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ABS Meeting Sep 9 2026

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for the four people watching that's right no this is going to be heavily heavily televised
i think okay i'm going to call the albany sleptman's meeting for september 9th 2026 to water
if you please rise and join me in the pledge allegiance to the flag of united states of america
and to the republic which will stand is one nation under god and in the normal with liberty of justice for all
thank you very much in the interest of everyone's valuable time i'd like to move the discussion
with the people present um to the front and before anyone speaks if you could just give us your name so lisa has it for the record
unless you already have no you did okay great oh we should do it anyways for the video yeah if you were just before at least the first time to speak and this is in regards to the use of the sandwich beach for the ferncroft residents
and before we start i want you know we did try we did for my and i'll just give you a little bit of history of what we did since we got this
um we wanted to attend a sandwich meeting to discuss it with this letter i couldn't get on the agenda so i finally got a call from the chairman chairman chairwoman and she said that there's just no way to reverse it and she said it was never the deal and she said the reason being from what i understood is
there's been a lot of people using the beach and in an effort to slow down the traffic and the use of the beach someone in the sandwich office I don't know who it was suggested that the permits don't cover I don't know how all of a sudden like that this happened I don't know who what was the traffic situation I think
there was traffic everywhere there for a while i think this has a lot to do with the whole covid and like rick was saying i think everything went a little crazy and they looked for some way to control kirk hill it and i think that we were put on the chopping walk um i asked if there was some way to renegotiate they basically didn't want to hear it i hit a brick wall we talked to our road agent curtis callman um
if there was some reason that we could negotiate that we need the beach to be part of this deal but they're not getting extra out of it we're saying they we would get out of something more but we don't have more to give we plow with a certain stretch of road and this is what it's worth to them is giving up the dump but not the beach so unless you guys want to stay something i'm going to open the floor to uh
no i did um when i reached out as well i'm the town administrator lisa hans i reached out to their town administrator
um and she said the same thing basically they just have too many people someone in the office realized that a long ago these dump stickers
also serve the beach and that they never meant to have the one of lancet residents have beach access this is what she told me
um i offered you know can we make a deal can we negotiate absolutely not i got the same
restaurants as kelly they just will not play ball with us on this one you want to say something
right before we yeah in 2019 we had a meeting up at the chapel um that meeting with the
subject was brought up and i thought we had clarified it we had researched it back then um i know i spoke
with steve knox because he was still around um and he remembers it being a swap for plowing and
maintaining the sandwich ferncroft section in exchange for the people out there who are mostly seasonal
people at the time uh to use the solid waste facility or the dump or whatever you want to call it um
and it's in the minutes of that meeting um and is the minutes over there yeah i mean they're in the
minutes of the meeting curtis was at the meeting um and that's what we understood it was a
question at that point though it was somebody asked about it and we researched it we couldn't find
anything in writing you know it was back in the old days everything was done on a hanshry that's the way in the hampshire
okay everybody remembers it but they only remember it was a swap for the dump for
so on the road so i don't remember it quite like that so i remember it and i was up in the road
since 96 so i remember it as if we would plow that section they would give us a sticker they would give
the residence a sticker i don't remember it being dumped sticker being in the whole sandwich beach
overloaded is nonsense it's just nonsense i have a house 500 feet from that beach so i don't know what
they're doing i don't know what i don't know what it is but you know so but you know we have as a town
plow that road for 30-something years 35 years so i mean it's a for the sandwich to plow
that road just set 500 feet i mean in those 35 years they weren't spent 6070 80 000
right easily so it was always my when when i took this role and i asked my and i asked my brother about
because he was the road agent before i was and then asked my father but he's doesn't he's he's all the way and doesn't
remember it and uh you know it was never i never got like look we could use a solid waste facility
was there i would plow it and they'd give us a sticker so for 35 years they suppressed and gave us a sticker and
didn't really nitpick about it just in the last few years they got the sticker or said it was only valuable
for the solid waste which to me it's like solid waste is the only thing that costs you money parking vehicles
same speech for two hours doesn't do anything but whatever that makes too much sense but anyway
you know so i don't know maybe the minutes say that but i as a road agent in this capacity
never heard that i always heard that we got a sticker and that's why i did that so i poured through the minutes
the old books from the 90s the book from 1991 is on the table i bumped by every mention of this deal
and if you look at it it says transfer station
but it was never relayed to me that all the information i could get second hand okay
because i wasn't around back then was it was for the dump sticker yeah see i never that was
never relayed to me no bore that that i can remember every ounce of documentation that we can find
would be uh quite just interject something from the peanut gallery and i was not present
these discussions and thanks to this explanation my name is tom lee by the way that was excellent i really
really appreciate that i feel the way informed now i really appreciate their comments um plainly sandwich
itself interpreted it is just a sticker exactly the way you say it and we've been getting these stickers
forever since the steel and the dump was called out for the precise reason several what you've said
namely is the cost factor it's what does in the current expense for the time of sandwich no one was ever concerned with the
22 people who houses up the road seasonally we're going to the bobbles each you know five times a year
we've overloading the parking lot this is a back-going effort to cut off rights because they have some be in their
on it's nothing more or less than that it doesn't mean it's easy to disprove their assertion or that anyone
left to do it but it's just an unfair case unfairness or just too bad well you also got to understand too bad well you also got to understand too
in all towns select boards change with elections
attitudes change ideas change personal agendas change and who knows what's going on over there
right now i don't know you said it's going like it changed over the years and they have
well that was one of the complaints that i think we had at one of the complaints that i think we had
at one of our meetings out at the chapel was uh potholes but we we we we
we left that meeting that people out at want to answer have to communicate with us so we can get the word
road buttholes now yeah yeah you know you know you know we could get to the road agent to you know to get them
fixed let me fix something you don't know me did i want to keep this as orderly as they can um jim did
do you have something you want to no because i'm i'm pretty new with this i've been living all the all my life but as far as this topic i only
know the history that we've read that i've read um i guess i look at it as sandwiches being
petty for whatever reason it just seems like you said 22 people and out of those 22 people
how many would really use the beach rights or whatever um i think it's a pretty small amount and i don't
understand why they would do that but like rick said the covid changed a lot of stuff and i feel i feel for it i feel
for it and i don't know what the well and the problem is is that we have maintained that road
and cloud it for 35 years so in i've dealt with countless issues on that road for years
and so they put no value that's kind of what pisses me off is there there's no value in it and they just
uh whatever there's albany they're not a lot of anymore so to me i mean i i i i i uh
i would you know that's why i offered a go to a meeting because you know i think it's nonsense
and i i think they're they're they're treating albany poorly so at least bare minimum as a
someone that's dealt with us a lot i think we should rather let's saying that because i get the
phone calls and all that but that's the easy way out because there's no right to know there's no
nothing it's not in front of the it's not in front of the camera it's not in front of anything
and it doesn't establish someone's position on something so if they're going to say okay albany
you paid you spent the last 35 years plowing this road and maintaining it and plowing to the end like
you agreed we've given you a sticker the whole time post-covid because yeah samuiche was a little
busy during covid because everybody came north but whatever and we had the same problem on firm
cropper road we was parking along the road to go to the hiking trails we had to deal with that i got
that put signs up and deal with the sheriff's department and we had to deal we had that
everywhere you know but we've done all that for 35 years so it's just wrong i don't care
what the you know we can find in the minutes we can do it it's just they have given us a
sticker and we honored the thing and then they changed it after the fact based on
whatever literature they could find so legally they would go
what they find and legally we from what we found we don't have a leg to stand on as far as fighting
so i guess my question would be for you guys who came in here what's what you see as a solution what's
your end goal what's your game thank you so just for the record uh tom rough and he spoke
and thank you for uh doing all research on it um i would uh just kind of start by begging you all for all that
versus you guys something in the terms of reaching out and um i think that at weekend we were so on time we had an extended
discussion about the history of what the secession movement and was around at the time that the
real was reached and that as was i a young doctor after diagnosed but going back the answer is it was always a
There was no, you know, hat sticker, park sticker, it was a stick.
