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the to be for some reason.
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I remember that we found a problem.
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language. All right, six o'clock.
Let's go ahead and we'll start with the meeting.
It's all right for a pledge of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which stands
one nation undergone,
invisible, with liberty and justice for all.
All right, so we have two
public hearings this evening.
Before we get started, though, I just want to say,
I just saw it as I was walking up the door,
the 157th of the aircrews just returned.
I guess there were a whole bunch of people from being gone since February.
You've been deployed overseas.
Welcome home for those guys.
I know what it's like to be there.
Anyways, let's go ahead and start off with the subdivision of the 74 River Road.
He often proposed a subdivide 5.7-acre watt
with the road fundage on River Road and the Shaddaquay.
Subject parcel was located in the industrial,
the only district, his only road.
adjustment, granted a variance 5.13.26 on 13 of May, excuse me, to allow us in the
creation of a 1.11-acre lot where 4.6 acres were required. All right. So they got their
variance. Anybody here to speak on that? Oh, hi John. I didn't see you. Say, Dennis. Good evening. I'm John
Richie and Joe Ritchie. We're the owners of God.
Let me. John. Do you have a plan in front of them or does anybody need one?
You're good. You have yours or do you need to go back one?
I didn't. I'll be able to you. You sure?
Thank you.
Joe Richie, John Ritchie,
was the property owners at 311 and 7.4 River Road.
We're here tonight for a subdivision approval.
We went before the ZBA in May and were unanimously granted a variance for a 1.1-1-acre lot where
200,000 square feet required. So we're here tonight seeking the board's approval
for this subdivision plan. So if there's any questions, are you glad to answer them?
John, can you tell me what the condition? Well, either, John, I don't care. What were the conditions
of the ZBA? There was only, there was only one condition and that is... They had any.
Yeah, no, they had one. And that is, well, originally, I might get this wrong.
originally this lot line
Yeah, but that's not, you should show the...
Okay, you can answer to me, but I don't know, show the rest of the...
No, I'm just trying to find...
So the lot line...
So if you look at the, if you look at the subdivision plan,
the drainage, the color coming underneath Shattuckway
discharges onto the small lot,
and the outlet is also on the small lot.
Originally, so if I could show you this,
originally this.
line right here was twisted a little bit that way. So this, this culvert and this
cover were on two different lots, and the ZBA said, let's put them all on the small lot.
So that makes sense. That's what we did. As long as they wanted, obviously, they weren't
granting a variance for a big lot, so the big lot had to remain 200,000 square feet, which it did.
So now both drain structures are on the small lot, which I think makes sense.
Okay. And then you're just one of the condition at the nine.
previously granted variances that we all agreed have expired.
Yeah, they had by law.
Yeah, right. But that was put in the record as well.
Yes, all right. All right. Anything else you want to say before we start?
That's all I have to say you have.
Anyone have any questions?
John, the only thing I was going to ask is there is a
ever source when they come in and built this lot.
Yep.
They put in a culvert and a way to get out of the lot.
Yep.
That was never granted by a curb cut by the board.
So whatever comes forward for that, it's going to be developed and easy.
There is no developed or approved curb cut.
Correct.
So I just want to make sure we got that.
Thank you.
Officially.
And it should be no problem.
I agree.
Yep.
So with that, I have anyone else having more questions.
Why?
Why what?
Why the subject issue?
Because when I originally bought the property, when it was zoned office,
I had enough for two conformed.
lot to subdivide and when it was rezoned to industrial, that's why I needed the variance.
So it was always to subdivide this lot into two lots.
So we're doing it now with, I just had to go before ZBA because of the change of use.
Okay, so in the public hearing, do we have, is this product, I think I'd go through the process, the formal process.
Is this a substantially complete proposal in front of us?
Yes.
Yes?
Okay, I'll second that.
All right.
say aye aye aye any abstentions all right good so now we're into the formal public hearing
there are any more questions from any of either of the board members if you're not
open up to the general public any questions from the general public no last chance okay
the public hearing is officially over at this point and now we're into deliberations
is there anybody have any questions about any comments you'd like to make at this particular point
Eric.
I can't help myself.
So this, first I've seen it, first I've known of any of this,
I assume that this is not the plan that will be recorded.
So this plan has the topography, it has a lot of information,
lines through text, and it would be very difficult to get recorded at the registry.
So I assume this is, you know, the topographic plan,
but the actual subdivision plan will be more wetlands.
So I'm going to be.
to stock right here, we were into liberation.
Yeah, but I just want...
All right, so that's the case.
I'm going to open it back up again for the right process that we're now into public hearing
again, if you happen to see you want to make something.
I don't know where my role is.
No, no, no, that's right.
No, I just want to follow process.
Yeah.
All right.
So that's all I'm saying is...
So we haven't got a plan then that is recordable at this point.
But that's not our problem.
That's their problem.
Exactly.
Have you seen the staff memorandum?
No, just, John.
Oh, I'm sorry.
There's five conditions that John came up with.
Okay.
The first thing I've seen this.
John, what did you put with the five conditions?
Yeah.
So the first condition, so the first condition,
so I put it in a draft notice of the decision in front of you today.
And I actually just jot it down one more.
One is that we need a certificate of monumentation.
And the plan that you have in front of you shows iron pipes on.
Shattuck and River and I suggested
that they be changed to granite bounds
with magnetic inserts. So that's
one condition. Two is that we need a PDF
for the final plans.
Three, that we need the myelars that are suitable
for recording and the recording
fees.
All fees are paid by the plan.
But it's a standard condition they've already been paid.
John, don't you get a milar for the town?
Oh, no, I'm sorry. Four is that...
What's that? What's that?
Don't you get a milar for the town?
We get two. We get two miles.
One for the town. One for the
Right, thank you.
Four is this approval of expires in two years.
Three is that they have to pay all fees, which they have paid.
And then I added a six one that they have to correct the title of the plan by just deleting the word top of graphic plan.
But to Eric's point, I mean, if they take it to the registry or we take it to the registry, it's not recordable.
I would just suggest that you have your survey or clean it up and just remove it.
Kevin will make it.
They can remove anything that they don't need to have on there.
So what was the six one again, John?
Just to remove, if you look at the top of the title, it says top of graphic plan.
All we wanted to say is subdivision, subdivision plan.
And to remove anything that doesn't need to be on there, because they are finicky at the registry.
They will, they will turn me back every time.
Yeah.
All right.
Question of four.
Do we need that?
Four.
What can expire?
Well, if they don't record it.
I mean, that happens.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, let's just, and Dennis and I was talking about that.
We had a question.
Literally just talking about it.
We'd give them me a report.
approval. They take the planes. Thank you very much.
And I go home. That happens.
I mean, we know it's not going to happen here because I know
they're chomping in a bit to something like this, but it does
happen. So, yeah.
Anyone else? In comments?
Eric, thank you. I was just trying to get the
comments. I had to do it up during the public.
That's all you're on to say. All right.
There being no more comments, and we're now
back into deliberations. Is there
anyone would like to make a motion at this particular
point? I'll make the motion to approve.
With these conditions?
Yep. Thank you very.
And seconder. Thank you, Bob.
Okay. There being the case,
a motion. All in favor say aye.
Aye. Anyone opposed? Any abstentions?
Good.
I'm looking down there. I see you. I'm
closest to me this way.
All right. That's it. Thank you.
You guys want me to cast up there, too? He's got an easel to present.
You're both.
what's that?
Do you want me to cast on the screen?
Everyone would present off the end.
Whatever you think the board is going to be,
what's going to be easy for the board?
I'll let them take it away.
Is that it somewhere?
Choose myself.
All right.
I'll be back.
You guys need it.
I'll have it ready.
You typically prefer to use a little bit of a little bit of it.
I can't see that.
Yeah.
Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
But they had enough in total to get two lost.
It really makes it.
When you really look at it,
because it's a flowing stream in the springtime right through the show,
and it's always, always deep water right there.
That's where they're, regardless of the last night.
That's where the water then.
A pipe on the...
Oh, I know why.
It's just like...
It's just, we're just talking about
does it make sense
to put this line there? It does, because
it's...
A building, isolated
from the rest of the lot.
Right, regardless of the lot.
So what's the state doing to fix it?
Is anybody doing the end of the hour?
That's covered?
Yeah.
That's not the state color.
Oh, an hour.
You're talking about the one on the other side
of the swamp.
Oh, we're still working on that.
Bronson, is that?
That camera's...
Bob, does that camera pick up the screen or not?
No.
No, really.
I mean, you can't see it when you can't make it out.
Just so that anybody that's watching knows,
we have these plans on files here at the town hall,
so if you can't see it from home on video,
then...
Does anybody want a full-size set in front of them?
I also have a bunch of extra 11-by-17s.
We're all over 30.
So none of them is going to read the 17s anymore.
We have some big magnifying glass that stay on the desk
but we just kind of move it around over time.
Okay, so for the record, state your name and who you're representing
and all that kind of stuff.
Our secretary is not here tonight.
She is viewing from home.
All right.
John, do we get the name from the last people over here?
John Ritchie and who else?
John and Joe Ritchie.
What was the second one?
Joe Ritchie.
Joe.
And David Schoe was in the audience.
He didn't say it.
Insane.
That grouping is too annoying.
I'll shut the way.
Shall I ever again?
We're right ahead.
All right.
So, for the record,
Sam F-Wizzy with Mirdy and Land Services.
Sam,
do you please spell your name?
