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We've got to be affirmed the minutes of the meeting of August 6,
2026 as amended.
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Do everyone have a chance to review the mouth?
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All right.
So we have non-public meeting minutes of August 6, 2026.
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justice in the public.
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I have that option because we do say M for minutes.
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Everyone's had a chance to review the mail.
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Moving on to cases.
So this is going to have to read again.
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No word change.
I think that I would know. All right. I always want to say civil discourse. That's the problem.
Then it says discussion. I'm like, yeah. You can say discourse. No, no. I have to read the
surgeon. I'm encouraging. Are you saying? Really? Are you saying that?
A dad lived. Oh. Because I do it between discourse and discussion now. Yeah. Well, okay.
Watch out for October. They're close in the dictionary. They're close. They're close. They both start with this.
This is a conceptual discussion with Tyler Stratton.
Tyler is on Zoom with us tonight.
He is in the process of purchasing the village store.
He is planning on opening a pizza.
Tyler, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to say a break oven pizza oven.
And he's going to be, he is possibly going to be
adding a cafe in the morning with, you know, delightful coffee and baked goods.
So this is a change from what had been approved because I have your information right under here.
The second thing is not a simple, a stable, but a real staple.
This was the last site plan that was approved by the planning board, which was pure goods, drinks,
and it was pure food, the gentleman who had the smoothies, fruit, it was still a general store,
but it was all organic produce and things like that.
And in the past, in fact, this year in the past, in the past, in January, you guys made a determination
that anybody who wants to open anything other than a general store at the, at the, anything other than a general store,
needs to come to the planning board for a new site plan.
So Tyler's knows that part, but the question is, will he need a variance, any variances to be able
to do what he wants to do, which at first is going to be open the pizza restaurant, and then
possibly in the future, add a residential use to the second floor.
But step one is pizza.
Step two is apartment.
All right.
Now, Tyler, did I make any mistake?
Not really.
And before I, you know, start in here, I just want to apologize for the connection I have about five minutes before seven.
Well, I can see myself on the background there.
I'm at a campsite in northern Vermont, and I am now on a picnic.
table at the top of a hill where I inexplicably have cell phone service.
So we lost power here and the Wi-Fi's out.
So that's, you know, meant to be if you're able to see me.
It's all good.
Yeah.
Michelle, we would like to do cafe service, you know, seven to noon.
That's a model that we piloted up here in Vermont, and it works very well for us with pizza
from three to eight, three to nine.
I am, you know, taking feedback as to what the town would want as far as ours.
We tend to tailor our offerings to feedback and what we get back from residents.
As far as the residential use goes, the only path forward for a residential use to that building,
where I would be applying for a mixed use variance for that would be.
if we were able to get an abutter easement.
We have a preliminary conversation with Charlie Corey, who is the only abutting property
that would have the necessary acreage to allow us to have expanded wastewater water usage.
Outside of that, it will likely stay strictly commercial.
So just to make just then just kind of scope things.
So right now you're really interested in what variances, if any,
are needed specifically for the cafe and pizza purpose.
We're going to disregard the potential residential use at this time.
Does that sound fair?
Let's operate on that assumption.
Yeah.
And if I, you know, should we proceed to a point in the future where we're able to achieve that?
I'll be right back here at a conceptual meeting.
Okay.
That's reasonable.
All right.
Well, thank you.
In your packet that has the staple of stables, I put in the downtown village district, I put in the downtown
village district.
because that is the location where the village store is located.
And at this point, then the only question I had, so this is why we're bringing it,
so we want to make sure that there's lots of eyes on this.
610.08 is design requirements for new construction.
This was my question.
Given that he's going to be doing a lot of refurbishing on the inside,
are we going to consider this new construction?
since this is a different use than was there before, but is it new construction?
Because if it's new construction, I think he would hit just about everything except for the sidewalk.
Number four.
Hit everything, meaning meet the requirements?
He would absolutely meet the requirements.
The primary entrance, oriented to the street.
One pedestrian amenity, because there's a bike rack there.
There's also sidewalks along the front of the building.
There is pedestrian and.
access connecting the property entrance to the main building because you just walk
across the parking lot.
There's no sidewalk on the steam mill hill side.
And then create a sense of entry into the site.
It's got a step.
It's got greenery there.
It's got giant windows in the front.
That seems very pedestrian.
I think everybody where the front is.
Yeah.
It's obvious what the front is.
And he does, well, not have tradition.
sense of landscaping. He does have the planter on one side. And there is a little green space
right by the corner of the where the water is and the sidewalk is on his lot. I'm sure he can
throw some flowers in there. So, Tyler, any of the changes you're considering for this initial
phase, changing the external footprint of the building, any expansion or anything like that?
No.
any changes to the external portion of the building at all, like the, you know, outside
facing?
So besides refurbishing it, painting it, bringing it back to being something very presentable,
my sense is, is that this building has been neglected for a very long period of time.
Yeah, it's more than just a sense.
I've had structural engineers out.
It's a, I will say, without any hesitation.
that if I or somebody else does not acquire this building in the next couple of years,
it's going in the river, that brook.
We've had structural engineers.
We've had,
everyone's been through it.
We've done our due diligence on the building.
It's, we, there's a range of work that could be done to make it.
structurally good, again.
We plan to do whatever it takes to make it.
If you're saying outside of the footprint, you know, the vertical footprint of the building, no.
But underneath it, absolutely.
There's a good amount of work to be done there.
Okay.
I mean, are you thinking it's going to be a situation where you're taking it down to the studs or anything like that and starting on?
No, no, no.
I didn't think so.
Okay.
Yeah, so I just want to clarify, like, in my opinion, this is not new construction.
Okay.
So I'm just throwing that out there.
I agree.
I guess the question is, do we have a definition for new construction?
Because I have one in my head.
Yeah, but I don't know.
Plain language.
Yeah, plain language to me.
New construction is, here's an empty lot.
You're building a new building.
Right.
Or you're doing something to add to the existing footprint.
Yeah.
I mean, to me, this is, this.
This is more a renovation, that new construction.
That would be my agreement.
If it wasn't changing ownership, then they wanted to do the same work.
Exactly.
They wouldn't even be coming to us.
Well, he does have to come to us for the state plan, but not for it.
The point of it was a convenience store.
If it was already running as a convenience store, right.
If it was running as a convenience store and they needed to do the structural work to the building, it's not.
Or even if he was planning to put in a convenience store and very, sure, wouldn't have to come here.
Right.
probably going to have to do some work to the outside, but I think it will probably be more long
lines of cosmetic, like, working on getting rid of some of the weeds in the back, so you can
actually see the back of the building.
Yeah. Or, you know, we just had a septic inspection, and they highly recommended that.
Yeah.
No surprise.
Yeah.
You know, maybe some of the sliding needs to be replaced.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's why I was asking those questions.
Like, I don't think there's anything.
Yeah, I mean, you know, if the idea is to not change the external for print,
which is what I think the ordinance was driving at, you know, if you're going to be changing
the outside appearance, then these are the things that you want to do.
Okay.
Yeah.
Were there any other parts of the ordinance that we were?
I didn't have anything.
That was the only thing I was to think about at this point was whether this would be, because
I know there's going to be a lot of construction, but it's all going to be really on the inside.
Right.
But since this is the first time we're really test-driving this, I would like lots of input,
not less, but more.
So is there anything else that I would be missing if this is just going to be strictly neutral use?
Which is, this is really the only lot that that can be the case on.
And that's because of the existing use, not because of, so that's, and I think that's the area
what I want to really think about is, is it really the downtown village district, or is it the existing use that's driving a lot of it here?
because if it was the downtown village district purely, this use wouldn't be allowed.
Well, except for the fact that there was a variance that says a review by the ZBA that said it is.
What do you mean by a recent?
If you look at your thing in the state vault, apart with the same ball.
The old one like the old.
Right.
The ZBA did weigh in.
Did I see that or did I just give you guys everything twice?
I hope I didn't give you everything twice.
And I do have everything twice, but,
doesn't mean you can give something else.
Well, I have everything twice as well.
Oh, okay.
Well, I apologize.
So you don't have a recent review?
No, in 2019, the ZBA determined.
Well, yeah, I guess it's recent.
2019, the ZBA determined that as long as this was the village store deed and they keep it as a commercial use,
that a variance is not required for the commercial use.
Or any future commercial use.
For any future commercial use.
They didn't make a determination.
They just said a variance wasn't going to be needed.
And I apologize.
I really thought that's what I printed out.
Okay.
So if we're continuing just a commercial news.
