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landscape plan associated with that. They did not see that because that was the
project that had to have an approval in one night. So the plan board said we're
going to get the conservation, they put it off and said the
conservation commission will get it the next time. Oh, did Doug not go
afterwards? He didn't because they really needed the approval and they needed the billing
permit the next day. So that's what happened. So maybe you guys haven't seen it.
It would also be helpful because this board
has, this commission has not even seen this project at all. I came
prepared for that. Oh, awesome. So do you have an overall slate plan? Yeah.
This is the last board to not see this project. The conservation, or the ZBA
and the planning board have both not seen the project? Reviewed it.
Alright, so
we'll go more high level then. Okay.
All the way out. So this is the
subcom property. And the project that was here nine
months ago was
one, we consolidated the lots
and then two, we did this
extrusion building here.
And it actually, the majority of that
addition was a second story addition
over top of the existing building.
I gotta admit, it was pretty
unique.
There were some other
associated improvements located
generally in this area here
with that project.
And I'll actually
flip this page to kind of
zoom it in.
Where's the building that we can actually
see from the road?
That would be this one here.
Thank you.
Yep.
And then the river
the river is right here.
So
with that, there were
and please forgive me that I don't have all the information on that project.
There were some storm water associated, there were some site, some landscaping associated with it,
a little bit, some additional pavement.
Since then, they've gotten a bunch more orders that they decided that they had the capacity or order capacity to justify additional expansions.
And that's where you see these buildings in green, which are the pan building and the chiller building.
And my understanding of that is the pan is a large pan that they end up spooling wire, and that's why they call it the pan building.
And then the chiller building, I don't exactly know why it's called that, but it has something to do with cooling to get it.
So is it after they did their joints or something to let it cool?
I think it's actually cooling the wire as they spin it together.
I think that's what it's for.
In the pan building, what Sam did not tell you, if you're ever lucky enough to be on the site you were there,
the guys, the people that fill those pans walk backwards for eight hours walking around spooling the sink.
So they do it by hand?
And the pan is probably like from here to here to that wall to that wall.
It's 15-foot pan.
And they walk backwards.
The cables are very thick, so they just walk backwards.
And I think they take, someone told me 15-minute shifts, but I think when we were on the site walk, they said it was like an hour.
An hour?
So every hour they do that shift.
And it's outside.
Partially outside.
Partially outside, not indoor.
Right now, I think some of this is to move some of that activity.
In the winter, it's under cover, but it's brutal work.
So with this project, there is a parking expansion, some proposed pavement here.
This actually is pavement that goes underneath the building to access this side over here.
There's an overhang in this area, so it's a loading dock.
These are all transformers.
This is stormwater pond, which this one should be B, that one should be A, that are built to AOT compliance, because the next state, we actually already know that there's going to be another phase of this project, which is a large expansion, generally on this side.
And so we're going to trigger an AOT permit, and so we're going to trigger an AOT permit at the state level for stormwater.
And so we went ahead and already designed these to meet the alteration of terrain standards.
So that's kind of the high level of the project.
Sam, you don't have a blow-up of the next days, do you?
I do not, no.
Because you guys are going to see that probably in September, because there's a condition of use permit that's part of that, and there's a lot more landscaping that's part of that, too.
But that'll be probably September or October.
Yeah.
So thank you for not having many questions about the overall project.
It's huge.
This landscape plan, it is color-coded.
This is the one that was submitted to you, and I don't know if it's within the packets or not.
But I'm going to go ahead and remove this pretty quickly, because we do have some changes, mostly related to these trees in this area here.
Because when we reviewed it with the facilities manager, they said that's the spot where they would like to push snow,
and landscaping and snow storage don't really do well together, so we decided to relocate that and move that.
So with that, you see this kind of red, clouded area here.
You can see that there is no landscaping in this area.
A lot of those trees were moved along this walkway.
And then Doug did decide to add some actual landscaping along the edge of the building to kind of break up that facade as well.
You'll see that is kind of the theme with this landscape plan, where there is some landscaping along this building to break up the facade.
Same thing in this area here.
And then there's some landscaping here, where while it's not really associated with the project, it is immediately adjacent to it.
And it is an area that is void of landscaping.
When we were on site with a planning board, they kind of pointed that out as that would be a good spot to add some additional landscaping in that area.
There was a tree area here on the previous site plan, so to kind of mitigate for the removal of the trees due to the slight enlargement of the stormwater pond,
we did propose some additional landscaping over there as well.
And then just to, we, I believe, Doug said that there was a comment from the Conservation Commission related to like monoculture.
That was just my comment, because, you know, that's, it's important to the commission.
So I wanted just to relate that to Doug.
You gotcha, so that was a...
That was me.
Yep.
Well, within taking that comment, because originally, on the original site plan application, there was only, I believe it was red maple on there.
So to kind of add some diversity, there's still red maple on the site block.
The planning board suggested that we add Princeton elm and black gum tree.
So the red maples on this plant probably should have color-coded them in red, but they're actually the green, scattered about here.
And then the Princeton elm is the blue, also kind of scattered about.
And then the black gum is this kind of orangish-yellow, which those are, they're all clustered, but also scattered about.
And then we do have some arborvitaes located in the middle of the parking area, located along here.
And then we have some, what are, over these, you know, yes, some other arborvitaes, a different, I don't want to say style, but I know that's not the subspecies, that are more adjacent to the buildings, that they really don't grow outward, they grow tall.
So that way they can block as much of the facade as possible without really causing a maintenance issue by growing into the building.
So I believe with that, that's the landscape plan, and we'd be happy to have some, have some comments.
I guess one last thing, we did define this area right around the transformers as the required, per the Eversource design manuals, this is the clear area that they require.
So we dashed that in a red line just to show why there isn't any landscaping located there.
Do we, I don't know that we have LSG, I can't hear you, we don't have LSG.
I can put this board of, like, flat in front of you.
Well, we can have section 7 on LS1A.
Yeah.
This was a presentation one that was, that Doug put together.
Okay.
So do you know what the difference between these would be?
I know, and I know you said you were already making some changes.
So the difference between this plan and the two plans that you had in front of you is one, this was combined onto one sheet.
Well, that's, I believe, is split up into LS1A and 1B.
Okay.
And then the difference is on this one compared to what's in that plan set.
Are what's in this clouded area.
So you can see that there were some trees over here.
Those have been moved, moved over to here.
Some additional trees were added along the walkway.
And then some additional trees were added by these.
Can we talk, can we talk about those arborvitaes adjacent?
Where are they again?
That's this blue circle.
You said adjacent, what's adjacent to the dome?
These arborvitaes.
Yeah, they're not, they're all making their own.
I mean, I love trees, but aren't those going to bake in the sun?
And that's, it's right now, I guess, asphalt, isn't it?
This one's, this one's against the pond.
So, so you got stormwater pond, arborvitaes building.
Then this one.
Those are okay, yeah.
These ones here are a little tight, and I got to admit that I'm not an arborvist.
So I don't know how well, how much green space they need around them to, for them to survive.
But they're more, they're more chosen that they grow vertical and they don't grow outward.
But if they hold up to snow, a lot of our fried syrup split and such.
I guess my concern is, should we mix and match the trees?
That's what I was going to suggest, too.
I mean, you've got a clump here on the same tree, a clump here on the same tree, a clump here on the same tree.
I mean, typically landscape architects like to cluster similar trees together.
Yeah, which is the worst thing to do.
Because if you have something come in, as an example, the ash trees, or the elm trees, then they're all gone.
I mean, elm's a pretty unique, unique scenario.
Like, nature tends to cluster trees together.
Not really.
You go into the woods, they're, they're next.
So I would highly recommend moving some of the species around so you have some different textures and different heights and that instead of.
And that way, if something comes in and hits the red maple, you're not losing that whole group, but that whole group and that whole group, which is exactly what happened with the oz.
That's back when they, everyone fanned the downs for the towns and the cities and they lost everything.
They've pretty much lost them everywhere.
Same thing with the chestnut tree.
Right, that's right.
Ash trees.
Ash trees are now, yeah.
Blue spruits are going.
We're going to end up with oaks everywhere.
That's about it, yeah.
Poison ID.
I mean, that would be my recommendation.
So everything's fine, Jane, just intersperse the clumps with, just move around a little bit.
Yeah.
Like the eights in the corner there, just intersperse them further.
Right.
Right, instead of, you know.
I noticed on LS1A that we have also, there's...
There are some shrubs.
Yeah.
I did skip over those.
Okay.
And there's daylilies.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Is that what's on LSG that you just presented also?
Yeah, so those are the Hs.
And the Hs are not colored in.
They're down here.
They're kind of down here.
Yeah, yeah.
They're sort of more edging.
Yeah.
Very well.
I love the Hs.
I mean, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a few other perennial flowers, because these are
all going to be done blossoming.
Yeah.
Yeah, my dad.
So there's nothing really in the fall that will be of interest with color for late summer.
