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And as soon as we come out of non-public, we're going to do this quicky hearing to bless the building inspection.
The new fee schedule.
The building permit and fire department fee schedule.
And I read Janice's email again.
We've already had the vote, but we needed to clarify, we have to vote to accept.
I think that was your request, permit.
That's what Janice put in an email.
So we'll open the hearing.
If there's no comment, we'll just make a motion and vote to accept the changes and be done with it.
And we can get right into our regular meeting.
because we've got a long agenda again.
But at least we can get one.
So we're going to have an public hearing.
Sort of my thing is.
Perfectly to the agenda.
First item under new business is discussion with library
trustee.
Oh, I'm sorry, the public hearing.
I skipped right over that.
Okay.
Right.
So we have to have a public hearing on building permit fees.
So I made a motion to change the building permit fees to a calculated percentage
for building permits that can be issued on a square foot basis
and transfer the main responsibility for gas permits.
to the building inspector and authorize the town administrator to work with the building inspector, Mr. Bob Garcide, to come up with appropriate unanimacy.
That was on April 6th.
The planning board held a public hearing on May 6th where a motion was made to, quote, recommend to the select board to the schedule a building.
And adopted by the select board and the planning board by saying hi.
At this point, then we formally approved.
May and second it. Is there any further discussion?
Well, you certainly have on the agenda because we had discussed it informally at previous select board.
meeting. And Ron was kind enough to take a copy of the legal counsel's opinion,
along with the documentation that was provided by Mr. Torrey, and I earned Mr. Torrey's here as well,
about the composition of the Board of Trustees for the Walton Gregg-Free Library.
That's probably the wrong terminology, but the Great Free Library of Wilton, New Hampshire.
So basically, it had been brought to the Sleckman's attention that based on previous
of the original agreements that the select board should have a person specifically the chairman
sit as a trustee on the board of trustees.
And so the select board asked the council of the town to review that,
and the council came back with a typical legal opinion,
but it seemed in general that they were an agreement with that.
And that was the copy that we provided to you and that you could share with the board,
and I was glad to see the trustee's...
shall elect a suit of the board of selectmen for...
If the 2017 Wilton has elected a seventh trustee in accordance with the requirements of RSA 202-A-7-6,
so that's the additional person that was added.
I'm only going off of what the legal counsel came back with it.
So with due respect to your interpretation of the will,
ongoing on what attorney for the town is provided to us.
So the sides here,
or be responsive to a resident's issues.
Seriously consider taking counsel's opinion.
Again, I'm only, and you have a copy of the left, right?
I provide you guys a copy of what I'm not, if there's some part of it that I misinterpreted or I'm misstating,
I want you to bring it to my attention.
I only attorney provides...
Section 202A6 does not say it...
The Board of Trustees continue to operate under legacy status.
Board of Trustees operates as a lawful prior non-conforming...
provision. My opinions, the board hasn't created one opinion.
Changing the composition of the board puts up in noncompliance with the terms of the trust,
and the D shall become void and title reverts to David Gregg's heirs if we don't
confirm, we don't comply with the terms of the trust.
probate court has authority over trusts.
The select board, the board of trustees can't unilaterally change the terms of a will or a trust.
There are also other provisions in the deed that are at odds with Section RSA 202.
For example, 202A10 says vacancies to be filled.
by the select board, but the trust says vacancies are filled by the other trustees,
the board, the other board of trustees.
202A6 also sets up election of board members in three-year terms.
The trust says trustees are appointed by board members, and the trustee does not put term
trustee membership.
Right, Ron?
Right.
Disagree. I think the deed does not require the chair of the select board to be a trustee.
I can only go off the legal counsel's opinion.
I'm not a legal. I'm not a lawyer.
So I can't ascertain or I can't disagree or agree with what your statements are.
I can only go off of what the legal counsel was provided.
I'm doing all the talking here.
So if you guys want to chime in, you've got the same legal opinion than I got.
So, so, so,
1963 is when that particular requirement for having the elected, the town has,
and that's the seven.
It was off by a year.
Pretty close.
I don't there's any disagreement that that that position should exist in the seventh trustee.
I don't think anybody's trying to change that position.