That was what the deal was what we all understood it to be.
That would, we all got to go to the models, and we got the document for 30-something years, of course, of how we were related to each other, just wore out,
but you understand.
Someone now is in which wants to act like they're right clever and, you know, kept the sticker,
you know, kept the sticker, the corner off the sticker and you interpret it.
I don't think that, you know, we've been talking about this, like, you know, from a legal perspective, and what the down to do and all that.
But the bottom of my is, is that that's not going to solve any problems, and it's going to just kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of creating more on the side shelf when ideally, I think, I think, I think that would be, you know,
the town to help out the people that our front of town that is stranded 25 miles away from the town.
And so rather than bringing their hands too much about it, one thing that I would suggest that would be, at least something to think about, would be approaching Camar.
Um, actually, I've already reached out to, I don't know, whether the team of the selection, to entering into, and so that we could be able to, like, the agreement that would have at least some values or ordinance that would have, at least some values that it doesn't give us to one way, but it's not a question.
In that conversation, we, Albany has a value to the agreement that stand, I would assume as far as far as far as we, we,
reason we made that agreement is plowing burn crop and the turnaround and all that.
Yeah, I mean, it's not quite a turnaround, but it's just kind of we turn around, it's kind of, we turn around, it's kind of, we turn around work again.
So, I mean, if we would pull out of that agreement, does that affect our, or? Well, then theoretically, it's kind of a funky road.
So the first section of furne crop is Tamworth, as soon as you kind of get to the bridge, it's Albany, and then you get your right up to, right after the road to go.
go to the trailhead, it's, it's, it's sandwich.
So theoretically, you could stop there.
So theoretically you could stop there and then sandwich would have to come out and plow.
Right.
Sandwich is the closest road to there.
It costs them. It would be annoying.
My question was, do we stick with this agreement and do you use sandwiches transfer station?
And we kind of deal with Tamworth as far as beach rights?
And I, I think,
I think that all options are enabled.
I think it may be more convenient just to put the kind of big sandwich and just going with Tamer.
Let me.
My only follow is the road.
That was one of the reason.
I'm sure we could switch.
I'm sure there could maybe or possibly be a discussion
with Damark about the first section.
Okay.
In exchange, you know.
Well, that's what I was going to do.
How could we do this without getting it in the budget?
Is where I'm going with it.
If that would be ideal, if we could get the same type of debt.
Believe me, I would love to,
we were going to play hardball and who needs it more.
And it seems like sandwiched and us needed about the same.
But if we can get Tamworth involved, I'd love the cut of home.
I think it could be a .
I didn't realize that section of road that Tamrith might come into play.
Well, the chapel that we used to meet at is an actual Tamer.
Yeah.
Am I correct?
They have been very sensitive towards us in this.
You know, there's it.
It may just be something that you could just do an even swap or if there's some money instead
they're going into the budget and you're doing that maybe.
There's, I remember back going to get my dad going and you buy a Sandburg sticker and you buy a sandwich sticker
and it was like a complete piece and that was just what he did.
Yeah.
So we've got to be some way that, at least for the current top of presentation.
Something could be worked out and that's all that's all we're really here.
we're really here to do is to see if you guys to help us.
We want to.
And where our hands get tied is we can't spend the whole town's money to buy beach rights for a crime.
We just, they won't.
Honestly, that would have to go to a town meeting for everyone to vote on it.
I don't see it past them.
So if we can get a tip-for-tap swap, it's the ideal situation.
If it doesn't cost them.
the town money, it's awash, and everybody's good.
We're frugal.
Oh, we're frugal with your money, your pay taxes, too.
Everyone isn't going to benefit from it, except for you guys, which,
as much as I like the idea, I just as the town thing.
Yeah, I think the concept is the important thing of trying to want something out
in terms of the money, I don't speak for all.
and the president, but I think ideally,
you just swap, that's great, but there's some money that you have to be paid by
to tell with people for that sector, you know, on top of the swap.
There's rule for negotiation.
Right.
I mean, I don't, we're not coming here asking the money, but we're coming here as in for years and support.
Oh, you have it.
And where would there be tried to be?
Would it be on Chikora?
I'm sorry?
It will be on Chikoro Lake.
Well, there's already public access on Chikoro.
There is a typical public as well.
But it's no different than the public access.
So there is another, because it's really not worth to get beach rights when there's a private
public beach rights next door.
We're not gaining much.
There is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not really.
And without getting too complicated, obviously, we don't want to cut off what limited rights we have and,
you know, while the coyote, basically off the cliff.
So it may be a situation where we preserve the sandwich dump access and you end up getting
if Tamworth is not willing to conquer anything.