Mid-summer.
So your WG is roses?
And their height is five feet, five inches, just five feet.
I think that's the mature height that they get to.
They have some roses of Sharon, which will be blooming right now.
Yeah.
So that gives me a...
And you don't have a landscaping...
Who takes care of this landscaping?
It's a difference landscape.
I'm sorry?
I think it's called...
It used to be called Make a Difference Landscape, but I believe it's called Make a Difference.
Yeah.
That we would require a landscape maintenance plan.
Yearly maintenance plan.
Yeah.
On the plan.
Yeah.
I'm assuming it's all irrigated.
Is that a good assumption to make?
Yes.
Yes.
Some people can get them last.
Mine never last.
I never know if it's the shade or what I get.
Yeah.
That's true.
So, and just to confirm, in this view, the river is at the top.
It's still at the top, yep.
So that rain garden on the left, you're saying that, like, northwest is going to be the next expansion?
Yeah.
Can you pull the aerial photo up?
Yes.
I guess I could probably get that.
In fact, this stormwater pond is probably going to be building over top of it.
And then this parking lot area is going to have subsurface parking.
And I think that right here is building, and then there's more subsurface parking.
Subsurface drainage.
Subsurface drainage.
Yeah.
Under the parking.
Can you point out, so they just came to the ZBA last week?
Last week, and got variances for wetland setbacks, a wetland fill.
Maybe you can show with that.
There's a little finger of wetland that runs up next to the parking lot.
And that, so that was, that got zoning relief on Thursday.
I think the goal is to be in front of the planning board sometime this fall.
Exactly.
Yep.
And then you're going to have another crack at it.
And what I really think we should do is probably, you are now the only board that hasn't been out there.
We probably should do a site walk just so you can see it.
Yeah.
Because this is pretty, I mean, it's like the definition of heavy industry.
It's busy back there.
It's, you know, parking and heavy equipment.
But, so I think if you saw it, you'd understand how the site works.
And, so, you know, maybe we can do that before the, before it gets dark too early.
So, John, what's, what's out there right now for landscaping or for trees, forests?
Well, the, the front, what do you call it, the dry building?
The, the front building?
Correct.
Yeah, the, yeah.
The front building, the dry building is what you see in Chattacay.
I think they call it dry because it's where engineering happens.
And, that's nicely landscaped, you know, around it.
And, and, and, and a little bit behind it, there's a smoking area and a patio for one.
People have one shot back.
And, and then, sort of behind that, it becomes like the business, part of the business where there's, you know, it's, it's, I think everybody, everybody works inside.
It's, you know, heavy machinery.
Oh, you have a picture of it.
So, it's, of the, I don't know how much benefit you get from, so, per se right there because it's, it's, it's, it's an industrialism.
I mean, this is, this is the, that's how, because I was, is this, is this on the other plan?
I was looking, like the plantings are only on the front half of it.
Yeah.
So, it's all being suspected.
And, one of the things that we've been trying to do is to try to keep parking lots curler.
It's hard here because they can't have, they've got to have major, huge expanses of asphalt.
They can't have plants in the middle because they're driving heavy equipment.
So, this is where the new, the next stage goes.
The border road, the, the, kind of tan is what was previously permitted.
The green is what we're currently permitting and the orange is what will be beautiful.
It's going to happen.
Yeah, I'm glad.
Yeah.
So, but this, like, this is where the plantings are on that right garden.
Yeah, kind of right, right where that green area is there.
So, yeah, so you're not going to put much back here.
Yeah, and we'll move in like that.
Stormwater pond is going to go below that parking area there and then below that parking area.
And then, on top of it there, if you were ever to visit the site, you would come to here.
This is where the guard shack is.
Oh, where's the guard shack?
Right there.
Right there, yeah.
That's where the guard shack is.
So, if anybody from the public ever came to the site, you wouldn't go over there.
You'd go to the guard shack over there.
So, and that's kind of utilitarian, but it's nice.
Right, our long-term goal here with this next expansion is to hire a professional agency.
And our real focus in the future is to make it attractive for our employees where they take their breaks,
picnic areas and things like that.
I'm sorry, I had to go to where the public would be.
Yeah, would be real popular.
But the front, I mean, the front is very attractive, but the back is a different beach, you know.
Can you go back to the, is it the L.S.?
Well, I don't know what to tell you, but I cannot get this thing to shut off, so it's, it's hot.
Okay, we'll just have to speak well, because I see the hairy, see the hairy garden on the left.
There's three blue trees, right, on the front.
I was looking at, I see four.
There's a green.
Oh, this one, you're on this left.
Yeah, yeah, that left.
That left.
So, I was looking at, like, why wouldn't you plant around the whole thing,
but now it looks like there's a reason, because of the next.
Yeah, exactly, stone, stone, water, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
Does anyone have any questions?
So, what I heard was to intersperse the trees, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the mix is fine, but just intersperse them in groups.
Yeah.
And provide us with a maintenance plan.
Yep.
Yeah.
And it can be pretty simple.
I think Doug's, I think Doug's got something like that, so.
We'll have to see what's in our products.
Yep.
Yeah, I get my.
It might be back here, one of these kind of pages where it just says, you know, spring.
So, I saw where you're removing a stone wall.
I'm just curious.
Where might that be?
It's in the prior.
Forgive me for.
No, that's okay.
It's in one of the earlier stages.
It's in the right case.
And then, I doubt it's a property line stone wall.
No, it doesn't look like it is.
But I didn't know.
It's more like a pile of rubble.
It's a pile of rubble.
It's probably, it's probably SP2A and B would be my guess, but.
It's not a beautiful stone wall.
I've been out there a bunch.
I've never seen the stone wall.
It's a good idea.
Oh, yeah.
So, that's just a pile of rubble.
It's not that it's really nicer.
Yeah.
And so, it's still warm.
So.
I see the stone wall that you're talking about.
Ideally, say, it removes a pile of rubble.
It's still warm.
It's right there.
Is it already removed because of the other part?
I guess it's already removed because of the other project.
So, was it really a historic stone wall?
I couldn't tell you.
I wasn't out there before.
Okay.
Okay.
So, do we want to make a motion with some exceptions?
If you want to recommend or approve the landscaping plan, provided they intersperse the trees in the same groupings and then provide a maintenance plan?
I don't know what else you had.
Does anyone want to make a motion to recommend the plants with the inclusion of the landscaping plan and also request the maintenance plan and request to intersperse the species upon the plant.
So, no new species, no intersperse the species, just disperse them within each other.
Does anybody want to second the motion?
I'll second.
All right.
All in favor?
Aye.
All right.
Sam, before you go, is it premature to talk about a sidewalk?
I mean, I'm just thinking it's going to be September and we're going to start losing daylight and the conservation commission only means monthly.
Should we think about it?
Or do you want to let your plans percolate a little bit more?
I mean, everything's marked.
That's the beauty of it.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I think we really want to delay the potential, and I don't want to say we're going to get approval because last time I said that.
Oh, this has nothing to do with the planning board.
I just want, when you guys come back in with a big project, let's just say it's October, they're not going to be in the mood to go out in the fall and it's raining and cold and dark.
Maybe we should try to do it in September when we have a chance.
Yeah, I can definitely coordinate that with Doug to basically see if there could be a pre-coordination.
From my perspective, absolutely.
Let's do it now in September.
Yeah.
It'd be great.
Yeah.
If you have a list of varieties of trees and troughs and flowers.
No, the tree variety that you have are fine.
That's all set.
And then what we can do is, I think we're going to talk about that tonight, for your next project, I don't even know if there's an opportunity for much landscaping there,
but maybe we can provide more guidance for stuff when you come back to the bigger project.
So is that something we want to try to schedule now?
We can do it outside of a Conservation Commission meeting.
Heidi, you're the only one that works.
I didn't mean to say it.
How early can you get out?
I can schedule it, whatever, because it works for everyone else.
Do we want to do it?
I mean, Laura, what is our September meeting?
It could be September 10th.
That's the second Thursday.
Would we want to do it then?
The ZBA took an hour.
I mean, almost an hour.
You wouldn't probably be as long.
So, what time do we start our meetings at 6?
We could probably do it at like 5.45.
I think that would be enough time.
And then come over here.
And then come here for the meeting.
Okay.
If you wanted.
I think it would be helpful.
I want to say 5.30.
What's that?
I want to say 5.30.
Sure, we can do 5.30.
Does that work for you, Heidi?
Yeah, I got to work at 3.00.
Oh, God.
We could do it at 3.30.
So, we're going to do 5.30 on September 10th.
Are you going to confirm?
You were good.
I'm good.
Okay.
There.
That'll be good with that.
I'm sure Doug will be able to support that.
And can we do the same thing and meet at that?
Same location.
So, Sam, do you want to show the commission where to meet?
It's a pain if you meet at the security guard because then you have to walk.
Well, you know what?
Maybe we should.
Actually, you know what?
Let's do that.