You still need to, you guys determine in January that if it is anything other than a convenience store or general store,
they would need to come in for a site plan review.
Right.
But I thought we're talking about.
Does he need a variance?
Correct.
And I think the thought.
is he does not?
Because there is, because there is no plan for a residential component at this time.
And that, you know, I think Eric's point is completely valid that the DDD is not the driving thing
right now.
That's right.
So, and the reason I was bringing it up is just like all the, there's other other parts of the
ordinance we need to consider, because I don't think it's here.
As long as he's not going to, he has to, he still has to.
He still has to adhere to the sign ordinance.
Outdoor lighting because there's a commercial use.
Yeah.
All the, and all the site plan.
Right, all the site client stuff, like, that we would normally ask for.
Which I don't think there's any sort of anything.
Parking.
Well, I think that's why we want to be able to review whatever type of business is coming in
if it's not going to be a convenience store, right?
It can't be something that's going to have a super huge increase in parking needs
because it's very short on parking as it is.
So question for you, Tyler, is the idea that, you know, would you have any tables and chairs
where people could, you know, sit, enjoy their coffee and baked goods in the morning or pizza and beer in the evening?
So the answer is, I wish.
The restrictions on that building as far as parking is one of them.
and I believe that there's seven spots, which would afford us, I believe in Brookline,
five or six seats per parking lot.
But the wastewater limitations there, as dictated by the state, we have 300 gallons per day,
and that does not allocate us many seats.
So, again, if not for being able to expand, and it's a simple,
as property lines, really. It's not our capacity with our septic system. It's because of the size
of the lot. So at this time, it would be no seats. Yes, we would have a couple of benches in there
if people wanted to sit while they wait, but it would not be table service. Okay. I very much
wish that it would be because that's more of our style of service. We want that to be. We want that to
be a community gathering place.
Once acquiring, we would continue to try to find ways of providing that.
Yeah. Okay.
And I think he is underestim the thing that you could put on that space, just that right now,
I think there's seven spaces.
I think there could be a couple more than that.
But even if he had, usually for this kind of restaurant, you want to have three, you want to
to estimate three people per car.
Um, so if he's got seven spaces, I mean, that's a fairly good size number of people.
Can you imagine, like, 21 people in that space?
Yeah.
That, I, I, um, it seems like that might be intimate.
And we know what the most recent fire, um, like occupancy limit is on the film?
I do not.
Yeah.
I was curious.
Because it really wouldn't have been, I don't know that, uh, um,
a permit for assembly would have been given for a store.
Yeah.
Um, what it's worth, I have had J.P. Roya through.
Um, we've talked about it.
And, uh, he does not really have any concerns about the, um, usage of the space from a fire perspective.
Uh, he gave me a handful of things that he'd like to see, you know, updated exit lights, that kind of thing.
But otherwise, it's a very.
In and out kind of space, should the worst happen, there's very clear exits and, uh, pretty, pretty easy setup.
Okay.
Tyler, uh, Jerry Roach here.
Um, I'm also on the select board.
And I take it by listening to you that this is not your first or second restaurant.
Am I right?
This would be like, right?
I'm sorry?
Five.
Uh, the fifth of this, uh, this brand, yes.
this stone syrup pizza, uh, this will be our fifth operating sixth that we've done, uh,
and somewhere around my 28th, uh, all together.
Wow.
What, um, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what,
what, what, what, what, what, what, uh, so my wife grew up in Nashua, um, and, and we have spent a lot of
time in the area.
We, uh, have recently welcomed a partner to our mix, uh, who grew up in
in hollow us.
I mean, how long do you want me to talk about this?
Because book line to me is a, it is a bit of a bull's eye for us.
I, um, I, I, I asked a lot of questions, most of which are probably should, but I'm, I'm just
curious.
I don't be killed.
Uh, no, Brook, Brookline hits all of our, our, uh, uh, uh, uh, brook line hits all of our, our,
desired metrics, um, whether that's the, uh, traffic flow, whether that's meeting income,
population.
We, we've created a brand and a model that operates, uh, by being where people live, not where
people go to, to say, shop or, or, or, we're not going to see us in strip malls.
Um, if you take a look online or, or our Instagram and, and, and, and, and look at,
who we are and what we do, we, we, we, we really ingrain ourselves in the community.
And Brookline seems to have a bit of a community identity.
Um, we, we love spaces.
I'm sorry, I think I lost sound. I, I see people talking.
Oh, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Oh, okay.
We're just selfish, but we aren't.
Okay, sorry, sorry. Um, yeah, I, I can talk about this for a very long time, but, um,
Brook, Brookline is, is, uh, I'll just summarize.
It's, it's where we want to be.
Um, we, we see a transition happening.
Uh, we do love Vermont.
It's a beautiful place.
If you could see what I'm seeing right now.
Uh, you can see that.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So you, you chose the right way to say.
Okay.
Yeah.
We kind of hate you right now.
Yeah.
Uh, but that said, there's a,
So it's a very difficult place to operate the business and it's a, it's a very old state.
And there is rapidly increasing labor problem here.
Institutional restaurants have been closing up here.
And we see the transition to moving toward out of state as both natural and necessary.
And,
the Brookline-Hollis area being a place that we are very familiar with, that we have a lot of
family, a lot of friends, and a place that we genuinely want to find ourselves in and raise our
kids.
I have a four-year-old and a nine-year-old behind me with a soccer ball.
And boy, we would love to have them in that school system because it's great.
Any other? Okay. Thank you.
Oh, sorry. So I guess I have one, um, looking at the downtown district rules, um, under 610.06
performance standards. Um, now A is no commercial uses. She'll produce anything, including
without limitation emissions of smoke, dust, gas, noise, odor, or fumes, which could
adversely affect. And if you're talking about a wood, wood fired, um, could you talk about
how are you going to be eating the pizzas and whether that produces wood smoke, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah, I'd love to.
We plan to, we have a couple different models of ovens that we use.
The oven brand that we are planning to use at the Brookline location is a Marsall.
It's a, if you're familiar with the brand, it's a pretty standard oven, but with a high capacity.
It's a propane.
Or, well, it would be propane there or natural gas.
It is not wood fired.
We find that wood fired has specific limitations and taste profiles that we don't necessarily like.
Our usage of this oven allows us, so, for example, in our Richmond location, we at volume, produce a pizza every 30 seconds.
With wood fire, that becomes a very scary endeavor.
hard to regulate, require more labor, requires more wood, requires more storage.
So we've found a way to kind of maximize our efficiency with this style of oven.
I've used this style for many, many years, and it's my preferred cooking equipment.
And even as far as, you know, fire goes, there, it bears
almost no fumes. And there is no smoke, you know, with the exception of the random
pepperoni that falls on the stone. And even though, too, we are not required to have fire suppression.
We are technically zoned and insured as a deli up here because we don't use friars. We don't, we're of a lower
risk profile as insurance goes, than a typical pizzeria that has those offerings.
Great. Thank you for answering that. I just want to make sure that is one of the things in our
new project that we pick that box off.
Good follow up. Yeah. Any other questions, comments from the board? Do we get samples?
Yeah. Well, if you guys want to take a road trip.
I motion to adjourn.
Oh, wow.
On the break.
Tyler, did you have any other questions or anything for us?
I do, actually, if that's okay.
We are planning at least if we are ever able to get seats.
That would be, again, preferred.
But we would be seeking a...
We would be seeking a...
a class two liquor license for retail beverage.
We run a wine program and, you know, craft beer, that kind of thing, up here.
And if there's any input on whether that's something that the town would want versus, you know,
do people just really want a place to pick up a gallon of milk and some ice cream?
We're always kind of taking that feedback.
And anything that you can tell me about the town and what, especially what this building has been and represents would be helpful in the rehab of it and in the formulation of what we kind of lean towards or away from.
I'll start with that.
Do you don't mind?
Yeah, please.
It was historically a village store up until the 1960.
And then went through a couple of different ownerships.
In the 70s, 80s, there was a couple that really took it over and really were very successful in turning it into.
Still a convenience store, small town store, but also providing goods that you could purchase and leave.
You know, some deli thing, sandwiches.
local cookies.
They really created that atmosphere.
This is a place to go to.
And various owners, the following owners kept that up.
It was really, they had a table in there where people could get a cup of coffee and a sandwich and sit there for a while.
And then, unfortunately, that owner passed away about 10 years ago.
There was a blank, it reopened a few years later, and it tried to be a little bit too fancy.
And I think people, they didn't want the fancy food.
They wanted regular food, if that makes sense.
Can you elaborate a little bit more?
Yeah, they wanted chips and pizza and beer.