After all, they're pretty close.
It's easier for Tamwold.
That's actually confirmed from that is for Sandwich.
Yeah.
It's a state road.
Well, the state plows.
It's 18.
It's a pain for them too.
Maybe not as big of pain.
Yeah, I haven't.
I mean, the Rob, they, Tamarth used to plow for a crowd 10 years ago.
So when John Roberts is a road, Richard's, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, that's, there's a lot of, there's some discussions.
Before we even go down that road, there's some discussions.
Yeah, obviously.
It's a little bit of, it's a little bit too.
It's a little bit too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm only, I defer to all of you, I refer to all of you who are the experts on bigger.
I'm only saying, I want to elaborate with Tom Rao was saying at the end.
No one wants to affect the ultimate budget and no one wants disparate treatment and benefits
other people are getting.
So backstopping this is that if you can even achieve, you can achieve an option of Tamworth, where
there is a payment and move taxes and people can pay for the permit and done rights.
done rights.
People can opt into that or not.
There's the fallback of Sandwich, which is an existing agreement.
And if you're paying X dollars to have the TAMBOR's access,
that's potentially fine to people.
There's a lot of different ways to extend the gap.
We're just coming as you and your help and the information with the table.
You can understand to reach out to the table and have a description to.
Go ahead.
I'd make a suggestion that we send an official letter to sandwich selectmen from this board requesting.
I think we did, didn't we?
We did not.
No, you went over yourself to do it.
I'm saying from this board to meet directly with their board and give them the last option to bail on it.
And then do the same thing with Tamworth.
Let's get our backup in place.
kind of first because they may say, all right, but we're not going to do anything.
We're all done.
And then you don't have a number.
Once word gets out that we're talking with Camworth, they could be shut off right away.
They could watch this tonight.
We could be shut off, so not that they're going.
You know what I mean?
I'd hate to see that.
Yes, too.
Okay?
Because that'll affect the whole group of people that are in Ferncroft.
Well, I mean, you might, this might be the agreement, even the modified one that they're
modified one that they have might be the best agreement you go out.
Correct.
So you might, there's a little bit of homework needs to be done for you.
I would think for anybody who makes any.
That's just as a citizen, not the road agent.
You know, because I think this,
because I mean, number one, I got to see it,
just off the top of my mind, I mean, I think it's pretty similar cost structure
for the tenant Albany to plot the first section on the back side of that.
Right, right.
To stand more interested in that.
They might be like,
no, we got to do this and this so we're down anyway.
It really doesn't do us anything.
That section is rougher, you know.
So, you know, it's a little bit to that, but, you know,
there's a lot of questions to be answered before that even could.
And I would highly suggest that whatever we do, we get at least an MOU.
Well, that's common now.
It's not.
You know, but, I mean, you know, what's our first move?
You know, should we make an official request?
If they send it back and said, we're not interested in talking to you,
then let's move on.
And if they...
You know, I'm just afraid...
I'd be just afraid that if you started going to Tamworth to talk
and they found out about it, is it going to affect you?
We have no written agreement.
Yeah, I don't know.
Personally, since there's no written agreement, all this is just going to
all of this is just kind of a good faith.
It is.
It is.
It is.
It is.
So, if you're going to be so petty,
and it's the cut-out part because they hear that people are trying to
positive.
I don't want to say anything on the record, but
I'd be possible.
Anything is possible.
So what would you prefer, if you have the choice between,
would you prefer a camera?
Yes, yes.
Is that the judge?
The general consensus of everybody up there, though.
I mean...
The people who were participating in this call for eight or ten, that was the unanimous consensus,
but if you want us to get kind of informal poll there.
Yeah, because we talked to John yesterday, and he didn't really care because he owns land in Tamworth,
and he's covered.
Yeah, I mean, Tamworth is going to be closer anyway, so I...
Tamworth is very protective over the pond, so they've been.
on, so they're going to make sure they're willing to let more people there too.
Yeah.
Especially...
Yeah.
Yeah.
We had access, it spoke camera pan sandwich, so we've always had access to,
but it's not like there's going to be a need or you want something to visit.
Yeah, but since everybody's moving up here, since COVID, it's been a real problem.
Yeah.
Everywhere, everybody's...
I know the kind of fur crop and people have parked all the way up it in the trail,
and then mom.
So it has...
We had the grandkids of the number of weeks this summer,
and we were at Parachample, a lot.
And the Bucking Rock was never pulled.
It's a pretty small part.
I'm sorry.
I've talked...
I haven't been there in a reason.
I suspect that you're talking about a dozen
six years.
It's not a big number.
It's involved, but it's important to the people
to the people that would be able to have.
I feel before we burn a bridge, we should see if we have an option,
and at least put a failure out there to see if Tamworth is an option.
And if it's not an option, we're going to play nice.
Because we can't lose.
Well, you guys already talked to someone in Tamworth, I thought, right?
We sent a letter.
I'm happy to send the...
You did that.
It was in the email that I had forward to you guys, but that you
talked with this letter.
Does that leave her preface?
Say something?
Yeah.
It sounds right.
And she had you immediately opened,
and she thought of a stand,
but then she said to you apologize.
You're not getting to it and said that she wanted to talk to me.
And she wanted to talk to us to talk to all me to see and, you know, like all of me.
Thought about it.
So they have a little bit of a heads off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But before I got back to Leanne and said, yeah, this is something,
in some area at the town where you want to take up one that comes to the town and get you for some point in front.
Well, I think we've got to put our feelings on a little bit.
I think probably Richard would be a good guy to see if the road's an option,
regardless of you think.
Before we go to the top and to meet with this electmen, I'd like to have what we want.
Yeah, you've got to get electmen down there to agree with that too.
Then it's not even worth to, well, we'll still put it out there, but we'll still put it out there.
we won't have an argument or a plan.
So it's going to take a little bit.
Yeah, I said this is, not the emergency, but it's something that would be really huge.
I appreciate your time.
Yeah.
But I think it's important for the board to know that, I mean, we have spent tens of thousands of dollars honoring that agreement over many years,
and then they've changed the agreement.
So, I mean, I know.
I mean, you know, you know, that's why I, right, I, that's why I suggested, given one last attempt.
So.
Select board to select board.
Yeah.
Okay.
And ask for a meeting face to face.
Yeah.