Well, I think we had to badge in, basically.
But why don't we...
That way they can see the facility.
Yeah.
Let's go to the main gate.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I can't see at the main gate.
You can't see through me?
I can try.
Yeah.
Here's the road here.
And then here's the main road kind of coming in.
There's a guardhouse gate right here.
And then there's parking.
Right there.
Right there.
So, 5.30?
Yeah.
5.30 on 9.10.
And if it's horrible weather, we'll be scheduled.
But let's plan on that.
And hopefully the stakes and the pavement markings, they're going to still be there.
So, all the buildings are all stakes.
The big buildings are all stakes out.
The wetland impact.
In fact, you know, if...
What's his name?
Tate?
Yeah.
Tate.
Spencer Tate.
Spencer Tate.
Yeah.
If he could be there.
So, there's a wetland fill and two buffer impacts as part of this.
So, if Spencer could be there, that would be pretty beneficial for the commission.
Because they're going to review the wetland permit eventually.
So, between this and Wilcox, is there an inch of land left over there?
Well, put that aerial photo back up, Sam.
I think that just shows just the facility.
But if you look at the front of the place, if you look at the cover, you'll see if you can see.
No, there isn't.
And that's the problem.
I mean, if you look at the aerial photo...
So, Paul's Brook is to the northeast of that site.
They're not impacting Paul's Brook, but most of you probably know that Paul's Brook starts in a culvert at, oh, here somewhere.
It goes through the mall and discharges next to the new hotel.
Yeah.
And then it finally sees daylight at...
Shannickway?
Or does it hit the light?
No, it does at Woodbury.
So, at the hotel.
It finally sees daylight there.
Then it goes under Shannickway.
Depends on the beavers or not.
So, over to your left there, you see that big wetland system.
Paul's Brook is over on the left.
And there is some tidal wetland over there.
But it's also heavily impacted by...
There's an Eversource easement, a significant easement that goes through there.
And the town has a sewer pump station.
So, there's a sewer easement that runs down through there.
So, those are both maintained.
So, all the sewer in that area runs down there.
Then it's pumped back up to the sewer shooting plant.
So, it's a pretty...
So, yes, they are running out of land.
And they...
And everybody...
Westinghouse is out of land.
GP is desperately out of land.
And Wilcox is running out of land.
So, it's getting...
And I think this was built in 53?
That's about right.
53.
So, it's not like they pick up and move to a new facility.
It's kind of...
It's...
They're in a tough spot.
Then it's probably really nice.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
Your other facility is picking up and moving here.
Is that...
From New Jersey.
Yeah.
I would, too.
It might be in the nice part of New Jersey.
How do you know?
Yeah, there is a very new...
It only...
It's a very new...
It's a very new...
It's a very new...
It's a very new...
It's a very new...
Yeah, yeah.
It's a very nice place.
All right.
Excellent.
Well, we'll see you September 10th.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, and just...
And if you confirm that Spencer and Tate can be there, that'd be great.
Yeah, I'll let Spencer know.
But I don't think...
What day of the week is that?
It'd be a Thursday.
Thursday.
Why?
Is that a problem for him?
I don't know.
I know he sits on his zoning board, so that's the only thing that...
Work first.
Work first.
Yeah.
They only have three members, so if he doesn't serve...
And he shares it.
See, not my problem.
I'm sure you've felt that problem before.
We have, we have, we have something at home.
Well, thanks very much.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
Next on the agenda is website updates.
We're going to turn this over to Cheryl, who has taken on a new project.
Whoa.
That's her...
Retirement.
Retirement project.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, we've been talking for a while about enhancing the website.
I think right now...
You're looking on NRS.
Just the deets.
So, and I started thinking about it earlier this month, or actually in July, when I attended
the Coastal Conservation in-person site.
And when, quote, two of the speakers were from Hampton enforcement that got a large update
to their websites, so then I added after hearing about some kind of their purpose and writing
into, you know, wanting to address some residents that would come to the commission with questions.
We wanted to, you know, add information that would be helpful to residents.
And also, streamline permitting process.
So, I took a look at their websites and then kind of some things we've talked about.
And the first page is just some ideas that I thought would be interesting for our content.
And then just in order, the very first thing is just, what is the conservation commission?
That's a great story.
Who are we when we meet?
Right.
You know, what items that are conservation?
And then a section for our arrangements or land that we have on history and maps that we had talked
about last year putting together and pictures.
And then John had mentioned maybe some information if somebody looking, at least somebody with property
is interested in the conservation, you know, don't get the effort and kind of what that entails.
So, that would be in the first section.
And then after that, it would go down to, like, residents, resources for applicants and residents.
So, online links to forms, like wetland permits, et cetera.
And then also, checklists were, you know, geared to residents and property holders.
If you look, what we did with the shoreline.
You know, if you were doing this, what are things that you should bring to the conservation commission?
You know, what are we looking for before you get here?
And then also, I figured a checklist would be useful to me.
So, that when I'm here, when I'm listening to a proposal, I can, you know, go through and hit the service.
And then applications.
So, that's kind of ideas that I had.
Is there, was, I know when you and I talked, did Suntown have a good example of a website like this?
Yeah.
I know you looked at a couple.
And if I looked at a couple, then I kind of screenshotted just pieces of the other websites, primarily Hempton and Portsmouth, because they were in the meeting.
They did the presentation.
And they just made major changes.
But Durham has a lot of easier information.
That's really good.
So, the second page, this is, this is one of the projects that the Portsmouth have worked on.
And this is actually page five of their big resident handouts.
So, if you go under the land use section, you'll see, like, conservation, we're here, stop here to do this.
This is where you contact, this is what we do.
Kind of just a little one-shot page that somebody could print out.
And then from there, I kind of screened, I've got screenshots of what other websites have done.
So, to start off, it's like, what does the conservation do?
And this is, the top is from Hampton.
And they talk about their numbers.
And our Portsmouth.
And Hampton talks about their mission.
And then after that, a section for permits.
So, you can't really click on the links here, but like a wetland use application, online land use, wetlands map, tidal planting, I think, guide.
So, you know, especially with our new projects down on the shore, you know, what would be good land keeping for that.
And then in our package here, we have our conservation map.
Yeah, we have issues on that.
So, you know, ideas like that.
So, that would be like a one-stop, something you could go in and download.
I don't know what they do now for the application.
And then the last page, or third page, is an example of Portsmouth.
And this is where they've got, sorry, you can't read it, but you can see the links.
The top is all of their permit materials.
And then on the, below that is environmental resource resources.
So, a lot of those go back and, you know, department, DMS, wildlife.
So, just outside resources that you can go through.
Yeah, you can see that now.
So, the very last page is just a summary, not so much for the website, of the two projects that Portsmouth and Yangtze completed with assistance to the grant.
So, that was a DDS, Coastal Resilience Grant.
One was caring for their wetland buffers.
And then the other one was maintaining marsh migration.
So, that was kind of interesting, I put it there.
Also, in Yangtze, they had a project to create demonstration gardens to ensure residents' plants that might survive in salt marsh, etc., wetlands.
That was kind of interesting, so that they could, it's easy to see so that people could use it for salt things.
The very last part, I think I was going to call it, copy back for Laura.
Oh, yay.
That thing is very responsive.
I have a lot of time, so I'm willing, I don't, it doesn't mean I would get it done right away.
But I'm willing to work on it and put it together, you know, for the resource from the rest of the group.
I see that the town has a new website that just went up.
And I know that the administrative assistant has been very, very, very, very busy working on that.
So, I'm hoping to come up with, you know, we can find a way that it doesn't take a lot.
It's not a big lift for them to do.
And one of the ideas I had kind of Googled for AI, the vendor specific plus, which is the website carrier.
Oh, okay.
And kind of a, one suggestion for how an admin can set up a user group, you know, for a separate group that they only have access to where they can put up their materials.
Then the administrator would publish that to them.
So, it's kind of a way to let somebody in and maybe do some of the footwork themselves rather than put it on.
That's the town personnel.
Just one suggestion.
So, my, my follow-up is just if we wanted to progress with that and we wanted to kind of prioritize what would be the most important to start with and kind of go down from there where to, you know, start gathering materials.
Go ahead.
You were going to say something.
I was just going to say, Cheryl, I think this is incredible.
I think it's exactly what we've been talking about.
And if you have the passion and the bandwidth to get at least some of it off the ground and, you know, we can pitch in where we can, I think that would be awesome.
Well, I hope that, you know, anybody would like to play with me.
I'm not a web developer or a graphic designer or even a creative person.
Who is?
I don't mean here.
I mean, who would do it?
Who would be us?
Okay.
So, then I can pull out the webinars and plug my way through them.
I can follow directions.
So, you know, it may be just as simple as pulling and flip art and bullets.
I mean, the reality is any improvement will be significant compared to what we've got.
So, I think that's great.
Yeah, I really love the history.
Yeah, and looking at it and trying to, I mean, definitely the first one would be really good.