Right. Not organic smoothies.
Yeah.
Well, if you're a food, there was a niche for that.
Yes.
But it wasn't.
I don't think it was really enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think there was really enough demand in town.
Right.
Right.
The store before had a whole, like, wine section.
Right.
Like a big store of the store with a wine section.
It just didn't, I mean, we've got the state liquor store here.
There's three other convenience stores.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it was very high.
Everything in there was more expensive than you could purchase it for five miles up the road to Shaws.
So that was an issue.
And, yeah, the delis was, you know, it was all boar's head.
Yeah.
It was, you know, very expensive butcher boy's, like, style of butcher block meat.
So, yeah.
What I heard for people was, hey, they're making great sandwiches that I can't afford to spend that much for a sandwich every day.
Right.
Whereas previous.
owners had a more medium cost product providing and, you know, beer and wine sales and
cigarette sales have, you know, historically been part of the thing that drove, drives convenience stores
in New Hampshire, especially those on the border.
Yeah.
Brookline does allow consumption of alcohol.
You have to get a, go to the state, get a permit.
and the select board in Brookline would have to approve that.
Mm-hmm.
I want to call on, when you mentioned, like, the bottle of wine, like, were you talking about to serve or more to sell, like, for a takeaway?
Sell as retail, second class would be kind of that convenience store style of sale.
Yeah, okay.
Right.
So you come in to pick up your pizza and it's like, ah, I need beer to go with it.
Right.
So that kind of thing.
Yep.
Yeah, I would agree.
I mean, I think that type of model, you know, having that would work.
I mean, sure, there's other places in town where you can do that same thing, but if they're already
coming in for pizza, like, I don't think people are, they need beer and need wine, they're not
going to drive down to another convenience store just to get that when they're already there.
So I think there could be some value in that.
It's a natural use of the space and the assets that are there.
Again, my priority, what I would love to see there is.
you know, a proper seated service, beer, wine.
We do, we do have a bar in Waterbury, Vermont, a third class liquor.
We do amazing cocktails, but, you know, that's not in the questions so far.
We would still need expanded wastewater usage in order to make that happen.
What other questions do you have for us?
I don't know.
That's about it.
I mean, as far as things go, it's pretty, I don't want to say straight forward.
I'll say that Brookline, as opposed to say the rural towns of Vermont, have done better in defining
their rules and ordinances, and, you know, businesses really flounder in the gray when it becomes
someone's opinion about something rather than something that is defined.
And so this, from my perspective, is far more straightforward than I've experienced before.
Excellent.
Good to know.
See what again.
It's working.
All right.
Excellent.
I think we're good here, unless you have anything else.
I would say, when you get back from vacation, come talk to me, and we will get a site plan application
together based on what?
has been done in the past, and then you can add your pieces and parts, and I think everybody
will look forward to hearing more from you.
Yes.
I'll be looking forward to seeing you all again in about a month.
All right.
Sounds good.
Thanks, Tyler.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
Bye.
Bye.
All right.
Up next, we have another conceptual discussion, getting deja vu.
I feel like we've done this recently.
You just want to come hang out with that.
Yeah.
You go ahead.
You guys don't let me on because I'm not a resident.
You know, it's free to come by if you don't submit an application every time.
Just come sit there.
All right.
So we have a, I think this was a, what do we call?
Change of Use.
Change of Use determination.
So right now, like we were talking.
talking about in our last meeting, the RSVP co-working area, which was unit E, right?
Okay, there we go.
I'm working hard to remember which unit is which, because I want to put them all in D.
Yes.
But E was the RSVP co-working, where I had, and then she'd also, so that's where she wants to put the
infants.
and then E would be turned into her office.
Now, E was the unit that was most recently occupied by three little trees.
I have the previous information that we had for the other two determinations of whether it was a change of use.
So you can kind of see a little bit about what they were talking about.
This isn't going to change the number of kids.
This is just distributing them in a large.
it's going to be a lower density of kids over a grade because it's the same number over a greater state.
And being able to use the three little trees unit will also kind of make it easier for Autumn to do what she needs to do.
A little bit of way because three little tree sheet was doing manufacturing in fact and had like a hundred square feet.
Oh, it was like the candles and soy stuff?
They were like soy.
It smells delicious.
Oh, I remember now.
I do.
Sorry.
Okay.
So I guess the initial thing here is determining whether or not this is a change in use that would
pump the retirement of site plan, right?
Correct.
All right.
Elaborate.
Sure.
So I have my two standing tenants.
I'm autumn queue, owner of the building.
That's all I want.
It seems like over the years that I've owned it, they come, they go.
They come, they go, which is fine, but it's an opportunity for me to grow.
And what I mean grow is offer more space.
And space is good.
When you are searching for a child care center and you got everybody crammed into a small little space like this, if they have room to grow, like room to move, it does make a huge impact on a child's development.
So unit, you're going to mess me up.
I'm sorry.
unit E where that abuts, the new unit that I just put in, which is beautiful.
Nothing, there nothing's going to change in there.
A wall has to come down so it could be an open setting because it's like a nook in the back.
And some cosmetics, maybe some plumbing will have to be done, which I'll pull permits for.
But I have been a huge space upstairs, the skylight room, if you remember.
which has the infants in it.
At any given time, there's only eight infants.
I won't go more than eight.
And it's a massive room.
So downstairs with the square footage I put in there, that makes more sense.
Now, the parents coming in, they now have to walk through another classroom to get to that classroom.
And they come in with tow.
Kid in the car seat, sometimes two.
They got everything they need to.
And they've got to walk through.
So this is just easier and convenient for them.
We can now take the strollers out, walk them around instead of down the hill and try to push
a six-person stroller up that hill.
Holy moly, holy moly.
Yeah.
So it's convenience.
It's a convenience for everybody around the board.
So eight infants only time, doesn't change parking.
Upstairs face.
Not sure.
I'm on the fence.
And it's not like I said, not going to change my number.
I'm on the fence, whether to use that, go back.
Back to my gross motor room, which means foul weather days, we can't go outside.
Now the kids have a place to go play in a different area.
Gives them out that big body movement.
So not a dedicated class, no rule.
Well, that's one choice.
Another choice is to when, because right now, when they turn 13 months, they go to the one-year-old room.
Now my one-year-old room is being at its max capacity.
And I'm about quality, not quantity.
So I might use that room or a transition room.
So, like, young toddlers before they go to that, which still don't change my numbers.
It just moves them, moves the bodies.
I am currently licensed for 95.
I don't want my number to go off.
I'm also on a well.
And this is partly the reason why I'm trending towards the youngers because they're not toileting as much as the
holders. You know what I mean? So it does, you know, I'm keeping my well in mind and my water
usage, which I have to. So, and now going over to the unit D, where three little trees is,
I was planning to put my office there and using the backspace for the storage. I do have a storage
unit with tables and bins. I don't want that anymore. I want to move it there. In the event
that should change, I will be back.
if I'm going to use it for anything else.
But it's kind of like a breakup.
If I move my desk downstairs, it would be really weird
and getting used to.
But that's the plan.
So it might be better.
I have a new director who's taking over a lot of
responsibilities, so I will have a little bit of freedom
to take on new projects.
So, and so I wasn't sure if I had to go
through the whole process again like I did before.
And honestly,
that expansion I did a few months ago
didn't add my numbers. So the
state just needed pictures of it
because I didn't want to change my numbers, but
the capacity that I could have in the
room changed. And I think
that's why I went through everything.
But no numbers are changing
here. All right. So
when we're trying to determine
change a board expansion of news
has to do with, and I'm just going to read this.
here.
Creation, alteration, modification, or
enlargement of a non-residential use, which
increases, intensifies, or otherwise negatively impacts
any of the following.
Site lighting, sewage, water, drainage,
pedestrian, or particular traffic, parking or
loading, sign usage,
landscaping, or buffer zone, site access,
noise, or other public health, safety, or welfare
consideration. So
I know we talk about change
of use, but it's not really just change of use. It's got to be change
of use and then some sort of in that.
Right. Right? So, I mean,
I don't know. My opinion, I don't know, there's any question that going from, you know, like manufacturing, I don't know, whatever we're called,
candles or our co-working space to daycare is a change of use, but is it a substantive enough change of use.
But the change of using was an office.
The, for the infants is the office. The candle use will be an office and storage.
Right. And they use half of that as storage.
But that's the key for me is that they're both uses.
are decreasing little traffic to those units.
That's my thought.
Especially off, you know, it's, yeah.