Who's it worth more to?
The deal.
Oh, it's pretty.
Pretty good.
Well, you know, I guess you'd have to get numbers on what are the households, trust is worth.
I mean, obviously that's very available.
available.
I mean, that's not something I know.
But I mean, we spend a couple thousand, I mean, they would spend a couple thousand dollars a year
bare minimum firing that section in sandwich.
So if we've done it 35 years, $70,000.
Okay.
That's why, to me, this is all just crazy.
It's like, by I would just like on a sandwich, I would never even be a concern.
This wouldn't even be a thought of mine.
I mean, but sandwich is sandwich.
Yep.
Yeah, so it's a tax, you know, it's a very highly taxed town.
town. So in Albany's a very low time. I think we kind of do things a little bit more
streamlined to where the little town we are. But that being said, I still feel like
they're not honored. And I do, like I said, I'm in that area,
sometimes quite a bit, and I kind of don't understand the concern. So that us don't see it.
So I don't know what the deal is.
it is here, but we have spent tens of thousands of dollars on our agreement.
This is why I suggest we start with a beating face-to-face, select board to select board.
I'd send them a letter certified to get assigned for it.
And we expect an answer back, give them a deadline for an answer.
And every year we go and we plow that road, and every year, the residents of that road,
get a sticker.
So every year that happens, every year we go to town, we vote, and, and in the residents of that road,
and vote on our operating budget,
and there's parts of that in operating budget
that are based on those agreements.
I don't care if they're on the back of my tailgate.
It's still an agreement.
Yep.
And they know it.
So at least on the town side,
I want them to say they no longer are providing by that agreement.
I want to hear that face.
I want to hear it.
So then we can make decisions going forward.
going forward on the road
I would invite them to a meeting either here or we'll go over there.
I'm not going to come here.
We'll go there.
No big deal.
Oh yeah, make them answer it.
We need to seriously talk about this situation.
Because like I said, I don't remember it just being transfer station.
I know that's what you guys saying.
I'm going on what people are telling me.
I was just, like you said, it was just a sticker.
Yeah.
It was a dump sticker.
And they utilized it for also the swimming right.
When did that happen though?
Now, was the dump sticker also for swimming rights in 1991?
Yeah.
One sticker.
Yeah.
It's never one of one sticker.
Right.
They never divided the .
And they took them that long to figure out you guys were using it.
Oh, they know.
No, when I spoke with their town administrator, she said the reason they were doing it is because they had a problem with Airbnb.
And I asked why not curb the Airbnb, and she said they were starting with Lancet.
Yeah.
Well, the state has gotten, let that get out of control.
I mean, they have definitely changed their parameters with what they do.
I mean, they give you a little blue sticker, it's blue this year, whatever, and the last few is blue.
But they used to give you a guest pass.
pass with if you're a landowner and sandwich they give you the blue stickers for your
vehicles and they give you a guest pass where they've changed the gas pass so you can't use the
boat ramp now you use the beat you can't use the boat so they've definitely been changing it to try
to address some of these issues so that yes the Airbnb people can't take a guest pass
on the counter and go put their boat in they've made those changes but never once
how many guest passes are a
you allow?
Not 22.
Or I was going to say, we can buy a piece of land over there and get guest passes for everybody.
But that's what I would suggest.
And if we hit a head wall there?
I don't want to walk in there and then say, too bad, so sad and we're standing there with our head and
our head and our hands walking out like we lost, I'd rather say, oh, well, we're going to go to plan B.
we're going to go to plan B.
So I'd like a little bit of information on plan B before we cower down.
I don't think we're going to go in there and scream where right and they can scream they're right.
And at the end of the meeting, we walk out and very upset.
But when I walk out upset, I'll say, okay, we're going to go plan B.
So let's ask a few questions at least.
And then we'll set up that meeting.
It's going to take a while to get us in if they get us in at all.
So we'll get that.
that are going. And meanwhile, I get a couple people I can call in Tamler and see what, you know,
if they say no, there's nothing we can do for you.
I'm not one for beating around the bush.
Let's go face to face.
Yeah, no.
Neither am I.
We go face to face and we lose.
I'm not easily intimidated.
They may say, well, we don't want the plan anymore.
That's, but that's what I'd like to hear.
And we'll look for alternative.
Because there's no agreement.
So.
Let's do it right.
And we could put it, well, no.
You don't have to have a contract, have an agreement.
No.
Oh, I know.
So, you know.
They've acknowledged this exists.
It's just what the meat of it is.
They moved the goalbook.
The question that was there, or one person that was there,
and one person that was present at the time and fully understood what
was going to be appreciated.
Yeah.
So they have two people over there that's saying something opposite.
I don't know.
Let's go find out.
Yeah, I want to hear from them.
Let's go find out.
And if we do have a meeting, I'd invite all of you folks and anybody else that wants to come to the meeting.
It's a public meeting.
It'll be posted, et cetera.
My presence are that more than I can ask them.
Yeah.
I mean, if they want to come here, that's fine.
We've got to go there.
You three are hearing our concerns.
What are you fine with us writing a letter and going after, you know, sandwich?
I think that's the place to start.
And I do agree with Kelly.
Let's have an idea of what our plan B is going to be going out of there
because that'll help our negotiation.
Yeah, let's get a...
But no matter what happens, I think we need an MOU in the end.
Whether it's from sandwich or whether it's from another town.
from another town.
Because, Rick, I mean, we are, I really feel we are in the right.
So, and I get it, trust me, I know how the world works, right?
But like, we are in the right.
So.
Let's start there.
Let's start.
Okay.
All right.
You know, and I'd like you to attend that meeting as well.
You know?
Okay.
And the road agent from Sandwich would be requested to be there as well.
So.
Well, we need all those people sitting around a table discussing this.
But, no, I'm just kidding you.
But you know what I mean.
I mean, it's logistically, it's a tough spot.
Let's...
And you don't want it to see it to any other time
in Albany because the tax bill would be painful, trust me.
Well, the municipal tax rate we kept down the 29 cents a thousand this year.
Right.
How's that?
So the first step would be a formal letter.
formal letter to the sandwich board.
Well, let's get that drafted.
And Kelly's going to do some.
I'm going to do the research behind the scenes.
If you give, send us a draft of what
AI tells you.
I don't think you should just be a letter requesting
that conversation with him.
I think it needs to be.
