Town of Gorham: Wayfinding Signage Public Hearing

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So,
what if I always start off with a a
welcome? Uh, so this is our public
information hearing wayfinding.
[clears throat]
And if you don't know what wayfinding
is, you'll find out very soon. Okay, we
call that a hook. Um,
this will be put up uh live so we can
share this. Um, I'm town manager Peter
Gagman. I am really pleased to have one
of our great community partners here at
Northern Forest Center with Mike Morren.
And we have the Mccclure Group who's
been a great bunch of consultants. We
have John and Danielle and they've put
together quite a package of ideas and
it's important to get input from our
community. Uh personally, I'm excited.
um the planning board, the board of
selectmen have already uh kind of seen
and give their blessing for this and um
you know hopefully within the next six
to 18 months uh we'll be having some
updated uh colorful informative um signs
that will help uh tourists and visitors
alike. So with that, I'm going to let
this presentation get going and hand it
off to Mike, I guess.
>> Thank you, Peter. Appreciate it. Thank
you.
>> Um so yeah, as Peter said, um we are
embarking we've embarked on this way
finding um planning process working with
the core engineering. Um this work has
been born out of several years of
planning. One was back in 2020, the
recreation for rural uh communities
planning process and then I believe it
was in 2021 the northern forest center
um worked with the community to host one
of our rural um tourismies. Through both
those processes, Wayfinding was
identified as one um area of investment
the town would make to help um manage
visitation, give more welcoming space to
direct people to uh area um
destinations. And so, um, this work is
building off of those plan processes as
well as, um, a brand marketing, um, uh,
project that, uh, kicked off back in
2023 and wrapped up wrapped up in early
2025. Um that brand marketing was um
produced a website called Goran Outdoors
which the town owns um and helps to
promote outdoor recreation opportunities
in Goran both motorized and
non-motorized. Kind of the full breadth
of recreation that um one can access
when visiting uh Goran New Hampshire. Um
we use the uh the branding the design
branding that came out of that process
to help inform kind of the the the
signage um uh that you're going to see
this evening. Um and much like that
branding exercise, this work was funded
through a rural business development
grant. Those grants are administered by
the USDA uh yearly and Northern Forest
Center leverages those grants every year
in various communities around the north
countries to execute on projects like
this. Um
so that funding has secured the services
of the poor engineering. Um, and once
this uh design and placement plan is
complete um sometime in September
likely, we'll be able to use that plan
to uh pursue um the actual fabrication
of signage and then the installation.
So, we're excited about being um kind of
halfway through this this [snorts]
process and looking forward to talking
about the designs that Danielle and and
John have.
Turn it over to you guys.
>> Great. Well, thanks Mike and uh welcome
everybody. So, my name is John Allesie.
I am the transportation planning lead at
the engineering and I'm joined by my
colleague Danielle here and we've been
working with the Northern Forest Center
and the TA on the Gorum wavefinding
project here and we're really excited to
show you what we've been working on to
gather feedback tonight.
So, to start we just wanted to take a
step back and talk about [clears throat]
you know what is wayinding exactly. So
you know what it does? Wavefinding
utilizes visual directionals designed to
help people orient themsel themselves
and navigate physical spaces. And what
it actually is, what is wavefinding?
It's signage. Uh wayfinding signage is a
strategic system of visual cues, maps,
and directional markers that can be
implemented. And why it's important? So
wavefinding is vital for eliminating
confusion, ensuring physical safety and
making environments simultaneously
efficient, accessible, and welcome.
So this is a collage that shows all of
the existing wayfinding signage
throughout the town. So you'll see that
we have some wayfinding signage on the
presidential rail trail. There's canoe
portage signs along the Androskit River,
existing kiosk at the co-ass trails. So,
all of this signage is, you know, pretty
different, serves different purposes,
and it's found all throughout the town.
But, uh, you know, one of the big things
we're trying to do as part of this
project is to create some cohesive way
finding signage. So, you know, we're
just giving a sneak peek at the signage
right here, but you'll see that we're
trying to use the same symbols, the same
text, logos, things like that. So,
that's really a key driver of this
project to create a cohesive way finding
system that can be found throughout the
town.
So, how do we get here? I know that my
team have talked a lot about some of the
um work that has been completed to date.
So I won't go into all of these
documents too thoroughly, but basically
there's been the community action plan
which was the recreation economy for
rural communities in 2020, the
sustainable tourism strategy report
completed by the northern forest center
in 2022 and in 2024 that's when the core
of New Hampshire outdoors logo and brand
was created. So really this wayfinding
project we're talking about today is
building upon these previous planning
studies identified the need for
wavefinding signage and unique branding
in Gora drawing from the development of
that Gora Outdoors logo we just
mentioned
this is the project purpose so you know
we're hoping to connect for key
recreational destinations s with the
downtown via walking, biking, and
driving routes that will promote the
town as a regional outdoor destination
while protecting locally valued places
for residents.
>> And just to give you give everybody a
sense of the work to date and what the
schedule is for the project. So, we
kicked off the project in January 2026,
uh, where we met with the town, the
Northern Forest Center, and some other
town volunteers to discuss what the
goals of the project were and for the
McLar team to get a better understanding
of what those previous planning studies
were and what the work has been done to
date. Uh, in March 2026, [laughter] we
had the first convening of the
destination management group. So that
brought in in addition to the previous
folks that were at that kickoff meeting,
some local stakeholders uh from the
area, including the Forest Service, from
some local businesses and other
recreational groups in order to figure
out, you know, what are these key
recreational destinations throughout the
town that this project should focus on?
And then also what are some of the
destinations that should be protected as
locally valued places for residents. And
then we also shared some preliminary
designs that have informed the uh
science designs [clears throat] that
we're going to show today here June 1st
at the public hearing. So after this
meeting, we'll receive feedback from
everybody in the room. We'll be hosting
a survey afterwards so that if you can't
make this meeting, you can provide your
feedback afterwards. Um and then after
that we'll have the second convening
[clears throat] of the destination
management group in June where we'll be
so that same group of stakeholders where
we'll be summarizing the feedback
received to date and hopefully receive
some direction on the [clears throat]
design guide and the signage placement
plan. That will be the two main
deliverables of this project. The design
guide being the full booklet showing the
different types of signs and designs
that have come out of this project and
then the signage placement plan where
those actual signs are going to be
located throughout the town.
I can just go back one more slide. And
then we're hoping just as an FYI for
signage installation. So that's still to
be determined right now. It's dependent
on the town receiving external grant
funding. So, we're not putting science
in the ground just yet, but we're
building the uh design and the draft
placement plan right now so that when
funding is available, the town can
install it soon.