I think what the lawyer's recommendation was and based off of what his interpretation of the original
requirements was that the sixth member of the.
regional six trustees was the chairman of the board or the select board or some
designation designated person by that chairman can I suggest yes sir
Arlene's done all this research sure that you share her research with the town
attorney absolutely and I mean current you've been to our meetings we're all
volunteers sure we're all getting rich working in the library so I mean any of the
selectmen are always welcome to attend our meetings they're they're held every month
and there's a public notice always certain right I think the difference between attending
Michelangelo and being a member is a vote we no vote from the select board we understand
but I think in all the years that the trustees have trust and to be shared with the
attorney and see if he changes his view absolutely I think you guys have a problem with
doing that I would absolutely agree because I'm not sure
that he had a copy of the whip that I David Gregg in Hampshire in
consideration of one dollar to be paid at the time of Wilton this receipt which I
hereby acknowledge and also in consideration of the great interest and woke
proprietary set down and granted in by his presence
you grant the building money that you like to speak yes so if you meet the conditions
of the 1907 you have six trustees five who elect themselves and one who was
elected by the select board when they choose a selectman
Since that time, because this is a public library, the state of New Hampshire
has an RSA that says you must have a three-year elected trustee.
The trustee is usually for one year because a select board picks a new...
So that three-year, seventh three-year elected trustee is not the same as the chairman of the select board.
So we have seven elected trustees that they're elected three different ways.
one's elected by the people in an election every three years.
One's elected each year by the select board.
And the other five are elected by the members of the trustees as needed.
But Arlene, I think, correct if I'm wrong, but it seems like you, what you read was that Greg's deed for the building was,
and said specifically that the trustees, that the, that the, that the, that, you read's, that Greg's,
if the chair would be a trustee, but if the chair chose not to do it, then it would be an elected.
The board of selectmen for the time being, or some citizen of the town who has been legally elected.
To fill that position.
So there's an or there. It's not, and I want to do anything that's in violation of the deed.
Because we all understand the consequences, which is if you violate the,
the deed or the warrant to the trust, then if the property reverts back to the heirs of the Greg family.
Right.
Nobody wants that to happen.
It would be good to get that documentation to our council that happened.
I'm certainly open to that.
I had sort of two follow-up pieces.
One of those, for you, Arlene, you've mentioned that this was your opinion and not sort of a shared opinion within the board.
Are there dissenting opinions within the board, or is this just you sort of putting yourself
Okay, I just wanted to understand if there were other opinions that we should hear.
That's the sense that I get, and I think, hopefully I'm paraphrasing this correctly,
but it sounds to me as though the primary concern is ensuring that whatever course of action
has followed here, that it doesn't somehow inadvertently allow everything to unravel where the library
then goes back, and I suspect that, and I don't want to speak for you, Mr. Corey, but I suspect that
that's the same reason you brought this for it as well, correct?
So there's a, the concern is really shared, I think, between all parties in that we want to be sure that,
right, that, you know, that nothing is being done that would undermine.
Right.
That the ability for the town to retain control.
And seriously, as you take being careful about this, sort of we, because obviously when a resident brings it to our attention and we submitted to council,
and council tells us, yeah, this is what it should be.
And there is a historical precedent.
Select board representatives.
were members of the trustees for decades, all through the 20s, 30s, and 40s.
It's documented in the time of reports.
So whether it's considered to be the, so anybody wants to go back and look at that and say,
well, this is the way you used to do it, and when did you change it so that wasn't the thing?
There's no documentation that it was ever actually changed to eliminate that select board representative.
I think what happened is just over time, people said, yeah, I've got enough to do.
You guys handle it.
Some select board back in the 40s or 50s said, yeah, I'm too busy to do with that.
this. You guys have it under control, but that's not a good enough reason for us to just dismiss a thing.
He's come to a number of our meetings. We know he's only trying to do the wrong thing.
Yeah. So I can't speak for the whole select board here, but I would say that I'm certainly in favor of, as well.
So I think if everybody believes, Mr. Chairman, that sending more information over it to the town council is a good idea.
I'm certainly in favor.
And you're in favor.
I would agree.
And I think it's important.
To this would be that we try to sort of get it all done at once if we can.
So, you know, I think what I avoid is for us to continue going back to counsel and saying, oh, there's one other thing, you know.
Send us off and then we'll see what they come back with.
I guess my follow up to that is, is there anything else that we want to include council and say, look, other pieces?
So thank you very much for the staff members and Selectman Schultz, who showed up.
to the pre-con meeting at the, that occurred last week.
So we basically went from top to the bottom about like the perspective schedule that isn't finalized yet,
but tentatively they're talking about starting and items that still is outstanding related to this that we need to.
Neil H. Daniels is proposing an adjustment to this. This is actually going to make things cheaper.
It's basically adjusting the materials of how the, how the span is going to be constructed.
And it's going to, if we go with their recommendation, which it seems like it's still going to look similar to what the stagecoach road bridge looks like.
It's just going to be a different construction and materials are going to be a little cheaper and they're going to be more available.
And the 100-year lifespan of the projected lifespan of the bridge is anticipated not to be affected.