The big thing we look for at this site is
the parking because there are so many different units
that might have different needs. And in this case,
it's not a concern for me because you're saying there's,
you're going to need same parking space you need today.
Actually, I'll free one off if I park downstairs.
Yes, because the units aren't used. But the infant room
has specific hours that are different than the rest of the classrooms.
They open.
an hour later and close an hour earlier.
And even using these new units won't even be a change to that, the trap.
It doesn't just asking permission to use the building.
Yeah.
Drive up here instead of up there.
Yeah.
All right.
Any other comments on potential change of use?
I just need to know what I need to do next.
Do I have to do the letters to the abutters?
Do I have to put an application?
Like, this is why I didn't know where to begin because it wasn't
big change. So we're going to, we're going to figure that out for you.
Okay. Good. So, I mean, going from co-working space to, you know,
um, instant space, it's basically the same thing.
Six or one.
That's not, that's not a lot of traffic.
Just what they're working on instead. Exactly.
So I'm going to take over the world versus, I'm going to destroy the economy.
And in the event that...
They need to go the other way, then a tenant will be down doing their thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, sorry.
So, yeah, so for that unit, I mean, that's pretty straightforward.
You know, like you said, less traffic and all that.
Going from the manufacturing space to office space,
I mean, you know, once again, externally, externally.
it'll be less traffic.
You know, there wasn't any, you know, I don't think there was any real apparent external appearance of what was going on in that space anyways.
Well, they did have a 100 square feet of retail space.
Aside.
Yeah, where his desk was, but there was, nobody ever came.
Right. Aside from the retail traffic, you know, nobody knew that they were, like, you know, manufacturing candles in the back, all that stuff.
Yep.
Once again, it's going to be less traffic, less problem in that particular unit.
So I don't think that this would require, you know, a new site plan or anything.
I think just a letter for the file stating, you know, it's like this unit was doing this.
It's not doing that.
I will like to add that.
I have talked to the state.
of early childhood.
And she did say for this infants that I, she has to come out and see it before I'm allowed to use it.
So. So prove the space just to make her that.
Where the other space, because it was just an addition, it was a, it was just an addition, she didn't need to.
And I just had to send her pictures and it was okay.
But this where they're switching a whole classroom, I do, because the state has all their rules that I need to follow.
And I don't even know when I'm going to get on that because we're back to school or hiring, like, just.
So it might happen at any time, but I wanted to be okay when the time comes.
Any other comments in the board regarding change of use?
Sounds like what I'm hearing so far is that this is not, would not be considered a change or expansion of use that would, you know, negative impact anything on the prior to segment.
I would agree with that.
I think the one thing we want to capture is that this is what is happening, so that 20 years from
right, when it's a whole new planning board, it's a new owner, and somebody says, oh, I want to put something
else in Unity, we're like, what was, yeah, we've tracked our thing and said, yeah, this is a difference
than, yes, an inference on the former future selves.
Right. So I think a finding that includes that detail would be well-bidden.
Oh, I can't do it myself.
Someone else has to step in.
I plan on being in 20 years.
I mean, Scott is.
I move that the proposed changes to 1-181, Route 101.
What a name.
I'm going to name of that.
That the proposed new uses do not constitute a change of the use that would require a new cyclone.
Second.
Move and seconded. All in favor.
All in favor. All right. All right.
What happens next?
I'll get you a letter. I'll get you a letter.
All in favor.
I'll get the letter to you so you can have it for your files, but nothing.
Other than just permits.
You have to still talk to the building official, and you'll probably have to have a fire inspection.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's, I have to have that for my paperwork for the state anyways.
No, no, no, no butter. No butter.
Oh, you're done with us.
Until the next time you take that.
At least you just want to come.
I mean, good one.
So you're welcome to come back.
I can.
Just come and hang on the board.
I've got to buy people from the parties.
Thank you.
Michelle, you've been wonderful.
Thank you, everybody.
Have good night.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Reviewed bylaws.
Oh, sorry.
Very quickly, before we do that.
We were Jerry McIconvart and still being here in 20 years.
When I first started at the college, I was working on a project with software,
and we had to put a date in.
And we said, oh, yeah, we'll put that 15 years out.
Somebody else.
Somebody have not brought up.
Validator.
Right here.
So how come we can't put something, a reservation past this date?
Sorry, no, the fact of the support.
The support said, oh, yeah, if you go into this field, you have to change that date.
And we don't do that any which, leave it flat, you know.
And I remember the conversation at the room at mine saying, oh, yeah, let's put in 2013,
because we'll all be gone.
And I was like, yeah, I am the only survivor of that.
I've done that.
I want to tell you, let's just say, well, 1-1-2039 is, you know, I'm not looking forward to.
There you go.
So I'm going to say.
I don't have confidence in the bylaws.
Okay, skip.
All right.
So that'll be a work session.
Okay.
That seems appropriate.
It does.
You didn't have a lot of changes.
Darn.
I know.
They're a fit in charity.
There's going to be roads raging out there when I'm trying to get some of my call.
So new business, all business.
You have a recommendation.
I do.
And this is how it is provided to me.
All rolled up?
Yes.
Yes.
Originally, so this is, sorry,
this would be Vano White with me.
That would be great.
This is the lot that has the excavation.
It's the jockey property.
And they have a, over here they have
some greenhouses and a little
farm stand, but in the back here they have, you can't really see this because it's in yellow,
but I'm going to run my finger around it.
This is the approximate area where they had excavated.
They stockpiled their loan over here.
There's another smaller stockpile over here, and they're planning on covering the area to be
graded and seated with blue seal conservation mix.
All right.
Is that in our needs?
Yeah, what does that mean to so?
What does that mean to me?
What we had is last year?
Does this think the state happy, I guess is really the question?
The state will be happy with whatever we choose to accept for a reclamation plan.
Now, my understanding is they're not taking any more material out this year.
They have not filed for an additional intense excavate, but they're still working on this site.
So this is an exclamation plan.
Or a reclamation plan.
They haven't done this work yet.
Because when you drive by, you can still see machinery back there, and the machinery is not spreading seeds.
It's moving dirt.
Is there an excavation permit?
No, there is not.
Is one required?
That's not up to me to say.
That's it to you guys.
There's like people that do that.
Oh, that's no.
Okay.
That's right.
You're the people.
I knew there was something.
Okay.
This has been open for a while.
There are planning now to stop doing this.
Okay.
Well, you just mentioned, but didn't you just mention,
that they've stopped for this year, but then...
Well, they stopped taking material out.
Right.
The material that they've got in there, all I can tell you is they've still got some of the
machinery in there.
I don't know if they're just sorting it to make it, to...
sorting it by size, you know, sifting it to make it so that it'll blow better into this
and pulling out the big rocks and putting those in a separate pipe.
I don't know what they're there.
Do we know if the amount they've pulled out the date, based on their filings?
I don't know that.
We'd find that out.
Okay.
Because, I'm sorry, I'm not sorry.
Before you said they stopped for this year, I just assumed that they would be doing, but my guess is that my guess is it's been doing.
This is that they are not extracting any, they don't need an intent to excavate because they have stopped taking material out.
I am telling you from my own eyeballs, I can see that they still have machinery in the space.
I don't know what that machine is doing.
And when you say there's material stock fired, so they've, they've pulled the material,
out, but it's still sitting on site, and they're still going to need trucks to move that offset.
Well, not exactly. You have to, when you do an excavation, you have to scrape off the top soil,
and it has to stay on site. Right. So that's just those stockpiles. Right here's one loan stockpile.
Here's another one right here. Okay. And then when they reclaim it, they should put that loan back,
and then they should see it. So they said that they're going to use the Lucille Conservation Mix,
which is a great choice given the location, because if you see this,
We have the Nisitansit River back here, so that's a good choice.
This is sort of bowl shapes, like they dug a hole, which kind of makes.
What it is now.
But it's not like they dug it right here up against the river so that any material would go into the river.
It won't, it would, it would, it would, it's a bowl.
So if the last thing I want to clarify is when you mentioned stop,
year. Was that in their words that this year part? Yeah. Because they said they did
not pull another intent to excavate. So they did not pull another intent to
excavate. So that means if they are removing material, it would be less than a
thousand cubic yards. Because that's the threshold for what you need up. Sorry.
Is that an annual threshold? Yes. It is. Okay. For the intent to excavate, but our
permit doesn't have annual numbers, right? Yeah. The requirement for a permit is a thousand
cubic yards or whatever you guys, like, you guys are the ones who decide whether somebody needs a permit.
And sometimes when people are taking out a thousand cubic yards, they're doing it in service of something else.
But incidental.