Slowly.
Yes.
There's F-O-I-S-I-E.
Thank you.
You can all spell Sam, so I'll skip you for that.
Tim.
I ran ahead.
Bronson, who's
with North and South construction.
Basically overseeing the active project that's out there today,
and then the design and permanent portion of this product that you had before you.
Just got a curiosity of any of you shareholders in the company or owners of the company?
I'm not.
You're not.
Of North and Salt?
Yes.
You are.
Yes.
Okay.
Bronson, your left is my Bouchard.
Bronson.
I want to make sure that Jane gets it.
And is it made up of seven principles?
Is that what it is?
Yes.
Okay, seven shears, I should say.
All right.
I was just kind of curious.
Thank you.
However, I believe subcom LLC is the owner and the applicant associated with this application.
Great.
Thank you.
There's a couple of permits that we need to get slash amend.
That's why, one of them in which is why I've heard before you today.
That is the site plan slash site plan amend.
of the previous application that you approved back in December.
The other one is a federal permit, which is the general construction permit.
We will be amending that after this approval.
We also are seeking two waivers.
Those waivers you granted before, they are slightly modified based off of the changes to the site plan,
that being from Section 18A for parking spaces and Section 16G for bonding.
Some other permits that were brought up in the third part
in the review by the third party engineer were a conditional use permit for the
widening of the access drive into the site.
That widening would have occurred within the wetland setback, which would have been
additional payment, which through conversations with the reviewer, would require a
additional use permit.
We really do not want to hold up this approval, so we would withdraw that portion of the site
plan that's before you to not need that conditional use permit.
So if we can get to a approval here tonight, we would accept the condition to strike the improvements on sheet SP-3c from the application.
Additionally, the third-party reviewer raised concerns of whether an alteration of terrain permit is required.
However, we are very minimally below the 100,000 square foot threshold for that permit.
However, the site has been designed to accommodate.
to accommodate for an alteration of terrain permit in the future due to any future expansions
will trigger that permit and we, and so the stormwater has been designed in performance with those
permits. Can I go back to SP3C? Yes. I'm on looking at, would you please explain what you're
proposing on not doing? Yep. Yep. Yeah, perfect. So do you see that area shaded in gray there?
We were originally hopeful to include this as part of this site plan amendment
for some extra queuing length for, I believe it's visiting vehicles as they get through the guard gate.
If you see the line, the dash line that's directly below it, that kind of has an art to it,
that is the offset of Hallbrook.
And to have impervious area within that offset, you need to apply.
for a conditional use permit for the driveway. So it's either would have been a variance or a
conditional use permit. The third-party reviewer recommended it it would be a conditional use permit. However,
we really need to receive approval here tonight so that we can keep the construction going on
because it is an ongoing construction site. And with these additions, we'd like to wrap those
up as quick as possible. Can I make a suggestion to you? Sure. I went through these plants.
you're kind of complicated.
I don't take offense to that because I'm filling it in for Doug Brador, so we'll pass it on to them.
I would like to simplify it, really bring it down, and go right to A-09,
which, and tell us what you're going to be doing and why you're doing that.
Which sheet? Which she?
The architecture line, AO-9, architectural. And the reason why I want to do that, I want to familiarize everybody with the board, with what they're doing.
and what you're trying to do, because what I was really thinking about doing before we,
I know you said you want to pull with tonight, I was wanting to do a site plan on your site walk
to see what, see what you're doing out there. So we get familiar. There's a lot of stuff
going on out there. I also want to, I don't know, Sam, if you've been talking to Doug, but
it was brought to our attention that Doug, Doug, Doug, actually pulled back our review of this project
because he said he has to redesign the drainage system. So I'm not even sure that's something we'll have to talk about.
want to accept this application as complete. I'm fine what you're doing because they've submitted
a drainage plan, but it's going to be amended and dug directed error to not review it because
of that. So there's no, this thing is no way, we're not going to get approved. So I think,
I think the reason that that came up is because they were thinking about a future project and changing
the large retention pond, which we advise them, if that's the case, you should probably
do it when you do your future building. Let's not go through the brighameral of permitting some kind of system that will never be used. We have to get our inspections and sign off for the extrusion building and the panachiller. So that's what we recommended to Dove is to keep the drainage plan as shown.
So let's say something else. The problem is that we were given instructions to stop. Yeah, I can't. I can't. I can't. So if that's the case, we can't give an approval.
Understood.
understood. I don't know why Doug would have done that. I mean, Eric, we had the conversation.
Eric and I met with Doug, and that's what the conversation, that was the conversation we had with him before he left.
Interesting.
Yeah, so there's nothing I can do with that. If he told you stop, that's none on you guys, right?
Yeah. I don't know why. And I actually saw your email response and I brought that up to Doug.
And he said, no, that has nothing to do with the chamber system. I said, because if it does, let's bring that down the road.
later, you know, if they do another building. Right now, we're focused on the pan, the chiller,
the parking. The issue is he couldn't even, he didn't even spend any more time on what you were
proposing to do. He didn't just saying we're just going to do justice. Yeah, understood. Is that what I said
accurate? Yeah, absolutely. I, and I didn't really do a deep dive on the overall design because if the
drainage was changing, there was other aspects that would probably be going to change as much.
wall. So I looked at kind of a broad brush on view of the application.
But if these are the plans you guys want us to look at, we're just doing this we were told by it.
Yeah, I recognize that puts it in a weird scenario where this is a very, I don't really like the term fluid, but it kind of is a fluid project where there's an existing approval right now.
They're actively working on the site. There's this amendment to that site plan because
because they've, I think they've had more orders than they've expected.
And that's where the pan building was needed.
And then it was basically said, well, if we're going to do the pan building,
we might as we'd do the chiller building. And if we're going to do those two buildings,
we might as we do the parking lot. And then it gets into, well, how do we future-proof this
and make sure it's ready to go for the future on the next expansion?
And then I think that's where Doug might have had the conversations about pulled off on the full stormwater
design because he wanted to double check to make sure that that portion over there
is not going to impede the future. Well, this is a full plan set and full drainage analysis
that, in my mind, could be approved today. I recognize that the Eric had never got a chance
to approve it, and I think him probably... Well, you don't approve anything.
Well, I'm sure, like most third-party review engineers, you know, I'm sure like most third-party review
engineers, you're valued here in town and your input is aimed on heavily for the technical
side of things. And I'm sure Doug viewed telling you to stop, telling the review on the drainage
to stop was this board trusts Eric to review the technical side of the thing. If he gives
the thumbs up and is conditioned on something like that where I think the last approval even
has something similar to that. At a later date, that's how this could get approved, where it could get
approved where there's a satisfactory letter from the town's third party of review engineer.
And that's basically what Doug thought would happen and his email response. It would just be
an approval with a list, kind of like, you know, a conditional approval to meet these standards.
Like on the last round, we had the cable landscape long. So I think in his mind that's what he was
thinking. Yeah, like, so like I looked at the original condition of approval and if we got to this point
tonight I was going to basically say we can pretty much do all the same conditions
of approval of the first one I'm going to be correct technical issues identified
Altus engineering and the new 18 planning department for final project review
that I just I want to make a comment because this has been a frustration of mine and
when we started talking to Doug about this project and I want to say January we had several
meetings set up that were canceled and I said to Doug we can't go
through what we went through last time. Because the last time it was, there was a gun to my head,
we got to get this approval. We're not going through that again. He said, no problem. We don't
have the pressure on us. Now here we are tonight, the very first meeting and you ask me for
an approval. So it's, it's, you know, I just, you know, you got to do better because this is not,
it can't, it can't, it can't, and we, we, we had extensive conditions to help you out. Sure.
But every, you know, it's every time it's an emergency, you know. Yeah. And I can't, and I can't,
I remember one of the very first projects I got involved with that subcom.
There was an emergency for 140,000 square foot building. We approved it and never got built.
Yeah, so it's hard to share it. So let's get beyond approval tonight. It's not going to happen.
All right. All right. Okay.
Unless someone on the board goes wild and wants to make a motion to do so, but I don't think that's going to happen.
Okay. But we can make it happen. Not tonight, but we can make it happen if you tell us what we need to do, but we're getting mixed messages, I guess, from.
Understood. Well, I'll meet with Doug and make sure.
that doesn't happen again. All right? Well, just that's the best I can do. It's not about, it's
not about not happening again. I think what the thing is, he may have done the right thing for the right reasons.
Yeah. Because you do want to have a master plan of how you want to build out. I know John has been working with you.
Sure. All these additions, last thing you want to do is put up a building that's then in a way of something else you have to do.
No, but the other thing we don't want to do is do like they did, come here and get something permanent that's never.
going to happen. We don't want that either. Right? So that's what I'm trying to explain to them.
Like, I appreciate it, and I want to work effective and efficiency. But I don't want to come here
and waste your time on permitting a chamber system for a Western expansion that may never go. So this is
a large project. What you're proposing and doing. I wouldn't expect it typically to go one meeting
anyways because of the complexity of it. I would expect it to go to. That's typically what we have seen.
That is fair. But we will move everything as fast as we possibly can.
If you have things, we will do that. I think we have shown you that.
