one?
Adam buy the property.
And I'll render from it.
Okay, well, if you guys are good, then we need to vote to adjourn.
Boats to adjourn.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
There you go.
All right.
Well, I'll see ya.
Do that.
Yeah.
I guess I've got a time of heat back on.
I had a lot of this.
The council is probably
a
connection.