An official meeting.
In the state opposition.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We want an official public meeting face-to-face
to include road agents for
35 years.
Let's save something for the discussion
when we get there.
Let's not show them out.
I don't know.
request the meeting and why.
Yeah.
And tell them they should have a lot of chance that.
Because we're going to bring a lot of people.
Right?
Well, I would leave the door.
Do they want to come here?
Should we come over there?
We'll let them decide what they want to do.
Their room over there.
Last time I was over there is very small.
They still doing it in that little room in the...
Give them that option.
They can...
Because Steve and I used to go over there for the communications meetings.
But we'll look at the draft for you, sir.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you all.
Thank you all.
We were never happy about it.
John sent us an email today for our conversation with him yesterday,
and he's wanting to know if we want to come up for a meeting
up at the chapel on October 14, I think it was?
I mean, is that something?
something we we we don't meet every week now we used to
we meet the second and fourth Wednesday of the month so it would be October
14th right and 4 30 I mean that's where we always met before I mean that's where we
always met before I mean let us know if you still want to have that meeting
I mean put some wood on the fire we're willing to come up once or twice a year.
I mean it's a beautiful area so I mean it's all right all right
all right take care yeah thank you thank you thank you thank you very thank you all right
It's you.
Yeah, thank you.
All right.
You want anything for May?
Yeah, I have one, we have one item for you.
Yeah.
Something about your maintenance department.
Can they do some painting for us?
No.
We get the end to do something here.
Yeah.
We could do some painting.
We also have, you know, the meeting room that we divided
for storage and stuff.
Okay.
Okay, we just want to slap some paint on the walls.
We just got a quote for $1,200.
Okay.
I don't know what you can do it for, but...
I'm sure we could do it a lot cheaper than that.
I actually think you should...
We should just do a little housekeeping while we're here.
It would be quick.
I mean, and we have a lot of paint in the treasurer's office.
A lot of it was here.
Yeah, there was a lot of stuff in there already.
Yeah, we may have the paint already.
Okay.
May have to get more, but I mean, I mean, I can take a look at it
and see.
I mean, I can't imagine we couldn't do it in a day.
So, six, six hours.
I mean, I can go over it with you.
Whatever we figure that's fair, $55 an hour, six hours.
Probably would do it, something like that.
I don't know.
I mean, I'll take a minute and go over it before you go.
Yeah, I can look on my way out, and I've looked at it, so I...
The only thing that we want done nicely is around the door in the hallway
where it's presented to the public.
and there's stained, and I think the door looks like it has a coat of polyurethane or something on it.
Okay.
Just trying to match the other door, so it looks.
Inside is going to be basically storage, so I mean, white paint or that bluish-teal.
Earth tones.
Earth-tones are nice.
White's a little too instill.
Something piece.
Whatever.
I'm not a painter.
Institutionalization.
I'm not a painter.
No, we have a person that could do a job, and we could save a little money.
You know, we got the little closet for the storage, for the supervisor, the checklist in there that's...
That needs painting, too, inside there?
Yeah.
Well, some of the walls are brand new, plus where the window was that we took out.
Right. So they need a key to do that, though.
We can...
I will meet with anybody that wants to come to do it.
Yeah.
No, I can...
That's no problem.
We can do it within the week, I'm sure.
One more for you, Curtis.
We have a residence in Piper Meadow.
I was whatever it's called now.
All many acres.
It's a condemned one that someone decides to live in.
I think you guys might have boarded it up in the past.
It's on Bear. Bear Road.
16 Bear Drive.
So it was condemned in 2024 by us and the sheriff's and Dave Pandora.
We got a complaint that somebody's living in there.
Dave went and checked it out the other night with the sheriff.
The sheriff's, he said it, there was no one there at the time, but it certainly looks like he recommended we reach it up to you guys see if you could board it back up or secure it back up.
Okay.
Okay. Do you want the sheriff to go ahead of time and bamboozle anybody out of there?
Uh, yeah. I'd have them go up to the same time.
You guys shouldn't have to deal with that. Okay, yeah, I mean, yeah, if someone's there, yeah.
I think it's a good idea. Be a little awkward.
Yeah, pulled them up inside.
Can you get out first?
You know, right?
Yeah, we can do that. That's easy enough.
We've done something.
We've done that in the past.
Just don't take the trailer, please.
No, because that's an expensive.
We learn the hard way on that one, how expensive that is because of the abatement of asbestos and dump fees.
It's an expensive process.
Real quick, if we're done with that, real quick, I just, so we got some town stuff that we're working on.
We did a little little bit.
trial on Bald Hill.
Yeah, we heard about it.
Yeah, and I'm sure some people, I'm sure you did.
But I think that we are at the stage where it's bad tax dollars to continuously
fix washouts on Bald Hill Road in pavement.
And with the cost of things right now, I think that paving the ditch lines on Bald Hill Road
are going to be a huge advantage to us.
Ridgeview is paid.
and it works really well.
State and Hampshire paved a bunch of stuff over the years that they're continuously washing out.
So I'm going to pave the steep parts of Bald Hill where we've had constant problems over the last 20 years.
And I'm remiss it myself that I haven't done it yet.
But I always catch some heat for paving ditches because people don't like how it looks.
But, you know, I also don't want to.
But they don't like how it looks when it gets washed out.
Right, exactly.
So we're going to do that, and I'm going to finish that in the next three weeks.
Also, we have the section on Drake Hill Road.
We have the section on Drake Hill Road that was the storm damage,
and we're going to pave that section, that Southern Hill on Drake Hill Road where we had all that damage.
We're going to pave that shortly.
What did you do on Old Colony Road?
So when we do that, we do that,
we're going to move to a colony row.
We're going to change the culvert out to a bigger side to try to get that rock, push back a little bit best we can without spending a fortune on it.
We're going to create a drainage swale on the other side to try to stop massive amounts of water hurting the homeowner's house or maybe redirect it like we looked at.
So that we're going to do that.
And then I'm going to run out to pass the Conway.
if I have some money left over, after we get all this paving done,
to go out and to help skim some of the, just to shim some of the rough sections of Passa Conway.
Also, when I was out on Passa Conway, the covered bridge, I fixed some boards on the covered bridge,
and the cover bridge needs to be painted.
