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Okay, well, I will refer to line 49. The gentleman's name was Jared Keys, not David Keys. and he was representing, I believe, the Recreation Commission, although that's not noted. and also line one forty-one, again it's Jared Keys, J A R E D. And a motion to change line forty-nine to the edits that Donna has corrected. On May 20th, 2026. The second. Is it the second? All in favor? Aye. Thank you. Okay, so before we proceed to the applicants that are here. our board is normally made up of five members, full members and At alternates. the state requires us to notify applicants at the beginning of our meeting that a concurring vote Of any three members of the board shall be necessary to take any action on any matter required to pass. So that would be a variance or a special exception. our rules of procedure also indicate that if there are only three people, three of us Making a decision and your application fails, the fact that we've only had three members wouldn't be grounds for you to Apply for appeal, appeal, appeal. Okay. You could appeal on other grounds, but you couldn't appeal on the fact that only three of us were sitting here. And you need to be aware of that, and you have the right to suspend your application for this evening if you choose to. it can be heard at another meeting. So that is your decision. and again, it's only because he wouldn't be able to appeal a decision that we made between the three of us on your application. You can appeal under the grounds, if you may, if I may. You need all three yeses. If you get one no, it's over. So you need three out of five, unfortunately you only have three, so that's the bottom line. So if you think you're gonna get three yeses, take the gamble. If you don't think so, ask for a continuance or a suspension till the next meeting. Okay? Okay. Any concerns, any desires to suspend your application at this time? No? Yeah. All set? All set. Okay, very well. Thank you. per RSA fifty-six colon fifty, I'm sorry, thirty-six colon fifty-six. The board should first make a determination As to whether the nature and scope of any of the proposed applications below yours might have an impact beyond the borders of the town. a development of regional impact is what that's called before it determines whether the application is complete. So I will I will, I will make a motion that I don't think any of these cases- Bicford, including or Boston Self Storage have any impact beyond the borders of the country? Second. All in favor? Aye. Great. So we are going to proceed. first on the docket is an application for variance to terms of Article Two, Section two oh four point four of the New Boston Zoning Ordinance. The applicant is Terry and Alan Bifford for property located at 725 River Road, owned by Terry and Alan Bifford, Caxtons, lot number two one one dash zero four four dash zero dash zero dash zero, in the residential agricultural RA district. The applicant is requesting permission for a variance from the fifty-foot setback, front setback to the road to construct a two-car garage on the existing non-conforming lot. So you may proceed with talking about your plan. Okay. good evening. we are requesting a variance from the fi- fifty foot set fo-setback requirement to allow placement of a thirty by twenty-five foot two-car garage on a thirty-one by twenty-six foot concrete slab. Due to the unique physical constraints of our property, there's no practical alternative location for the garage that fully complies with the setback. Our lot is under one half acre, the rear of the property has a steep embankment that makes construction impractical, and the water line from our well to the house crosses the driveway. In front of the garage, but now limiting placement options. The proposed location remains outside the stage's twenty-five foot right-of-way, does not obstruct sightlines for our driveway or neighboring driveways, and will not create any public safety concerns. The garage is a cus-customary residential accessory structure that will be consistent with the neighborhood and will not negatively impact surrounding properties. We believe this request is the minimum relief necessary to allow reasonable use of our property and respectfully ask the board to approve the variance. Thank you. Would you go through your application so that it becomes part of the record? A few minutes related to the support of the facts, which is what we have today. Yeah. Yep. You want me read the, read it right, okay. granting the variance wouldn't be contrary to the public interest. Granting request of variance to allow construction of a thirty-one by twenty-six foot concrete slab and placement of a thirty by twenty-five foot metal garage within the setback area wouldn't be contrary to the public interest. The proposed structure will not obstruct visibility for vehicles entering or exiting either the applicant's driveway or neighboring driveways. Traffic safety and sight distance will remain unaffected. The proposed garage is residential in nature and consistent with the character of the surrounding neighborhood. If the variance were granted, the spirit of the ordinance would be observed because the spirit of the setback ordinance is to promote safe placement of structures, maintain orderly development, and protect neighboring properties. The proposed location satisfies these purposes because the garage will remain compatible with surrounding residential properties