>> So, just to summarize, you know, why
we're we are here today. We are here to
gather feedback again on that draft
wayfinding signage design and the
typologies and then also the draft
wayfinding signage placement plan. So
the designs of the signs and then where
those signs are proposed to go through.
Um so I just want to pause here and you
know ask if anyone in the room has any
questions before we actually move
forward presentation.
>> Good. Great.
>> I'll hand it over to you Daniel.
>> Hello everyone. My name is Daniel Yasuk.
Um, and I'm really excited to be here
today to be able to show you all what
we've been developing signage wise. Um,
we've put together two different
concepts um, for feedback from you all.
And, uh, yeah, we wanted, this is just a
sneak peek. We just wanted to show you
start with just a glimpse of what these
two uh, signage families look like. Um,
we're about to, that's what I'm about to
get into is we're going to zoom into all
of these signage types and we're going
to see them side by side. So, really
comparatively, you're going to get to
see the detail, the nuances between
these two distinct options. Um, but
really, I mean, one of the, you know, as
John had just, you know, spoke about, we
are, this is really a building upon this
has been building for a while. this had
been identified that um unique branding
unique branding has kind of been
accomplished in a way by the Gorum
Outdoors group. Um so this is this
unique wayfinding for Gorum. Um we you
know we really wanted to continue that
language the work um of that branding
that Gorum Outdoors has already done and
that's what we're building upon. So
hopefully you can see that um in this
glimpse of these two options kind of
just that you know we've extrapolated
based off of that brand and and we've
used that um and pulled that in here to
create a language for form. So
um without further ado I'm going to jump
right into uh showing these signs side
by side. So um our first typology that
we have are the blade tractionals. Um
these are our tallest sign typologies.
All of these have scale figures next to
them so you can kind of see um you know
what that would feel like, get a gauge,
a sense of what that would feel like um
in comparison. Uh so the blade
directional is really the purpose for
these is you know and obviously with
wavefinding you know this is very we're
using directional cues. This is very
obvious with the arrows. You know we're
physically pointing people in the
directions of these locations. Um, not
only do we have the names of these
locations, but we also have the
distances labeled on here. So, um, you
know, people would be able to get a
gauge of how long it's going to take
them to get to a certain place. Um, you
know, the I think the importance of the
bleed directionals, these are really not
only are they important navigational
tools that they're really important for
decision making. Um, and also I think
this is um, you know, it kind of clues
people into maybe some other forum uh,
recreation areas that they may have not
been familiar with before. So, um, you
know, having these on here, maybe
they're headed to a certain trail head
and they're like, "Oh, I didn't even
know that this other one existed. Let's
check that out." So, um, the blade
directionals I think are really great
for, um, queuing people in very
obviously on, you know, direction.
>> So, next I'm going to jump in and talk
about our bike and pedestrian signage.
>> So, as you can see, these are uh shorter
than the way directions. These are very
these are designed to be very eye length
with people um that are either on foot
or on wheels and getting around town and
navigating. And these are similar to the
blue directionals as well. There's areas
where these two um may be, you know,
placed very placed next to each other.
And we've kind of identified an
opportunity to maybe mount these two
together in some situations where they
where they work together. But similarly,
this is, you know, this is just um great
navigation for people to be able to get
around and guide them to where they want
to go around town,
>> especially, you know, again, at areas
that are intersections, key decision
making areas.
>> Okay, now we're going to get into some
of the vehicular signage typologies. The
next three are all geared towards
vehicular uses. So,
as you can see from the vehicular road
signs, these would be um at eye length
for drivers. These also, you know, we
want these to be um appropriately, we
want them to be sized enough to where
they're very legible to drivers. So, um
that's an important piece of these. And
then [clears throat] the other, you
know, obviously these would be adjacent
to the roadways to local, these would be
adjacent to local roadways here in um so
and then the last little detail that I
want to hit on that I think is important
to touch on on this particular road
signage is this blue right here and this
blue and this sign as well. Um and that
may look familiar. and have John talk a
little bit about why that is included
and important in the vehicular science.
>> Yeah. So, as part of this project, you
know, we're looking at where science can
be placed, you know, mainly adjacent to
roads and in Bora routes 2 and 16 are
technically owned by the state and
overseen by New Hampshire Department of
Transportation, DOT. One of the things
we learned early on in the project is
that there are some pretty large
limitations with what types of signage
can be installed on stateowned roadways.
So, I don't know if anyone on the road
has seen, but in New Hampshire, a lot of
the kind of businesses and tourist
destinations are in those big woo signs
located next to the roadways. And that
is, you know, throughout through the
state the only type of signage that can
be implemented. So, one of the things we
learned early on is that, you know, any
of the signage that we would be
proposing on Route 2 or 16 would have to
abide by that type of standard that New
Hampshire DOT were fabricating that
installed, that classic blue signage.
Um, this type of signs on local roads
can be, you know, up to the town. So,
one of the things you wanted to do was
for the vehicular road signage, try and
tie in that blue with the local signage
we have here. And that's what Danielle
was mentioning, kind of tying in that
blue uh signage here. And little note
here just to kind of kind of make sure
that people who are traveling along
Route 2, Route 16 kind of have that
visual cue to say like, okay, this is
another vehicular sign that we should be
following.
>> Okay. Next and last of our vehicular
signage pathologies is the Parkinsons.
Um the parking signs are really
important when people are trying to
reach any of these destinations whether
it's the trail head or downtown
businesses. Um you know we've heard that
there are a lot of areas specifically
downtown well and at trail heads that
might not have the clearest parking
signage. So these sign, the intention of
these signs is to make it, you know,
abundantly clear when people come into
town and even for local people, you
know, this is a good place for you to
park to reach whatever destination that
you're getting to. Um, the other
important thing about us, you know,
really wanting to place an abundance of
these parking signs in areas where
they're relevant is to keep people off
of local neighborhood roads um from
parking there and kind of congesting
those local residential roads. Um,
that's, you know, we want to make sure
that we're keying people into where they
need to be parking. It's abundantly
clear for them and there's no questions
there about where they can park and
where they can't.
And next are our portage signs. So these
will be along the Adres River and we'll
be keying people in, you know, making
sure that they're on the right route,
knowing where they can put in their
canoe or their kayak on the river. Um,
so yeah, these are very important for
river access. And um, we have a a zoom
in of the Andes River later where these
are really pertinent. So we'll get to
see these parking later.
and trail head kiosks. Um, we called the
Sage Tropology trail head kiosks, though
we do have one identified at the Gorm
Common as well. So, it doesn't
necessarily have to be at a trail head.