Yeah.
I don't know.
People ask, what do they do?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I could see probably that applications and the permits are probably easier to do than, you know, accumulating the history and the maps and the pictures and that kind of stuff.
So, you might be able to, you know, especially once we explain what we do and who we are and when and where and that kind of stuff.
Then you can kind of have the applications right underneath there.
And then we work on this.
I like the checklist, too, because a lot of people don't know what to know.
Right, right.
Yeah.
Well, and the checklist for us, too, I think it's great.
Yeah.
Especially for new folks that are joining us.
Like, what are the questions?
Even the old folks.
Well, they're the only commission, committee, that doesn't have notebooks.
I mean, come to the planning board and they all have their notebooks.
With historical stuff in it.
Yeah, and permits and, you know, checklists and that kind of stuff.
And we've never, ever had that.
So, the permits, maybe, John, you could help me.
Sure.
I don't know what permits are out there.
That would be pretty easy.
Well, I like what, I like what Forstman said.
Because that's hard for me.
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, although it doesn't really work that way in my experience with Forstman.
But I like how they say it.
The best thing you can do is reach out before you design or apply.
And start with a plan.
They put their name and their title and their phone number right there.
I think that's pretty good.
Because we have a lot of people that just don't know what to do.
And, you know, rather than having a, and put that right up front, so rather than wade through a stinking website.
Well, they're defeated before they even start.
I mean, I just had these two nice people that just bought, they're building a house, they're just starting a house down at Shackford.
They're moving up, they've lived in a condo their whole life in Manhattan and they're retired and they've never owned a house before.
And they have a bunch of dead ash trees and they said, can we remove them?
And some of them are on the shrine.
And they said, yeah, have them, you know, have them flagged.
We'll go look at them.
But, like, they actually had the time.
They actually drove here and they wanted to, they came to talk to Jeremy.
He wasn't here, so I dealt with them.
But, like, that's pretty cool.
They actually just came to us and wanted to know, can we, can we come down?
So, you know, people have all kinds of questions like that.
This is helpful.
It's like you need a, yeah, for a minute, yeah.
And you need a listen.
Yeah, right.
I think it's pretty good.
Cheryl, the only thing I would add on the first page is I wanted to have a repository of our events, the spring and the falls for the day.
Oh, okay.
To kind of show what we've done.
Yeah.
And then if you go.
I've got to figure out what all we've done.
Yeah.
Because I'm like, oh, who is the butterfly person?
Oh, yeah.
What's the name?
What organization?
It would be great to look at it.
Because we could upload their presentations to it, too.
We don't have a camera up there, do we?
There's no camera like this up at the left.
No.
I mean, I would not want to have a presentation in this room because it's nowhere near as nice as the library.
But it is kind of cool to have them recorded.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
I don't know if we could do that somehow.
I, you know.
Laura might know.
Laura and her technical person.
Yeah.
They're, I don't know that'll happen this year, but she's trying to figure out a way to be able to record stuff.
Even if you have just the YouTube link, if you want to go back and watch it, I think they've been pretty well, pretty good and well-attended.
Yeah.
And she used to film The Candidate's Night.
Remember?
Oh, really?
Back during COVID.
I remember seeing Jack.
The only thing, the only thing that I have heard is that there may be some, you know, some people are free to speak, and when they know they're on camera, maybe they're, I don't know, they might be a little more reluctant to speak freely, maybe.
No.
No?
Doesn't bother you.
I haven't seen that in any town meeting.
Okay.
Well, then maybe don't worry.
But I think it'd be cool to have those links on there, you know?
Yeah, I agree.
If we could record it.
I mean, I think at minimum, what we could do, and we could maybe test this for fall for the day, is have the speaker join a Zoom call so that at least their voice is being recorded with the presentation.
I think that we could do right away.
The rest, I don't know.
I don't have to dig through.
But I know Laura is trying to get more video stuff happening at the library.
The Meeting House, the second church that comes in, has wired up the Meeting House.
You go in there, you can see where they've got the cabling, and they've got the Wi-Fi in there, and they've got the camera set up.
Oh, interesting.
Broadcast.
It's not good.
It's interesting to see all of those at the Meeting House.
Yeah, interesting.
Okay.
Okay, so I'll, once we come up with access, how we want to proceed.
Yeah, so I can talk to Martha.
I had talked to Martha probably a year ago about she was willing to do whatever we needed, and, of course, now with her retirement coming at some point next year.
Is Sylvia the only one doing it right now?
She's very, so I...
Is Debbie going to do, is it going to be only Sylvia?
Okay.
I can talk to Martha and see what's, if she's willing, if somebody's willing to give us the editing permissions.
This is, this is like, ideal, right?
Right.
And then...
That would be them setting up, just like her own page.
Yeah.
That's off, off production.
Yeah.
And only, um, the access, we could only access at that page.
Yeah, okay.
And then it would never go up front until Sylvia or Martha moved it.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
So it wouldn't crash anything.
Yeah, yeah.
It would be objective, objective, terrible.
Yeah, so I can, I don't know, I don't know if Martha's around next week, but I can try to ping her up.
She is.
Okay.
Bye, blue.
All right, good job.
Thank you, Cheryl.
Thank you, Cheryl.
Before we move on, I wanted to say something, because when you went, when Cheryl asked me for some time this week,
and I gave it to her, or last week, and the one thing that she glossed over was,
you mentioned it somewhere, was a demonstration garden?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I said, Cheryl, why don't we see if we can get some volunteers?
There's all kinds of town and land, and we always had people coming in saying,
what kind of trees do you recommend, or what kind of blah, blah, blah.
Why don't we do something when we do a little garden where we have, you know, salt-toned trees,
and, you know, I don't know if I'm going to say a garden or just an area where we could show people what works here.
You know, maybe it's out here, or it's an old town hall, or it's a library, I don't know, but somewhere, somewhere.
Oh, that would be great.
And then just a little have plaquets on it and say, this is what this is, and they might love it.
Yeah.
I mean, it'd be kind of cool if there's plenty of places we could do it here where it would get some benefit.
Well, we actually, the designer that was down kind of where the e-bike place, he was putting in really native and hardy species,
and it would have been really nice to see how that was actually doing, because I don't even know where it was exactly.
Well, I think the guy that you loved, or that you guys liked, was Wilcox's Landscape Architect,
because he was using all kinds of native stuff, like Sumac, and I think he was the one that you guys really liked.
Well, there was another guy that they were doing just the small one right down.
Oh, you're right, you're right, it was the rain garden.
Yeah, well, rain gardens don't work, but yeah.
Okay, it looks called a small depression.
Yeah.
And I, you know, I've actually been there, because I've bought a couple of bikes from them,
but I don't, I don't know if that's, I don't know if it was there.
No, it was, that's exactly where it was.
It was, it was in between Gosling and, yeah, I could ask them.
Yeah, we'll go look at it and see if it's, you know, I can't remember who did that, but I can figure it, I can find out.
I mean, I personally love the idea of having somebody like a little fox host the demonstration garden on their site.
I mean, let them, let them maintain it and.
Well, it looks like he put all the same trees in.
Were they cherries?
I think they're cherries.
Yeah.
Well, the only thing you can be sure is that they die to replace them, so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I have an article, I mean, I told William about it.
It was about the history of chest, of Elm.
It was very, very well done.
And I've got to find it and send it to you, John, so you can send it to everyone.
Yeah.
But maybe that, maybe that's another idea, rather than having the town do it.
Yeah.
Having you do it on a business somewhere in town, you know.
Especially where they have irrigation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they can maintain it, yeah.
Yeah.
And, I mean, they've got to plant anyway, so.
Yeah, no, I think that's a great idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe we can talk to some common about it, you know, every next month.
All right, excellent.
So, Sheryl, I'll ping you after I meet with Martha and see what the next steps are on that,
on the website.
Next is Fox Point shoreline stabilization discussion.
We are meeting with the select board.
Wednesday?
Wednesday.
So, yeah.
And I got another, I had, I can't remember.
I can't remember the woman's name from Riverside Pickering.
Kirsten, Kirsten, Kirsten.
I saw her on Monday.
She came into the office and said, what's going on?
You guys want to do anything with that project?
I said, well, we're on hold right now.
We're going to go and talk to the board of select.
Because I think some of us got sticker shock.
We're now wondering if it's even, if it even makes sense to spend a lot of money out there.
So, she said, do you want me to put together a rough budget?
I said, if you can do it, sure.
I said, I don't want you to spend 40 hours.
And I told her what our meeting was.
Because if we had an idea of what it was going to cost, you know, I mean, if it's $5 million,
you might just say, well, let's just lose 30 feet more land, you know.
If it's a million bucks, you might say, yeah, it's worth saving the point.
So, hopefully, she'll have that.
I told her we were meeting with a select one on Wednesday of next week.
Hopefully, we'll have that by then.
But that's, I guess that's what we all need to think about is, you know, there's some serious talk now
about potentially building a new fire station, public safety complex back here.