and won't create safety concerns or overcrowding. Granting the variance would therefore observe the spirit of the ordinance while allowing reasonable use of the property despite its physical limitations. Granting the variance would do sub-substantial justice because substantial just-justice would be done by granting the variance because the benefit to the applicants outweigh any potential harm to the public. The requested relief is limited in space and necessary due to the property's unique physical constraints. Denial of the variance would impose an unnecessary burden on the applicant while providing little or no corresponding benefit to the public or surrounding property owners. If the variance were granted, the values of the surrounding properties wouldn't be diminished. The proposed garage is a customary residential accessory structure that will be maintained in a manner consistent with the neighborhood. The structure will not negatively impact neighboring properties or alter the residential character of the area. The proposed improvement may enhance the overall utility and appearance of the property and is not expected to diminish surrounding property values. Little just go right to number one. Okay, sorry. No substantial relationship exists between the general public purposes of the ordinance provision and the specific application that Of that pro-provision to the property because literal enforcement of the setback ordinance results in unnecessary hardship due to special conditions of the property that distin-distinguish it from others in the area And the proposed use is a reasonable one because the lot is under half acre in size, which significantly limits usable building area. The rear portion of the property contains a steep embankment that makes construction in that location impractical. In addition, the water line serving residents runs across the driveway area near the existing garage, limiting alternative placement options and creating concerns regarding future access and disturbance of utilities. Okay, that's, that's perfect. Okay, thank you. Okay, so let's hear from our members, other questions. I have, I have questions. Okay. I'm good. Okay, so you have an eighteen thousand square foot lot of point four zero an acre, is that correct? Yes. Go ahead. You're asking, so the gar- the new garage, you're going to remove the portable garage that's in the pictures and put in a cement slab for a new thirty by twenty-five garage, putting it approximately thirty-one feet off the road. What is your existing house? Give or take, how far back is that? There's five with the addition onto the front from years ago that they did, I'm guessing it's probably about thirty-five Alright. So it's basically you're, you're almost in line, you're a few feet in front of that, right? Yeah. You have a drop off in the back to the river. Yes, with the existing garage. Yes. You have an existing garage and a well. Yes. So you really can't, and you're meeting the side setback with the twenty feet. Yes. So you really have basically nowhere else to put that, is that correct? Correct. Correct. We're just basically asking for twenty feet of the Right, but you already are non-conforming, but because of the, because of New Boston's zoning bylaws, you have to go again because you're more non-conforming. Yeah. All right. It's the house now. The line of sight is really my only concern. So the, the pictures, there's no trees out there, there's no bushes, hedges or anything. Did anybody- Is that a state road or a town road? State, state road. These are, these are fruit trees here. Yeah, they just- Right, but I just, I'm, I'm, the line of sight would be my only con- Does the driveway go in between the house and that, and then you're gonna pull into your garage? Is that how that works? Yeah. Okay, so you're not asking for another curb cut, not asking. You're not putting in another curb cut to get to your garage, as an existing curb cut? So instead of pulling into the portable garage to be taken down, you're gonna pull into a, since the cement slab new thirty by twenty-five garage, correct. Okay. You're not obstructing your neighbor's view, no? No. We don't know, we assume so, because it looks like you're, you're roughly thirty-something feet back from the road anyway, right? Yeah. It would actually be almost even with their eight or ten-foot stock eight and a half fence that they have out there now, then. Oh, I see. That's the line you had on the drawing. Yes, I see what that line is. They have that, they have a fence out there now that's here, ten feet high, that's how many feet approximately between the house and the garage doors? Are you, do you have any turning radius problems in there? No, I'm guessing it's gonna be Well, you got one fifty, twenty, forty-five, fifty-five, sixty-five. How wide's your house? Thirty feet? Forty feet? It's a hundred five, a hundred feet. So you got about forty feet. Okay. Give it a scale of your asking. Thank you. Perfect mathematician. Yes, any questions? No, no, no no, Bob Barber, I am. Go ahead. so one thing that, that might be brought up to just be aware of is drainage, right? off the roof. So building inspector will take care of all of that and- Discuss that with you at that time. okay. Any further-- are there butters available or present? I'm sorry Any others? Any other interested parties? Seeing none I'll entertain the motion. Thank you, Omi. you have an order, Mr. Mayor, don't you? Yeah. So, motion to approve