It's just an entrance to an area that is
a local asset. A lot of them are placed
here um at the entrances to those trails
around Forum. And you know the
importance of these is to just and these
are um just placeholder maps for now. Um
but yeah these would be developed to
show that whole route of that trail and
keep people in on where they are. show a
little bit of the trail group trail
rules and what's permitted on those
trails and also what's prohibited on
those trails
and confirmation assignments also known
as trail markers. Um so these are pretty
straightforward. It's, you know, it's on
these routes, um, along trails or, you
know, we, uh, are developing an
alternate to this that will also be
along coordinates routes as well that's
letting you know really that you're
headed in the right direction. Um, and,
uh, yeah, just cluing people in that,
um, they're on the right path and they
haven't lost the trail. and um yeah,
making sure that people feel confident
navigating the trails here and there's
kind of that assuredness
um at a certain distance, you know, to
make make sure people know where they're
going.
>> And before you move on to the next
slide, Danielle, just point out that
we're showing kind of the townwide trail
markers here. But um for the portage
routes along the interstalken river, we
will have a slightly altered
confirmation sign that is more you know
canoe kayak related similar to the
signage we're proposing for the portage
route. So it's uh clear that this is a
uh you know portage confirmation sign.
So we don't have that presented here but
that will be a part of this project as
well.
And
um last but not least, we are showing
some options for historical signage here
in warm. Um this is really something
that we wanted to show um something that
is going to be expanded upon in the
future. Um this isn't something that
we're going to be integrating or
implementing like at the first phase of
this project.
>> Yeah. So, as part of our project, we're
trying to design all the types of
signage that may be considered in the
future. Um, the placement plan that I'll
be talking about soon doesn't have any
historical signage proposed. But as for
the design guide when there's a need to
highlight a historical landmark in Gora,
the design sphere and there's the
placeholder where the information photos
can be shared, but for sharing the
design story to get some feedback.
>> Yeah. I just want to note this is um
being responsive to a request that came
out of that destination manager group
conversation right there was a no means
that having that sort of sign would be
you know great to have in the future. So
this is part of taking that public
feedback and creating that that signage.
>> Yep. Exactly.
>> Okay. And um after we've zoomed in on
all of those typologies and seen them
side by side um circling back to option
one and option two um you can see in
both of these that the
you know the moose typology is something
that is pretty central to Borum's
identity. So those are, you know, that
motif of the moose is something that we
definitely wanted to hit on. And
>> again, the um
>> the Gorm Outdoors logo is something that
we drew on for both of these options.
Option one was our first iteration and
it was also born kind of directly out of
that logo. So, um, this version has kind
of a whole, it uses that whole breadth
of colors of that color palette that
Warm Outdoors has already established.
Um, and alongside the colors, it also
utilizes the already established Gorm
Outdoors fonts that they've used in
their branding. So, this really is kind
of a direct tether from that. Um and I
think helps you know uh carry on and
establish that identity for sure. Um and
the other thing I wanted to talk about
in option one was and that's one of the
key differences between these two is
option one has these rounded profiles
here. Option two has sharper edges um as
you can see on the blade directionals
and these are all cornered edges on
option two. Um, option two was I mean
this is also an extrapolation from the
Gore Matters logo. The main difference
on option two, you know, whereas I think
that option one carries on that more
artistic and illustrative feel, option
two, we wanted to make more refined and
maybe have a bit more of a modern feel
to it. Um so these utilize the same
greens
uh in both of these families that the
gormats has already established. Um
>> and now one thing I just want to point
out is that we call it option one and
two but we're not really choosing one or
the other. If there's something that we
like in one, but you know we don't like
in the other, we can mix and match them.
It's not just one or the other.
>> Yeah, exactly. We wanted to make these
two contrasting in a way so that it
would spark conversation and we'd get
some good authentic feedback from you
all on uh your preferences. [snorts] So,
and then the only other difference on
option two is option two uses a
different font that uh we perceive as
being very highly legible on this
signage. Um it's sand sif so it's very
direct and very legible.
Um
yeah, so option one and option two here
are presented side by side. Um
yeah, we'd uh you know, we'd love to
just pause here, answer some questions
about the designs, maybe somebody has a
preference over one of the others,
something they like, don't like,
suggestions for things we don't see up
here. We'd love to hear any feedback.
Yeah,
>> I'll just I'll offer up the very partial
to option two. Might only be thinking
about functionality though. I think I
think there's some opportunities maybe
to incorporate the kiosk design. Uh that
kiosk design option one feels like might
be more readily kind of constructed out
of you know readily available materials
at the hardware store. Right? If they
wanted to pretend I wanted to build a a
kiosk using wooden posts and
crossmembers into fabricated kiosk panel
that would be a very straightforward
process. Um it looks like maybe the
kiosk option two might be more of a
fully fabricated design.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That's a good thing to consider just the
you know overall constructibility. So
you know feasibility of getting
something implemented in the near term.
>> It also resemble I guess like more
traditional
kiosk in that sense.
>> Yeah, but I'm quite partial to
>> what was developer option to
>> pause. I take notes.
>> Uh yeah, I something I want to mention,
but I want to tell you this is that I'm
looking at this from my way of what I'm
seeing easiest and to me option two
from what I've seen is easiest to read.
It stands out a little bit more than
option one. Yeah,
>> they're both good. I could live with
either one.
>> Yeah. But oxygen just seems to be easier
on the eyes. And the thing, here we go.
Damn thing when I have to pick
everything up all over again. Um,
what I wanted to mention, and I should
have mentioned at some of the other
public hearings, but I forgot to, is the
kiosk in the middle of the car.
>> Yeah. All right. When that came in, that
was with a grant that came through the
uh chamber of commerce
>> and there was a solar light application
that originally was supposed to be much
closer to where the information would
[clears throat]
>> but there was a solar light component to
that at that time that was supposed to
light up and that's the reason it got
placed there. And I am wondering
if that it might be better off
closer towards the inter that no longer
works.
So I'm wondering if we might use this
time to move that from where it is now
closer to the information.
>> I think this process opens up those
conversations for sure. Right. Right. I
mean, I think
>> once the design plan is finalized and it
that opens the door for like considering
the placement of where these things
should go.
>> Yeah.
>> And just because
>> John's placement plan might have a kiosk
where it currently exists doesn't mean
it could be tweaked, you know, as we're
think
>> we'll get into it with the placement
plan, [clears throat] but one of the
things we wanted to do was, you know,
leverage existing wavefinding signage
throughout the town that, you know, is
working. you know, let's not re let's
not get rid of it and put something
there. Let's kind of, you know, get a
base of the key recreational
destinations that don't have wayfinding
signage right now and that over time,
you know, it could build upon itself and
then it really turns into that cohesive
system that I was mentioning before.
Yeah. What other thoughts do folks have
regarding signage?