Yeah. So let's just try to do that and, you know, be an accommodating town, which I think we are.
we're business friendly. Yeah. And we try to get things done in a friendly and as quick manner as we possibly
can. Sure. So let's go on with what we have and what you know, and show the board what you're
proposing I'm doing. I do have a couple of questions. So I want to talk about it. You can answer in
general. Okay. So it's like, let's show, go ahead and show what the project is, get
a broad overview of what we're talking about. So the product,
would it be helpful for you stand here or can you use your cursors to show? I was going to use
my cursor to come around and show you guys. So the project that we're already permitted for is
called extrusion, which basically comes down this line and comes back down here. Okay?
And Bronson, that building was built on top of. Yeah. On top of me of the factory.
In the middle of winter, it was a complete nightmare.
I'm going to do it. You guys did it. We got it done. So that building's up right now.
Is the equipment operating in it?
No. Not that fast. Okay. We only got the approval in December.
Okay. So that is the building that's already permanent. Now what we're proposing tonight is what they call the Pan edition, which is this L here.
and then the chiller building, which is this weird little box. The pan building below is similar to subcom. It's basically open with a axis walkway and a production level on this level.
Is the paint of those giant bowl things that you put your cable in? Is that with those?
Yeah. Yeah. So the pans, so the tanks are the massive. Some of us have actually got a tour.
Yeah. Yeah. So the tanks are the massive. Yeah. So the tanks are the massive.
tanks that go out 30, 40 feet. That would have been in that expansion that they didn't do.
The pans are the big, huge, um, mobile, mobile cans that they moved. And they got some pretty
heavy equipment. Who hasn't been there? I haven't been inside. Oh, you got your down. When we do a
sidewalk, we think it's possible, we think so. Absolutely. I've seen it. It's really, it's pretty cool. It's
really cool. It's really cool. I really amazed by the guy. I just standing there all day long.
Can you spin one of the other angles? Because one of the things that I notice, but it doesn't really come obvious on the site plan is that inside the loading dock area, the building is actually a cantilevered, and not a lower level.
Do you call when I think it's right here?
A loading dock area? No, is it another one? Or is it where you drive through? Yeah, it's drive through side.
No, right there. Right there.
that corner of the pan building. So the 3D rendering, she missed a column here.
But it's still, it's open beneath. I figured that there was another column. I didn't think
Yeah, yeah, there's a structure. Yeah, there's a structural column. But still, when you look at the site plan,
you think that it's building for two levels there, but it's actually on, it isn't open below in the garage.
What was, I was trying to figure.
out with why you still had overhead doors on the second floor.
Yeah.
Let's take a look at that there after and make sure that's clean up for you. But that's, so this is the
extrusion building. Are you talking about the doors up here? No, he's talking right here. Right
underneath that. You see here? It's like hollow. Yeah, yeah. See the second floor?
He'll use the site in with no support. Yes. You get to that. And when we get to that, it's
highlighted green to show the footprint of the building. But for him, he's saying it's not very clear.
When I saw a green manhole and the vehicle, why? And then parking. So that's what we're trying to
propose tonight is this building, the chiller building addition and the Pan Station addition.
which have both already gone through life safety reviews. And I think we have a pretty complete set.
And the parking, your parking is calculated of the number of new employees that this is going to generate.
Yeah, which I believe it was 14. 14. I think they add.
I think there's 14 for the, the extrusion building and then 14 for the chiller building, or the pan and the chiller building.
Yeah, so the extrusion was already,
permanent. That was part of December. So the two new buildings will have 14 more.
So I wanted to bring this up to show just a big picture where they'll look like. I think it makes a lot of sense because I was trying to make a lot of sense of the first pages and I finally figured it out and I got to all I got to the last page to show the architectural rendering that you're trying to do. Yeah, really good. Yeah. I think they did a good job.
You can see the retention. They did. I mean, I was able to
followed with but they just took some time yeah so John did ask some questions about
employees and the shifts the number of number of employees the shifts and then parking I'm trying
to tie all those things together so I know that you know a lot of space with few
people in them and that's because these pan, I forgot what you call, pan storage facilities
are huge and it's just one of two people in it at any one time probably yeah it's only 14
How was the parking right now?
Oh, it's plenty of parking.
I just want to, well, I just want to make sure there's plenty of parking.
You're running three shifts right now? Yeah.
24-7, right? Okay.
And so there's no problem with parking. Seven days a week.
All right. Well, and again, I know that Bob and
Dennis and I have been there, but the park, you also have a lot of parking. There's lots and hardly have a car in.
Yeah. I mean, this is because people are probably intrinsically lazy. They don't want to walk.
No, that's exactly why.
The Creel building, where they were
going to do the expansion,
like he says, there's barely
any vehicles in it. Everyone tries
to, like, cram into the
spots they can.
And I think that was a big
purpose of why they wanted to try
to get this parking lot done.
It adds more spaces, and
it's more convenient
for everybody.
So in the storm drain, I know if I'll be
talking about it, but it looks like some of the
storm drains go into the building
or suck and originate
in the building and then come out and then
dunk into a wetland.
There was a couple of different
places I saw that.
Am I, is misunderstanding that
or is that,
I know Eric can look at it.
I've got the storm, the question
I have is
hang on.
Well, the part of it is his roofed grain.
This roof dream. That's what
that's the, but there's also in that,
elevated portion, there's a manhole,
clean manhole that's
there's something you drive through, so the building
at the more northern section drives through.
It drives through. Right here?
Yeah. Is that what you're asking?
No, the addition area.
Oh, right here. This. Yes.
Yeah, that's one. Yeah, there's a couple of them
in the building that way.
What are they?
That's that, that's that,
that, um, that
That one's the overhang.
It's the over and we were just talking.
There's a manhole right here.
Yeah, it's pretty in the middle.
So what's the purpose of that drain manhole?
That'd be here.
I would imagine it's basically to capture any runoff that occurs underneath the building.
Like it's coming down and wind blows it into there.
Right, but it's a drain manhole and not a CB.
Well, you have this one right here, which we're talking to that one,
which is under the candle lever, now that I understand that,
We have this one right here.
That's the gutters.
That's a roof tree.
I have no idea what it is.
Right.
But I want to just make sure is that we're not taking what could be potentially contaminated water.
No four drains connecting to the storm water system.
There you go.
I mean, that's, or sewer or something crazy.
You know?
So I just see it, when I see a line like that ending there, I go, well, what is that for?
So that's why I'm going to ask it, if you are going to do something like that,
then.
an oil water separator probably is something like to separate.
Even like if you have trucks driving through in an area,
is there an opportunity for vehicles to be spilling oil and nasty stuff into the floor drain that's going to collect it?
And make sure we're not dumping into a wetland because if DES gets a hold, you're dumping into a wetland,
that you're not going to like the result.
Yeah.
So I just trying to, just the things that I caught, that caught my,
high and I know I looked at it like Eric did, I mean, Eric is probably going to dig into it deeper than I, but that's just the things that just popped out at me when I saw it, I saw it.
Yeah, I mean, if you guys could, if you could label that, you know, roof trades, that would be helpful.
Do you want to respond to Dennis's comment about having a catch basin and a paved area here?
I mean, if someone dumps five gallons of diesel.
Nothing you can do about it.
Yeah, I mean, they have a spill prevention plan.
Yeah.
And the good thing about facility like this is they actually have facilities, full-time facilities, people, to deal with these things.
It's not like, you know.
The ball.
The mall.
Commercial, really.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Well, what about putting in an oil water separating this case?
Is that what it apply?
The catch basins are deep sun kens, catch basins with oil water separators with oil water separatingers.
They'll catch some of it.
But.
Oh, you mean?
into the structure it's typical of what would you require an
incorporation or train program so what else do you have with this project you like to tell us
tonight that we can move it along as much as we can tonight let's make the best use
of it that we can we do have two waivers one of both of the which have been
approved in some form with the last approval like I said the parking waiver which we
kind of touched on a little bit here before, where if you strictly follow the regulations,
you would be required to have 1,325 parking spaces. Currently with the addition, they
would have 907 employees. And then I give in, on the first shift, there's approximately 500
employees, which there's, with this proposal, there'd be 665 parking spaces, which is about 25% more
than what their actual needs are.
So with that, we'd be seeking the waiver for a to welfare reduction in required parking spaces
down to what we have proposed on the plan, which is 665 spaces.
Additionally, like the last time, for Section 16.G for bonding, subcom has been in town for a while.
they're committed to finishing their projects and to bond a project of the scale is costly and
they're committed to getting it done. So we'd like to receive approval for both of those
labors. Again, we can address them tonight or...
You're saying no bonding or reduced? No bonding, similar to the last time for the site improvements.
I believe you've already dropped off a bond for the landscape loan that he required on the last round,
So I've already paid the check.
I think it's something we should talk about.
I mean, we don't care about it.
We're not going to bond the site where they're associated with the building,
but Eric and Dennis, we could all talk about this.
But when you have a significant amount of drainage work that has to be done,
you know, my thought is that, that, I think we want to make sure that's bonded.
The landscaping, you're already going to, you already agree to bond, so that's fine.
You know, if, you know, if, you know,
if you're reluctant to put up the money to bond those side improvements, I mean, I suppose
we can figure out a way to tie it to a CEO or something, but I don't know how much the,
I don't know how much the drainage, what's, I don't know what the scope of the drainage work is,
or if you to be, you know, and that's the, I think with the last, with the last approval, we were
required to do an as bill eventually whenever this project's complete.
and the, like you said, the CO could be held up on a satisfactory approval of the ASBIL.
And if there's an issue with the drainage there, then you have to fix it, re-a-sbuilt it, before you get your CO.