the application of variance in accordance with Article Two, Section two o four point four of the new Boston zoning ordinance the applicant Terry and Alan Pickford, her property is located at two seventy-five River Road, owned by Terry and Alan Pickford, Maploes, to it's seven twenty-five, seven twenty-five, my apologies, seven twenty-five River Road. owned by Terry and Alan Vickford tax map lot two one one dash zero four four dash zero dash zero dash zero in the residential agricultural district. applica-- the request is for a variance of the fifty-foot setback to construct a two-car garage on the non-existent, non-conforming lot. Or, the sorry, the Existing non-conforming lot. Motion to approve the variance. I second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. Have a good evening. Thank you. You too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next we have an application for a special exception to terms of Article Two, Section two o four point three R one. Of the new Boston zoning ordinance. The applicant is Mark Cloutier, the property located at 15 Page Lane, owned by Mark A. Cloutier Revocable Trust, Tax Map Lot number two zero four 047000 in the residential R1 district. The applicant is asking requesting permission for a special exception to operate a home business in the residential one district. So you may proceed with your application. Thank you. Good evening, my name is Mark Lurier, and I live at Fifteen Page Lane. Thank you for the opportunity to present my request for a special exception for a small, appointment-only home-based car detailing business. I want to begin by emphasizing that this is a low-intensity, one customer at a time operation that fully complies with requirements of Article Two, Section two o four dot three R one. As stated in my application, no more than one customer vehicle will be, will be present at a time, and all work will take place on my property using existing driveway space. There are no structural changes, no signage, no outdoor storage, and no commercial lighting proposed. I understand there may be concerns from my neighbors, for example, won't an appeal, I'm sorry, won't an approval of this request set a precedent for businesses in the neighborhood? The special exception isn't a blanket approval for anyone else, it is a case-by-case determination based on whether this specific use of this specific property meets the ordinance criteria. Granting my request doesn't automatically allow any other home business on page one. Each future applicant would still need to go through the same process and meet the same standards. Also, approving this request doesn't open the door to unrestricted commercial activity It simply recognizes that this particular use is small scale, low impact, and compatible with the R1 zone. Another concern is what happens if I sell my home, which I have no plans to do. As I understand, the special exception doesn't automatically transfer to a new owner unless the new owner operates the exact same use under the exact same conditions. In order to change use Expand, add employees, add signage, or increase traffic, they would need to come back before the board for approval. Additionally, the board has the authority to attach conditions to this approval Such as what is outlined in my request already. One customer at a time, appointment only operation, no signage, no non-resident employees, no outdoor storage. These conditions ensure that the user remains exactly as represented. Quiet, small scale, and residential in character. I believe my proposal meets the ordinance criteria in the following ways. Community facilities. This is a low intensity operation with no measurable impact on police, fire, or emergency services. Character of the area, the property will remain fully residential in appearance with no visible commercial activity. I take pride in my home's appearance and would not want to detract from it. Traffic, customer visits are limited and scheduled. Traffic levels will remain comparable to normal residential activity. Noise and nuisance: Detailing work produces no smoke, dust, or excessive noise. Cleaning products are commercially available materials stored indoors and considered environmentally safe. Property values, the use is un-unobtrusive and doesn't alter the residential nature of the neighborhood. This is a small, quiet, low impact home business that fits the intent of the ordinance and preserves the character of the neighborhood In closing, this business is designed to be totally compatible with the Arland District. I believe it meets all requirements of the ordinance and doesn't create adverse impacts. I respectfully request approval of the special exception. So you basically covered everything that you had in your application. That's right. questions. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Come on on that, please. Bye. Bye. Nice to see you again. Tephis Jones, I live directly across the street from Mark in 18 Page Lane. So I wanna be very respectful to the board. I've never been this type of procedural hearing before, so I-- This is my husband, Ryan Duhamel, who is also the same residence as me. I have a statement, and I also have a couple of questions, so I just wanna be respectful of how to utilize your time and how to go about asking and doing so. I think that sounds perfect. So can I just follow up with Mark's statement? So if he were to sell his property, though he said he has no, you know, intent to do that at this moment, how would, if this special agreement was allowed, how would that affect the new home buyer? No, we could, we could make a condition that the, that it doesn't go with the sale of the land, they call it. Okay. This is granted to him and to him only and not to the property. Okay. And then how would that allow for, I guess, other individuals in the neighborhood that now want to have a business, personal business, like, it, it's a little bit to me like a slippery slope? It, it is. It, it, I, I do this for a living, and I can tell you right now that home occupations are nothing new. People starting Starting Reiki or they're doing computer repair, I get probably twenty of these a week in different towns. So if you, you know, if you want to start a cupcake baking business, that's considered a home occupation. If you want to do computer programming In order to be licensed by the state in Massachusetts, I'm not sure also, but in order to get a, a business license in the state of Mass, you have to have a home occupation permit from the town, if you start it out of town. So it isn't It isn't a it isn't a wild, like no one's ever done this before. So it, it is, it is a norm, and the question is, is I, and I would agree with you that sometimes people do get out of hand Landscapers, the client grows, all of a sudden they got sixty-three trucks a-in, in forty-eight plows, and you're looking at a contractor shop. Unfortunately, my job is to go shut it down. I think she means slippery slope, like once this is approved and- 'Cause it can-- There's always gonna be a precedent, you know, and now like-- Well, I mean, it depends on what they're doing. There, there are certain outlines of home occupations that they can and cannot do. There's certain criteria that they can. So can you-- Yes. Right. So can you go in there and open up a contract to Jard and a fellow Tate's lumber? South, out of your house next door, no, you cannot. There are certain criteria you have to meet, ninety-nine percent of the time, it has to do with it can't be, it's gonna be screened, no one can see it, it can't have more parking. Basically, what, honestly, what he outlined is, is some most of the criteria for a special exception. Okay. So it really is an individual case, it's case by case. And a lot of times, if it affects a septic system, it's not granted if you don't have, you know what I mean? If you're bringing customers over and you're doing a hair care salon and you don't have the septic to do it, you can't grant it. Okay. And I did a lot of research, and I couldn't really find out why the neighborhood was originally zoned to be just residential only. Like, was there a specific reason when it was first constructed on why it was zoned that It was originally manufactured housing and when the gentleman sold it the attorney went in for a, an RA district Our, our one district zone could have gone into our A, but went into our one. So that, that's the history of that. Probably the size of the lot. Okay. So I, I do know that based upon the information you provided earlier at the beginning of the meeting that we have to have obviously three in confirmation to allow for this to proceed, but if you're saying that you're gonna attach additions and, you know, differences in how this is- Outlined, like how are we gonna be able to, as a neighborhood, review that prior to your approval, if you're approving it right now, without us being able to see that? With all due respect, you don't have approval authority. No, no, no, we're going to put the conditions on it. If there's some other condition that you think should be put on it, speak up and we'll, we have, we have pretty, we're pretty lateral on what we can do here. If there's something that you think that- You know, this-- if you have an idea, throw it out. I have, I'm not gonna think of everything, and neither is Don or neither is Nick. So if you have an idea of like, hey, I don't want this, I don't want that, and can we control this, please. Of course. Or feel free. Well, then I'll go about my statement, and I might have a few more questions. Thank you so much, like everything you provided has been super helpful and very informative. So I wanted to say Mark is a wonderful neighbor. House is pristine, very Like I cannot talk highly enough about him, very happy to be his neighbor. my issue right now is chemicals, as you know that in his application And bear with me, 'cause I have a lot of notes here. In his application, he does say the business doesn't involve hazardous materials beyond small quantities of standard consumer-grade cleaning products, all of which will be stored safely indoors. We have swale directly across the street from his residence. I'm concerned about overflow from washing and detailing cars going into the flow, which the swale, which would obviously at some point get into our well system, which we have, and we've scheduled A lot of money, two, or the river I was gonna say, yeah, and the skywalk. She's, she's a talker. And the skywalk. So those are two major issues for me. I one hundred percent believe Mark, he seems like a very trustworthy gentleman, but there hasn't been a list of materials that's been provided to you on what he's gonna be using. To ensure they are in fact EPA friendly and environmentally friendly. as much as I love this country and our government I'm gonna say that you guys, well, not you guys, in general, but there has been issues with how clean water is provided to citizens