And so that could be incidental if you determine that.
We can't determine anything. We had no information.
That is perhaps. Because they were never asked to do, get any information to us.
to us.
So if someone comes to you and asks, what's the reclamation point for the site?
This is what I would show them?
You have to pull that thing out and show it to it.
Correct. And the state can and has been known to, my experience, in land use, done such a thing.
And that's our response to the councilman to show that this plan is followed.
Correct.
We're the ones who get into.
trouble if we aren't following our own roles, it can trickle down to the excavator as well,
but usually they get in trouble for other things, like taking more material than they say,
making their truck appear than they say. Those are things, you know, not providing the right
tax money to the department. Right. I know that's the bigger. But I'm, so where I'm going with
this is you could also get in trouble. I mean, an excavation permit has a lot of
standards. It does. That are required and followed and monitored.
Presumably, this is at this estimation throughout as long as it's been going on.
Has not had any standards applied to it. We don't know what the slopes are. We don't know
what the final resting slopes are. We don't know anything. We don't know what the one thing that
is always important to me, as you guys know, really store water is really important.
I don't know what the final slopes.
are, so we don't know if there's going to be any impact on storm water.
Would that typically be part of a reclamation plan? It would. Is it included there?
No, but I will tell you, it is not. When we looked at like Burbys, he did tell us that he had a slope
and he took it down to nothing. So there was no slope remaining at the end. So no impact to any sort of
sediment or the oceans. What that was, what that was documented. But that was documented. That was document.
And this doesn't really say what he was, what the final slopes are. Because you can see, like, I don't have to go on their
properties to see this. You can see it from the sidewalk. That there's still some slopes there. But I don't, I don't know what they are.
Some people have the skill where they can look at it and go, oh, that's people with love. I don't have that skill. I have to have somebody look at it and measure it.
I think it's appropriate for us to ask them.
provide that it until it was. Like what their final slip?
Hermanyiative then they're actually going to move all of the machines. Yeah. Right.
We, yeah. We appreciate that they provided this. Yeah. However, we need this other information which the town
requires. Would normally require. Yeah. Well, we do. We do. We do. We would normally require we require.
And so, and it would also be nice to have it in a format and where you don't have to. And we don't have to.
And we bought a picture. I did say we need a picture and we need words. So they interpreted that as
the words on the picture. They gave me the picture. A month later, they gave me the words. And I'm like, I need both of them together. And I apologize. This is what they interpreted that. It is true. Okay. I was thinking. You just need two pieces.
Right. Okay. But they gave me that. Give me that picture for a mom. We'll give her work back to.
Yes. I had to give this back. Oh, I was just kidding. Okay.
And you said the plan was to use the blue seal conservation mix.
Yes.
Is there some kind of description as to what's in there?
Yes. Yes. It's a pretty standard mix. But we don't have that information here.
So it would be nice for someone in 20 years who may go back and look to see,
I wonder what the reclamation plan for this property was. It's like, oh, they use
Blue Seal Conservation Mix. Well, they don't make that anymore. What was in it? So with asbestos to
help them. To help keep the seeds warm in the winter.
Does the reclamation plans, so going back to what you said, the other one, like it talks about
what the slopes were going to be at the end. Does this one spell that out or is the indication
that's going to stay as a...
Nothing.
It doesn't say anything.
So that sounds like it's missing.
Because what the final slips are, it's not provided.
But reclamation is, you know, how are we getting it back to what it was?
Right, which is why you keep the original slum on site.
It also will have some native seeds in it.
So although they're going to put a conservation mix on there, and Nick Burby was talking about he didn't actually put any seed mix in there.
So that that loan does have its own seat.
But it takes a lot longer.
So that's why you usually put some kind of seed on there.
Actually, he just...
Well, because it was flat, there wasn't the concern about a road from there.
Right. Right. Right. Right. I guess I'm just, I'm a little more hung up on the fact that this is an unknown operation.
And it's operating without an excavation permit. And I think of it's not come before the board at all.
Not that I know of. I had no.
record of this. So I look at this is...
So the initial the DRA guy came to...
What? Looking for the reclamation plan. But the interesting, he was only looking for the
reclamation plan, not the actual, like, exclamation permit?
Yes. Because he looked at what was
being excavated. He knew that
there was excavation going on because he looked at the
Board of Assessors. They had to do
and
they are the ones who get
the intent to
excvate. They also get intent to cut, but
the intent to excrete is what he was
looking for in this case. And he's like, he knew
I had one of the
reclamation plans, because he had three.
And one of them was,
I'm waving my hand over here for no really
good...
I can see them.
For the housing for older
person's plan. He's like,
he knew I had one. So he's like,
I don't have to ask with that. But you have a
reclamation plan, other two. And that's the
one we did not issue, we didn't require a
permit for, but we put in all the standards
and requirements, and then some that we would
have lived through a requirement. And most
importantly, noted that the
final development was the
recommendation plan. Right.
So that
that's a true of us incidental or something else.
Right. Right. And if they had gone
through and decided, you know, oh, I'm not
going to finish this, I'm just going to take the dirt out
and not leave it, and it is unreclaimed.
So
the final step is that we
said this is specifically
the house is the reclamation.
I guess what I'm concerned about
maybe it's just made, but it sounds like there have been
several intents to excavate.
There were.
They've been in excess of a thousand
public. Some things.
Yards. Yards. Some of.
Excavation permit's required.
Or at minimum
a discussion with the board to explain
why they don't want it's not.
Right?
Yeah. But I don't know
that people necessarily know
that. Like if you pull in
sense to excavate, you don't necessarily know
that... So that's what I'm getting at, though, is like, shouldn't there
be some sort of production there? Like, if an intent
to excavate, that comes to the town, right?
It comes to the Board of Assessors.
In other towns, the
select board get it, but that's because they're
functioning as the Board of Assessors
in that place. But here
we have our own separate Board of Assessors.
Couldn't we request that the Board of Assessors
CCS when I get...
That would be a great idea.
Yeah, I'd look to make that suggestion.
And I'm on...
What's that idea? I'm right
that down.
Yeah, I guess I'm just like with this one,
like the reclamation plan is
in existence
in some form, but not
at standard. I think there
could be more information that would be really helpful
to our future stuff. I guess I'm just a little...
I think we need an answer to the question.
Like, will there be continued operations?
When is this reclamation
plan started? Like, I...
If they've given this reclamation plan and saying,
we're done with this for now, the nation
that's what I guess we need to know. Is it for now
or is it done or is it done?
Well, get the reclamation plan when they're done.
We're supposed to get it when they start.
No, what I mean is like, are they done with their excavation
to the point that you should start seeing the action
on the excavation plan?
Or are they just moving dirt around on their
a lot? What they should do? Right. Which is, yeah.
If they're going to do additional excavation, I guess
in access with another thousand yards, they would have
to do another intent to execute it.
Yes, that's my understanding.
And if we are getting caught
on the one board, we don't know about
that. All right. I'm assuming we can't, I don't
know all that process. Intend that's to excavate
that's for revenue purposes, right?
There's no way
I'm assuming to, it's just
an intent. They're declaring something.
They're saying, I'm expecting...
I'm doing this and I'm going to owe you money.
Right. Basically. I'm putting it on the record.
And then they measure over the course of the year.
And if it does turn out
that it's, you know, 1,000, they
pay for that amount, but if
it's, you know, 900, they still
pay for 900.
Okay. They just don't have to tell you
that. So they're not going to stop. It's not going to want a thousand.
Yeah, I just feel like they've already done over
1,000. They have. You can verify that.
If they're doing any future excavation until how much it is
to take the
to come to the phone would. Because the
entire operations already exceeded
1,000. That's my thought
is, look, you've gotten
away with it for this long. If you do
another cubic yard,
you already know you're over 1,000.
So whether your final intent
to estimate or not,
we expect it to come up a board
with consideration. That's just me,
that's me. That's me. I agree
with you what you're saying, and I also think
if the answer comes back of, well, yeah,
we're just planning to
cover it over now.
The reclamation
plan needs to say, starting in
September of 2026,
we are going to be, and we anticipate
being done on December 15th,
2026.
And,
this is what it's going to look like as far as
closer concern, this is
what's, you know, what's going to
fill in things. Yep, yeah, like you said.
So, yeah, you know, I think this is
blushing out some of the details.
Right. I do think this is one of those
probable bits where
JoJo, his father,
started it back in 50-60s
before, you know, and it's just
kind of evolved. It wasn't
really a
beginning with, under the rules that
we had.
Right.
Okay.
That's fair.