It just puts, it puts, it puts, it puts, it puts, it puts, it was a hard burn with it in that manner,
because you're, often, you are trying to finish at the same time that, you're trying to get a CO,
and that the surveyor has to go out.
after everything's all done and then survey it and so you're sitting there with a complete
building and you can't get a CO because the survey's not done so I've felt that
pressure before so I don't want that that that's not totally yeah I just don't want it
in that manner what we there was a bond with the hotel and I think there was a
condition the approval was either 30 or 60 days
after a CO that the ASBEL was complete, but we had a bond in place.
So I just don't want to see the survey crew scrambling and then I look at it and say,
well, that doesn't look right and then everyone's screaming at me saying, I need a CO.
I guess I can appreciate that.
I mean, this could be, especially because I've been on the other side of that, of get our
service crews out there. And then when you have to inform the client that an
Inver is all messed up, it's not a fun conversation. With that, I guess you could condition
it either way where it's up to them if they're going to hold up their CO because there might be an error
in the site design and then that's obviously on us. Or if they don't want to hold it up because
of the as-built conditions, they could put up a bomb for the stormwater. I don't know if there's a way
that words get that what would the bond be on this if the way the regulations
call out John you know what's a what I don't know what is a percentage I don't know what
is it a is it a hundred percent of the site what's not only a hundred percent
percent so maybe there's a scenario I'm talking about the rest of the project
doctor said excuse me you said the wrong thing I'm thinking landscaping
well that you know what about that's awesome so for the last for the site work what do we
typically put up what's a percent
100 percent so maybe there's a scenario where there's a restoration
bond that won't be released until everything is complete I think we could
find a way to you know what to work we did a bit but so so that we know because the
last thing we want is you as you'd have the thing ready to go we're waiting for
you know a an as bill or
there's a last minute issue we don't want you to be held up so I think we
could find a way to reduce that as you go as the work is done but we have some money
held you know but let's let's decide what we're going to do and I've seen
reduced bonds but I've never seen it totally gone and I think it's not a good
idea to be totally gone and then we do it before the CEO is done we've had a lot
trouble recently even in the past where people come in they want
things done approved because of the conditions that they still have to meet but
they're not around getting it done and they don't and what keeps them moving is that
fine it's the basically at the time when you get the building all built the only
hammer we have at that particular point is other than is to say the CEO and we're
not going to give you the CEO until you done and then all of a sudden wait a minute
we got how many million hundred million dollar facility built
and we can't use it because of us whatever something's wrong with the storm drainage
things happen a lot quicker I guess the attention a lot quicker than when we don't so I
you're not going anywhere there's no doubt my mind you're not but at the same time I think
giving nothing it's not the way to go okay yeah I recognize that I recognize that it's
this discussion is more about making sure that subcom is all set and putting this group
the subcom like it's no good it's not the infant so I think I think the
time was shown and it's both of us have gone both ways we help each other yeah and
that's that's what I'm trying I guess what I'm trying to say is yeah the
requirement for the bond in this case is to support subcom operating their
building before in Asbell basically what's finished completely finished or whatever yeah I don't
I mean Eric you have any I mean I don't know I'm really just to say a percentage
you know I mean I'm happy to say you know go finish the they're gonna do the you're going to do
the sudden the drainage it's a stuff we could we could decide what we want to bond
it's the drainage parking like we already covered landscaping and any any other
side works it's access related that's the scope of the bond I mean all the other utility is
internal yeah I think drainage
in some cases we've we've done restoration bonds like you said mostly
and that's mostly protecting the town right if and that's more for smaller
developers where they come in they want to do this project they make a mess of
it and then they run out of money and they leave and this well can we all agree
that we're going to bond all drainage improvements at any access you know dryways or
or access ways parking in parking yeah the retaining wall is part of the
building so that's right those are the things we want about and and what if you can
quantify the that you know we're certainly we certainly don't want you we don't want
you know we don't want you're not going to open the doors until that until the
drainage until all the drainage improvements are done now that you may
make everything back and said you know it's just not seated properly but you know
that's minor stuff yeah could could could uh
it may be a proportion of that because theoretically we're talking at the end when
everything is built or the majority of everything so bob just mentioned and i think it's appropriate is you
bond for the all the drainage but you can have bond reductions along the way you know as as you're
25% built we come in and say hey we're 25% built we go out and check that here's a problem with that you see a
25% filled but the system only works if it's 100% and it's probably if the first 25%
I said that just hypothetical yeah but I mean don't don't you get stuck on numbers
you don't we go to court well we're fighting in court that's what I don't want to do this is what we do
this they do this quite often is that private they come in and say we're X percent done
they show us their spreadsheet of what they
they're asking it to be reduced we go out and look at it and say yes or no just
like and there's a predetermined report change yeah yeah just like on chip right
just like on all the other projects that we do those inspections so I don't have an
issue with that process but we just got to agree on what you guys have to agree on
what it would determine this reduction so what
only happens is that the applicant their engineer prepares a request to reduce
the bond back up at the beginning they're going to give you a at the beginning
there's an estimate we review the estimate a detailed estimate the spreadsheet
little estimate you look at it and say this looks good or this item looks low
that item looks low or whatever we won't tell you that we think it's something is high by
and then it's agreed upon this is the bond they put the money into
the bond during the construction project when they feel like they've gotten
to a point where they want some money back they'll make a request they'll take
that same estimate and say percent complete mobilization 100% clearing and
growing I understand that but who decides what deduction is so
writing a letter to the board of selectmen because they are the ones who
oversee it recommending the volume reduction the board of selectmen either accepts
what I say or they don't accept the list I don't know Bob where I can give
yes I let's leave that one a way I have and again that with the what the industry
is what the typical retainages but it's not you're not going to give them a dollar or
it up you might hold ten percent back
yeah and and we'll obviously make sure that there is a certain number
left including the contingency and I would say I think it makes most sense
just to you come up with an amount and then it's a proportion of the amount and
I'll throw about 10% because I can't go I can't go down because this really only
matters when you get to the end of the project right so so we can kind of we can kind of
skip this the step of all those reductions to you get to the end and we can
just jump right to the end well that says they don't want to reduce what's that some
people want to reduce it along the way no no no what Sam is saying is if the
bond is three and a thousand dollars he's suggesting they start with 30,000 because
at the end is where the bond really matters because theoretically the project is
95% complete when they're looking for a CEO
and you want to make sure there's enough left over to deal with any issues and
theoretically it's not the entire drainage system it's a catch basin or a manhole
that means to be done that's not the $300,000 to fix it okay I understand but
that that's up to the board if they want to go that route what else you got for
for us tonight we can decide that email I think yes once you submit to John
the items that he was talking about
the the amount of for I think we discussed their parking in great lengths last
time and and we we approved it based on they have large large spaces industrially
you get here you already said the few people in it is very I don't think that's going to be
an interesting see how many spaces are you building with this proposal I think it's
39 that sounds like a correct there are 39 spaces yep that's what I got here
yeah yeah and you're adding 14 employees
yes so you're more than offsetting the expansion where you've been offsetting the
four the other 14 employees associated with the extrusion building as well one thing
we will be looking for what I didn't mention is that conformance with ADA as you add
spaces you need more ADA spaces overall yes I can make a note to look into that
although having been there I don't know how you would be that is a legitimate
it is something that you can't wait it yeah it's outside of our control we might
have to I would imagine Doug did that review but we might have to convert well there
should be I mean I think that you know there's no one's gonna roll a wheelchair from
over by Wilcox in the streets to get here so it might make sense for you to
have you know some over here I think the ADA laws and this is something that I have to
deal with my entire career in the construction and building was if there's never
the general public is never going to be allowed in the area they did a general
use it couldn't possibly be any employees that couldn't possibly be
disabled they have to be able to walk to run the cable around the
storage containers there was something in there about that that said that about
clearly
providing ADA
I know like in the military there was some
they did the same law
it's probably the same thing
but there was some that were exempt
because the general public will never
be there. It's kind of like the flip side
when we do a medical facility
we actually have to put more
more ADA spaces in because
the likelihood of it's going up
it's gone up. They're all there because they're disabled
exactly
the other thing to discuss
is the landscaping
so I don't want to go to
this is your meeting to make
so like some progress
you know what I mean
and then I'd like to set up
if anything else you have
you like to talk about
that now's the time
you do as well
LS 1A and B
I'm sure is it done
it's sheet 17 to 33
yes
put enough
put down this small
I have to take my glasses
all three years
okay
not sorry
no it's no offense
so much on a sheet.
I got it.
It's 17, Bob.
So generally speaking,
it's sub-cons facility.
They're committed to a visually
appealing facility.
And then while most
landscaping standards are
associated with like shopping malls and office spaces
where there's the public attending it,
this isn't very typical.
So the majority of the landscaping is associated
around the office spaces.
screening some other structures like the transformers.
You know, one of the comments was to confirm with Eversource to make sure that they have the access that they need to.
And I'm sure that might mean shifts of landscaping left or right.
That way, when the door swing open, they're not impeding the landscaping.
So there might need to be some tweaks there.
And then, well, there are some areas that may still look suitable for some landscaping when you
look at this plan.
You can also see that there are some temporary snow storage where if you can see adjacent
to the stormwater pond there, and it's temporarily there.
So that they can push snow during a snow event, and then they can relocate it to the more
larger temporary snow storage area that's located, I believe, at the southern side of the site
closer to the front, and then eventually that snow will be trucked off.