within the United States of America. I'll bring up Saint Aubin in Merrimack. I'll bring up Flint, Michigan, and I'll bring up all the data centers right now that are being produced and completed against citizens Wants and needs, and it's dirtying our water. I'm very concerned about the environment, and if there's nothing that's in front of you that's a list of chemicals being used, how can you say that they're friendly and EPA safe and not gonna affect my well and the scapula and the fish and the environment and the ecosystem? Okay. Chemicals. Traffic, refer back to this. Customer visits will be limited, quiet, and by appointment, ensuring that traffic and noise remain minimal and in keeping with the neighborhood's residential nature. that's fine. I understand it's probably gonna be by appointment, it's probably gonna be limited. How can you control how your customers are gonna intera- like behave and interact? You can't say for, with one hundred percent guarantee, you're not gonna have an angry customer that's not happy with the service that you provided. And how are you going to be able to say beforehand how they're gonna act? If they're not happy. That, well, that can be said for any business. And that can be said for any business. Right. You had a great response, but I, I, I completely understand. I'm just making the point that it can be said for any business. It can be said for any business. I agree. Particularly if you're cutting the hair. It also could be-- Not you, but just in general. For just for a spouse. Yeah, true, but you're also opening up future possibilities for more- Instances to happen versus keeping it status quo, correct? Okay. Good point. Yep. you already said obviously that you can put Points in place when it comes to selling, so if they sell, that's not gonna carry over, it would have to be reevaluated by the council, so that's one that I'll scratch from the record right there. personally, when we were searching for a home, we really did pay that attention to like residential zoning, and we did make a conscious effort to not purchase in zones that would allow for commercial businesses because we wanted to purchase a property in a neighborhood So, I mean, as much as, yes, I wish everybody the best endeavors on their personal business, it's a neighborhood, it's a small neighborhood. I don't think Personally, in my opinion, that it's beneficial to the neighborhood overall. A special exception is, to me, I don't wanna say selfish, but that's one person versus the whole neighborhood So I, I just don't think that it's beneficial to all the other residents overall. we're straight across, exactly, and we're straight across. So we're the ones that are really gonna have to, and we're eighteen page nine, I don't know, no, no, no, that's, that's eighteen, yes. Yes, right. I, I wrote the numbers down. that's really all I have to say, and I appreciate the feedback and the banter. I mean, it, it makes sense to me what you're saying, but That's just my personal opinion on how I feel about the situation, and Mark, again, nothing against you, because I did come to you today and let you know how it was gonna come to the table with what I was saying. Well, we appreciate it. We appreciate your, your thoughts about the matter. Are there other observers? Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Stick around. Thank you. Hi Jen Boeschman, Jennifer Boeschman, out of the twenty-two page Lane we're neighbors with Compass and Orion. We're a I don't wanna crush dreams. I love Mark and Angela, they've been fantastic neighbors. my concerns center around not necessarily the traffic, now having heard Mark and his plan, you know, I didn't know if it was Six cars a day, one car a week so that makes me feel better. my concerns center around water quality and the environment. our cul-de-sac, it's eleven houses it's not huge, and we are, we are bordered on all sides by wetland and the river. so I guess I'm, I'm concerned about how the, you know, you wash a car and, and you know, according to EPA, if you wash brake, you wash brake pads, yeah. you have heavy metals going into the water like lead, like nickel you have antifreeze, you're increasing the phosphates and nitrates, and you're producing overgrowth, and in a wetland area, you know, you could, you could kill off some, some, some species and some, some ecosystems just, just by, you know, eutrophication and You know, that, that's a concern. we all have well water in the neighborhood. you know, we've spent, we've spent a considerable amount of money on water quality systems, and we have high levels of arsenic already that we're battling. and so I, I guess I'm just concerned about what that business will do to our water quality. and Yeah, I think, I think those are my, those are my major concerns. Yeah. And I, I know, I know it's limited, you know, one car is a week, but it, it builds up, and I think it has, it can, it can have a long-lasting impact beyond what we think one car would do. So that-- those are just- Sharing my concerns. Great, yeah, thank you very much. Are there other voters that would like to speak? I guess the only thing I would add to my wife's statement was just the when I researched it real quick, it said if you had like a gravel pad and that it would be better than like doing it on tar and letting it wash into a culvert, into a swale, drainage swale, and get right into the system. If you know Mark, his lawn is pristine. I don't see that happening. I