That's going to be expensive, I'm assuming.
You know, and this, and then Fox Point will come up.
I don't know what else is on the, is we're looking at in the future.
But, you know, the town can only spend so much money.
And my sense is that we're not going to, our conservation fund is not going to be replenished.
Because I just don't think there's any, there's not much more land left to take out of, to take out of, out of, out of, out of, out of, out of, current use.
Yeah.
So.
Do we know what land is currently in, current use?
We do, but there's not much.
I don't think the, I don't think the Coleman's is.
I don't think.
And I don't think, uh, Spinney's is.
The Spinney's is.
What about Gazelle?
Well, it might be.
Is it increased?
I, I, I, that's a good, I, you know what, let me, let me check.
That's a good question.
Because being a farm, it might actually be under, like, farm usage.
And Gazelle might be another one, too.
Yeah.
I don't think that's, has any development attention.
I think that's really wet.
But it's, I'll, let me, let me find out.
I think it just might be in current use.
Who's is in current use.
Yeah.
Uh, I was hoping Harvey's was in current use, but it turns out it wasn't, so.
For youngs, do they have up here?
Behind, um, barachos?
Uh, yeah, there's only 10 acres.
I think they.
10 acres.
They did some trading, too, for.
Yeah, I don't, if there is, Cheryl, I don't, I don't think so.
But, uh, I'll, I'll, I'll get a list of current use properties so we have them.
But my, I guess my biggest point is, or my, my, my, the point is I don't think we're going
to be replenishing our fund anytime soon, because I just don't see anything in the pipeline
that's going to be developed this in current use.
I, specifically for Fox Point, I think it's that of all projects would be most critical
to get a town-wide vote on it.
I mean, I know we have to legally do that if we move forward, but just before we even do
anything, I think it's, I don't know if you've told the residents.
Well, I had this discussion.
Would people say he cares, or would they say, no, we have, we absolutely have to do it.
I had this discussion with Jeremy Boston, and I said, you know, I bet you there's a lot
of people in Newington that don't even know about Fox Point.
Oh, that's not true.
And then he sort of said that, you know what, you could be right.
Yeah, yeah.
And there's a lot of people that use it, but it's a small group.
Yeah, right, right.
It's the same group that uses it a lot.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I think...
I didn't use it for years.
And then you had to go...
Well, oddly enough, the people I was just telling you that moved here from Manhattan, they had
already found it.
Yeah.
Or they haven't moved here.
They're moving here from Manhattan.
They had already found it.
But I don't know how important it is to...
Yeah, especially the other side of town.
Right.
I mean, if you live over on the Greenland side, maybe they'll ever go there.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And then the other question is, and maybe Jane is better equipped to answer this than anybody,
but what does the future hold for that point?
You know, it's been eroding for 40 years, but my sense is that if you follow what's been going
on the east coast, the rate of erosion has gotten to be significantly greater.
Right.
So what is the next 10 or 50?
I mean, if the whole point's gone, then we're in trouble.
We lose five feet in the next 20 years.
Eh, who cares?
But I don't know.
Storms seem to be getting worse and worse and more frequent.
I think the point is more important to those that are landlocked, that don't own land on the water.
It's there.
It's like my access to the water.
Right, right.
It's your waterfront.
Yeah.
I don't disagree.
I guess the big question is how much to spend the money to preserve what they have.
I think you, for a couple emails, have some ideas about, you know, potentially maybe we don't want to...
I cannot hear you.
Sorry.
If we don't want to spend the money, you know, maybe go to UNH and have it as a senior project
or I forget what the name of their projects are over there, but...
And there's also money available from DES from when you preserve wetlands, you pay into a fund.
I can't remember what it is.
Don't get jeans started.
It's called the ARM Fund.
Don't qualify for it because it's not public access.
Oh, okay.
So we get...
I've had fights with DES in multiple years.
All right, thank you.
And, yeah, I mean, they...
And it's not the permitting that's expensive.
You know, the permitting proposal is around 50 grand, which is...
I actually didn't think it was that bad because it contains very much of survey work.
But it's the actual construction.
I mean, the last job that we saw, I think before you joined the commission,
that was just completed, the Groovy Family Trust,
I mean, they hauled that granite down from Redstone...
From Glen, New Hampshire?
From Glen, New Hampshire.
Glen and Norie Conn.
And they were doing one or two trucks a day.
I mean, just the truck...
So just the stone alone was expensive.
And it was slow-go.
I mean, you know.
So that's the problem.
And there's no other way to fix...
I don't think there's any other way to fix that point.
Natural vegetation, you have never...
If I remember correctly, is it Paul that's going to be at the meeting with the board of selection
and also that could potentially look into grants for us?
Paul DeShane, yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yep.
I just think that I always look at Jane because I think she has a sour tasting amount
because it just doesn't seem like Newington ever gets a fair shake when it comes to DES funds.
You know, like a lot of the monies that we generate revenue for the state here,
then it goes to Epsom.
You know, the coastal zone is crazy huge.
Like, why does it go to Epsom when they're...
I mean, I guess they're technically in the coastal watershed,
but we don't...
We applied several times and haven't gotten them down.
Well, now we have Heidi, so maybe we have an inch.
Actually, I think it was DOT that we actually got more because of the highway.
Because they had to...
Some...
There was a change in regulations that they had to provide some mitigation in the towns.
But they were caught doing it, which they hadn't before.
And Paul is...
I don't know what his title is.
He's like a special projects guy.
I mean, he was a Stratum Town manager, administrator for years.
Very good.
So, and he's a good grant writer.
So, I mean, he'll...
I talked to him...
In fact, Jeremy Boston and I had a meeting with...
I can't remember some woman's name from DES.
About grant monies for Fox Point, but...
I don't know.
She didn't...
She didn't have a lot of help for us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So...
But maybe we'll have more accurate information on Wednesday of next week.
Yeah.
So, talking about Fox Point, what is Paul doing there?
What's his...
Oh, the farmer.
The farmer.
I don't know.
And he's cut down the field and he's spreading stuff.
What's his...
What's he doing?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I thought I heard that he had gotten the...
Yeah.
He did have the grants.
Yeah.
Even though he never signed it?
Yeah.
Yes.
So he's seeding?
We don't know.
He's got a big pile of loan or something.
Right.
For mulch or...
And that white stuff is all gone.
So he's spread that.
The line?
What was it?
Yeah, he's dropped out of the machine that looks like this.
He's done the north and south fields as far as cutting it down.
How's the mulling out there, by the way?
Oh, the mulling, it's been fantastic.
Much better.
Oh, good.
Good.
Just really good.
A little slow in the beginning.
Yeah.
I think they had it under control.
They really did a great job.
Good.
Well, they haven't used muller.
They're using the good muller.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, well, Jeremy would be happy to hear that.
I'll find out what all the farmer's doing.
Did he cut down the field by the house?
No.
No, they counted that.
Oh, they did.
Frank did that.
Right there?
Behind J's house?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, and one of the things that, one of the discussions that we did have with DES when
Paul, the Shane, Jeremy, and I were on the phone was, could we split Fox Point into two
parcels?
So, let's just say, so we could get monies for the point, but have the boat ramp and, you
know, the rest of it out of that area.
So, but at that point, it's, I don't know.
That is a Pandora's box that you're opening.
Yeah.
I mean, I think you all know, I question whether or not anybody would ever use Fox Point, but
you're all there and you do see people from out of town.
Massachusetts, Maine, New York.
I mean, it's not like wagon wheeling.
You drive by there.
There's a zoo in the wintertime.
Yeah.
But that's right under before, so it's a little bit different.
I don't, but I mean, if it's a gamble you don't want to take, then, you know.
Because it won't stop there.
They'll, they'll see what's there.
Yeah.
And they'll use it.
Yeah.
So, I, that was just, that was, that was one of the, one of the ideas that came up in the
meeting was splitting it into two parcels or something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And making one public access.
One, putting a custody, she needs another one.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Which would, which would then allow public access.
Of course, they couldn't drive down the road.
You, they have, they can't, you can only come by water.
Which is what they, some of them do.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Not so much this year.
Last year, there were a lot of people coming in.
Yeah.
Because they couldn't park here, so they're driving.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
And then the, the, uh, clamors come in by water.
Oh, from, uh.
From wherever, wherever.
Oh, okay.
And because they can, they can clam on the beach.
But they can't park.
Yeah.
Yeah, because that means it's hard.
Okay.
All right.
Well, we'll see how that meeting goes next week.
Um, the very 20-27 budget discussion, I know.
We didn't even have the forms.
No, we didn't.
Because Martha had asked you and I, I think, to discuss it.
But I talked to Chris, Chris.
Wayland.
Wayland today.
Uh, uh, Cheryl's replacement.
And he doesn't even have our budget forms ready until, he won't have them ready until next week.
So.
Okay.
But we can talk about, I mean, we know what the budget is.