>> Um, I really like option one. [laughter]
I like I like using the logo that was
already developed. I I like that. I like
the rounded corners. Um,
but I agree that the type the font you
use in option two is more readable and
that is crucial.
>> Yeah.
>> So, if
we went with option one, change the font
to the most readable block because
that's the point. Um, and then in terms
of readability,
um, it to my eyes, it's easier to read
dark print on a light background than
the other way around. Is or is that just
me? Um,
I I don't know if that's if there's
anything in signage that one's more
clear than the other, but just off the
bat,
>> it kind of looks to me like it's easier
to distinguish. I don't know.
>> Like that maybe this one is easier to
read than the others.
>> Yeah. Or somehow it's um well, you know,
it's brighter, so it draws your eye. And
so so I kind of
um I think that's what it is. the
brighter the tan background draws your
eye more than a dark background. So, um
so that's what I like about that.
So I mean in a perfect world you see
maintaining the kind of banner design
and let's say like the the say yeah that
signage family right there um on option
one but maybe make that kind of area
where the text is make that lighter
color like an option two.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Keep keep the option one
>> design put in option two and the lighter
background for text because I do think
it's the lighter it's the light that's
drawing my eye
>> and that's what we want.
>> Okay,
>> I can go a lot.
>> Yeah,
>> I think they're both awesome.
>> I think so.
>> I'm really impressed. I don't know.
There's something about the the images I
like.
>> Okay,
>> that's just one one. Do these um
resonate with like Bor's identity for
you all as residents? Does this feel
true to the place like to the sense of
place in Bor?
>> I mean, I think people are excited about
the moose, you know, like we have our
like we we brag about our moose tours,
how successful they are,
>> you know, people like residents talk
about like, "Have you seen her?"
>> Okay. Yeah, that's good to hear.
>> I like that. And I'm just I'm a little
worried like on on option one it's very
clear it's a moose like is everyone
going to get that that's a handler in
option
>> two
as well from the background
>> yeah I I have to agree with you on that
because I think the intentions were good
we all know what an animal looks like
but someone from uh my
It's going to look like a bird wing
today.
>> Yeah.
>> But and I also like in option one on the
uh the port portage sign you've taken
the yellow sun and you made that where
the arrow yellow arrow. So you're
>> I like that.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Then you put the yellow in the
gorum on the other side. So like, so
it's moving around. I like it.
>> Yeah,
>> I really like it.
>> I will say on I do like I think for the
confirmation sign on option one as well
that similar round disc versus square
with the circle in the middle.
>> I I think this is just me, but I I think
rounded sides and the edges give me
to me it gives me a sense of uh
calmness.
and more relaxation than the high edge.
>> I feel that.
>> Yeah.
>> Great. There's something nice about it.
>> Okay. This has been all great.
>> Awesome.
>> Is there anything else before we move
on? We're about to get into the
placement plan and really zoom in on all
these areas.
>> Yeah. the um the the signs for the car.
>> Yes. to be seen from vehicles because on
the write up
like so it really is larger print than
what we're seeing for the walkers and
everything because someone put up road
sign like you know
type signs like I I absolutely could not
see it while I'm driving by but like I
finally like after five times I got one
word my passenger got another word and
so I so the tight really is the
appropriate side for size for the
vehicle.
>> Yeah, that's good feedback. We'll
certainly make sure that these are
scaled appropriately. The vehicular ones
that's yeah important to the legible.
>> Yeah, it's mainly for like illustrative
purposes here, but there are actual
guidelines um you know, federal
guidelines about what's the most
readable from a vehicle. So, when we
make that final design, we'll have like
the exact letters and things like that.
>> Yeah.
Cool.
So, thank you for the feedback on the,
you know, designs and typologies. So,
now I want to go over our draft
wayinding placement plan. So, you know,
we've looked at, you know, what are the
what are the types of signs, what may
they look like in the final version, and
now we're getting into, you know, where
are they going to be? So, I don't expect
anyone to really focus in on any of
these small dots, but each of those pins
does represent one of [clears throat]
the signage locations that we have
proposed for one of the signage styles
below. So, we have trail kiosks,
vehicular signage, portage access,
bicycle and pedestrians, blade
directionals, that uh blue New Hampshire
DOT type of signage going to refer to as
TOD. a sense of tourist oriented
directional signage, parking and
confirmation markers.
So
to go through all these locations, we
have these focused areas that I will go
through right now. And if we're going
from west to east, we have signage in
proximity to the president. Yes.
>> Another question. Um on some of these
signs, like do you want to put the icon
um who the trail is for like you know um
like you know bike ped trail like travel
bike ped people an ATV trail ATV so
because if you don't know whether a rail
trail is um one or the other
>> y
>> you might you know you might not it
would be better to know that sooner than
later. Yeah.
>> Key that used with the icon on the
signs.
>> Yeah. So on the blades and
[clears throat] and other places
>> maybe
>> like the blades would might be handy and
perhaps on the other signs too, but what
uses are allowed on that trail that
you're heading to?
>> Yeah. Note that on the trail head kiosk,
you kind of have a component at the
bottom that kind of shows what the uses
could be. So maybe that's something that
we can consider for some of the other
types of signage like like you said the
blade directionals, the bicycle
pedestrian signage just to give some
sort of sense of um what users are
allowed where on trails.
Well, that's good feedback. Thank you.
Um so let me get back to the placement
map. So yeah, I was saying that these
are kind of the focus areas where we are
proposing wayfinding signage at this
stage. So going from west to east, we
have um presidential rail trail area,
the downtown connector trail, which I'll
explain a little bit soon, the future
community trail hub, and then kind of
closer to downtown Gorum, we have the
Pine Mountain trail head, the Goran
Common, the Andrew River access, and the
Carter Maria trail head. And just as a
reminder, you know, one of the key
things that we were thinking about when
we were developing this draft kind of
placement plan is how we can connect
those key recreational destinations with
the downtown. So we're looking at all
these routes that are for walking,
biking, and driving throughout the town.
Uh so we'll start again from the west
heading to the east. So this is the
first focus area that we have included
here. So, we have the future community
trail hub and Mike maybe it might be
good to kind of explain what the trail
hub will be to folks who might not be
familiar with this before I move on.
>> Yeah, sure. So, uh, the trail head trail
hub um was a project um that came about
seven years back again born out of that
rural uh recreation economy for rural
communities planning process and the
town received a northern border regional
commission grant to acquire this parcel
of land next to the VIP um up on Main
Street and next to the existing trail
head that sits at the uh trestle that
goes over uh Route and the Chicago
River. Um, this project will expand the
available parking um as well as um
create a few other amenities for folks
that are recreating um in Gorum. It will
serve as direct access to the
presidential rail trails in Power Island
as well as just a stopping point for
folks that are um traveling through the
area as well as a river access point for
the Chicago River.