There's too much enough, but we believe that this landscape plan does meet the intent of the standards
outlined in Section 15, specifically 15A, with retaining some of the original landscape in
which you can see in the bottom left-hand corner of that stormwater basin, providing screen for service
structures, which is the transformer area, providing visual coverage in large paper.
areas which we try to put some landscaping between the parking lot here and then it is
kind of hard to break up the building facade given that it is it's a pretty large building
you can't see it from you exactly so most landscaping standards are meant for where the
public's going to go and where the public can see it with some being for kind of shaming a parking
less trying to keep cool it down a little bit but in this scenario I don't really see that being
that feasible but we did make our
best attempt to provide some landscaping that took reform to the standards.
And the client wants it to look nice, so they want us to get as many trees as we can in there,
and they want it, they want it to look good for their employees. So our intent is...
Well, if you could, if you could, is to identify, when you're doing, have a plan like,
to identify, like, the way of landscaping is that's going to be new?
Mm-hmm. You can't read it. You can't, the plan's really hard. It doesn't say,
I don't know if it's existing. I'm not familiar with the site, not that familiar with it.
So it would really help me if you could do things that when you come into the board and say, here's a
landscaping plan, and these are all the new stuff, color coding it, whatever you do.
Would you like, so this is more of a tactical plan set.
It is.
Would you prefer a, like a presentation plan that kind of highlights and call things out?
This is okay. It's just to identify maybe. I don't know if you, how you identify, just do it in some way that.
The tree circles, you know, there's just so many lines around here.
But John, it doesn't say if it's new.
Well, there's a plan schedule up here, but you're right.
You're right. You're right.
I just, it just, it just, um, it just helps us go through the process quicker.
Mm-hmm.
All right.
So, yeah, I do have a couple of questions on it.
So on the Pan building, you can do it.
On the west face of the building, there is a second story.
Or a door?
Or something?
You're right here?
Yeah.
Yeah.
A.
Oh nine?
Yeah.
That is a hoist.
Hoist.
So would it be possible to, and that's in the, is that in the pavement or?
I think it's up on the second floor.
No, that's on the second floor.
They use it to hoist.
And, oh, and that's all paved up against.
Bronson, can you go to the, it shows it pretty well.
So I think it's like we're a flat back.
I see.
Actually, I see.
That's all pavement on all sides of that.
That's not the edge of pavement.
Right here.
I'm looking at it.
Your match line.
That's what you're seeing right there.
They use that.
The trolley's out.
They use it to lift the cable up there,
and the torpedoes and trolley back in.
And there's just some on the other side of the building, too.
Yeah.
There's one on extrusion.
Yeah, right here.
Okay.
And it was back here until we built the new building.
It's one here.
unique building and it's pretty cool.
Is there any opportunity to add landscaping on the
left side of the existing parking lot to the, I guess, west of the pond?
So if you go back to LS1A.
Yep, yeah.
So to the left of the existing pavement,
the lower, right in there, yeah.
This is all pre-existing.
pre-existing?
Yes.
Understood.
It's all the same lot.
Gotcha.
So to the left of that pavement, if you did some...
No, you're outside the fence, between the fence and the pavement, right in that area.
Right here?
Yeah.
I think there is trees there already, but I will bring it up to the...
Yeah, if there are trees there, maybe snow storage is the reason why there's not landscaping there,
but if that's not the case, we can...
I'm sure we can put some trees there.
I think that that would be an opportunity to help break up some of the massing.
I think I made a comment.
Sam, I don't know if you got my memo.
I did.
Okay.
You're going to get a complimentary trip to the Conservation Commission to go over your landscaping plan.
Yes.
I can tell you right now, don't bring this plan.
Because they're going to want to see some diversity in, especially in the trees.
So you have, what do you have?
do you have two species two tree species and they're going to want to see more
so just just mix it up and I can't tell you what to what to what to give strong suggestions
no I can't what you have 17 trees and two species just you know maybe three or
four or something like that there's some also I know you got some trees out
there in front of the building which is nice but do you have anything to break up the walls
Some of them are just solid walls with no, nothing in front of it.
Just graphs going right into the building.
I think it's a little difficult to break up the building given the sheer elevation of it.
And then if you put a tree next to it, they're probably the canopy will start to expand into it.
But we're talking about like right down like below that.
Some columnar type trees that grow really narrow.
John, the last big project that conservation approved, I know they had a list.
they had a list of trees that they did the mall well the mall the mall road that
was one I mean they they look at they look at they look at everyone with the top of
we let we passed over them with one recently just it had to get it had to get approved
I don't remember it was but I mean I can I could show you what they you know what they
just salt tolerant native you know stuff that grows around here I guess I could
pull out some landscape plans for you that they would
but the Mall Road to the Juan probably your last one you went to the
Conservation Commission yeah I think this is a little bit more true more than what was
there just because we're probably more plants it's the trees they just like
diversity I think it's always worried that you know a species is going to get
a disease and you're going to wipe them out actually north and south project on River
Road didn't you go the conservation Commission yeah yeah yeah
you don't need to have 10 species but you've got 17 trees and I would just
maybe one or two more just break up break it up that's all because they're going to ask
this here and I guess was there any issues with with lighting compliance
generally it's far enough away from you have point one right the border that's good
the other part is are you shining a light not the lumen is not very bright no but the
speculative the a blinding the shielding of that no when you see it we
sometimes you'd be blinded by a light that's way up from the distance but you can't
read your book but it's blinding to you because it's really dark I forgot the exact way
it's just it's just like having a high D. No this is just blind you based on the
I've heard some people over in Elliot saying wish you could dim those damn lights
over on the other side of the river because it's playing right at us so it's got to be something
that's basically sky.
I know they're all downcast and they're all fully shielded to be like dark sky.
That's the only kind, I did make one comment and I think it's, I don't know where it is, comment.
What kind of the height?
11. You've got 20 foot poles and they're sitting on two foot six concrete basis.
So you think you got to cut down those, I don't know those poles can be cut down,
but we have a 20 foot height, 20 foot mountain height.
Ask for a waiver on that.
Well, I think that's what we're, the mounting height is 20 feet.
You had the pole with,
missed it is 20 feet. You got 25 pole on a 2 foot six concrete base, so this is a year.
I don't want, I mean, I don't really, I don't want to have to mount those flush if they're going to get
hit in that car. The ballads, the ballads are critical because we've had some, we've had some
knock right over onto, in our parking room, in the pocket lot's over at the mall.
So I think, again, I don't know if those poles can be cut down two feet or if you need a
way or as well. Some of those are mounted flush, but if they're near our parking lot,
you have about 2.6 babies.
Yeah, I wouldn't want them out on flush anyways for that.
Well, if you look at them, I think some are, maybe if they're in the grass area,
but I wouldn't want to do it either because you'd want to get the electrical off the ground.
But, again, I just don't know if those poles can be, you probably can't cut them down.
And I don't want to make you go through that agony, you know, unless they make an 18-foot pole.
We can check to see if they do, and then if now we can look in this season, you can cut them down.
or if we have to a waiver, all right.
Well, if you, going for the waiver,
it means you actually have to change your photometric because it's up fire.
Is that 22PET instead of that?
Well, the photometrics should be based on the amount of light right now.
Should be.
It would be pretty easy to find some months that word.
I think one thing in this is board decision is that as far as I know,
the board doesn't have the ability to amend a site plan.
And so I'm not sure how this approval works, what I, my line would say,
that they need to show what they have approved,
and then a new site plan application is just showing what's proposed as a new site plan.
That's what this is.
This is not, there's no amendment.
This is notice.
Well, this is what they keep.
Well, I know, that's what Sam has said.
He says an amendment.
Yeah.
I'm doing this as an entirely new application.
location for the pan and the chiller buildings.
We cannot, we can't amend the site plan.
I mean, we can amend a site plan.
Usually it's by adding an elevator shaft or a doorway, not this.
This is a brand new, and they paid all the fees.
It's been noticed as a site front of view.
I think the title needs to be.
Just change the word.
It's not, you're not amending it.
It's a new one.
Yeah, and I think in Doug's letter, he applied under site plan slash amended.
Like, just because we don't have a privilege in that.
This is, yeah.
Yeah, but it was noticed as a regular rule of that application.
We don't have a provision for a amendment.
I'm looking at the, again, the architectural renderings,
and I have a look at the planting plans,
but I don't see any trees like in the parking lot.
There's like a grass island between.
There are some trees in that, grass island, that is.
Oh, there is, sorry.
I'll probably do some good conservation commission
to show some trees there that you're actually doing that.
I mean, that would actually help it.
It would actually help with your rendering, to be honest with you.
I think, all updating the rendering to show the trees in there.
Sure.
In the same token, they're showing trees around the detention pond in the southwest view,
and they have no trees proposed.
I know that you guys...
Architectural renderers tend to...
The architect and engineer has never, never, never see Idaho.
We buy heads.
I know that town at that whole site with a drone.
You might have some good aerial photos, too.
We definitely have some good aerial photos on the site.
I mean, you know, that might not be a bad thing.
to show us what's there.
Well, John, I thought a site work with...
Well, that's next.
It is an act of construction.
I don't know if that has any
issue for you doing.
Even areas you're going to be adding on?
We can do
sign off. We can see it's a little problem.
I think it'd be beneficial
for the people that haven't been there
and...
Just get an update for what...
Even though it's in there, John.
Well, you...
It's a big...
You don't have any of this.
It's a big sign.