So it is believed that the change is just going to be purely aesthetic.
So the engineering firms, the construction company, and the state of New Hampshire DOT all participatory.
design, and it's still going to sheet a stone. I couldn't quite figure out. I guess I misunderstood. I was thinking
they put in, I didn't ask too many questions.
I was an important thing to know is that road, that bridge will be closed. So access to, you know, the Kimball Physics campus or going through,
you won't no longer be able to take the detour between some concerns from some residents who work on campus.
Folks last, they were less worried after the upgrades that had been done on that southern, southerly path.
So I think there's less concerns on that. But I will.
reach now that we, we're still waiting for a little bit more information on timeline,
but I'm going to start reaching out to them and just kind of like say, this is probably more specific on you.
Yeah, at one point there was discussion around the idea of, it took several months to kind of like get it all together
and at the level that we believe that the state is going to know the not.
We submitted our first reimbursement request in line with what we're at construction phase or start
engineering study phase. The first tranche that we're asking for is going to be about $230,000.
So that's hopefully.
As part of that, you can also get, and I don't know if they did this ahead of time with Stagecoach Road a couple years ago,
but you actually can apply for 40% of what your construction costs are basically to assist the 40% is going to be 40.
Road, which makes CAF flow issues a lot easier.
We still have to request the reimbursement like it makes things a loop.
So if you guys are in agreement that this change order is acceptable, then I'll entertain a motion to...
Sure.
order the precast arch head walls and wing walls during further discussion
if you ever signify by saying I
is basically an alternate disposal site for a sign out of the end of the street which
I noticed over the weekend saying no septic so people are going to Merrimack which
may have been why Merrimack remembered that they had one of these agreements with
Wilton which was the first I'd ever seen about I don't remember this ever coming up
on the sewer. Yeah we talked about did we I know that Joanne and Chris are here
from the sewer commission you guys want to come
I made sure to forward it to everybody and I send it to you as well.
Even though you were copied as a selectman, I want to make sure you're sorry.
There's a sewer commissioner also.
With that being said, they still take over 50,000 gallons of waste out of Wilton
every year.
Milford is the primary.
The important thing right now is that you guys sign that with Merrimack.
We should always have a backup plan.
Yeah, yeah.
But right now, Milford is that.
it is in construction phase down there with the new upgrades and they cannot take any.
And I spoke with noted this morning and the biggest thing is that even in like high flow months
that we're sending them, sometimes they can't, they can't take the trucks from disposal
because it's just just Wilton and Milford, that's all they can't. That's all they can't hand
that's coming through the pipes. So they defer those trucks to Merrimack.
So even when they're not shut down, they're sending people in Merrimack?
Even, yep. So if we have like, you know, early April, May,
high flow rates through our pipes, sometimes it's hard for them to handle what's coming
out. And the septage haulers pay that. They pay for the actual. They do. So it's at no cost to
the town of Wilton to sign. So the biggest thing is, is that, you know, we do sign.
So if anything does, if anything goes wrong in Milford, the people of Wilton have another place
to ship it. So, and it's only about two different contractors that bring it to Merrimack. The rest of it
pretty much goes to Milford. A lot of the stuff from other contractors are going to Jaffrey now.
So can they take all the stuff?
to Jeffrey? So Milf had made an agreement with Jeffrey, okay, to take it.
Just why they go through the construction field. Yeah. Because otherwise we'd have to sign it.
Merrimack only has, I believe he told me it's Mar Vernon. All those towns don't go to Merritt.
It's up to you guys. What if you think you should sign them? Yeah. I am, but I think it's
coming since that was. Well, they sent over an agreement and it looks
like it's actually the copy of the original agreement, but then they said it could be renewed by
a request to the town manager, so then your recommendation would be as sewer commissioners to have
the town request this, right? No, I think we should definitely renew.
Okay. Good city. It's up to U3. Yeah, it's up to U3 to handle that. That's why the agreement is
over. We're on septic. We're paying for it. We pay our hauler and price. The tires. There's other
stations in the southern part of the state that they... It sounds like they're going to, so, um,
First part is just a brief update from the TAC committee. It's the transportation, the regional
technical advisory committee? Yes, the regional technical. Or N.RPC.
So, and that's, uh, isn't really well known probably around by a lot of people, but that's a major mechanism
for building the state's 10-year plan and its interstate connections as far as the internal, so major state
roads and transportation projects, all at some level and other.
People side opinions. Because we all benefit for this stuff. Yeah.
But it's been a while now, but several years ago, I think, 2020, I submitted at the, working with the select board on various things, I submitted a bunch of projects that we've identified as part for the next cycle of the 10-year thing.
Like the sidewalks and 31.