>> Thank you, Mike. Sorry. Sorry to pick
you up, but I thought that would be
important since, you know, such such a
cool exciting project that's going to be
implemented soon.
>> So, you know, it's construction hasn't
started yet, but to give everyone, you
know, some more background. So, this is
Route 2 right here. So, as I mentioned
before, it's own the roadway is owned by
the state. So, we are limited on the
types of signs that we can implement
facing the roadway. But as a way to
highlight the future community trail
hub, we have these two tourist oriented
directional signs from both directions
to kind of indicate the presence of the
future trail hub right here. And then at
the existing parking lot here having a
bicycle pedestrian sign. Um important to
show the array of other locations that
uh trail users here can access from this
point. Yeah, go ahead. Um is there a
reason you wouldn't have um a kiosk
there? Do you that you're choosing this
sign instead of a kiosk sign?
>> Yeah. So that is a great point something
brought up. So there is an existing kind
of kiosk at this location here. So the
thought was you know leverage the
existing you know wayfinding Texas
signage we have here and then kind of
enhance that a little bit more with some
additional signage here. So the kiosk
could have, you know, the map and other
information, but you know, having a very
dedicated bicycle pedestrian sign could
really complement that existing signage.
>> Yeah. Important to note that one of the
cool things about this um this wayinding
design guide is that it will be able is
design is meant to be an evergreen or
very long-term planning resource. So
that as kiosk is being replaced, you
could it maybe doesn't meet the current
design standard this uh design guide
sets. you could then use the design
guide to replace those kiosks with with
you know to bring them up to the current
standard. And so as a new recreational
amenity might emerge say um on the some
of the new parcels that were required by
the town and the town forest you know we
might see new opportunities new
recreation um amenities kind of crop up
just because they aren't identified in
the current placement plan. They'll this
this design guide will still still be
able to be used to create signage that
mirrors everything that's been kind of
established to date um but can be you
know utilized for new new opportunities
beside that.
>> Yeah.
>> Mike. [clears throat]
Um so yeah so we have that one bike ped
sign on this side where the future trail
up and where the existing parking with
the presidential rail trail trestle
access is. And we also thought that you
know there is directly across the street
there is the access row to the uh ATV
trails. So you know adding some sort of
signage right here kind of showing what
the other destinations in Goro are that
we can access from that we thought would
be good from you know both wayfinding
but also economic development at this
spot.
Yeah. So this is the community trail hub
location. I'm going to continue moving
on, but if anyone has any questions,
again, please, you know, do chime in.
Uh, so then we have this focus area of
the presidential rail trail. So, there's
a lot going on here. I'll explain
everything. So, if you look at the right
side over here, so the existing parking
lot for the presidential rail trail is
right here. And we have an existing
kiosk at this location here. So, similar
to the community trail hub, we're hoping
to leverage that existing kiosk. Uh,
putting up some blade directionals to
try and show the array of options that
people have from that place and then
putting these bicycle pedestrian signs
directly on the presidential rail trail
itself so that if you're on the trail,
you know, for example, that you could
maybe connect to the downtown in order
to picnize some of the businesses or
access some other trails. So, two of
these bike pad signs here and then
there's also no existing signage for
drivers on route two right here
indicating that the presidential
railroad parking lot is there. So,
putting up those TOD signs on both
directions to indicate the existence of
the presidential rail trail. Yes, you
have a question.
>> Um, I like the blue signs. Um, have you
talked to the Bureau of Trails about
putting signs on the rail trail?
We have not engaged with uh the trails
bureau yet. No,
>> because they've come up because they're
trying to come up with some kind of
standardized signage. So,
>> so for putting signs on the rail trail,
the Bureau of Trails is your next
contact.
>> Next contact. Yeah, we did show earlier
on uh the that collage of existing
[clears throat] wayfinding signers. So
yeah, they do have that existing kind of
like color and brand. Um, so we've kind
of planned out where the signs could go,
but if we need to kind of pivot and
maybe do it in the design style that the
trails bureau has, similar to the entry
dot, that's something we can we can
consider. But at least we know where the
signs should go.
>> And so when you're putting signs when
there's an existing kiosk and you're
putting additional signs, are you
putting them right next to the kiosk
like so that so that you're kind of just
>> Yeah. Yeah. thought I think for us is
that you know a kiosk kind of is already
inviting. So you know putting some boo
signage [clears throat] like these like
blade directionals like adjacent to the
kiosk could kind of make it very clear
that this is kind of the gathering spot.
This is the location where we kind of
get more information and get more you
know information
in the gor.
Um, so I was saying that we have the TOD
signs kind of letting people know about
the presidential rail trail. And then
directly across from that access point
is the start of the co-ass trails and
the downtown connector trail. Um, we
have a specific slide for that in a
moment, but I'll just indicate that you
know where the co-ass trails are. We
have an existing kiosk there too, but we
just want to enhance that with with
another bike head sign that will show in
addition to the co-ass trails. some of
the other destinations Boring has to
offer. Um, so I'll get into the downtown
connected trail on the next slide, but
the other portion of this slide here is
focused more so on Moose Brook State
Park. So, similar to how we had on the
Presidential Rail Trail, kind of two
bike bed signs, kind of the same thing
here, one in each direction. Uh, and we
thought it would also be important to
indicate with vehicular signs, the
presence of the presidential rail trail
since it isn't exactly signed when
you're traveling up Jimtown Road. So,
including the vehicular signs on both
sides to indicate the presence of the
trail since there might be trail users
crossing and also give awareness of the
trail itself for safety purposes, but
also getting it out there. You know,
presidential rail trail um is here and
you have access to it. There is also an
existing parking area um over here. So,
we thought, you know, as the
supplemental parking area, we could sign
that so that folks can use it in
addition to the parking lot down here.
And one thing because we're so zoomed in
on this slide right here, we would want
to indicate that we're proposing a
pedestrian bicycle sign, the entrance to
Mooseport State Park just to let people
know that may be visiting the park or
staying overnight there. um you know
some of the other destinations that they
can access down Jimtown Road,
presidential rail trail or even this
downtown connector trail.