Any other concerns
from anybody at this point?
I have...
Do you have a question?
What is the significant
of the names
for the Pan building
and the Chiller building
so we can understand
why is it named Pan?
Why is it named Chiller?
Oh. All right.
So the Chiller building
is actually made for them
to actually put
chillers in it
to help.
cool their equipment
with chilled water.
And the pan building is built
for them to house their pans
and their cable.
So hence
chilling building,
pan building.
So pans is to store the finished
product? Correct.
Pan is going to be part of their
manufacturing. So they'll come in with the big
pans in those big overhead doors that
you've seen and they'll make their cable
and they'll go down into those
pans and then they'll take the pans and then they'll take the pans and
bring them to another part of the facility.
So it's not like that.
They had guys in these stinking pants walking around a circle for eight hours, putting in a freaking camera on their
fucking cable in their pants. They don't move the pants. It's ridiculous.
The tanks. So there's two different things. You guys are talking about the tanks and what he said is absolutely right.
There's four people that work in 15-minute intervals and they, for 12 hours all day.
Three guys lay down while one guy works for 15 minutes.
next guy goes. It's pretty bizarre, but the pans, the pans are actually mobile. So the pans
go on those big machines and those big, yeah. Yeah, they're probably like this tall and they can
actually stack them. They have a pan building that has like five stack times. That's not a creole
then. What's a creole? A creel is one of the huge tubes that the guys walk in. Those are
stationary. I think it could be cool. All right.
Yeah. So they call them a tank or a creel. And the pans are actually the mobile pants that they move around. But they're still massive and they weigh so much.
How much cable is on one of those reals are? Oh. Well, I don't know.
Bob and I, Dennis, when we were there for the anniversary thing, I think they're laid out for, I mean, hundreds of miles miles, but I think they build those jobs. I think they build those jobs.
because they're going to go from New Jersey to England. They decide how long each segment is. I think they make it as long as they can. So I don't think they're not, they're not cut to a certain length. I think they're custom made for whatever the job they're doing, you know. But they're long, long, long. We were there for their million mile of cable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next question is how tall, on average, is the building? On average,
Yeah. It's, uh, we can't tell. I can't tell them.
Okay, I got that written down.
28 to 72.
72 is the elevation. It starts at 28.
You're at, at road, that's when you're down in the gully. At roadside, you're around 30.
The Pandora is 45, the Chillerville is 36.
Yeah, and grade on Shattuck, I think is around like 30.
So from Shattuck.
to the P here. We're going to check on the height limitations, but we can waver that.
I do know that, but I just want to make sure we address it. Anything that requires a waiver,
I want to make sure this board addresses it. The elevation say that it looks like the top is
elevation 70 and the finish floor is 20. So you were saying Chattuck in that area is 30. So it's
40 feet of 30. I think it's so much.
around there, yeah. I think you're going to be all right. I just want to make sure
that we address it and then we get it. I didn't think you guys have actually.
Well, Doug has a note on the plan here. This is building height is subject to
I'm not sure what I'd say about the industrial area is. Is there? High restrictions for
industry? Payable approval. Yeah, subject to clean. I know that. I know that. I know that. I just
want to know. I want to know. I want to make sure we address it if we have the, don't we have a 45 foot or
something? I don't know he had a limit.
The subject to plan for approval. Okay. All right. I want to know too.
Yeah. I think you're going to be all right, but. So what's the height or maximum height?
70? No, 45.
Elevations 28, the top elevation is 70. The top elevation is 70. So 28 from 70 is
42. Okay. 42.
So anybody have an issue with that at this point?
Hey, that height of structures in these districts are subject to planning for approval.
Do anyone have any issues with the height?
I just want to make sure.
I don't want to go through this and then we can't address it, you know?
Right. All right.
Okay.
What about noise, extra noise, sounds, whatever?
I'm trying to look at the different things to make sure anybody, any or any neighbors that complain, across the river complains.
I think it's operation as usual, so it should be the same.
noise is before right and you're not adding anything well you are adding a
little bit more capability in manufacturing but I don't think it's going to be you're
any body is not going to be tight I mean I can tell you that we get complaints
about nuisance in the industrial area but never I've never you know the time I've been
here it's usually dust on the road odor from other operations but we've never
got her heard about a complaint about subcom just we just we're just checking the blind
you have it yeah that's let's want to make sure there's no surprises
occasionally we get a noise complaint from when they unload the gypter rock and they run
out of a conveyor belt did they make a rattling banging noise but but that's normally in
the summer whenever we've got their windows open and you're unloading the gyps and
shit all right anyone else all right so give us the conservation point
that we talk about let's make sure we get the exact but we're doing for waivers
show us a better tree plan along the parking lot bond them out let's try to get
that eyed out before the next time you come here what we're going to talk with John
we can present it to the board and try to get the what you're going to do the
finish plan whatever you're going to do to Eric and I do I do I do support the idea
of a master plan on what you want to do showing what you want to do and then you're
going to be doing it sexes like you are
I think it's really good you're thinking it out you're not just no what I
do this and then doing that what I don't want to do is like I said before is waste
everyone's valuable time on bringing something here that never knows right so it's
a fine line you know because we have talked about that hey let's let's do a five-year
master plan but what are the chances of those jobs go like I thought I thought 90%
I thought this year was that I thought this was pretty much what you were doing for
the next five do that that's not the case John well I've seen a master plan that
Meridian has actually put together and I'm only I think only I've seen I don't
know if you spend 30 minutes on a master plan I say this is what we're going
doesn't mean it's going to happen but it shows that you can present that to the board
and you go on and we go to process it and you can change and we have to just
check with some time but I just unless it's classified for some reason why
since I came you guys have heartburn on the chillers so I mean I don't want to
bring something here that never goes right I we can but I don't want to make you guys
look at a plan or something that's never going to do just shows in general what
you're trying to do and then if you've started through and that what we're trying to do
is look at what they're trying to build now so right now it's a show you are
building the show you are building a new pan building I think that's what you
called it so that's what
doing that's what we're looking at we've got to get that we've got to get that
we've got to get that moving forward what do you want to start construction yes yesterday
already started you already started no no no don't la la la
I don't say that the other project is still going on so so so so if you want
Eric Altus Engine our town engineer to review these plans then you need to
let them know I have written a three-page memo I would let before we see these
plans back I would like these addressed and I would like
comments and if you and if you and Doug or you Sam want Eric to proceed
and review this drainage plan or the drainage that's proposed here we'll do it
it's fine yeah you know we would have done that in fact that correspondence should
come directly to John anything like that yeah we don't want to get into he's a third
party he's representing the town he doesn't speak for the county yeah
just want to make sure that John here has a lot that corresponds we know so if you want
that you want that you know then just let us know
and that's what we'll do.
So we've got to make sure we show the new better for them because a lot of this is
already permanent and extremely and the plans are just you know the plans are just
you know the plans are just you know woefully out of date you know that it shows it
still shows two locks that the survey is dated so that needs to be I mean just a lot
of stuff needs to be cleaned up but it's it's all simple stuff you know this is not the
plans are great but the survey that is that a date
yeah well the way it's the lot line
lot line's gone they've been merged together at a lot of it's the zoning change this
passed here you have zoning change oh okay just it's not easy stuff this is not
complicated but I mean like I said if you respond to this claim they don't make these
changes make altus's changes we can deal with a bond with I think we'd like to schedule
a sidewalk and then we need the and then the board is going to have to have to
schedule the next meeting but you need to tell us when there's no sense
meeting in two weeks we're not you know Eric's going to need time to review so am I
so I don't know when we can meet again where you'll get ready I've gone until
the 20th month just I'm going on the second week there's a third time you come back to
the 20 yeah I'm gone from the 13 to 17 so I am gone that but that's other than that I'm
yeah so I don't know how
what your meeting schedule is in county or so forgive my ignorance but would one
month be an appropriate time or is that what that conversation was about that that might
screwed that I want two weeks to review it and it needs to be to these guys a week
before my review needs to be a week before their meeting yeah so basically we would
have to get everything back into you in one week you'd need me two weeks for a thing you have
one week before the meeting so the dates that I have available or that I'm
looking just looking at a calendar are July 6 which is our question I think July 20th
would be tight but what I'd like to do is July 27th and I'd like to do it for another
reason because we also have six sour that is to come in for a project I'd kind of like to do
it on the 27th but we could do those are the dates that I have
So if we did the 27th, you could have plans back to us in ample time for Eric to review,
need to review.
And not to, I kind of feel that I'm going to regret asking this question.
We withdrew the driveway expansion.
Is that able to get pulled back into this application here?
Sure.
You have to be a notice.
You just haven't noticed of the condition you used from it, which is why I told
Doug, I would suggest not doing it because I just didn't want to go to the egg
and they had to re-notice any of your time now.
Do you want that driveway, whatever?
John, I didn't notice.
I thought that was included on it.
No.
It was included, but it wasn't included as a condition of use crime.
Correct.
So I'm just, and I'm not saying we'll have to go back and regroup of what's the best, what's important.
I mean, all I'm going to charge you for is the note of the note of
So it's the newspaper and the e-bucked.
A couple hundred bucks.
So do you want it? It's not going to...
It's not going to cost you in there.
So your call, but we have time to do that now.
You get plenty of time.
I'm trying to find the silver lining here to where...
I mean, if we have time, I'd say put it on.
That's not going to hold up the approval.
They want it.
Yeah.