It's pretty bare bones.
Like $6,000.
Yeah.
$7,000.
I mean, I don't, I don't think, just honest out of my head, I wouldn't change anything.
I don't think you're over here.
But does the website, is the website for the home?
Maybe add some supplies for the website.
And not only that, maybe if we need to get some professional advice.
We haven't met one of our members yet.
I don't know what she does for work.
Does anybody?
Maybe she's a web designer.
She's a Christmas card.
Is she a, Cheryl, is she a web designer by chance?
I know, I was thinking that too.
She does great Christmas cards.
Well, we don't care about that.
We need a web designer.
She was apologetic about not being able to come tonight.
But maybe she's got, maybe that's the skills that she has.
Yeah.
Someone young.
Right.
Someone younger.
But I don't think that's a bet.
It might be worth throwing a few bucks in for assistance.
Because if you're going to do it, let's do it right.
Yeah.
So how many bucks are we going to throw you?
Do we have last year's, if it's the same?
We don't even have the template because they're going to be released next week, according to Chris.
The budget template.
So can they wait for assistance?
It's going to have to.
I mean, I don't even know when we're out.
So we're tying up like $4,500 or $9,500.
Well, to Louie's question, when is the Conservation Commission going to be in front of the budget committee?
She sent the schedule right now.
It's not until the end of September.
So we'll have time.
Yeah.
I'm just going to see if I have an old one, but I don't think I do.
Okay.
So let's table that for next month.
And if I have to hunt and make it happen.
All right.
So let's review the town-wide conservation plan.
Yes, I have some questions on this.
Is this one John knew after the last time we reviewed this?
Yes.
You know, he still has some issues.
Yeah, there's a problem.
I don't think there's a problem.
Well, the Baird conservation easement is on the wrong side of the road.
I mean, that got me so confused.
Hulling on the wrong side of the road.
Is he listening?
I'm not.
I'm trying to shut this thing off.
It will not shut off.
See, you should have left it with me.
Where's the Baird?
Baird's not on the wrong side of the road.
Yes, it is.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
It's not by the water.
It's on the other side.
It's so funny when I saw that.
I'm so confused.
Where am I?
This is the Baird.
Oh, this is the Baird.
Oh, well, Baird's in the wrong spot.
Yes, it's on the wrong side of the road.
Yeah, that's...
And you need the pond.
No, it's not on the wrong...
It's on the right side of the road, but it's in the wrong area.
No, it's across the street.
It's across the street.
Who thought this is water?
Isn't this Baird right here?
This is Baird right here.
Yeah, yeah, they're over here.
They're not on the water.
They're over here.
Oh, I see.
I thought this was Baird.
No, no, this is the water.
This is Fish and Gain, right?
No, that's supposed to be...
Baird is saying...
This is saying Baird, and then Fish and Gain is right beside them.
And those boats are...
What is this, though?
That says Baird.
I know, but what is it?
It should be Fish and Gain.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
Okay, and what's the light green here?
And that says Fish and Gain.
Is that all Fish and Gain?
I think it is.
It could be all on the side, yeah.
Okay.
It could be too...
So why are we in the same area?
52-6?
Yeah, it says undeveloped road.
That's just a...
That's the top...
It's at Woods Point Road.
What?
52-6?
This is the end of Airport Road.
It's up here.
Oh, it does say 057.
Oh, let me just make this one correction.
Baird.
That's the first one.
Okay, so that was the first one.
That was my bad.
I didn't pick up on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, 52-6, Luanne.
It just has to be on Airport Road instead of Hotspur Road.
On the list.
Yeah.
The assessor's database.
Okay.
Okay.
Oh, and by the way, I think you have two different versions.
Yeah, we do.
Yes.
One has tax maps, mapping lots, and one doesn't.
Because I think you guys said it was too busy.
Yeah.
So, um...
I couldn't tell the difference.
Well, no, I can't tell the difference.
Oh, it's this one.
This one has all the tax stuff.
So, I don't know which one you like better.
No.
This has all the property lines, and this one doesn't.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
So, I don't know which one you like better, but it's just a key stroke to change it, so...
Yeah.
I don't know which one you like better than that, but it's just a key stroke to change it.
Yeah.
I don't know which one you like better, but it's just a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a keystroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a keystroke to change it, so it's a key stroke to change it, so it's a key point.
Okay, then up at the Hislop, and then it says Town of Newington, it's 1014, and it says Hislop underneath that, and that's not right.
Okay.
That was the Saba.
Yeah.
And so...
So wait, what is Hislop?
Hislop's the...
No, I know that, but is that all one?
Is yours and David's?
Do you don't have any in it, or is it just...
I know, I only have five acres.
Oh, okay, okay, gotcha.
Yeah, so it's all...
Okay.
It's in David's name.
Yeah.
It's the family.
Yeah.
So I don't know, that's because of the old Saba or Night Hill, I don't know what you're calling
it now.
It's listed as Night Hill.
Yeah.
Do you want to call it Night Hill?
Yeah, that...
I don't know if there's a way of delineating the difference between the two properties.
So, yeah.
Okay.
A thick line.
So then, this is really...
Oh, see, not...
Yeah, yeah, and that's over there.
Yeah, that was correct.
And then, Tricky's Code, so 6-2 is the old Bean property, or 6-2, because that's Fish
and Game, yeah, down here, that's Fish and Game, so, so, yeah, so that...
Oh, that's not even labeled, is it?
Well, it's labeled by the number, and it's also Green, so zoned by other organizations, that's Fish
and Game, um...
What's the name of that road, Gene?
Beans Lane.
Beans.
Beans Lane.
Beans.
B-E.
I just got in an argument with a local surveyor about that, because all of our records have
it as Beans without an apostrophe, and they had their survey said Beans.
I think it's Beans, but...
S. David, I'm not the surveyor in the family.
I think it's Beans, that's...
I mean, is it Carter's Rock with an apostrophe?
Yeah.
Tricky's Cope with an apostrophe?
I don't think Tricky's Cope has an apostrophe, though.
Yeah, I think you're right.
Those are the things, right, so I don't know if there's anything else.
Oh, we're missing...
Can you read the end of Patterson Lane?
I guess that is red.
Oh, 14, 18.
14, 18, and maybe that could be blown up a little bit.
There it is.
The boat ramp.
Oh, boat ramp.
Oh, that boat ramp.
The boat ramp at the end of Patterson?
It's not on the list, right?
Yeah.
I don't know, they're not numerical, so it's...
I don't know.
Oh, they're not natural right here.
Wait, that's...
No, wait, where is it?
Is it?
Yeah, it is.
That's where I couldn't find.
I was looking...
Just call the sack boat ramp.
Oh, there's Patterson Lane.
I think it's 19, 18.
Yeah.
I don't know about that.
But it's not red.
Because I'm not a resident.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Not because I didn't get it over there.
It's 14, 18, though.
That's why we didn't want to know.
Yeah, I do have my life down there at least once a week.
And I wait for the cops to come.
Well, I was going, you're going to come find it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's been kind of out of the order.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So why is...
Why is Flint...
It's at Flint's Pit in Town Island's property, but it's green.
It's not red.
There must be a reason that I don't know.
Flint's Pit is...
That's conservation, isn't it?
Well, it's 19 acres.
That's not...
I don't think it's 19 acres, is it?
Well, they re...
Because of Eversource power lines.
Yeah.
So they re-figured it some.
I don't know, but it seemed like a small piece.
19 acres is a lot.
I'll check on that.
Yeah.
I know just the person that will know.
Okay.
17, 3...
Oh, Goat Island.
Is that a fishing game?
Who was that?
Does anybody know?
I think Goat Island is a new...
I think it's a new way, too.
I have a note from last time that we said it was dark green as a conservation, and we asked
it to be changed.
To light green?
I don't know.
I know it's not.
I think Hen Island is all about a town, right?
Oh, it says state of New Hampshire.
Yeah.
That's not very misleading.
Well, there we go.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah, so it should be, yeah.
And that was owned by the man that owned Nest Lab.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
And he was a big birder, so he...
Is that a new engine, do you think?
It's kind of...
I mean, the river...
Isn't that the thread of the river that's the border?
Yeah.
I mean, that river's got to be pretty wide.
Yeah, it was, yeah.
Yeah, it was a big birder.
Hmm.
So, John, do you have...
Are you getting these, like, is this all one file, like, so once we get it corrected, Cheryl
could add it to the website?
And if you wanted to...
And if you wanted to...
I mean, Altus Engineering is doing these, so they'll keep the files.
What I was going to say is we could split it into two areas at a time.
I think if we...
I actually think if we printed this out at, like, a full-size, you know, 30 by 24, it'd
be much more readable.
But for the purposes of viewing, this is fine.
But, yeah.
And I think we'll clean up, put a border on it, make it nice looking.
It's kind of basic now, but...
It might be nice to actually send this as a pamphlet flyer to the townspeople.
I'm sure they have no idea.
You're probably right.