And now speaking of the downtown
connector trail. So you know we were
just looking at the presidential rail
trail up here. You can see some of the
other signs. So one of the key things we
wanted to think about was like how could
we connect the presidential rail trail
with core of downtown. So, we thought
that leveraging some of the existing
trails that could, you know, take people
off road would be very beneficial to
help bring people by walking and biking
to the downtown. So, we'd be leveraging
some of the existing co-ass trails and
some some local roads. But if we're
going from west to east, you can see
from the Presidential Rail Trail kind of
this route right here. And along it we
have, you know, these confirmation signs
because there are points where there may
be an intersection where we want to let
people know this is the right direction
you should be going in along this
downtown connector trail. One of the
other important things about including
this confirmation signage is that the
Loro airport is right here. And one of
the things we heard from the town is
that there's really a need to make sure
that people aren't wandering into the
airports since it can be active with
flights taking place. So along this
route using the confirmation signage not
only connects people to the downtown but
also prevents people from getting into
the airspace where they should not be
traveling. So this route goes along you
know local trails and then ends at
Belleview Belleview Street where we
would be proposing a bike head sign at
the intersection with Main Street um to
connect people to and from that trail.
I think it's worth noting that this down
connector downtown connector trail
follows a wellestablished dirt road for
its entirety. Um, and really this this
idea came out of conversations with
state park. Um, said that they have
their their visitors often come come
with bicycles and would love to know how
to get to town from the state park in a
safe manner.
>> Yeah. Um as well as in talking to the
cross and Hampshire Adventure Trail
folks um there again if people are
coming across their crossstate ride
giving people that kind of the direction
on how to get into downtown for services
uh without having to kind of ride along
what is kind of a
>> a very busy um highway there route two
and that upper end of 316.
>> Yeah. And I'm not sure about the
presence of like sidewalks along the
entirety of this. So this kind of really
allows people to kind of
>> Yeah. you know, more safely to kind of
take their trip off road so that they
could be very, you know, separated from
high volume vehicle traffic.
>> And then we looked at a more direct
route that followed some of the more of
the kind of co-op trail system pipeline,
but those ended up being far too
technical
for that kind of all all person access.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's good for us
at this stage to kind of propose
something that, you know, can be
accessible to more people than being,
you know, too out of reach for a lot of
users, trail users.
>> Cool. Thank you for bringing that up.
Yeah.
>> So,
so once we get kind of from the downtown
connected trail, then we're getting into
forum comment and we are viewing, you
know, this is kind of like this the
common as the central area of the
downtown and there are all these
different branches of recreational
destinations that again branch power the
town comp. So, I'll start from left to
right. We have Exchange Street right
here. It's a one-way road going south
towards Railroad Street. So, you know,
there's going to be a lot of people who
might be parked here because of the
businesses that might be going to the
Medallion Opera House right here or even
just doing other things on the town
common. So, we thought having at the
street corner right here the uh blade
directionals coupled with the pedestrian
bike sign right here, that'd be a great
way to show people what the array of
recreational destinations are that are
accessible from the um location right
here. Also, coupling that with some
vehicular signage that could help
indicate, you know, I'll talk about this
in a moment, where the High Mountain
trail head is to uh the left. to look at
the screen how the town comment
continues to the right and then
indicating the directions of where
people can access parking. So that's
just very abundantly clear in addition
to the parking on Exchange Street, more
parking on Railroad Street to the left
and right.
Um I'm going to talk about these three
signs in the next slide. So put that on
pause for now. But if you look at the
center here, this is the town common
area. And we talked about before that
there's some existing way uh an existing
kiosk set up in [clears throat] this
area of the common. You know, we've
talked about potentially moving that
closer to the information booth that's
right here. But we thought as part of
this project proposing kiosk
[clears throat]
coupled with blade directionals on one
end and then on the other end another
kiosk depending on which direction
you're coming from. Kiosk here, blade
directionals and bike and pedestrian
signage. Um, this could really give
people, you know, no matter what side of
the common you're on, access to this
importantly fun stores. You know, what
destinations can I access by walking and
biking from a common?
And, you know, there's existing parking
all along Railroad Street. There are
parking stalls that are painted out, but
there are, you know, some parking spaces
over here. So, we're thinking that, you
know, let people know about the
abundance of parking and actually sign
that so people know what's accessible.
And then, you know, we're trying to as
well kind of let people know by driving
where the parking areas are. So, we have
a to sign that would, you know, be
pointing to Railroad Street parking to
the left. And this to sign here, there
are some, we're not showing it on the
screen right here, but there is another
co-as trail. You can see actually the
line that goes directly to their parking
lot here. So, we're proposing um
pointing out that parking and that trail
access through this project as well.
So this is one of the three branches
from the uh you know town common
downtown area. So what we're looking at
is the Pine Mountain Trail head road. So
this is Railroad Street right here. So
we were just looking at Exchange Street
which would be a little bit over here to
the right. But basically, we want
Railroad Street to act as, you know, a
place where people can park, where
people can drive, to act as a high
mountain trail head that people can
walk. Like, so along Railroad Street,
there's more of this parking that runs
adjacent to it, headed parking. So, we
want to make sure that sign because it's
not too intuitive with how it is now
that that parking is allowed there. But
once we get to this lot right here, this
is what we're proposing as the, you
know, official parking for the Pine
Mountain Trail Head. It's down here.
There actually isn't any parking
available on the street or at the ranger
station here. So, what we're trying to
achieve through vehicle signage right
here indicating Pine Mountain Trail Head
parking is in this lot right here with
accompanying side signage saying, you
know, this is a parking lot and this is
where you park if you want to access the
Pine Mountain Trail then. And, you know,
because this would be pedestrian route
as well, we have bike ped signage here
that would guide people down Church
Street in order to access the trail
head. But as I said before, there's also
in this location that this is the co-op
trail that I mentioned before that is
adjacent to Big Day Breu that connects
to Big Day Brewing. So at this key
junction point right here, we also want
to include signage that lets people know
you can either access the town common by
going up Church Street or the High
Mountain Trail Head, another co-op trail
network by going south.
And at the Pine Mountain Trail Head
itself, down here at the bottom of the
screen, we have a proposed kiosk as one
of those key recreational destinations
that could use a map or other
information. Another bike pad sign to
let people know maybe they're ending
their hike and they want to go see some
of the destinations downtown. They have
that information there. And the final
bit is on Prominance Street. So, we were
thinking through if somebody's driving
from the south up north and they put a
Pine Mountain trail into their phone,
it's going to take them up Promont
Street and they might not know that
parking isn't allowed here. So, putting
up a vehicular sign that kind of says
Pine Mountain Trail bed parking church
street, you know, that can actually
guide people to that designated parking
lot right here along street.
>> I like it. Yeah.
>> Thank you.