I mean, well, I don't know if the board is going to pick for a date,
but we, I think you have time now.
No, normally we would meet the day you'd need to go on the date.
day you need to go on vacation.
You've got to stop doing it.
What's a motion for him to go on vacation a day later?
We never, no, I just got notice tonight walking into the building,
and I'm going on vacation.
Well, because I was looking at the media schedule.
So I know on your vacation.
That's five weeks out.
Nice.
That's the reason more.
The 13th.
That's one we know we need.
I know, but the 13th wouldn't work for these guys.
It would have a holiday in there and
You wouldn't get a chance.
So the 27th?
Well, we can do the 20th. The problem is that I'll tell you the truth.
I'll tell you what I'm thinking is that the SIGSauer has to get a variance for a fence.
And we can't do the SIGSauer site plan until the Newington ZBA grants a variance to a lot of offense.
It's just per the P's route?
Yes.
rules. The Newington's deviating is a grant appease variance. It's the second time we've got to do this.
And I can't schedule the site plan for six hours until after the variance is granted.
So that's why I would, you know, we can do the 20th, but I think we're going to have, I'd like to have a meeting on the 27th because it's six hour apparently is ready to go.
Again, I'm okay.
Is everyone okay with the 27th?
Chillion nine.
I'm okay.
I've got a
negotiations with the fire union on the 27th from 5 to 7.
I mean, can we do the 20th area? How does that work for you?
Do you don't know how, are you working at this project Sam or is Doug?
In Doug's absence, I'm working on it, so for the next week and a half I'm working on it.
28th it's in?
No, I said it's 20.
I mean, it's going to be tight as far as getting that review done.
I mean, I would have to have it literally have to have it literally.
literally before I leave for the floor, which is one Tuesday?
Is that realistic same?
It's probably tight, so the 27th would be preferred.
I'm sorry?
No, I don't know.
You're missing in time.
But I...
You've got to do that work.
I know.
But, honestly, I would, I would say, push it to,
what would be the next meeting available?
The first, I'd be the 10th of one, is pushing it up.
Yeah, yeah.
It's good indeed.
What's that?
It's great.
I won't be, I will not be here.
Okay, can I answer a stupid question?
Would Wednesday the 26th award?
I'm sorry, the 27th is a, is a,
29.
What, would Wednesday the 29th word?
I'm here.
I will not be here.
I'm not be here.
You're going the week of the 27th most, except for the 27th.
I'm leaving on the 29th.
Okay.
Can you go to the 27th?
What's that?
Bob's going to be gone and Jill's going to be gone.
How, okay, how old 28th, Tuesday?
I don't want to come in on Tuesday.
Does that work?
One dentist, you know?
No, Dennis leaves, I thought you said you leave on the 29th.
John, how much.
Oh.
Do we just go to August?
Go to August.
So.
Why don't we just go for the 20th and we'll improve overtime or something.
I don't get this stuff into the...
Well, you're looking, I mean...
So I would say let's go for the 20th.
If it's not, if I can't get it to Eric, he said what day?
By the first.
Then we'll inform the board that we need to push it out to the next available.
You need to do it an email and we'll continue it.
Right.
I guess, assume that we're going to be able to...
And I'll get Bronson my email contact and I'll do it while I'm going.
Here's the problem, John.
If we go to the 20th and they don't come here in the 20th,
and that's the only thing we're seeing on the 20th,
this board is still going to be in nothing more than just to give a foot off the end of...
So we're going to continue this hearing, unless you want to re-notice it.
I don't think we want to re-notice it.
Well, they are re-notice, man, because...
Well, no, but no, this is right.
He doesn't want to drag the whole plane.
board in here the night of 20th to just a continuing game.
You've done that before.
We have a meeting kids for the 13th, July 13th?
I won't be here.
I mean, we can do it without me, you know.
I have it in my calendar.
That's on that.
It would be a typical planning board meeting, but we don't...
That doesn't work for that.
Is, um, I don't know the inner workings of requirements of the planning boards here,
but we would know if we're going to continue it before the July 13th,
So here's the problem. Right now, you paid, and we noticed all the abutters we put in the newspaper.
So everybody out there on TV land and everybody that cares knows what it's me.
We're going to continue to a date.
If you miss that date, this board has to come in here, physically come in here and continue it.
And it's not a date we do not want to do that.
It's not a date we normally meet on it.
You normally meet on the second and work on Monday.
You're going to get on the month.
Yeah, we just got to get it on.
It's a long for quarantine.
Continue to the month.
John, I'm not so concerned about six, though.
I'm not to tell you the reason why.
Six hours, it was already, they had a project that was all fruit.
I'm all over there.
And we jumped through a bunch to try to, yeah, okay, fine.
We'll get it done.
You'll need, in 20ths a month from now.
We'll get it done.
We'll give you guys time.
But he's got to get it.
You need two weeks.
You guys need a week, so we're going to get this stuff to you in a week.
Try to do the best we can't for you.
Was you drop that date?
That's just you need the stuff.
I don't bring a calendar, but Eric is the most critical one because his,
I need it by really, by the first.
In the summertime, we typically try to go to one meeting a month.
Yeah, people are on vacation.
You know?
Does that work for you then?
I'll get it done.
Call it Doug Beck for vacation.
I was going to say people are probably in your company on vacation that need to do the work.
the troubles. I think we'll be a good point.
Do we, okay, so, is, so the, so, are we going to continue this to July 20th?
It really doesn't seem like a lot of work, especially if we ignore the future expansion portion of it,
and we've submitted a drainage plan already. We can, you can ask Eric, to just review that.
Well, he has some things he wanted.
Both of us need the other stuff to draft.
Yes, but that doesn't seem very, not necessarily.
Not major stuff.
Did everybody get my home?
I got it.
I got it.
You got it today in the mail?
You got it?
Email?
It's all.
You didn't get it?
You didn't get it?
You may have sent them the mail.
That's probably in the mail box for you home.
I was going to buy me out.
10 minutes.
I was going to say the leap.
I don't have what you.
He's right there.
I know he gave it to me for now.
So are you scheduling a sightwalk?
And you're going to tell them when they're con-com?
Well, let's, let's...
Yeah, I mean, that...
So, well, if we're...
Are we doing it in July 20th?
That's confirmed, right?
I'll go to July 20th.
Okay.
So we'll continue the hearing.
So if somebody's making them make a question.
motion to that effect.
John, can I ask you a question.
Yes.
Does a lot permit you to do a snow date when you continue in hearing like a snow date?
If we can't make the 20 minutes going to be on a 23rd.
Oh, no, no, because anybody watching this remotely wants, has to know what date it is.
So it's July 20th.
No, I didn't think it is.
They're committed.
They're going to do it.
They're going to do it.
So let's continue the hearing to July 20th.
That's like a motion to do so.
How many, we can do it?
to July 20th.
Okay.
Second?
Any discussion?
All in favor, say aye.
Aye.
Any opposed?
Here we go.
July 20th.
Now, what about a site walk?
Do you need to talk to subcom first, or can you...
I just need to know who you want to invite.
You can send me a simple email.
It'll be all members of the Planning Board, and I may even open it up to the Conservation Commission.
I doubt they'll come, but...
Yeah, I just got to put you guys on the list, let security know we're coming, when we're coming,
so...
Does that need to be determined?
interview them?
No.
No, but I want to do it right here and now.
Not me with John.
If my name John, give them some dates and we'll see what we'll get for those days.
It's available whenever you guys are.
I just need the days.
Well, what hours that we do?
What's best we do?
So, that's probably hard, isn't it?
It would be better for us to do with their normal work.
But if you can't, we can make arrangements.
What time work for you guys?
Jill, no, seriously.
I mean, I get out of working four.
So.
Did we get at 5 o'clock?
Yeah.
4.30.
Is that work for you guys?
No, I could do 4.30.
Okay.
Does that work for everybody else?
What day?
Five o'clock better for you?
What days works better than you guys?
It depends on the day.
Four days.
Can we do it during the next week?
Any day that ended in a Y for me.
We can do it next Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday.
Whatever those dates are.
25th?
Oh, wait, this coming to...
Oh, wait, Bob.
What about your...
25th is good for me.
Is that Monday?
No, it's Thursday.
That's Thursday.
That's this Thursday.
It's just Thursday.
I can't do that.
You can't?
I can't do Wednesday.
You can't do Wednesday.
You're telling me when you take a vacation.
Now you tell me...
Well, I have dinner plans with a friend.
Oh, is that?
What's the name works for you, John?
Next Monday, Wednesday, or Thursday.
I'm just shut down.
I can't do.
One day, the only day that works...
I can't do one day.
I can't do one day.
I can't do one day, but just go ahead and do it.
I've been there two times.
I don't even go in there.
Well, what about Wednesday or Thursday?
They take off.
July 1st?
No, well, we can still go.
I can do Wednesday.
I can't get for two. I've been there before, so.
If everyone wants July 1st, we'll go ahead.
July 2nd.
July 2nd.
July 2nd?
I think the show.
You can do the first on a second.
Let's do the first.
Let's try for the first.
Oh, wait.
They shut down the 27.
They shut down the week.
Let's do it.
If I leave at 515 this week, I'd be okay.
What about Thursday this week?
Is that okay?
Thursday this week, 4.
Yeah.
4.30?
I thought you would.
I thought you would.
Oh, I thought you were the boss.
I'm talking with Dilber now.
I don't know.
Bob is this Thursday work for you at 4.30?