Is it PDF, you mean?
Yeah, via email.
That would be good.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it would be nice to have learning.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It will clean it up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Even if it's on a board that we can just bring in for our meetings, and that would...
I cannot hear you a little bit, I'm sorry.
If we printed this, like John's saying, in a large format, so you can just have it on a board,
that we put it at least even bring in here for our meetings.
Not...
If we can have it mounted, great.
But if we can't, we'll do that as a pamphlet.
We can mount it.
All right.
Excellent.
And we're going to go with the one without tax maps, right?
Yeah.
I think that makes it less...
Okay.
Too busy.
So I won't do any...
What I may do this time is clean all this up, and I'll have them printed on large paper,
and then we can all look at them one final time, and then we'll...
After that, we'll make any last minute corrections, and then we'll produce it.
Is that good?
Sure.
I do have one question, though.
On the fine green, what is that yellow...
Is that a road that goes across from one green area to the next green area?
Is that Arboretum?
Oh, Merrimack Drive.
It's Merrimack Drive.
Is that what used to be...
Which is now Arboretum?
Yeah, it doesn't say Arboretum at the top, and then it turns into Merrimack Drive.
Oh, then it turns into Merrimack Drive?
Is that what it is?
Is that true?
Maybe when it gets out of my...
I don't know.
Where does it say Merrimack Drive?
Right before it gets into the big refuge.
Oh, right, right, right.
It's on Google Maps, it's Merrimack Drive.
That's not true.
If it's on Google Maps, it's got to be true.
Well, I mean, Louie, he was here.
I think it's Arboretum.
Yeah, I thought, I mean...
Just take it out.
And I know several GPSs are putting people on Arboretum and not being able to go across the gate.
I've had several calls, but the gate won't open.
Well, so many people smash into it.
Why are you giving calls?
Because they were coming to my house for a party.
Oh, no!
And they were...
So I'm making sure I tell everyone to get off exit four.
Because they've had lots of visitors to check.
Can you call us?
Yes.
Yeah.
We'll see.
I would probably...
Yeah.
How does somebody...
How do you do that?
Yeah.
How do you do edits?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we come back.
Okay, so I'll have that revised for our next meeting.
All right.
Future projects fall for the day.
So I was able to...
Okay.
When is this fall?
Um, October 6th at the library at 530 is fall for the day.
I'm blanking on the woman's name right now, but she is going to talk about gardening for wildlife.
And Diana DeLuca, she's a senior biologist from New Hampshire, Audubon.
And this is a presentation she has done before, so I...
Not in New England, but she's presented it at Audubon headquarters before, so I know it's going to be a good one.
Are we getting the paper?
We are getting the paper.
It's, um, I think it was like $2.50 or...
It was less than $300, I think.
So we can't have food at night, 10-Jane.
I haven't charged the committee last few times.
And buy it all myself.
We can definitely have food.
So, um, we can talk about food, um, at our September meeting.
Yeah.
Um, Martha's going to put it in the newsletter for September and October.
Do we put on the postcards, do I think you have a sign-up, don't you?
Yes.
Do we have a cap, or are we not worried about that?
We've never really reached it.
Okay.
I think a couple have been getting kind of close, but we're...
Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I did talk to Laura, and she said that that room actually, standing, can take, what did she tell me, like 75 people?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
We're trying, then.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
We don't have that many chairs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That would be a good problem to have if we have to cap attendance.
Mm-hmm.
Um, did you have anything else, John, in terms of future projects that you wanted to ask?
Well, just in my disappointment, and I think I copied you on some of the emails.
I, I, I, at our last meeting, we said we were going to try to do a sight walk tonight at Carter's Rock and Tricky's Cove.
Yeah.
I sent four emails to Selp, to Dwayne, and then to Dwayne, and said, why don't you talk to this woman, I can't remember her name, I think I copied Laura on a couple of these emails, and nothing.
Mm-hmm.
And then it was kind of disappointing, you know, because, you know, we do pay them, or we paid them to oversee these conservation easements, and I was kind of disappointed that she didn't even just get back to me and acknowledge it, like, say, hey, it's summer, I'm just too busy.
Nothing.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
and boundaries are, and is there anything we can do to make it, provide access to the public? If we can, we can't.
I think he said there were so many visas in Poison Ivy. Yeah, it's really...
Heidi, I can't hear you. I'm sorry, there's Poison Ivy and some of the visas over there.
Poison Ivy's everywhere. Yeah, sure is.
Okay, well I'll ping them off of your emails and see if we can shape the tree. Maybe you have more clout, yeah.
I don't know about clout. Just sign your name, share. I'm just making a squeaky reveal. Yeah.
Okay. Does anybody else have anything in terms of future projects? Other than the website? Other than Foxpoint? No.
I don't have future projects, but I know we had mentioned the last time about the bridge project that's going on.
with the area that they're working in. The what? The what? The bridge. The General Sullivan Bridge.
Oh. And you had asked if they were going to, like, what it was going to look like when they were done.
They're going to put it back to the way that it was prior to. So there will be access up into that area for fishing stuff,
but it's going to have the ballards probably. He said if we wanted a parking area that it would have to go through the town and figure it has to be engineered.
And what do you mean by putting it back?
They'll leave a bridge above, probably, with bollards. At least, I mean, that might be the place to...
Yeah, yeah. There will still be access. Yeah. Yeah.
Nice. That would be nice. The other side is really done up nice.
The Newick side of Hilton Point. Hilton, right?
Hilton, right? Yeah. We've got yoga there and there's picnic tables and you can ride your boat under the bridge.
Martha sent me an article today, but I don't have any more clicks on Foster, so I couldn't open the article, but it was something about...
You might know, Heidi, about the schedule is ramping up there and apparently there's going to be traffic delays.
I just couldn't read the article because I didn't.
I saw the intro to that, too.
Then it went away. So I don't know what's going on, but it might stink for a couple months, I guess.
Are they leaving the abutments in the river?
I believe so, yeah.
They're just taking the structure down.
Well, that would be nice to have access to the river.
It's too bad we couldn't find a place to park a few cars in there, you know?
That was the big thing. I talked to the district engineer and he said that there's no way to turn anyone around in there so they can't have it as a parking area.
We have the parking area at Bloody Point. I don't know who owns that.
There's a four or five car parking lot. If you pull into the house at Bloody Point, you don't even know what I'm talking about.
There's a little parking lot down there.
The Toll House?
Yeah, the Toll House.
The state on that.
I mean, that's a pretty reasonable walk from there underneath it. But is there a sidewalk under the bridge?
There is, yep.
On the north side?
The water side.
On the water side, yeah. So that's not a bad walk. But we still don't know. The state said they were going to sell that five years ago and they still haven't sold it. So I don't know what's going to happen with Bloody Point.
Yeah.
But that would be a reasonable parking lot. It's already there for, I'd say, four or five cars. And that would provide parking. Because I do worry about people parking on the side of the road if they want to fish there.
Or pulling it and then having it back out on that curve. Yeah. Yeah. That's exciting. Yeah. Thanks for calling up on that. That might be, if we can get a sidewalk at Turkey's Cove, it might be interesting to look at the two right next to each other. Right? Because it would be directly abutting.
Yeah, they abutting. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Cool. All right. So I think last up is minutes from last time. Did anybody sign up for the Changemaker program? I did. I did too. Okay. We'll see if I get accepted.
I need to write. We're doing something. Jack is sponsoring them here on the 22nd. That's right. That's right. That's right. They're kind of the new ones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what it is.
I'll tell you afterwards. Okay. Um, does anybody have any edits to make on the minutes? No.
Oh, how's their lawsuit going? Um, well, not well. I mean, it's, you know, it's just grinding through. It's a judge that's hearing the case. So, um,
I don't anticipate any answer any time soon. Um, our lawyer is Laura Spector Morgan, uh, from Laconia, and she thinks it'll probably be mid to late fall before we have an answer.
Is there a few things, though, that were already dismissed?
Yeah. Well, dismissed, and there's been some tweaks to the, to the filing. I think the judge, I'm not a lawyer, but I think the judge allowed some minor changes to how it was filed. But, um, it's, it's proceeding. It did not get dismissed. I think, I think Laura asked for it to be just dismissed entirely, and that didn't happen. Yeah. So it's, it's going forward. And,
you know, hopefully for us, for everybody, hopefully we have an answer soon, because it's disappointing that, you know, we know we can't do anything with that land right now. So, yeah.
I do have a correction on page four, talking about the concentration easement signage. And you have ninth film. We didn't do a sign there. We did box point.
We don't have line numbers. Yeah. Sorry, Jane.
We don't have an answer. We don't have an answer. We don't have an answer. We don't have an answer.
Okay. Um, anyone else? If everybody else is good, can you get a motion to accept the minutes with the revision to page four?
We make a motion. So we accept the minutes from June 11th, um, with, um, correction on page four. Excellent.