And then this is the second bridge I was
referring to. So this is the Carter
trail head. So you know existing access
to the trail head is from Route 2. So
there's a second TOD sign here, but
having them on both sides for vehicles
to drive down Bangor Street. You know,
there is a new trail head. And one of
the things that we heard from the town
and from our other local stakeholders is
that with the new trail head, there's a
need to really formalize the actual
parking area so that folks aren't
[clears throat] using parking outside
the private residencies on Bangor
Street. So having, you know, parking
sign, a vehicle oriented sign that kind
of indicates the trail, but also the
parking for it is a good way to make
sure that we're preserving, you know,
the local road for residents and
directing them to the designated parking
in this area. So that is the driving
route that we're signing for with the
car traillet. But then there's this
pedestrian bicycle route that we'd like
to uh that's being proposed through this
project. So in this corner, this is the
town common um with some of the other
kiosk and blade directionals we spoke
about, but we're proposing this route
that would use Washington Street, Mil
Street, and the swinging bridge right
here as a good way to connect people
from the town common to the trail head
if they want to access the caravore
trail. So along this we have these
confirmation signs that are used
junctions. We also have a
[clears throat] bicycle pedestrian sign
here that kind of indicates, you know,
from the trail head which destinations
can bring you back to the town and our
other ones throughout the town. So, this
is something that we were kind of
excited to really expand that walking
hiking network throughout town and board
so that you know you don't have to get
out by driving. You can finish up the
trail. You can leave your car there.
Maybe you just want to walk over the
town and get some more exercise in
steps.
And then the last focus area we have.
There we go. It's catching up.
>> There we go. So, this is the last focus
area we have, which is the Fogging River
access. So, there's three portions to
this focus area that I want to get into.
Uh, the first one being for, you know,
vehicles. So
what we're trying to do with this
routing here is to get people to the
Helena parking area. And to do that, you
know, obviously you need to use Main
Street. And you know, there are several
streets kind of north [clears throat] of
Main Street that could be considered.
You know, our firm, we specialize in
engineering and we also want to make
sure that our driving routes, bicycle,
pedestrian routes are as safe as
possible. So in green we have
highlighted here this uh safe access
most accessible route that could bring
people from Main Street to the Howland
parking area. So you see we're proposing
Alpine Street, Palmer Street and
eventually on the Howland where that
parking area is for river access. So in
order to highlight this we'll have two
uh to signs on both sides of the
roadway. on Main Street. Uh we will have
a bicycle pedestrian sign at the
entryway to Alpine Street to make as a
visual cue for bicyclist and pedestrians
who may be at the town common using the
crosswalk here or at this location. Um
and then we have vehicular signs
proposed at these three intersections
kind of indicating what the route is. So
you'll notice that we don't have bike
head signs at each location too just
because the vehicle clear signs will be
large enough presumably for a pedestrian
to see. So we're not trying to be
duplicatus with our signage here. Uh
once you get to the Halet parking area
parking sign. So that is the route that
we're hoping for people to gain access
to the Androscopic River. And then
there's also the portage route that we
have here. So uh this is a barrier here.
There is um a dam here. So someone in a
boat cannot actually pass through the
river down here. So there needs to be a
portage. So we have the portage signs
that we are proposing putting at the
riverfront at the parking lot for the
Howland A indicating the portage route.
And then continuing down, uh this is
where I mentioned we'll have portage
confirmation signs at each of these
points. So this design will be slightly
different. And then we'll have the
portage in at this location where you
would put your vessel back into the
water.
And then the final bit about this focus
area is that there's an existing uh
parking area here and I believe it's the
DPW building. And we heard from the town
and stakeholders that it might be nice
to kind of sign this area with ice
pedestrian signage both at the parking
area and at this kind of junction point
with the hydroelect electric down road
just to kind of give an idea of you know
you can access you know the riverfront
here, the portage road here just to kind
of enhance the existing areas but um not
including any parking signage on Main
Street highlighting that parking area.
Cool.
Well,
you know, I'm going to go back one. So,
those were all of the focus areas that
we had for the placement plan right now.
I know that was like a lot of
information, but if anyone has any, you
know, questions about why some of these
routes [clears throat] were created, um,
why some signs were included somewhere
but not another location, you know,
we're we're all open ears right now. I'd
love to get some feedback and you know
if we can go back to that focus area
slide so you can get an idea about you
know all these different locations where
signage will be I'll go to this one
actually
>> in that last slide they access
>> yes
>> you said after talking how many people
in town he thought it was best not to
put the parking sign outside the Okay
>> yeah so keep So it so that's so locals
will know it's parking and people
driving in town will drive by.
>> Yeah, exactly. And I think the parking,
you know, the parking there is just so
minimal as well if I remember. So you
know side parking may not be great for a
large visitors. So focusing more on that
parking area was the priority for
stopping access.
I think it's worth noting that there
[clears throat] is existing portage
portage signage. This would just be
update updating it.
>> It's kind of weird right now. It's kind
of old sign. It's kind of hard to
>> Yeah. This just brings it in line with
the broader sign.
>> That's what I forgot to mention that
existing signage that John is navigating
to red signage.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And another one right over there.
>> Yeah. So those locations
exist. It's just bringing amended line.
>> Yeah. And I think when we went out there
in the winter, we saw that wasn't
totally clear where like the end point
was or where it continues. So because of
that, we think that kind of because
added quartage signs are needed kind of
getting the rest of them kind of
consistent would be needed as well.
Go back to all that.
Facebook size.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it would be it would be neat to see
um a mockup of what these signs would
look like if I'm walking down the
street. like, you know, like I see on
paper where they're going to go,
[clears throat]
>> but like when I'm walking down the
street, how big is it? Um, is it on an
existing post? Is it on a telephone
pole? Is it in someone's yard? Yeah. I
just um I just I'd like a visual.
I mean, I like it. I like um you know,
it'll be a lot more clear.
>> Yeah. where to go
>> because I guess
sometimes like that's a lot of signs so
it' be nice to know that it wouldn't be
that
>> over signs.
>> Yeah, I mean I appreciate all all the
work you put into this.
>> Yeah, thank you.
So, if there are no other questions on
the placement plan right now, maybe
maybe Danielle could um kind of give a
summary of kind of these two design
styles. Again, just to summarize.
>> Yeah, really to close, we just wanted to
circle back to both of these options um
for you all. Again, option one, you
know, I'll just reiterate, both of these
were born out of the Gorum Outdoors
logo. This is this is the continuation
of that work um of moving that branding
into wayfinding assignment. And so
option one is kind of the very um
obvious direct descendant of that. And
option two
presents sort of a more modern um you
know it's got that different font which
we've heard that you know maybe that one
is more legible than the other one. But
we wanted to just close and reiterate
showing this whole sign of channeling
together. Have some scale figures on
here.
And with that, that kind of brings us to
the end to
>> Yeah. Mike, do you mind uh closing us
out?
>> Sure. Yeah. Thanks for uh your your good
questions this evening and thanks to
anybody who's uh watching this video
after we close out tonight. Um we look
forward to um ongoing conversation
around as we work to finalize the the
signage plan for for Gorum um through
this work. Um as mentioned we'll be
convening our destination management
group on the 25th I think it was 24th of
June.