see it all happening on the tar asphalt, which again, as everyone else has said, just all leads right to the little brook and down the road and into the river. and the other question that I had that might be on that application, I didn't read it, is if I wasn't sure if Mark had permission from the deponent, as there are covenants that prohibit anything then other than in home office. So covenants aren't something that we would be addressing from the Zillow perspective you know, however You know, there is relief there in terms of either taking it to planning or but, but we, we can't act on that particular issue that, that's from our attorney, so And again, I was just asking in case Mark, if like when I got six chickens, the declarant gave me written permission. Seth may have six chickens, the declarant. Who's that? Tris Gordon and Robert Hugener had given me that written letter allowing me to have that. So otherwise, I think the, the covenants stick for thirty years and then they, they re up every five years unless two thirds of the neighborhood votes to kill them. so yeah, to your point, whether this passes or not, anybody in the neighborhood that wants to move forward after this could potentially, yeah, it's not inappropriate. Thanks for your understanding, I appreciate it. Is that not within our program? If the declarant tells him no, so let's, let's just assume for a second that the declarant says no, he can't do it. Then, then we can't overturn that. That is part of his, let's just call it a condo committee for lack of a condo association, for lack of a better analogy. That would be correct. So if they, oh, say no, then Do you have permission to do that, bud? I don't know what that is. Okay, that's good. My understanding is what Seth's saying is you have a condo committee, for lack of a better word, that, that neighborhood is run by-- No, we don't know. Covenants, covenants. I think there are covenants that run with the land. Yeah. So in other words, you can't do this, you can't build that, you can't-- Yeah. On your deed that you signed when you bought that house, there is a, there is a It says personal businesses, which I believe when we bought the home, that it said no personal businesses were, were part of the covenant. So if, if it limits personal business-- My point is, is if it limits personal businesses, if that's what the, the, the covenant truly says, and you can't get permission from- In your deed restriction or whatever the case may be to do this, then we can't overturn that. You know what I mean? If they say no, they run there in your deed, we aren't. So if we say yes, that's correct. And they say no, it's done to no. I, I'm just trying to-- I'm, I'm trying to- I guess do it in the right order because I just don't, I don't wanna say yes or no here and they say no and then you look at me saying the zoning board said it was okay. We are second in command to someone you deal with. Well, okay. So you're before us this evening asking for a special exception, and technically that's all that we can rule on. You can come to us and say, "Hey, there are declarations on this land." We don't know anything about that it's not part of our purview. And so what would end up happening, building inspector and the review of all of that, and also the landowners who know that there are issues, would be raising that issue So regardless of whether we approve something, if there's something that's gonna overrule that, so be it that has probably over, you know, authority over what we're gonna decide, we can only look at zoning, zoning ordinances And whether or not the application meets the criteria for a special exception, that's all we know. I, I just will raise again, okay, you had said before with the other people who wanted the garage, is there any impact beyond-- I don't know your wording, but beyond The land or beyond, it's impacting other people. Two different animals, John. That was a variance. This is a special exception. Okay. The two different criteria. Okay. That they judge by. Gotcha. All right. I understand what you're saying, but it's definitely two different criteria. Okay. As an aside, I am curious, are we zoned R1A, R1, R1, or R1 according to the tax map in my tax card for this mobile home? Yes. So it is M H and R one. Okay, okay. So you could move the mobile home and put a regular home on there if you choose to do that one, yeah. Yeah, it, it happened when the land was sold and the owner's attorneys decided to do that. I mean, they could have gone in for, like, something like RRA with OpenSpace, which is what they did on RightDrive. they could have done the same back then or not, but they didn't, so that was that. Okay. Anyone else have any other thoughts or questions or concerns? Am I allowed to rebut anything? You aren't allowed to say whatever you'd like. So first off, I have a question. Yeah? If, if we were sold already, would we even need to be here? I think so. No, home business is allowed. Home business is allowed, so all right, right. All right, all right. Well, well, let me, let me, let me, let me say this to you. You could be RA, but there still be, could be covenants on your prop, on the land. So that's the only thing I remember from the deeds that we weren't allowed to have a clothesline. That's all I remember reading in there. It reads that. No, all right, well, you're speaking, but I have it right here, I can't read it because I don't want to get into the covenants here. I don't want to get into