Yes, the couple of turning lane projects, and we had mixed results. We actually had really, wow, the projects got completely adopted by the state.
The one-on-one, right.
actually scored extremely well.
Unfortunately, as we all know at the last year,
we kind of learned that the state has had to tighten its belt a lot of things.
So basically the entire round of last cycle of the T-Can, like, cyclical projects,
projects went forward some representations on them.
I think that'll be a good process to engage in, no matter what it is,
because that's a massive, it's a lot of money left on the table,
and taxpayers aren't getting the money on this because otherwise, you know,
bigger families with, well,
more than happy to suck them up for...
You know, the good thing about the turning lane project.
I waited at one or one.
I'm very hopeful at some point in another.
So the next item is, in keeping with the fact that we now have an open lane use administrative position,
I've talked about it extensively with the leadership of the planning and zoning boards regarding, you know,
what we can do with the interim, and obviously I'll be off on board to provide as much labor myself
to kind of assist with things, but they've, similar to what they did when Michelle left.
during the transition period that happened for several months.
They thought to reach out to NRP and ask for a support contract.
NNRPC sounds like they're more than really incapable of helping us out related to that.
I've talked a little bit with Nick Pritzapato with a person.
I'm not too worried because we face the same situation for, you know, four months when Michelle left, actually.
Obviously, some of the bureaucracy with the playing board has also grown,
so obviously staying on top of that one way is going to be important.
So I have the contract in front of me.
It's the same version except for some minor updates from NRPC.
And you guys, as the select board, have to sign on it versus the planning board
because just how the relationship between NRPC and the municipal board.
So I have it on RPC.
Basically, how we talked about intercom.
When Michelle was in the interim, is that there were some office hours on a particular day each week.
And they would basically function as a call-up service.
Well, that's what we're doing with the building inspector.
I mean, he has certain office.
Yep, that's obviously the rate is obviously like a project rate.
Right.
Is, are we just, is that a prepay, 14 hours and we bill again?
How does that, what's the?
It always goes by an hour with them.
It says it's always 14.
Yeah, too, yeah.
And it's always built in our rears.
Understood.
We have to plug them to send us to bill.
Okay.
It did that.
I was just wondering where that limit came.
The chair of the zoning board of adjustment was there.
And we're going to talk about with our PC, whether or not they said that they can provide minute support.
But we will see what that looks like, because I think.
Neil was here this afternoon right before the meeting, Joanna, so you know him and Alec McMart.
All right.
So that ends new business.
We're back to public comments on the old business.
You can also email public comment to amend assist at wilton.NH.gov.
Janice, do you have any comments?
Not on the agenda, by all means.
But you have to come up and identify yourself from where you live, sir.
little distance, so if they don't slow down enough, it's going to happen sooner or later that
somebody gets hit.
They can't see what's in the road.
No.
And then the other day, you know, on that stretch between the high-moing and Pine Hill entrance
and the triangle in front of the cafe, people speed up.
And this guy was coming down, and he didn't notice the stop signs that we put into the
cones when the cows crossed.
And we have two wires to keep the cows in.
They just plowed right through that and knocked one of those cones 50 feet into the air.
So that's kind of what kicked me off to come here.
Oh, so you actually put out cones and wires to try to block off traffic, keep the cows from wandering off?
Yeah.
We sued somebody.
We didn't put up cattle crossing signs.
So I'm thinking maybe it would be smart to have cattle crossing signs wherever the cattle cross.
That road is a state road.
So I don't know if the town of Wilton will do that.
I could ask the guys down at the highway shed.
But the other one is right by the entrance to the farm, across to the hay barn.
That's another cattle crossing.
You know, at least two or three days a week they cross there.
And that's a town road.
Anyway, so I've asked if it's possible we'd be glad to pay for the signs.
Hey, it certainly makes sense to me.
I certainly don't want to see you or somebody walking across the street.
or certainly animals getting struck.
I just don't know what the procedure is.
And if the state has to get involved, if it's on Isaac Front Highway.
Yeah.
So for the state road, I think they, it, the request has to go to them.
Yeah.
We could certainly weigh in through John saying that we would support that request,
but they were the ones that would have to approve it.
Yeah.
But the town road, we could certainly.
I call the state on the stop sign.
and try to get clarity, and they said when you coming off a state road onto a town road,
then it's a town's responsibility.
And if you come off a town road to a state road, it's the state's responsibility.
So the one coming off Abbott Hill onto Issa Frye, that will be a town responsibility.
So that stop sign would be us.
Right with you.
It's not a big deal.
Well, anytime you add a stop sign in, then you have enforcement issues,
and then law enforcement has to get involved because they're the ones who have to.
make sure it can give a false sense of security because people assume if there's a stop
sign, they don't have to look anymore.