So I was going to, with normal highway budget funds, I was going to paint the whole,
interior of cover bridge put on the put on a paint that's a fire retardant paint
and then I would like to stain the covered bridge that's going to have to be something
that we're going to have to have mother nature help us a little bit because it's
going to be very hard to stain it when the leaves are beautiful which that we're
basically almost there getting there unfortunately so I want to try to
staying the outside of the covered bridge after the leaves are gone, weather permitting,
because it's really dry. So we got to do it. The roof's good. I did check the bridge.
We got an email or something on some. I didn't see any structural. I'm not an engineer. So,
no, but I didn't see anything that was like, I was looking at like I thought was dangerous on the
covered bridge. So, but it does. Is there any state money? What's that? Is there any state money available for?
So the state replant and structurally fixed that bridge years ago.
I don't know. I don't know 10 years ago.
So they did that. I don't know of any money, but I don't think staining it.
I think we, that's total in-house stuff. We can handle that.
I reached out to the Forest Service to try to see if they, on Pass, regarding Paso County,
we saw the Forest Service to see if they would partake in helping with some of all their trees on their property.
that are dead from the caterpillars a couple of three years ago, I haven't gotten any
response, which is no shot. It's not shocking at all. The Forest Service. God bless them,
they all work really hard, but they don't have money either, right? So they don't really want
to be cutting trees. But we are going to have to cut some trees. My approach to that is we're going
to cut some trees and, you know, and we're going to leave them on the ground. I make great
habitat. Environmental should love it. But we're going to have to deal with it.
one way or the other because it's a real problem.
But, and I don't think we're going to get any help for us.
So we're going to have $15,000 or so that I'm going to spend out of the highway budget to do that.
But that's it.
I mean, that's kind of, is MoVue repairs?
MoVue, yes, you're right.
Thank you.
MoVue repairs, I got that scheduled.
I'm going to try to, within our right-of-way there, I'm going to try to make it a little bigger because it's kind of a
It's a hammer design.
It's kind of a terrible.
We would never approve that these days, that type of a turnaround,
because we would get into what we got in with Weston Express,
even though it's all signed and not come up there.
We would get into that.
But I'm going to make that a little bigger.
But that project is going to happen also in the next two, three weeks,
the four weeks.
What's the status on the FEMA money for the repair of the washout
on Drake?
It was denied.
I know it was denied, but they were going to
were going to reapply or appeal it.
Yeah, I have no idea.
That's something we should get Mark McConkey involved in to check in.
He was pretty involved in it.
I think he was pretty upset that it didn't get denied too.
I mean, the one thing I will say is the town of Albany,
thankfully, with the support of the boards over the years,
we have done a good job with making sure we have money to fix our own problems.
Oh, yeah.
So.
That being said, we're all set.
You know, is it going to delay?
Well, that's why we set the highway capital reserve fund up the way it set up,
so we can draw off it in an emergency.
Right, without having to have special media.
Right.
All we have to have is a public hearing on it to do it.
So keep that in mind.
This is about the doctor and crop issue
going quickly.
You're out of order.
At those documents, thank you for a meeting together.
We don't need to see him, and I will formally will run my request for that.
Thank you very much.
I meant to ask you about that.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Very much.
Take care.
But that's all I got on my world.
We've got a report that someone crashed into the bridge at Johnny Eastman's house.
Do you hear about that?
I did not.
Yeah, Johnman should be yesterday.
Under the influence person smashed into the, the bridge one, the car lost.
Yeah, I bet.
I guess it was quite a hit because the airbags went off and everything else.
So I don't know if they did damage the railing or what.
I'm surprised.
It's pretty stalled.
But if they did, I can look at it.
If there's an insurance matter, we can address that.
So I'll run out and look at that and see if it's damage.
If they have insurance, they should pay for it.
I don't know anything about it.
I don't know anything about it.
didn't sound like she had much.
Okay.
She got arrested for her.
Yeah.
No, I can take a lot.
Yeah.
Just the heads up.
I hadn't heard.
Yeah.
We found out, we hear a lot at elections.
Everyone wants to stop and tell us a story.
Is, is, because I've had a, I've had some people say that paving the dis signs, they thought it was a good idea.
There's one person that really wanted to let us know that they thought it was a waste of
money and it was a good friend of ours.
Yeah, yeah.
But we took it under advisement.
Yeah, no, I know.
The 99% rule, I strive for 99% of public satisfaction.
One percent, I can't help that.
All right, well, I'll see in Plymouth.
Okay.
Go Eagles.
Yeah.
All right, guys.
Thank you very.
Thanks.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Let's whip through this now.
Thanks.
Okay.
On the new business, approval of Selectmen's meeting minutes, August 26, 2026.
I move to approve as presented.
I'll second that.
All in favor.
Aye.
Approval of Selecting, I'm sorry, approval September 9th, 2026, and sent file.
The real sign manifests the amount of $150,000.
$39,326.99 and $8,045.29.
This includes an accounts payable, payroll manifest, September 1,
2026, and September 8, 2026.
Review, approve, or deny, and signed Town of Albany Management
Representation letter from Roberts & Green,
PLC. Review, approve, or deny, electronic funds transfer via
be an ACH form from Eversource.
I'll move to approve the consent file as presented.
No, second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Aye.
Okay.
That's a new one.
Yeah, we've separated out permits from the consent file.
Just to keep it a little bit more standardized.
Residential building permit application for Map 9, lot 149.
I'll make a motion to approve it.
I'll second it.
All in favor.
Aye.
All right.
So we actually kind of just touched on the 16 Bear Drive.
That was, we got a complaint that
thought somebody was living in a condemned property that the town of condemned back in 2024.
Our health inspector went and checked it out with the sheriff's department,
reported back that it does look like someone's staying there,
however no one was.
there when they went.
He recommended that we have Bowman's Porterville back up again,
secure it, new padlocks, and whatnot.
In the meantime, we were contacted by the Secretary of Albany Hakers
asking how they could rectify that and get it off of being condemned.
The suggestion was that first thing, first off, the people would have to come
and get approval from the slide then.
And then once they did, if you guys wanted to approve it, they do the work, the health inspector
would have to sign off on it before it would be not condemned.
So that is the update on that.
I would make a motion to put a letter together, letting that co-op know what has to be done exactly to bring that up to
health standards and send it certified mail and it has to be approved by either
our health officer or the state health department that it's a livable structure and healthy
I'll second that for conversations.