And then there are rules about whether
if an excavation is started before a magic date and
I apologize, I don't remember what that magic date is, but I want to say
it's the early in these, then it isn't subject to certain
things, but there's no information
about this.
I have no information about that and it still has to be
documented.
our town is required
to document this
excavation started
this time and this is the
owner and it's not subject to.
That has to be documented.
Like, we're required
to keep that list.
If it does start, then there was
a two-year window, and if we have an excavation
that started in that two-year window
after that magic date plus two years,
then they're subject to some
requirements, but not all the requirements.
And we have to keep that as a separate.
list. Nobody wanted to have anybody
started in that sense.
Then after that date, then you have to
keep a list of who
to provide to the DRA at any
point
information about who
the owner is and how much the
excavator is if it's not the same.
How much they're excavating in any given year.
You have to have a reclamation plan
on file. Like there's a whole bunch of things
that we're required to keep. When I
started here, going through all the files,
we had
nothing that was
active. And yet now I'm
finding out that that isn't the game.
We had at least two that were probably
active when I first started.
And that should have been documented.
So we can't fix
what happened, but we can go from here forward.
So this is
not the point of we're deciding, well,
we want this because
we want this
in order to protect the town.
We are required to
have it. We are required to have it.
And if we don't, the town
is, there is risk to the town.
So to that end, then, as long as
as long as it's not reclaimed,
in theory, do we
do we need this now anyway?
Even if they're not, what are the both
actively exceiving?
Yes, we do you need reclamation plan.
No, not the reclamation plan. To your point,
you know, record of the fact that this operation
exists. I guess I'm wondering if they're not
actively excavating, but they haven't reclaimed,
is it still technically an
ongoing excavation.
Yes, until it's reclaimed.
So now I'm wondering.
Even if they're not doing it.
Think about every drop of rain.
It is now on open ground.
So my point there is maybe
I was too last before and saying, well,
next time you start to excavate, maybe it's right now
we need them to come in and when you get the details
and figure out what needs to apply
to this so that the town, to your point,
does not have this exposure
that it turns out we might have.
155E is not
long.
as RSAs go.
And it is pretty, I mean, it does have some
weirdness with this two-year window
and how you keep records and things like that,
but we're required to keep records of vaccination
in part because, yes,
the state wants their
dollars for
the taxes, but
it's also to protect the town
from washing
away, from losing our
ground to
sediment and erosion control problems.
to having all of this open space without knowing how big this open space is.
Like, there are limits at the state for how many acres you can have.
Oops, and I think we are on the verge of being needing an alteration of terrain for a minute.
Oh, wow.
Because this is that or very close to an acre, open ground.
Okay.
So next steps, we talk about the recognition plan.
What's near there?
do we need to go
to the applicant in addition to that and ask them for additional
details whether or operation
so the town determines whether or not it's, I mean,
do we need them in front of us to do this, I guess, in my question
or do? Yeah. Yes, I think we do.
All right, here we go.
Jerry sounds very... You seem very confident in that.
I'm not arguing with Jerry. That's what it was
legit to me. So, okay.
So why don't we issue an invitation
if please come join us? Yeah, and, you know, whatever
invitation, you know. However that looks.
You have to send somebody, like whatever.
No, absolutely.
Well, no, I just.
Like, we've sent invitations before, and there have been
responses in the regrets. Yeah, it's a mandatory.
Want to make sure it's not like, you know, it's, hey, come by,
and then what's the state? It's a polite requirement.
Yep. A polite requirement, I like it.
Not that. You are politely required to come.
You're cordially required.
To attend the plurable meeting.
I feel like they could be on the record.
What's that? And if there... I feel like they could be on the record.
And if this truly is been going on since
time in Memorial in Brooklyn, then it should have been
caught. And
I don't mean
caught, like in a bad way, but it should have been
noticed, should have been reserved, should have been documented.
Yeah. And I
didn't. That big hole.
Is it?
Yeah.
Anything else on this one?
No.
We feel like we have a way we go forward.
Before we have those on it. Yes, sir.
Yeah, we kind of
earlier agreed that the Board of Assessives
should be informing us.
I think we should formally
send it. This board should
formally send a
letter to them
and requesting an answer.
which is hopefully, yeah,
that's a great idea we're going to do this.
Rather than having become
the fall into a whole of, yeah, we don't know.
Oops, we must do that.
So is your thought
process, too,
we would like something in writing by
this date
and
we would like you in front of the planning board.
But this meeting, I understand.
I was actually
talking about something else, but I agree
with that in terms of the gravel.
Oh, okay.
Yes. What, Mike, I think
we need a formal thing to the Board of Accesses.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I know, that's not a question that really
request. You know,
it's a question that they notify us
any time they receive an intent to extramate
and then ask them to
please respond. Please update your
process to.
notify us. And
confirm and acknowledge.
that you have
that you will do so
or
that you will do so
or
et cetera, et cetera.
And I think that's all
we're just
just to get a copy
of any intent to
activate.
Yeah.
That could work too.
Please and thank you.
Yeah.
There we go.
Love.
E.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Are we able to
look up
intent
to extivates
like
is a state website?
Yeah.
Not in the state
website that I
know on,
but it is a
public document.
So we could file
the right to know request.
Oh, my God.
In theory.
I'll look at it up.
I think it's website that tell me how to do it.
They're going to do it.
Oh, it feels like that.
You'd be part of our
recommendation.
Look at you.
We need a little less still now.
A little less?
That's twice.
You get two for free.
And maybe it's
on it.
All right.
Can we do that
like formation?
Yeah.
You know,
back when I was growing up
in town in the
60s, all these
little gravel pits.
Yeah.
Always had the gravel pits.
And as a kid,
you know,
they'd do these
slopes.
No.
All the
awesome,
like winter.
Oh, yeah.
And you want to do that.
The parents are like,
no, you stay away
from that gravel tip.
Which makes me want to do
even more.
Especially because people
would use those with
target shooting
because it would.
Yeah.
That's good back.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's like,
hey, there's all this
broken glass.
I'm like, hey,
we can get around that.
I'm a compass on.
Again.
Rub some dirt on it.
Fine.
All right.
Housing Issues Advisory Committee,
third time to turn.
I'm feeling really good about this one.
Yep.
I will have a,
you guys are fine with it.
If you guys like this version,
I will bring a version
for signatures
to the next meeting,
but I'm like.
For the small,
I saw it from.
You did.
It should.
It was like.
put it somewhere.
I don't have it out of the new ones.
It's okay.
There's electronic
for it probably, right?
You sent out of
the military as well.
I think it was a good.
So, thank you.
Sure.
I have a little
that
maybe, there we go.
So I'm trying to remember
what some of the
changes we made for.
So when last we met,
you asked me to
move some information about
I had written
organization twice.
So the first one is membership.
The first organization was changed to membership.
So it'll have five members from the community appointed by the planning board.
Appointments will be for a year.
That was one of the things you guys were discussing.
And then it's a public body and meetings will be open to the public to attend.
The second piece that changed with under the organization part and the meeting procedures.
So you just wanted to be able to make sure that
it was clear that
at the pleasure of the advisory committee
residents and non-residents may be welcome to
participate. But you wanted to make sure
that that was clear that they were not invited to be members.
Right.
Okay.
Yep.
So that was really the biggest change.
Those were any changes you ask for.
All right. That's good.
And it will be the charter
will be reviewed annually.
You guys couldn't stop doing it any sense
when you don't feel like you want any more housing advice.
We'll do it during downtime.
Okay.
But the idea is for it to not be planning board members,
but to people in the community so that you guys can hear what's important to other people
and that you will also transmit information to them too.
Okay.
Any questions, comments on the board?
You said that just reminding you.
No, no, I think something that we have done on,
the town has done on other committees like this.
under the reporting, is put a sentence in there that says
that can, something along the lines that the committee will report to the planning board by October.
Anything that should be in the town.
Oh.
Right.
That way it gives us on the planning board time in the cycle to decide.
Yes, do we want to have a town warrant and put it in a town meeting rather than coming up to us in January.
Right. Well, in eight weeks, we have time to turn this around.
Right.
I mean, it'll be tough for this year, but it's good to have it in there for a work for years.
So, in under the membership, should we get more specific?
And it says the advisory committee will have five members from the community
appointed by the planning board.
Should it be five residents of from the?
So we talked about that.
Did we?
Well, no, I don't know if you were at that meeting.
It might have been the last meeting we had.
Okay.
But it was because it's in our bylaws, right?
That any committees created
by the planning board must be
residents. So we left it out
of the charter because we were comfortable
covered by the bylaws. I don't know if you were here
for that conversation.