All right. Everyone in favor. Bye. Bye. Bye. All right. Okay. I just have one, one comment. Sure.
I'll, um, the, um, the, um, the bean farm easement, conservation easement there. The house that they're putting up there. It's huge.
Well, at least I think they're off the easement, but it's very impressive. It's huge. Where?
The bean farm. Is that that? The conservation? Oh, oh, the, oh, the, because, yeah, the rabbi's house.
Yeah, the parsonage or whatever, yeah, the, yes. It's huge. It's 6,000 square feet.
Yeah. Yeah. Is it in the easement? No. No. No. It was, I mean, I don't know. Did that, did you guys look at that?
Yeah. That was the one they were talking about swapping. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't, yeah, and, yeah, it never got swapped.
But that went through ZBA and planning board. Oh, wow. And there's very, very strict conditions put on that.
And we had strongly advised the rabbi not to go forward, but because basically it has to revert to an office building or a permitted use if they vacate the building.
I was wondering what was going to happen in that case.
Right. And we just thought it was, you know, a pretty big investment to make, unless they're going to be there for a very long time.
You know, if they're going to be there for years and I guess it makes sense, but, um, and they can't even, it can't even revert to, uh, uh, uh, another religion.
Like a Catholic, if a Catholic church were to buy that place, it couldn't, they couldn't live there because Catholics don't have the same restrictions.
Right. As travel.
That he, he, he, they're not allowed to travel or by car, I think, on certain holy days.
So that's, yeah, but it's, it's, it's a big house.
It looks nice.
Yeah.
It's pretty plain, but it still looks nice.
Yeah.
And then I did want to mention, I forgot, I, I think I sent everybody an email, uh, for, uh, to attend a third meeting this month, which is the 24th.
Um, and that is, is another, Heidi, for, cause you haven't been around in a long time, it's a weird situation.
Uh, this is a project for Sig Sauer.
It's a hundred and, I think you have the plans, I believe.
Did I send you the plans?
If I didn't send you the plans, you'll get them then.
I'll get, I'll get them to you.
It's 180,000 square foot manufacturing facility on Pease in Newington.
Yeah.
So you will look at it and you will recommend or not recommend the approval of it.
They've already been to the ZBA.
Uh, it's a bizarre situation.
They come to the ZBA in Newington for a variance for the Pease Development Authority ordinance.
And they don't grant it, they recommend granting it.
It's bizarre.
So, but they're, they're, they've always been very good to work with.
And if we, I think generally if we ask them to do something, they'll do it.
They don't necessarily need to, but they've been, they've been good.
Yeah.
So.
Is it attached to their current Sig Sauer?
No.
No.
It's across the street.
Across the street.
Yeah.
So you, you may have seen it before.
Not you, Luann.
Jane did.
Um, maybe Laura did.
It, it got approved by, it got recommended five years ago, I think.
A lot.
During COVID, I think.
And then they didn't build it.
I think it was, it had to do with the fuel lines under the site.
They, there was a, I think they wanted Pease to remove them or something.
And they didn't want the liability of them.
So that's been all straightened out.
Now they're going forward.
But since that period, their approval's lapsed.
So they had to come back to the Planning Board, they had to come back to the Planning Board
Conservation Commission and the ZBA for approvals.
Yeah.
I think about three years ago, they were working over there.
I was biking over there a fair amount.
Okay.
And they were working on that section.
Cleaning that up.
Yeah.
With the car lines and that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
Um, so it took some time for them to go.
How many acres are involved?
Is it a big town?
Maybe.
Wow.
It's a, it's a pretty sizable site.
Yeah.
There's a lot of wetland there.
There's a cemeteries.
I mean, it's been a while since I've looked at the plans.
It's, but it's, it's a big, it's a big facility.
Yeah.
Part manufacturing, part office, part, uh, warehouse.
Um, so yes, it's a, it's a big operation.
So I have a question.
And this is just a really off the wall question.
No one may know the answer to that.
But I have a piece right there on our room.
And, um, is there enough land there for a data center?
Who are you asking for?
The President of the United States?
I'm asking what the state of New Hampshire will allow there.
Because obviously they own the land.
Um, well, you know, it's an, it's an interesting question.
And, and, and I've thought about it.
Uh, I've thought about it on the river because I think they can use salt water.
Yeah.
I think.
For cooling.
I don't know if they can use, I don't know if we have enough fresh water for it.
Oh, we have, we're sitting on lots of contaminated water.
Tons of it.
Well.
Yeah, I, well, I just, I, I, I, I, it's a good question.
And I, you know, I saw two, I was out in Oregon two weeks ago, I guess it was.
And I went by two of them.
And they're massive.
I mean, they are just gigantic.
Um, I don't, I mean, I don't, I think they were on 10 acre lots and they were, and they consume a lot of the 10 acres.
So I, I don't know if there's room that pees.
And no, no, they don't generate a ton of jobs.
And they do generate jobs, but.
Yeah, not a ton.
Just for construction.
Well, construction.
And then I think some, you know, maintenance.
And then probably, you know, some, like probably some white collar and then more blue collar.
I, I guess, I don't really, I mean, they're not, the parking lots that I went by weren't huge and they weren't full.
So I don't, I don't know if that's something that the PDA would even entertain.
I don't know.
I mean, the power draw is massive.
We've got power.
Yeah.
We've got power.
We've got water.
We've got sand.
Yeah.
And what's not to love?
I know.
I thought, I mean, I, I know.
I thought somewhere down the river wouldn't be a bad sweat.
But I, I just don't know how to, I mean, we, I've never had an inquiry.
But oddly enough, who was it?
Somebody running for public office.
Yeah.
Was trying to do it in Northwood or Nottingham?
Nottingham.
Nottingham.
Yep.
Yeah, that was recently.
Wasn't that somebody running for public office?
Well, they've been talking about it statewide.
That's a weird spot.
Because they have water.
They, that was, isn't that the same child that sued, uh, uh, the water company?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, Barrington did.
Oh, Barrington?
Barrington was the one that was.
Oh, they sued the water company?
I mean, they were starting to put in and.
I thought it was Northwood.
But I think.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, if anybody hears about it, my house is up to sale.
I can't stand the noise.
Yeah.
This noise is fucking the heck out of me.
Me too, but I can't tell you about it.
Okay.
Um, so I will get you that.
Um.
I have something I was thinking of and then I got distracted.
Uh.
The, the, the, um, SIG meeting is being run by dentists.
It'll be run by dentists and you are first on the agenda.
Okay.
I think I'll, if not, it, it shouldn't take long.
Um, we've seen this project before.
Um, you know, the, oddly enough, all of these companies are, have, are facing the same thing.
Like, Subcom, they have a security fence around this facility enough.
So, you know, you can't drive in there.
Same like, same with Wilcox.
And that's why SIG Sauer needed a variance because, oddly enough, the, the, the Peace Development Authority
ordinance says you can pave, I think it's like 15 feet from the front property line.
But fences have to be 75 feet back.
Well, they need, obviously, I know, they need a fence right on the front property.
So they had to come and get a variance for a fence, which is ridiculous.
But, um, so that's why, that's why they're coming back.
But it shouldn't take a long time.
Again, they do a good job.
So how many people do we need to attend?
Like, four?
It'd be nice to have three or four.
You know, I mean, are you available?
I'm not.
Oh.
Okay.
Um, I mean, it'd be nice to have them full on.
But, so three would be wonderful.
Four would be even better.
I just, you know, worst case, if they can't do it, you know, we could always have them come to the September meeting of the Conservation Commission.
But I just wanted to get, just dispose of it.
So it's at 6 o'clock, right?
I think so, Jamie.
Yeah.
Oh, Plainburg.
Yeah, 6.
I was thinking of the Selectman.
Yeah, Plainburg at 6 o'clock.
Yep.
I was thinking of the Selectman.
Yeah, Plainburg at 6 o'clock.
Yep.
Selectman.
I think that's 5:30, isn't it?
Isn't it?
Selectman at 5:30.
Yeah.
5:30?
Yep.
Okay.
That's 6.
All right.
Anything else from anybody?
No.
Anybody else good?
John, you good?
Mm-hmm.
I had something, but it's escaped me, so yes, I'm good.
Well, let's close out the meeting, and then you'll remember.
Yeah, right.
Uh-oh.
Anyone want to make a motion to adjourn?
Uh-oh.
Yeah.
I think it's a good idea, too.
Yep.
Nobody heard you.
Nobody heard you.
I'll make a motion to adjourn.
I'll second.
All in favor?
Aye.
I adjourn at 7:41?
Yeah.
Yay.
That's it.
Sorry, Darlene.
Yep.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, there was an accident on the highway.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someone went on the exit to go up to the traffic circle, and they are here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they, like, took out, I don't know where.
It's like, and the cops, like, moved over, and the back was closed, and then there were more
cops up by P's, so there went my schedule of things I needed to get done.
move over and my back was closed and then there were more cops
up by P. So there went my
schedule of things I needed to get done.