We need to know what that, what it would take.
Well, that's what we need to put in this letter.
But we have to find that.
that out.
Right.
We need to know.
This is a motion to start that process.
Does Pandora have to go back and look at it again?
Because from the pictures we saw when it was condemned, it was chucked full of trash and
the root sailing was falling in.
They're going to want an itemized list?
You have to fix sailing.
You have to fix the floor.
You have to fix the floors.
I do very specific.
So he's going to have to do a full inspection of that dwelling because we don't want to just say,
yeah, clean it.
They clean it.
to clean it. I think it puts the liability on us as to what has to be done.
Well, as of now, nobody can even step.
Right.
So they need to first get permission.
I think the first step is to ask them to clean the property so it can be inspected.
Okay.
Does that make sense?
If you second it, add that to the...
You're talking to the...
You're talking to the property.
Interior.
They can't get in.
They're not allowed even in.
Well, that's, well, that's, we're going to have to give permission for, to get it cleaned.
I'm guessing.
So they would need to get permission from you guys first before they can clean or do anything.
If they inspect it and give them a list, then you're going to go back in and do the list.
Do the work.
So the first step would be for them to approach the board and get permission, what their plan is.
Yes.
Yes.
You guys decide if you want to go with that.
Yes.
I think that's right.
But start the letter process.
No.
verbally.
Got it.
Joe?
Is he thinking?
No, I'm just thinking that we could streamline it.
I think Dave could write it in such a way that, you know, that it's clean and structurally sound.
And I think he could word it in such a way that...
Well, it wouldn't need to go back and go back and go.
Meeting...
Meeting health standards.
It may not be fixable.
I don't want to...
That's why they need to clean it out to see if you can be done.
Right.
They've got to hang it out and they've got to make sure that the thing is structurally sound.
But who's not?
that?
What's that?
Who's going to...
Who's going to say, yes, instruction, sound?
They're not going to do.
Dave.
Right.
That's what I'm trying to show.
We need to have to get Dave involved.
Because he's co-enforcement.
And he could go, when they say they're done, you could go back and say,
there's not structurally sound, this board,
it's going to go.
That's still condemned.
You need to finish up.
Right.
Okay.
That's all.
I mean, you could do it in one letter.
That's all I would say to do.
Yeah.
But we have, we would have to do.
And Dave could say yes.
And it has to meet New Hampshire.
meet New Hampshire health standards, period, and be signed off.
So what do you want to say?
Like the Board of Selectmen authorize you to do the work to...
To clean it out.
To clean it out.
And to bring it up.
So it can be inspected.
So structurally it's safe and sound.
Okay.
And it's brought up in all aspects to New Hampshire health standards.
So it might be subject in the end to an inspection.
to an inspection by our health office.
So we're essentially giving them permission to go in there and do this.
Yeah.
We don't know that it's structurally sound.
That's what I'm saying.
How do we do that?
Because now we're going to let someone go in and we...
So I think it needs to be Dave that.
Right. Besides how it's not...
Besides then.
Well, run this by Dave.
Yeah.
I mean...
Can we... Maybe stay if you come in.
I don't think they're in a hurry to do this.
I think...
He can work.
I said him work on it.
Just come up with something.
I mean, I can shoot a email and say,
look, this is what we're thinking?
What do you think?
Can you draft a letter?
You know, what needs you done?
Or schedule an appointment with this person?
I'm sure he's done it.
Yeah.
Well, change my motion from a request to send a letter
to get Dave involved in creating a letter
and creating the content of the letter
as to what we need to.
need to accomplish a safe living quarters.
Right.
Can you...
All right, that's all fine.
I just... I'm not in any hurry to get this done because...
Oh, no.
It's going to get boreded up and it's still sits to them.
Well, and I know they've got some personal stuff going on today,
so it might be in the match.
Yeah, so I don't like bored enough hurry to do this.
Right.
And the person that's there right now is there completely illegally.
Right.
Can you, that's where I was going to go to next.
Can you contact the Sheriff's Department?
service department and ask them to make sure there's no one there.
Yeah.
And they should have some kind of legal notice they can put on there so that the person comes back,
they'll know that being, I mean, they can't play cat mouse with this guy.
He's probably running in the woods, but if they could put something there saying
per order of the Sheriff's Department or something,
because apparently the first sign doesn't mean anything to him.
Well, in the meantime, did you guys want Coleman to go and board it up?
up because he said he wanted the sheriff, so they're going to have to...
Well, that's why I think the sheriff will go right out there.
Right.
He doesn't need Curtis to be with them.
The sheriff just need to go out there and...
Clean it up.
Make sure nobody's there and give us the heads up.
I think if there's something they could leave, like maybe even a business card or something,
I don't know. You're going to talk to...
Steve?
Yeah.
Because he'll know what they do.
There.
I think they need to know there's a calling car.
saying we're watching this place.
Right, right.
But that would be the first step.
That way it's clear for Coleman's to go in and not have to
chase someone out of that.
Okay.
What is open on it that has to be bordered up?
I don't know.
Frank DeLar.
I believe Dave said the padlock got caught off.
Well, see if the police have that
tape that they put on stuff that they'll know if it's broken.
Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
I know what you're saying.
Well, he's going to know what we're talking about.
You talk to him, talk to the sheriff and say,
we want people to know they can't.
Send Steve.
Steve will get it done.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I'm saying.
On the agenda, I had the
town hall group quotes.
He has had a chance to peek at them.
I did not see that.
Is it in here?
It's in the agenda packet at the very end.
Here is copies of you.
I have just copies if you guys just want.
There was three options.
Jim, if you want to take over on this one,
I'm not familiar with the options.
Well, we turn to run.
If we're going to touch up all these other things,
we should make sure that the roof is stopped leaking.
Because it's already leaked again and come through the ceiling
and the treasurer's off.
office since the last time it was fixed.
Yeah.
I think that was actually through the winter and the spring of the snow,
ice built up, and we had a shovel and stuff.
So I think we should at least seal to take care of those valleys.
Right.
And to me, it's the second quote that we need to do.
65?
Yeah, the 65.
Pull up the metal, get the ice shield down to seal that up.
And I know that doesn't address over the windows,
but I still.
I don't know, I'm not, I'm not confident that anyone's got up there and said it's leaking.
Well, just odd the way it's stained above each window.