So. I, whether I was there or not in or not or
about me, we're with you.
Okay.
Okay. So the committee will provide a report
by the October work session, what was the rest of the
verbiage of in case it needed to go for any,
anything which requires town meeting a rule.
Okay. I will add that in.
Can we circle back to membership?
Yeah.
So kind of Jerry's point, him to maybe make it more clear.
Should we include a reference to the planning board bylaws?
The advisory committee will have members from the community appointed by the planning board
in accordance with the planning board by the ones.
Love it. There we go. There we go. Now we're talking.
Good suggestion, Scott.
Okay. Can you keep it down?
All right. Any company can use in accordance with is a good day.
Yeah. So, well done.
Okay. All right. I will make those changes and bring them back.
This is actually the last required task for the housing opportunities for
that Cassie and Nick and I are meeting on Monday just to go over a couple of last minute
recommendations that they're going to make.
But those were things that you guys have already discussed, so they're just kind of codifying
them.
And mostly it's about the multifamily.
putting them down in words what you guys have always said about
multifamily where it goes and what it is. But they're defining
most family is two or more. And I'm like...
Cassie and Nick from...
NRCC, I'm sorry.
What I thought. Okay. So this will be the...
September is the last time we can continue working on this grant with these
funds and then October is the final request for reimbursement from the state.
So this is something we can do during our work session, right?
That's the September work session.
Absolutely. And we have about, I'm going to say $8,000 left in the grant, but about
$1,500 of that is administrative fees so that we just get those back no matter what.
Okay.
All right in your, no.
Anything else on this awesome new committee that doesn't want our membership from anyone with
planning more.
Sorry, just hope that you just throw that out.
A new favorite committee.
Looking forward to hearing the regular meeting reports from Scott.
Scott to get the meeting on our official liaison.
We've mentioned any of them. Okay. Excellent. Hey, budget review is my favorite time.
Oh, we need him. We're going to talk about the budget. We're doing good.
Um, Sharon gave me all the figures through the end of July. Yeah.
Um, so that's what's on this one right here.
The one with the big bar across the bottom?
The one that says through May.
Say through May?
Well, it does.
I just don't know if that's a typo or if it's mindset through the May.
It was printed in August, so I believe here.
I'm looking at it.
Yeah, it was printed in August.
This is the one that I just did.
Yeah.
We're fun.
This is the one.
Maybe someone just didn't change the header or something like that.
That'll happen.
Well, then we're doing a really good job.
That's why we need your account of the software.
Dutch.
reach the only fire.
Okay.
So, it was May, May, July.
And this
is just
our working budget. It's the
shows how much
we propose to spend, how much
we have spent, what's been spent
and the amount that's remaining. I don't
put the percent remaining because
you just take the percent spent
100 percent. What is that one?
I was told there we don't matter.
Oh.
I'm going to.
The outlet, the, wrong outlet.
It is in the bag next.
Isn't there an outlet that doesn't
work or something? Do we run into that once?
We have, and I think it's the one at the clock.
Yeah, I think I have a point out of the clock.
Don't worry.
Zoom meeting. We'll rescue you.
I don't know why there's
so many times.
Oh, don't know.
Everyone, shift your part of the scene.
Oh, no.
That is so typical thing.
That is the typical thing.
Nope.
You're not going to
push the owl.
Nobody pushes the owl around.
Nobody puts the owl over.
Nobody puts the owl on the corner.
The owl and the chair
closer.
They gotten pulled out.
Speaker is not right.
L's not.
L needs to come closer.
Do you want to.
Oh.
Oh.
Look.
Thanks for showing up.
I mean.
I got to look at that.
I got this.
Thank you very much.
Is it a now or?
Well, I mean,
moment.
You're depleted.
Microsoft has changed to.
Yep.
Okay.
That's good.
That's me.
That's me trying to connect the owl.
Michelle, we're trying to work here.
It's not in the owl is not in need.
Leave the owl alone.
Oh, that was exciting.
It's what you miss out by not being here in person.
Yeah.
All right.
So we were saying budget good.
Budget good.
Any comments on the board questions regarding the budget?
It's good.
Good.
I know the budget process starts in October.
Is there anything that
we need to start thinking about?
For next year's budget, but
we want to talk about that.
I
cannot tell you how much I
love Cardinal Council.
It's amazing.
Bill to, like, very tiny amounts.
Very tiny amounts or tiny intervals?
Interables.
Tiny intervals.
There is a difference.
There is a difference.
So I watch the clock full time with Dr.
I have a plan before I call her what I'm going to ask.
There's no rambling.
I never ask about her.
Um.
People are very rude.
I know.
No, hi, how are you?
Hey.
Look, that girl in shell.
My question.
Training in
education. I know we can put
$1,000 in
$19. We want to contribute to
bring a speaker or trainer
to Brookline for
901A training.
But the
Blackboard made a decision to have
staff go to a different time training.
So I don't know that we're going to
need that that budget just yet.
We're pretty smart.
I'll be even smarter
after my day of training.
I said we, man.
Very about what else I'm going to learn.
I don't think there's really
anything else in the facility.
What are we spending $29 on for office was?
Well, certainly not those
cool rabbit paper clips that I saw.
I have
really
on here.
No,
those I buy with my own money.
I bought
notebooks
because my new desk
is not big
enough
with this size
notebooks.
So that's my
smaller way.
That just
up their
broke one thing
that
awesome.
That was like
around
$10.
And I think
the rest of it
is the fact
that I
use
it says
expandable folders and we're out.
So I think that is the other 25.
So, so.
Okay.
That's one job.
Yeah.
Excellent job, Michelle.
Really.
I'm still using the box
of the 10th that I bought
two years ago because I
want 60 to be done.
Oh.
The computer network runs out of
any.
So, all right.
All right.
Cool.
Any other comments on the budget? That will budget.
Okay.
So the nice piece of paper
the same here is a little spreadsheet.
It is a little spreadsheet.
It is interactive.
I just
sending to you guys to play with
if he serves you.
Karen created this for me today.
I would like to consider
as, I would like you guys to consider
using some of the overtime money
that we have in the budget
to hire a planning department
because we can use
salary money for salary.
I can't use
that my remaining
salary, it's my remaining
office supply money for salary.
But actually, you know, the overtime budget.
And so she figured out, she set this up
so that we could change that variable
number of hours to be different things,
and it will tell us with that, that total
figure is at the bottom.
Is the thought that this would be like 10,
an hour we'd have to actually bringing
a bunch of employees?
Well, it would be bringing in an employee.
I saw the social security
and they're working, but.
And then the thought would be
this would be a person who would be in the budget
for this year.
Approximately 10 hours.
It would have to be approved.
It already was.
Oh.
The Slugford approved the staffing plan last year,
which included some consent for the funding department
for this year, but I didn't know about it,
and nothing was put in the budget.
Oh, so I'm sorry?
Secretist.
Apparently.
Okay.
I think it was just a, there was a lot going on.
Yeah.
Last fall.
I didn't even find out that they had approved the staff in place
until it was too late to the attitude budget.
That's good news.
So, I would like to be proactive this year and add in an assistant,
but I realized that I could desperately use some help now.
Would it be possible to use some of my overtime money,
which for me that maybe I wouldn't have quite for much.
I wouldn't have twice a month if I hadn't put it down.
But this would be...
That makes a lot of sense.
But in theory, you get more time by not spending it on overtime, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I would pay the laws.
Overtime is more than you would be paying for...
It's kind of like moving the infants to be used it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Or Delta, which...
Zyper?
But Sharon said you could do this.
Yeah.
Money to fear.
Over time.
It's salary money.
So I can spend my salary money on such salaries.
I can't spend...
The position would have to be put by a blackboard.
Correct.
But the position...
What has been to sound like?
I'm sorry.
I thought you said this was overtime money that you...
It was budgeted overtime money.
We'd be moving overtime to the...
To the...
To salary for a position that the select board has already approved?
Because next year, 4191.13, the town planner line list would include the both...
Or there'd be a new line together.
But either way...
No, I put it together.
Oh.
It would be salaries for the planning environment.
Okay.
All right.
So my two questions...
This would give us a little bit of time to, like, work out in details, because this would be, like, eight weeks at the end of it.
Yeah.
So, I guess...
I guess.
I guess.
So...
Yeah, no, I'm just...
I'll...
Switching hats.
But...
Perfect.
But keep going.
Sorry, I can interrupt.
All right.
So I guess my two questions are, would these select board magically take the position away since it was never filled?
And we're probably getting to the time where people are going to be looking for...
what money haven't you spent that you can give back?