the covenants here. We don't have any jurisdiction over that. We don't have any I'm using, I'm using soap, it's soap, and ninety-nine percent of it is evaporating because my house faces southeast The sun hits it all day long. I have zero ice in the winter. As soon as I'm rinsing, it's, it's evaporating away, and I haven't killed one blade of grass on my property. With any chemicals or washing of my own vehicles, which I've been doing since 2016. Okay. I understand the concern about traffic, but I just want to say, you know, we can't control Amazon or FedEx or UPS in the way that they drive or the union leader delivery person at six AM doing forty, fifty miles an hour on road. They still deliver the union leader. No, I don't like it. So if we're-- if the, if the neighborhood isn't responsible for them, I shouldn't have to be responsible for anybody else's actions. clientele. Just keep in mind, this isn't a car wash. I'm not inviting everybody over to wash their car in my driveway. I will be picking and choosing whose car I work on. That's not to say nothing's ever gonna happen. But where it's not just a car wash, i-it's a detailing business, I expect more high-end clientele for lack of a better phrase. a comment was made that this was a commercial business. I don't- I don't know if you can really call it that. It's a home business, so it's not really commercial. I'd be the sole proprietor, no employees, it's just me. and as far as the That won't even come in, I'll have to look that up. Okay. Okay. So ju-just so I'm clear one last time. So The access point into your house is the same access point. You're not making a new driveway, you're not doing anything of that, that, that, to that effect, is that true? Your, your notes say that there's-- Is there ample off-street parking for a vehicle? My driveway is over ninety feet long, ninety-five feet long, and I have a two-car turnaround. Okay. No signage is what you wrote in your thing, so the signs, you, you said you would have no signs, there will be no signs. unless planning board requires me to have one, but they, they wouldn't require it if you, if you wanted to go for one, to have one, you'd have to go through the planning board. Okay. I don't, that we don't, we don't do those. I'm not, I'm not advertising signage. Right. No signage, commercial lighting. Or outdoor storage is proposed is what you want. I just want to make sure that no signage, commercial lighting around those storage. What was my other thing? Hours, hours of operation? So the zoning board, by special exception, is allowed to put some control on that. So what would be, what would you-- I don't see anything about hours of operation. Yeah. I'm assuming you're not going out to midnight, but I would like to have some type of parameter or have you tell me what you think the parameter would be, be a neighbor. Are you referring to outside or inside work, or work outside or inside? So, all right, let's, let's go back to that because that, on your application Everything seems, it seems to me that you're doing everything outside, unless I'm missing something, and I read that, and I'm sorry. I specified work would be done in the driveway, right? Yeah. Okay. But once it's washed, if you're gonna bring it inside, the car fits in my garage, I'll bring it in for the detailing. It, it's difficult to surrender Kona Caro side. No, and that's, that's what I was like, that's what I'm trying to get to, is whether you're gonna be out there at midnight or you're buff, buffing away with lights on all over the place. Okay. So The work is outside and inside no outdoor storage material. Okay. All right. I am Okay, well, I am, and then we'll come back to you. Go ahead. all right, so I, I hear what you're saying in terms of not using chemicals. I still have concerns with the amount of water runoff just 'cause you have, you're gonna have excessive salt from the vehicles themselves when, when you're washing that off, the salt from the roads, you're gonna have excessive- Water that's actually gonna be pulling off the tar itself. So I do have some environmental concerns with that that I think would warrant more investigation and more information on how much, what's the average amount of water that's gonna be going that you're gonna be using and then what type of environmental impact that could potentially have. That would be my concern. Okay. and you're also within less than a quarter of a mile from the river So that also plays a pretty significant piece into what you're trying to do. Okay. Are you how many cars per day were you thinking about doing? It's like one a week. Oh, it's one a week. If I was lucky, I would get two a week. Okay. We wash our cars more frequently than he would be doing this. Well, I mean, and I think that that's part of the equation, okay? You have your own car? Yeah, three. You have three cars. Yeah. So technically, you could wash three cars every single day of every week. You could do it on your land. That's allowed. No business. So that kind of thing has to be thought about when we're talking about this at the board level. So my another question I have for you is whether or not you're aware or familiar with any state requirements related to drainage? No, and as I stated earlier, the majority of the runoff evaporates immediately, and anything that doesn't evaporate ends up in my turnaround on my lawn And I have, and that has caused zero problems to me. So you don't have a pitch, you don't have a, you don't have