You know, it's a law of unintended consequences.
Every time we try to solve one problem, we might potentially create another.
But it's good that you brought it to our attention so we could start the process of looking at it.
Yeah.
We don't want to disregard it because it sounds like it could be a real issue.
Yeah, it's a pretty tight spot.
I don't know how it got designed that way.
A lot of roads don't come off like that.
Well, you know where this is.
up the hill from you.
Are you guys?
Yes, sir.
John.
Does that make sense?
Maybe.
So what's our next step?
Should we ask John to investigate it with the state as far as what portion of it would be state?
Does that make sense?
I'd like to hear from John either way, whether it's state or not, I'd just like to get a sense,
you know, and it doesn't have to be right now either, but I'd love to get it.
I mean, it's up to you, but I'd love to get a sense of, you know, requirement for us to put some
sort of an official crosswalk up there then in your estimate.
a non-stop problem.
But I would like to meet with you, Ohio, where you plan.
These comments there is that, you know, it tracks quite a few vehicles.
It's not uncommon for that parking lot to be full of cars almost every night, especially when the weather's nice.
At the time, say, equal parts, we see folks who are gunning their engines,
and we just reached out to your team this last week because we had somebody racing through campus.
with their vehicle, not on the public road.
And so, you know, those folks don't just, obviously, magically show up in the parking lot.
They get there and they leave, and often they're leaving very quickly as well.
And so I think it's probably fair to assume that some of that traffic is the same traffic
that you're seeing really at excessive speeds, you know, gutting their way in or out of that area.
Yeah, yeah.
So we see.
see some very dangerous driving, and it's concerning.
We're actually at the meeting for consultants for other projects.
We're at the meeting the other day.
And not really a lot of big updates right now.
I did talk to Joseph briefly about the possibility of, you know,
getting more information about the timeline for the Howard Street Bridge.
People privately and publicly have been asking about that,
so I kind of encouraged him to get his...
We do have to perform, since that is used to federal money,
we do have to do some extra percentage.
procedures related to that, and I think he's a little, you know, wants more information
before he, from the state, he's more decisive about that.
Old County Farm Road Bridge, that's still in permitting.
On June 10th, I've sent out an invitation to the fire chief, the emergency management director
and a couple, and I'm going to probably send it to a couple other people who want to be present,
but we're going to have our dam meeting at the new reservoir at a certain time.
I'll send it out to the select board members, too, so you guys can attend it.
That's going to be with the dam bureau's representative.
So that should be an interesting conversation about, along with what the town wants to do.
So we'll see if that, we'll see if that happens.
And I think that I've got a couple of things under, actually I can probably pull.
As far as infrastructure, I submitted, I resubmitted with a little bit of updating help from HGB engineers to several years ago.
We put waterway crossings, so not like full-blown bridges, but they suddenly restored.
And HEB provided the program.
So our Lilly, our intern, and Bruce Berry, our public works coordinator, that's the title we give them.
He does myself for suspect, including stormwater.
They've been hard at work, getting involved with field sampling and then some field GIS work that they're going to be doing this summer.
So I previously submitted and got a grant from the New England Finance Institute regarding some stormwater planning
with secured a contract with BHB engineers.
That seems to be going well.
We actually, on today, earlier today, I also did the other part of the grant, which was to submit another grant.
In keeping with that, though, I do, I did request that, you know, we gather information for this year.
And for the most part, it's pretty straightforward stuff and pretty below board, but we're done very carefully and with your guys as input.
But essentially, we would, you know, access to stormwater and warn everybody, like, put hangers on everybody's doors and saying, hey, we're going to be conducting smoke testing, tell us if smoke's
starts coming out of your home.
I was going to say, yeah, definitely you need to notify people on that.
It's basically a colored smoke.
Yes.
Yes.
There is no plan to get into major enforcement actions right now.
It's just information gathering.
Just trying to clean where we got in.
And it'll be small scale.
And that's going to be, you know.
Her expensive question, though, is a storm water is a storm drain camera.
We originally, last year we kind of like got some.
I do want to get the camera this summer, a camera this summer.
And sooner than later, and I just wanted to get your thoughts about put.
Well, it's good timing that the sewer commission is here because that Amherstrow and other towns for put off, so he knows some things.
He, you know, does quite a bit.
His range is from about $1.6,000 all the way up.
$13,000.
We want to bring Insight Vision one.
What you want to do is, I think there will be utility to both help out, like the sewer commission,
and when they need something that isn't their stuff necessarily or, or, or, and our highway.
Yeah, we...
First on water equipment.