I mean, I'm fully on board with staffing the position that was approved, and we have the money for it.
You know, I just want to make sure that we don't get into trouble, that our future selves don't get into trouble, like, in two months.
Yeah, and the idea of...
Like, that's what else was the point of my original question about, like, don't we have to get through, because we don't want to bring someone on for 10 hours and we spend time on training and whatnot and find out, oh, sorry, we can speak here, that's serious.
It's like, right?
Right.
Right.
Right.
This is true.
Not fair to that person.
No.
No.
Well, it's not sure anyone.
We're actually.
Say again?
No.
Yes.
There is something I would consider it.
Yes.
Pardon to the decision?
No.
That's what you asked.
Oh, no, I thought you meant.
I thought you meant...
Well, you have 10 hours of me, right?
That's what I thought you meant.
Oh.
He's a person who is taking this time training them, and then the flashboard would decide to take that money all the budget for the next and not to say.
So, no, because I'm, my, my memory is trying to work on when, when we discussed this at one of our meetings about how Michelle needed help.
and it was a while ago that we talked about it, and we all agreed that that needed to happen.
And why that it didn't happen, I guess I don't have a good explanation on why, like, a body's not here.
It sounds like it did happen, but nobody budgeted from salary.
But I'm not sure.
We're not talking about a ton of money here.
And...
But I also...
The planning board already reduced my overtime budget, this year, to give back to this last board last year after everybody's got his time.
We did.
Yes.
And that's where it came back.
So I'm trying to be really careful.
Because right now, the last time I didn't have overtime when it was on vacation was probably to you.
So I would really like not to have overtime, I would really like, not have overtime, I would like,
I think that money would be much better spent.
Having a sister and not burning out your time.
You might have mentioned this already, but the position that was approved,
was it approved for 10 hours?
I think was it a part-time?
No hours of this.
Yeah, I don't remember.
No, an hour associated was just on staffing plan for 2026,
that there would be a part-time person.
So part-time.
Yep.
Which generally for the town means what?
five third of the time.
We have our time before 30 hours.
And we're going to get clarity on this through the budget on a trip, right?
We're going to put in the south, which happens in October.
Yes.
It's the preliminary budget issues in October.
No, ideal timing.
I would probably want to start looking for people before that, but
most close, right, that we're going to find out from the select board about next year.
But it's almost before we would start someone next year.
So I guess I'm saying we'll have the clarity for next year before they start this year.
That would be ideal.
So we would know that it wasn't just compared.
Right. It seems like timing wise that's going to work out.
Okay.
Let's make sure that's the first thing that we asked, the like for you about the budget.
And this is starting somebody that
step forward, which is generally the administrative assistant position.
It's a big position, but, sorry, grade four, and step one, just at the lowest.
But that's what these figures are.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And then Sharon put in what we would normally pay for social security and then
course that we could be accurate a number of class.
My math is coming about $38,000.
For years.
At 30 hours.
On that's when that's when I was at 30 hours.
Did I do a map around?
I was saying 10.
But that's what I was asking for.
Oh, 10.
Okay.
Let's do the map again.
Talk amongst results.
This could work.
You can figure it out with
with...
It's not going to figure it out with...
Sorry.
Yeah, there he is it.
Okay.
It's not letting me click on the cell.
I don't know.
Can I see the full of the password?
I love it.
Do you remember the email.
It's that there's something here that you can do.
Yes.
You can change it.
Um.
What's up?
Yeah.
Okay.
I have to say having
having
Angela's like
see our
assistant
finding this person
has been really helpful.
Because
I think she has really changed the way
the rest that I've seen often
think about when you use the schools.
She really said as that she's on the journey
really adorable babies.
But she really said it up
where thinking about using children
have been much more damage
and not the skills.
This was one of the results
to say, oh hey,
you do that.
Here's a table to play with.
So if we change the variable hours, then everything else changes.
that we want to be.
But this is estimated for what?
10 hours a week for the last year, right?
No, 10 hours a week for 80.
Okay.
So it's going to be a 10
that way.
Okay.
Because I don't want to use up all of our overtime budget on this.
Because I don't want to use up all of our overtime budget on this.
Because that's using approximately
half of what we do.
had at the end of July. And like I said, I used
over time every people.
Right.
The theory is if we get someone in,
even working a little bit more
or earlier.
We don't have to be.
Right.
And it's not come off longer than me
all the time and a half, right?
It is.
So we get more hours by paying someone
under 14 years.
Great time.
Yeah.
Then you to work,
the extra hours and you don't want to work every week anyway.
So that's what you're calling
with math following.
following.
Any decision for us to make on this at this time?
Or I think since the board is out,
we want to see what happens in the funding hearings, right?
Yeah.
And make sure they can spend off the ice again and then
hopefully have enough of time for somewhere for December.
And you had asked about what would happen is the
flood board trips away?
Is that possibly, is that likely?
I would not be for that.
I know you need to help.
need to help. We've known that for a while. So I would not support taking this way.
I think he's done.
I'm just asking this question on anything, right? So, like, is there a policy?
I guess what would be the process to even do that? Because it's a staffing policy, right?
So I'd imagine there's some process if you want to reduce the staffing policy anyway.
It's probably easier when there's not a person in a position.
Right.
That's bad.
But I'm just thinking that generally is probably not just be easy.
Like, oh, yeah, we're going to make that decision.
Well, you know, which is why.
Which is why I asked the question, because, you know, we're coming up on the time when we're going to be talking about budgets.
And it's like, oh, well, you haven't had this person the whole time anyways.
So, we don't really know.
Yeah, yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Whatever the select board wants to do with fund transfers is how that would work.
And the select board vote to move money around in the budget because they have a bottom line budget.
So that would be, but if they're not supporting it, then they would do that.
I would need to speak with everyone, but you would have my support on this.
So we need out there.
So I'm just thinking, though, in preparation, like you mentioned, preparation, but you know,
brought people about it, right?
So I think it's probably on us to add that dollar amount into that line so it doesn't get missed again.
Right.
Right.
So I think you mentioned we didn't know about it at a time, right?
So that's not.
thing we'll be doing is adding, you know, adding that amount in there.
And then obviously it would be hard to be flat or whatever elsewhere.
That's, you know, one expense of the department.
But we could be, you know, we already know some areas within the training.
And we've already had equipment for them.
Because we already have the laptop as well as a desktop.
So we're learning really good.
Anything else in the budget?
I don't have anything.
So there's a very good job.
Yes, I agree.
Make sure you get better.
Okay.
Which remind, I was just going to get us.
Yeah.
Then you see a little model.
Very, where's your paper?
Yeah.
Like,
like,
like the media up here, like the
maybe up here, and then she's in the
level going down.
They're nervous.
Somebody like,
yeah.
I have.
I don't have, I don't have these colorful ones, but I have an entire coffee mug and paperclays.
Oh, so do I.
Oh, maybe I should have supposed to keep my colorful ones for those plainlets.
Well, no.
What I'm saying is that I've accumulated them over the years.
When I was treasurer, no, I would get, like, you know,
all the warrants and everything and be favorite things.
I just put them in the log.
And I want me, I'm like, you know.
Of course, you know, if we had the rabbit paper clips,
They would multiply on their own, and we'd be fine.
I think that's a copy for non-public tension.
Speaking of which, do we have anything else in the other new business that we must discuss?
Must be, he works.
So we're moving on to next time on our agenda. So I'm going to give them a little speech.
So I'm going to give a little speech.
The last item on our agenda is enter a non-public session.
Once we come at a non-public session, the only remaining item is a motion for adjournment.
So we will end the Zoom meeting when we enter non-public session after that motion.
It will not be resuming this evening.
You will not be missing anything.
Not be resuming.
Resuming.
Okay. Wow.
Didn't even have been that.
Just disclosed.
So, we'll not be resuming.
With that of mine, I'll entertain a motion regarding an alphabet of session.
Make the motion that we enter non-public session for RSA-91A-91-3 Roman numeral 2 for C, reputation,
e-fending litigation, L, consideration of legal advice, and M consideration of minutes.
Other is if needed.
Second.
All right, move in second, and this is a roll-call vote.
I'm going to go back to what's going to be popular by first name alphabetically.
Alan votes yes.
Yes.
Brendan, but, yeah.
Eric votes yet.
All right.
All right.
Thanks, everybody.
Eric, do you want us to call you?
Eric Tower.
Eric Tower.
You always meeting.
Yes, please call me.
Okay.
I am good night, Brookline.
Thank you all.
Crown Administrator, Barbershop Fortette.
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