What about the other quote, Jim, where that's to reseil the holes of patch any obvious leak points?
The $1,800 one?
Yeah, isn't that?
Well, I don't know what he means by reseal holes.
We had this, this entire roof and that.
Oh, no, there's some hole up in that valley out here of metal.
Yeah, there's places where.
I think there's just, there's,
from the snow slide.
And I also think the people that shovel the roof off
don't take very much care as to what they do to the roof.
Yeah.
And just walking around on it.
Right.
For a temporary fix, I think maybe that would be started.
Well, my question is, even the 6,500, what do we have in the budget?
Not 65.
You know what I mean?
I'm sure we have it, but we're not at the end of the year.
You know?
I just thought.
I'm just saying,
I would quit.
shield down.
Well, yeah.
But are they going to take up the metal, put ice up, put the metal, put the metal back down?
Yeah.
And then...
Just...
Because we're going to have to get the roof done.
I don't know that, I don't know that that's true.
No.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that because we had this entire roof re-screwed.
Yeah.
Right.
We had oversized screws and gasket, seals on the screws.
I'm not confident saying that there's leaks in this metal roof.
in this metal roof where the windows have stained.
I don't know that that's from...
Right.
I almost feel it's conversation or something like that.
That could be.
That could be.
So I guess I don't know that we're ever going to, that we need to, in the near future do...
Well, $66.
The concern I would have is, you know, this isn't a one-piece roof all the way across.
It comes in sections that overlap.
If snow and ice are melting and building up under that and come
through that it can happen.
Okay.
Is that causing something?
Right.
I think Jim's right with the 65.
I don't know.
I think that, because that's a more permanent fix
until we can work on getting money to do the roof.
That's not going to happen.
Oh, yeah, I don't think we'd be doing the roof.
We have to go to the town.
Yeah, I mean, it was just patching some leaks
to do the roof in the immediate future, yes.
I would say at least do this value.
do this valley and get that sealed because I think that's the worst.
Okay.
We need to see what's in the budget then.
So we can...
But I would see what's in the budget.
The only problem is we can't kick the can down the road too far because...
No, I'd say if we make it to say...
Well, when you seal stuff, you can't do it in freezing weather.
Do you want to put it on a little business for the next meeting?
You have to budget?
Do you want to sit there?
I'll have to...
look into the budget and see what is that I don't know off the top of my head.
Can you quickly do that?
What?
This is town hall maintenance.
Yeah.
Right.
We should have it.
It's just a matter of what else could go wrong.
We're just going to be careful that we have reserve after that.
Yeah.
Well, and this is end of December.
December 31st, right?
Right.
I mean, we're close.
Yeah.
I would assume what's doable.
Right.
And the thing you've got to do is you've got to get on the person's schedule.
Yeah.
And they've got to get it done before it starts freezing.
So if we feel we've got the money and we just got to figure it out, then I think we should.
But if we wait two weeks to our next meeting.
No, I don't think we should.
I don't either.
Right.
So I would make a motion to do the $6,500 repair, lift the metal,
get the ice shield down.
Even if we do the roof later, the ice shield.
shield needs to be down.
Do we have $6,500 in the budget, though?
That's the only question.
I would be guessing if I said yes, but I think, I believe yes, but I'm not going to guess.
We're going to need an absolute.
Well, I'll make a motion that if we have it in the budget, we do the $6,500.
If we don't, then we'll do what we can, and that would be $1,800.
Well, we can't just have $6,500 in the budget.
We have to have $65 plus for the buffer to make it.
So I think if you do it.
look at it.
I will.
I'll let you as a month.
Well, we need to decide that today.
Can we go with Jim's motion and put it as contingent upon the money being in the budget?
That's what I read it as.
Okay.
Can we do that way?
Yeah, I'm just saying.
Okay.
We can't kick the can down.
No, we need that.
How can we work this so we can agree on it tonight?
No, let's do it that way.
Contingent on the money, then we'll make sure the money's there.
I'll second that.
I'll second that.
Yes.
Volunteer?
Aye.
Aye.
So that was it?
Okay.
Before we've done, the boards, I'm not going to report on the boards.
No, the board meets next Monday.
I will not be there to attend, but I'll try to.
Oh, I do have something on that.
Do you want, we've got a volunteer?
We want to address that now?
You want to address that now?
You want to think about it?
We got that letter?
That's something.
Well, invite them.
They're from...
It's for the planning board?
All right.
No.
The person is from Wonna Lancet.
Yeah.
Why don't we invite them to the meeting that we're going to have out there on October 14th?
Well, it's not up to us.
Is this the email that was for the zoning and planning board?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sean, when are they meeting?
The 14th and...
On Wednesday?
No, no.
Planning Board's Monday.
The 14th.
Have asked Sean to put it on as...
agenda to get an approval from the...
or consensus from the planning board if they recommend this person.
So what...
And we can address it at that meeting.
So what do you, like a little interview?
I mean, how would that work the planning board to have them in just to say,
hi, how are you doing, and give a recommendation on them?
We don't know that they sound great.
Well, I would assume you'd be an opportunity.
It's got a pulse.
So why don't it?
So I think it's...
I think it's better to have them come in to the planning board meeting.
Did the planning board need people?
Well, we have, I don't, what should we have?
You could have five main members and you should have one or two alternatives.
We have five in an alternate.
So we could use second alternate.
Okay.
And the zoning board could use an alternative.
What about we?
Could he be on both or no?
No.
Email with Sean Zane.
Sean.
Right?
He's a secretary.
We shouldn't be, it should be the planning board doing this, not us anyway.
So we've got to approve.
We do, but Sean's going to give his blessing,
or the planning was giving the blessing, I guess.
So Sean should invite him to Monday's meeting.
Yeah.
So give it to Sean.
Yeah.
Thank you.
I mean, I send it to Sean anyway, but I will also
put a follow up and ask you specifically who you
to this Monday meeting.
All right.
Cross Ron, public comments, nothing, nothing, nothing.
I'm going to make a motion.
As far as the chapel goes, I showed the pianos to the gentleman yesterday.
I took some pictures of it.
He will let us know what they decide on.
That's it.
Okay.
I was going to say I have not gotten any calls from the gentleman here.
Now, can I complete my motion?
Motion to adjourn?
Motion to adjourn.
Motion to adjourn.
Thank you.
All the things.
All the things.
All right.
Thank you.