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's try Thursday at 430.
See if you can do that?
Thursday.
Thursday at 4.30.
Ah, I'll have to check.
All right.
If we can't do 5 o'clock in a minute,
we can do 5.
I'll send an email off to the board tonight,
letting the rest of the board is in here.
And where are we meeting,
Bronson?
Can we meet here?
Yes.
No, over this, I mean, not here, but not the security.
Can we meet near here?
Near the site.
How about we get the main gate?
We go in.
Okay.
Is that?
Is that where you want to go?
Yeah.
And the main gate?
Sure.
Let's make sure we get the word out to everybody, John.
Until you hung on any, we get along.
John will set up on forward right now, John.
Until we get the rest of them.
You're going on in the calendar
for Thursday, at 4.30.
And then we'll show.
confirm.
I'm just going to put it in the calendar so we're going to forget.
Well, we're going to weather without or go out.
Then.
I want to make sure you in there.
How did you shirt?
What's the age for?
Twi-thet?
You're going to try to do this in a Wichita.
It's got a.
That's the problem.
Oh, does anybody have a weather at?
I do it for you know.
What's the exact weather ready?
Oh.
Sunshine.
Is it?
80 degrees and something?
Perfect.
Nice.
Get you guys all on the list.
Just go to the planning.
Go to the town's website.
Bronson.
Yep.
And every board member is listed there.
Yeah.
Okay.
That was good.
Did you put a message?
Oh, thank you.
Do you have to worry about the public showing up to it, though,
and then get them on the list to go all this one?
No.
All right.
Yes.
Okay.
The planning board.
I'll get it.
I'm just saying it's a public reason.
All right.
All right.
That's it.
All right.
That's it.
So we continue to the point in?
You'll be in a motion.
voted over there.
And Sam, you will be at the sidewalk.
I'll be at the sidewalk.
It would be helpful if you had just
an overall site plan.
And start working.
Right.
If you can't do it, let us know.
So we can try to make a comment on
I will get it done.
I will get it done.
Thank you very much.
I really do wish you could approve it tonight.
That's all right.
I understand.
We'll hold you to the back on that.
I didn't say we approve it next time.
No, I meant the next project there's more approval.
Oh, okay.
That's what we'll vote.
Thank you guys.
Thanks very much. We'll see you.
It's 4.30.
You got it.
You got it.
Thank you.
Great.
We've got more going on them?
Yeah, we'll do.
We just take a two-minute break
and then we've got to give them to something.
You need me?
No.
You're going to shut the camera on.
Do we, do we...
Oh, we'll wait till we get back.
Maybe something.
Do we go to none?
Okay.
We're going to be going to go to one.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay, because you couldn't.
Oh, the scary.
Yeah.
If you couldn't get to an airport,
security change,
I don't.
I don't take my word on the teacher.
You know what?
I do.
I have a range bag.
They can go see
because
and I only
got to control for you
like
The box had a light in it.
What?
The box had a light in it.
With two wires.
So, like, what's in your
bad one?
I have no idea.
You're like, what's this?
What's here?
What's inside?
What's inside?
A world is in the brain?
What's going on?
I don't.
You'd like take that one?
From Tamp.
Oh.
No.
I was like to thank you guys.
Good night.
Good night.
I have a good look.
I have to travel for the Lanesh.
I'm like, I'm like, you can get stopped with the advance screen.
And I'm like, do you know, you've done with no fly list?
Tennessee.
I have, I have.
That's what they do, because they have your phone and so forth.
I'm like, I'm like, I have somebody.
And then finally, I'm like, I'm like.
where each one of them is all traveling.
And then the airport, you know, frequent water takes on them
and the game if you have, especially.
Good night.
Good night.
You know?
Don't get wet for all you clock.
You're not going to have a bed at the drive for me.
I don't know.
You can't even see the pencil.
No.
Do you see that test for the one that for the pool today?
No, I'm going to do.
Do I confuse?
That was like a country club.
And he said he steps on the brake and steps in the gas
and a rural fence in the car one of the way.
I don't want to do it last year.
My question is, when you put an electric vehicle in a pool like that,
because the light guard immediately jumped in to save the guy out of the car
when I first thought would have been,
that's been.
I'm not jumping in the pool.
Yeah?
Oh, then you can't.
Right?
I don't know. Is it?
Is it?
Your question.
I guess that's an engineering question for the people that work on in the electric car.
I mean, it works in the rain, right?
Well, you know what?
I'm at Fiji, the fire ship, because he'll know.
Because if one of those ever put off the road into a body of water,
did that go into a body of water?
No.
can get the lightguard.
I immediately jumped either.
Well, he was okay though, right?
I mean, the driver would, I think the airbag tomorrow
and everything could be hit the water.
But the lifeguard that jumped in?
Yeah.
That's right.
Tomorrow, about noon.
Are you kidding?
Yep.
Nice in my morning.
It's awesome.
No, they get to send to the 50.
About noon, the rain will stop.
stop.
Yeah, we need it.
Yeah.
We do.
I was kidding.
We're just planning.
I'm already.
Yeah.
Yes.
Have you spoken to your
place in the dockmaster job?
No, I haven't.
I would like, I've met Roger two or three times, but I haven't talked
to him.
You retired?
I have retired.
You had to hang it up.
Yeah.
All done, huh?
Yeah, all done.
I can't get around sufficiently.
I've sold the boat.
You did it? No more boat?
No more boat.
After 70 years.
Wow.
I'll go for 70 years.
No.
This is my 5th and 6th generation book.
Wow.
They didn't have to break your heart, isn't it?
Yeah?
Who'd you sell it to? Anybody you know?
No.
Oh, good.
I've been in that situation.
It's almost better to sell it and not ever see it again.
No.
Yeah, and hopefully somebody will take care of it.
This is a good boat?
Yeah.
That was good.
Yeah.
What a book.
You would?
That was up the house.
You come see it every day.
Yeah, right?
Yeah, right the park.
Yeah.
Did your giant pocket lot?
Yeah.
Does Ted's family still have his boat?
I don't know.
That's family still had his boat?
I don't know.
That's something.
But his son, I think, had plans to move in for the house.
That's why they...
Yeah.
The A1.
The son and...
I think the son had $6,000.
A lot.
Yeah.
I think four of them are in college or out of college
and two of them are still younger.
Which section?
3.3?
P.
Peter should know.
They moved in.
They moved in.
No.
They have any issue.
He has nothing to do with him.
He has something to do with him.
He has retired.
Well, he is retail.
Yeah.
He's like, who is my agenda?
I'm not sure what he's working,
retired to the Kochka,
or he's working on the other people.
Supposed he is working.
What you mail to me is what I use.
So they in.
I understand it.
I understand it.
Right?
Yes.
You got that.
You got to do the minutes first.
What's the final determination on the Air Force and the water line?
I'm going to speak to Chris King.
I don't know.
What do you want passed?
Well, I resolved
my flight plan that Connors on the road
to make it.
This mail is still available.
That solved some of the problem.
the problem but
Oh, you go.
The Air Force seems to gone quite.
Yeah, we got home.
Joe and you get home.
Right?
Yeah.
They're in football.
He was a police market.
He's been one of the poet.
What?
I have public one.
The comments that have
well,
they change the limits.
I don't know what to me.
accessible to the well and that allowed the owners to
replace the capital demands.
When I talked to the Corps,
to the Air Force, they were talking about
a point of entry treatment system
versus a new waterline.
So I don't know where that is.
I've taught to live
and she seems to think they're still going to do a waterline.
But she seems to think they're still going to do a waterline.
haven't come to the location.
Well, I'll call it is to find out.
Yeah.
But.
All right, we need to get going here.
Yep.
All right.
We want to go on the world.
We'll do that.
I know.
Yeah.
We're going to review the draft minutes
for May 28.
Recommend we approve the minutes of May 28.
Second.
Okay.
Any
any comments is
They're relatively short.
I'm just blanking over this real quick.
I'm leaving three seconds.
For some reason I did have amendments.
Okay.
So any comments?
Okay.
There being none.
All in favor of the minutes, say aye.
Aye.
Any one opposed?
Any of the abstentions?
All right, good.
We've got that.
Next thing we have is going to be going to be
to a non-public meeting this.
According to RSA, 91-8333.
First, all we're going to do is go into,
you have to end the meeting, right, correct?
Oh, we have to come out.
You're going to have a roll call,
vote to go to non-public,
and I would also tell the public we're not going to reconvene.
So this is it.
So you can adjourn the meeting and then go into non-public
or however you want to do it.
We're not going to come back.
I thought you had to come back into a meeting.
Oh, you don't?
You don't?
Okay?
I can't, because I can't turn on the camera about them.
Okay.
All right.
So we're going to go on.
You can just inform the public, like John said, that we're going into non-public and we will not reconvene to adjourn during our meeting.
That's fine with me.
As you just said, that's fine with me.
As long as it's legal.
I always thought we had to come back out into a public meeting.
All right.
All right.
Is that being the case, then we're going to be adjourning to meet at this particular point?
That's correct?
Yeah, we'll be adjourned.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
I do this like once every 10 years.
Yeah.
roll call vote to go into non-vob. So you're just going to say, Jill, yes, Bob, yes.
He made the motion, he made the second.
Jill, yes, Jill?
Yes.
Peter?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
She is yes.
All right.
We're going into non-public.
He said it was for, again, 91A33.
Good.
Thank you.
With gardens, getting much.