Wait until they can get out to the site.
This is Harriman.
Yes, to the site and see what they come out.
To see us.
Yeah, they were waiting on us because we needed to give permission or...
The C slate is going to meet with me next week regarding weeks there are known to be occurring.
That doesn't guarantee that they're going to be coming out quickly, but the compliance thing.
I'm still waiting for our individually to some of the select board members over during the course of some of the meetings that we've had last couple weeks.
But John has stopped in, and we've talked a little bit about it here and there,
and he actually collected some plans from town hall and returned them after an alteration network.
It's getting suggested from some personnel in town is projected to increase the cost vastly.
So one of the options that is just something to be aware of, and I guess we'll deal with it when we get more.
A quick question, and it's actually to John, I want to first off, thank you to your guys.
I saw them out there when we install them in the dummy, and it looks great.
We have plans to get the lights working in it.
So that was obviously.
an attempt to protect it.
Far of unintended consequences, we put ballards out there.
Somebody runs into the ballards, and they cause the worst accident in that insurance.
Yes, when crash is interested, we can look into some options.
Just looking at it, we're probably going to have to alter the roadway significantly.
Like, you know, it's very nice.
It's beautiful, and I think everybody loves it, but it just might affect the visual.
You know, if you want, we'll take a look at it.
I don't know.
I mean, I just was thinking out loud, that's all.
I hate to see you get destroyed again.
It might be worth.
I mean, that whole intersection is a problem.
I mean, that time, I hate to say it, but, you know, there's your sign.
The sign that this is not a good place to have a traffic dummy.
The head, which the higher chief, nor process, but they did recommend that we're beginning of a court.
So they said at least to do the same report.
You said, you met with all the department heads.
How many time clock systems?
So far, there's two department heads that want the physical station in.
Like Harold or just more if they have to.
themselves and chase people down.
Biometrics also, I think that they're slick, but they tend to be one of those things that
is there's a more significant upcharge and a four-digit pen.
So I'd be interested in just understanding the difference on pricing for those systems.
And, you know, PIN system works well.
Yes.
Yeah, those tend to be pretty straightforward options from what I've seen.
Yeah.
So, you know, for the sake of controlling budget, going with something that the system,
that's really where you want the biometrics, even though it's cool, there's a cool factor to
it. I think it's really... Yeah, I think it was more of
as the ease and just
when you were... Oh, yeah. Punching for did me
two cents there. This in the new year, so
we're not rushing into anything.
So we would put...
Well, yeah, that's what I'm pushing back on. So I'd say that
you know, if you've ever run payroll
for a team of people,
that department head should
see... I mean, it's going to eliminate
all the paper and all this stuff.
So for just the time clock
if that's getting charged to the department,
you can easily make the argument for that
being offset. The payback period on that
might be a, you know, a year or two
in save time. Chase people
and check. Right, so you could say
yearly savings. Each individual department had
rules. No, but their time is valuable. Something else
to do, right? We have better things to do than. So the
time clocks are around $1,100,
and the yearly savings on the
payroll portion itself is, and again
it's of 70. And that's
on a bi-weekly basis. So you're going to actually
see an increase. We should actually see it.
We should, in
two years, three years, we should see.
again? Sure. I think it's a good point. So
I know Mr. Garcia is going to ask me
that question. I think all the chiefs work
incredibly hard, and John Bekegge
works incredibly hard. He's got better things. I saw
Ms. Dew Valley. Keggi about what I said
we do practically with the Public Works Department
and the Police Department.
I think it has
What's our next steps? I think
came up with some ideas. We are getting
well, respectively, respectfully
just because something's on a map
does not make it necessarily a public right
away. I think our legal counsel
has provided some perspective on that. I think
you guys have also provided some really good perspective
on it. There's going to be
opinions one way or another,
and I think it's the kind of thing that you have to carefully weigh
to look over, because these costs
are,
they're real costs here,
and it is
significant one way or another, and there's other.
And there's other things that are kind of related
to that. I don't think necessarily need to get talked
about outside of a non-public,
but, you know, I think the best thing
what we can do is wait until the full cost,
of the project are gathered and then leave it as a decision of the select board
they want to move forward with accepted the road.
What are the elements of the project in your mind?
Are you, are the elements of the project what the town has done on Laurel Hill Street
for 50 years in my own experience?
to that. It's 1976 when I moved
into the property. I can
respond briefly and I
share next opinion. I think there's two pieces
here that we want to consider. One is
that we do have some legal counsel
on whether or not
what you've described means that it is
in fact the road that the town maintains and so
I'm going to put a pin in that
one for a second. So so the second piece though is understanding what it would
take for the town to bring that road up to standards that would allow the
town to continue to maintain it. So I think this guys said it one way or another
because I think the record I think all these things make this very sticky and
ambiguous and I think it's I will leave it no further that it were it concerns me deeply and
I try to be very polite about those subjects as much as I can, but it does alarm me it also.