>> 25th
>> 25th of June. Thank you. Um so that will
you know this these questions and notes
will be brought into that conversation
as well as any other feedback that gets
um uh submitted through the survey that
is going to put on the town website or
the town website that will create um and
yeah we appreciate everyone's engagement
today and for the great work that McCor
has done on this project and um excited
to see u where we end up when we're all
said and done. Yeah.
>> Thanks a lot for coming out tonight.
Thanks everyone. [laughter]
>> Yeah, thank you. Thank you.
>> I'm pretty happy with it.
>> Good.
>> I
Does anybody know how to Oh, here we go.
Got it.
>> I'm secondguing um my thought about a
light background and darker print
>> because you know I'm thinking about the
DOT signs. Those are blue and white and
those are clear. So maybe it's one thing
on paper and it's another thing when
you're on the road.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
>> you know, it also could be just a
thought that we've noted that the the
font on option two is is more readable,
it could just be simply that, right?
Because if the font on option two is
brought into option one,
>> yeah,
>> it might it might kind of solve for that
kind of readability. I I'll pay more
attention to signs and see how much the
background matters.
>> Yeah. Because like maybe when you're
driving down the road,
>> you don't need light to catch a light
surface to catch your eye. So
>> just on paper, that's how it was
looking.
>> Yeah. Mhm.
And now that I think about it now, most
of the roadway signs that you know the
federal [clears throat] government puts
out have all those colors in the
background like the green green
background, white text, brown, white,
blue as well.
>> So that could be kind of a
>> sure it's probably scale, it's probably
font
playing into the
>> per perception of readability.
>> Yeah.
>> In this kind of presentation.
>> What a designer reality. Yeah, exactly.
>> Watch the sign design most visibility
taken in the environment around it too.
>> Mhm. Yeah, absolutely.
>> Yeah. One of the things I will note is
that majority of the signs are really
like you know these pedestrian bicycle
confirmation blade directionals like the
local road signs. They're probably like
one of the least number that you've
proposed so far. So it's really kind of
most of the signs are
>> [clears throat]
>> for bicyclists and pedestrians. So, um,
and they're just like that.
>> You know, one of the things is that, uh,
when you're dealing with business people
and everything else, you try to tell
them that the smallest sign within this
the various distances with the least
amount of information on it is the one
that people will remember.
>> Oh yeah, absolutely.
>> And,
you know, same as political science. the
political science of people got flags
and arrows and stars and everything
else, but you can't read the van,
>> right?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. I think um I I was really I've
been really excited about how this
project has kind of the trajectory, how
it's evolved. I think we started this
conversation thinking a lot about uh
motor vehicle direction.
>> Yeah. And we've really kind of trended
towards this idea of, you know, Gorm has
a very defined center. And if we can
convince people to that there's an
opportunity to park a vehicle and not
get back into it till you leave town for
the night or whatever or the day, then
just providing that like walkability of
the community, whether those sorts of
like hidden things like that, the
swinging bridge which can get you to the
the trail head over there without having
to drive. Um,
>> yeah. you know, when I when I I don't go
very travel very far, but when I do, I
want to get out of it.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, has it also
the effect of reducing maybe in the long
term reducing congestion on the roads
and
>> well, there's there's a roadway project
being designed right now for Main
Street, right? Peter
>> sidewalks. Yeah,
>> it's just sidewalks.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah, that's what they're going to be
discussing over there.
>> Okay. So none of the roadway
cross-section at all being considered
different.
>> Yeah,
>> it depends
>> like are they touching the roadway or
just moving the curve for
>> Well, it depends upon which options they
take and decide how much money they
decide to spend.
>> And whether or not they're uh
going to keep it to a pedestrian
sidewalk.
>> Has there been kind of like a shared use
path kind of considered? The roadways
are very
>> The thing is this is a federal grant and
the federal grant is for pedestrian
and if we do anything
that is against the federal grant
we're paying the federal government
back.
>> Do you know what it is like grant or
program?
>> I I can't remember the actual name of
it.
>> I think sure like I think the share use
bats are something it's a
So the whole idea of putting so the
people who want snowmobiles back on the
sidewalks
>> which is the reason why the sidewalks
are so destroyed.
>> Yeah. Gotcha.
>> Yeah. When I say shares path I'm not
talking like a recreational path like we
have a lot of these in Massachusetts
where I live where they're you know
instead of putting um you know
>> like instead of like sidewalks on both
sides and on street bike lanes like you
can opt to having something that's like
completely off streetet and like a green
buffer or something like that.
business side.
>> I've seen some of those designs and I
think they could work in the proper
areas, but because we're so congested on
the main street, I really am not much in
favor of that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I [clears throat] just
noticed it was a very wide street, so
there's a lot of rightway to work with.
So, I didn't know what was on the table
or not.
>> I would like to find a way for the
the bicycle path to come through, but it
wouldn't have to. If we can get it from
upper route two
>> down below down towards Sheldon.
>> Yeah.
>> Without having to go through main street
I think would be safer for the cyclist.
>> Totally%
>> but business people
>> about some of them but not all of them
because some some bicyclists well
whoever bike to businesses.
I want you to come back.
>> But actually, you know what? Um, is
there recreational parking behind road
block
>> at one point?
>> Oh, well, that's that's a situation that
there is a parking that all those lots
were sold and to Burger King and they
bought all of those. Um,
the lot is way in the back of the road.
Um
that was part of uh the Roadhog
situation. But Terry McGillary when he
bought that when he bought the Burger
King lot didn't buy it
>> but they had Road Hog has a right away
for that lot. So they got a right of
usage for that.
>> Okay.
So, um,
right now, uh, the Asian place is
renting the carry
>> and, um, but, uh, the Roadhog Jack is
the thing. Yeah, he's got he's got a
right away to that. So, he could use it
technically.
>> Okay. So, it's not open for because I
just know it was it was an option for at
one point it was discussed ATV trailers
can park there, but that's not
>> that would be something that would have
to be discussed. That's not a no no. And
it's not [clears throat]
uh anything that h it would have to be
discussed and you'd have to find a legal
way through it all.
>> Okay.
>> So, it's not off the table.
>> Okay. It's not it's not existing either
just yet.
>> Right. No. But that's something that we
could do.
Uh, I think the idea now is to make
everybody happy is that if we could find
if we do put in the sidewalk is to find
some way and I think there is I think
we're just going to research and survey
that, but I think we can find off the
Stonefield Trail a way down and
designate one of the off residential
streets
to that spot. And I think if they can
get there, then that's uh part of the
deal.
>> And so park at the end of the
residential street and walk walk into
town.
>> Y
>> but I don't know if I would go.
>> All right. End of the