Can I ask a good question? Yes, ma'am. When I, when we first were notified that today was going to
plow that section, it makes most sense to just plow the actual condition of the road itself.
It is not by no means the road that is the worst state in the entire town. So the demand that is paid immediately.
And I'm going to say that. It doesn't straight.
Scientifically. There is literally an objective number that they go over with cameras to analyze the paved
condition of the road, the number of splits, the number of crocodile pitching, the number
of potholes and stuff like that. There's an objective number that is attached to that
road. Did we have that record in?
Get a decision. I'm sorry if you thought we were going to make a decision. That was not my.
What I would inquest the chair
that we're going to request for, you know, updated information, you'd reach out
to me and the public works director who had been left. You know, with all due respect, I've asked you
repeatedly about this. This is not an unknown subject to you. So
scare me how you need to be
again. Because honestly, with all due respect, you have been asked, and I have asked about
this multiple times, not on the agenda. I don't want this to continue on indefinitely. I want this
to be decided. This has gone on for months and months. Two years they've been waiting for
an answer. On a road that the town, or a street, the town is maintained for over 50 years.
I read the same legal opinion, and I got the impression that the legal opinion was
something along the lines of the town for better or worse has maintained this and you have
adverse possession of it, whether you want it or not. So the whole argument about how
we need to decide whether or not we can afford to repair this is irrelevant when the town already
owns it. The argument is being made that we have to decide if we're going to accept it or not
based on what it costs to repair it. And I'm like, we've already accepted it. So it's a terrible
road. It's a terrible design. And the other road on the other side that comes down from Dale Street
to Pleasant Hill, by the way, is in worse shape because I drove it the other day. And that
That's not even part of this discussion. That one wasn't paved either.
So it wasn't like they just ignored Laurel Street.
Being told we are waiting. Because where this was left off specifically was that the chairman and chairman was going to work with John Backegee
to get the numbers and whatever was necessary to do the various options that were going to replace.
I haven't decided I didn't want to be involved with that. I will assist as much as I can legally,
especially with the making this as legal a process that is possible. I will also advise
on the things that I don't think this board gets to consider related to some of the more complex
legal discussions that got talked of. I know that this is an emotional subject because it's
related to people's homes, but I don't think it's a simple subject in characterizing it as such as not.
Do you have, I heard, and I didn't hear directly, but I heard that you have a proposal or a proposal or
a potential cost of 25 grand to bring that road up to town standard.
What that is. I was quoted from the sewer commission that would cost $25,000 to put in a sewer line.
There is a sewer line in there and they have to fix the one that's there.
And that's why we're waiting to hear what's going to be.
And again, I think some of that stuff is better discussed in non-public.
I think people should know. We would like to.
be on the agenda for your next coming non-public so that we can be represented as well.
This, it's a long time waiting.
It's very disconcerting.
I will tell you, we had a tree fall again a few weeks ago.
I called the highway department.
And by the way, the tree came to within 10 feet to 15 feet.
a peg's front door, fell across Laurel Hill Street.
Not from our property. It's not part of our property.
Right.
The highway department responded within 15 minutes of my call.
And thank you.
And the next stop that John and his crew made was to go to another treefall on McGettigan Road.
I don't know if they got a bill.
But we did not get a bill.
And I thank John for his diligence and answering the call to the town of Wilton people.
I thank you for listening to us tonight.
Sorry I've bitched.
No, no, no, no, no, no apology to me.
I'm sorry that this has gone on as long as it has.
I am trying to move this forward.
I am trying to move this forward.
And what I would recommend is that we actually work towards that rather than.
just putting things on it. How many times have I got to ask?
What exactly do you need me to do?
I'm looking for you. It's only what I
need to do. I would like the full board
to make some actual decisions
and proceed forward on it because I have
directed that we gather the information.
John has gotten certain numbers.
He's less than no more information as I
understand for some of the construction
options that are available.
It is by any means
his first priority for doing things
after the winter. But he
is working on it. It's an accident.
May I ask, is John also providing quotes for the brush clearing, the culvert laying, the cutting of trees that the town of Wilton has done on Laurel Hill Street at no charge to us for 50 years?
On the cost of continuing that, at no charge to these residents?
Well, again, in respect of the sensitive issues that are at play,
I will merely say that
there are obviously concerns about
ownership of the road and who benefits from it
in respect to the career. Can you explain what the sensitivity is
in your mind? That's my place to comment, because the board...
Well, it's your opinion, that's how I'm asking.
I can't comment. I think that is a discussion for the board
that is something should be brought up.
It would be inappropriate.
I think it's inappropriate. Thank you for being here.
So we wanted to talk about that in not public, if you guys are willing.
We can make it public afterwards, but it would be a general discussion about it.
I think that makes sense because of sensitivity.
We talked about it publicly last time, and that probably wasn't a good idea,
but I appreciate Caleb being here.
You want to get through town administrator updates and select court items,
and then we'll go right in the non-public to do that.
Sure.
Now, you've already covered a lot of your TA stuff anyway.
Bring the repair to the...
So our grater's been out of commission, and it's actually our main tool for, you know,
grading dirt roads and the Russell Hill Road.
So John got two quotes to actually repair the grater damage about that you to get prepared.
One is a transmission problem.
Yeah.
The one is for a brand new transmission with a one year parts only warranty.
And the other one is for having the transmission rebuilt by a qualified diesel mechanic, which is Dawn Norse's son.
But it would not have any new warranty with it.
For an $18,000 difference, for a one-year parts only,
you'd still be paying to take it apart and everything else anyways.
I think you have better off going with the...
Do we know? I mean...
We could get in there.
This is like a high end.
Like, we'd rebuild the whole train.
We could get in there and find out it's an o-ring.
And it would be even less, but I don't want to say,
hey, we're just doing an o-ring and then come back, oh, I need five of this.
Can you share with us the numbers?
Yeah, I know you have copies of the quote.
right there.
So for the new transition, $53,669 and $46.
They're both of them slipped down.
He already started working on him.
He's already $5,240, and they're just taking in it.
And the other one is $35,581.30.
And that's to rebuild it.
Yes.
If I understood your comment just now, there's a possibility, but we won't count on that.
There's a possibility that it was a possibility that it was.
It won't require a full rebuild, that it could just be.
Correct.
But we can't find anybody to tear it down and just look for a problem.
Understood.
Yeah, but so on the high end, we'd be in for 35 with the full rebuild.
Does that 5,200 count towards the 3,500?
Yes, that's in there.
That's in there, okay.
So we're really talking about an additional 30.
The end was already taking out the same amount of time.
There and he's already got it torn down or starting to tear it.
Your warranty is not real impressive either.
No.
For private only?
Right.
Yeah, it doesn't.
So, I mean.
$5,000 in the year.
On the original manufacturer.
You had mentioned last time that you were also going to see if anything else came up when they were taking it apart.
You can't get anybody to test the pump so you'd have to come down because nobody wants to contaminate their benches.
So there's a possibility if we were to go with, we don't have a sense.
The pumps were all working fine.
It's just we had them out.
It's not a lot to usually have them checks.
usually have them check, so it's better off to check them all they're out, just for pressure.
Yeah, they're doing.
But they were working fine, so they should be fine going back.
And you had like 100,000 in Block Green.
Sure, something like this.
I'd like to amend my motion yet to ensure that those funds are to come from that.
I will second that amendment.
Any further discussion?
Hearing not.
Thank you for bringing.
Just to notify you, folks, I did send, get the final contract for the appraisal for the
Forest Road property from capital appraisals.
Yes.
We divided it up according to what our legal counsel recommended into three equal parts and we sent it off to Temple and Limeborough respectively.
Once we get the payment for those, the contract, for the proceed right in beginning the appraisal, it's going to be probably the previous question related to it, assessing rents.
So information and the passwords discussion.
That should be useful.
We've got a couple nonpublics.
We get the septics.
I'm going to send out one last, I got, I think we got some final input on.
on the land use administrator job description to just in case anything needed to be updated.
I think everybody's in agreement that more or less the position itself was performing as intended.
We're just going to put in some clarifying language in there.
We're already getting a lot of lines of what Michelle was here, for example.
It's also misfinding somebody who would take that.
You'd have to get this person to do this and somebody else to do this.
And I don't even know if there's anybody in the business that does that.
It just worked out for the building in the inspector position.
The closest analog would be RPC actually, I think.
Well, that's obviously they...
We're going to use somebody on a part-time basis from there, but that's a short-term.
But they need to charge more than...
Impressed every time I see them working, so I appreciate it.
A couple shout-outs for two events that occurred since we last met.
American Legion post put on their annual Memorial Day event.
It was well attended, even though because of the weather, it had to be held.
Let them chase them down the river.
Under RSA 91A, 3B, which is it first.
I think we should, if Caleb's here, we should just knock that.
Oh, yes, we have to do that.
Say that Wilton's losses of Arizona's against.
Well, it's been a real honor of being here.