a, a pitch up to your garage from the road? Are you pretty much flat going in? I didn't take a ride by. My, my turnaround actually Has a slight gray to it and zero water touches the world. Okay. and that's asphalt. Yes. Okay. So that was another one of my thoughts, my questions about whether or not and the building inspector will probably be talking to you about this as well when he gives you, if he gives you a permit. About drainage, about, you know, soil issues and runoff and all of that kind of stuff. are there thoughts of, of using biodegradable materials? There, okay, you hadn't mentioned that. That's, that's relatively important. I think I figured to know. I'm sorry. Environmentally safe, I assume would cover all those bases. Well, that I don't know. But that would be something that I would, I would want to make sure because you are so close to the river and there is runoff, that the the soaps The materials that are used are biodegradable. and in terms of the runoff, okay, you're saying that there is no runoff, right? Am I hearing that or did I not, did I not get that? One or two words. All right, so you're washing your cars, okay, the cars in the driveway, right? You're doing the detailing in your garage Correct. Yeah. Okay. So if you were using biodegradable soaps, if for your business, because you're not required to use them for your personal cars Right? then where would-- Where does the water run off? I mean, does it run out of your driveway? Currently, you can watch it turn into my turnaround and end up in the corner. It doesn't go anywhere close to the road. Oh. It doesn't run off on anybody else's property. Oh. It settles in the co-- in the back corner of my turnaround. Okay. Okay. I didn't include this In my package, 'cause I didn't have it digitally, may I- We can make some copies. May I show it to you? Yeah. I, I don't have all the dimensions, but you can see my, the length of my driveway and that's the turnaround, it's within a couple feet of my garage, and all the water runs right down to this corner. Okay. And would you be able to estimate from your turnaround in that corner to the property line? A hundred and somewhat feet. Okay. Okay. I do believe it is a reasonably pitched driveway. I just will add that I can't speak for if it goes into his turnaround or not, but the driveway is pitched pitched down to the road. Yes. How high is no, okay, we won't get into it. building inspector will though. Okay. Can, can I just say, like, my concern isn't the runoff, it's the, it's the chemicals, and I don't know what biodegradable means, like in terms of chemicals, but you're watching Brake pads and antifreeze and like even, even if it is absorbed by the lawn, Mark, Mark and Angela's lawn is impeccable, but it doesn't mean that there isn't, even if it evaporates, if there isn't a residue of chemicals, and I mean Honestly, I've made comment like they wash their cars more than anyone I know. Right, right? Like they're always out there washing their cars, so I don't know the big difference with one to two cars a week. Like I'm sitting here now thinking, right? They're gonna do that anyways with their own cars, right? Four more. So, but I, I guess my concern is, I want, I want to, and I do trust that they're saying one to two cars a week, and that it's going to be one to two cars a week, but when it, when it is successful, right now I think he has people wanting him to do it, but he wants to do it the right way. Well, where are gonna be the parameters around it to become successful beyond that? Like, are you gonna want to increase that? Well, you're We put conditions, yeah, we put conditions on it. Well, that would, that would make me feel better. I mean, that's- Yes, there, there, there is a, there is a very specific clause that says that Requiring that any future enlargement or alteration or use be accompanied only with the approval of the board of adjustment. So we are allowed to tell him that he's allowed one car a week, and if he goes over one car a week, he has to come back here and get permission. Now, based on what you're saying, he's an upstanding gentleman, and one would think that he would come back if he got to, you know, seventeen, he would get a commercial, he would get a garage, he would get a garage, and he doesn't wanna go back to work. Yeah, we don't want anything to be noticed in our neighborhood. We're very picky on our property, except for my weeds defense right now, so I apologize to you. And we don't, we wanna maintain that. Yeah. We take pride in what it looks like from the front. We just want to do it legally, of course, so he's not in trouble with the government. That makes sense. So just for your information a home detailing business is considered a commercial e-e- Is registered under commercial wastewater because though it is not residential, however, the NHDES allows an exemption for thirty, less than thirty cars per week So you would, you would have to do it. You would have to file a form. It takes a week. Even if you're doing one, though, you do have to file an HDS just to let them know because the second you start having, the second you have one car in there and somebody's paying you to do it, you're gonna have to You could get in trouble for it, so just, you know, I'm hearing that you want to do everything right. There, there is an exemption for third, less than thirty cars per week that doesn't require you to have any type of runoff. Or any, any control over it, so you can run off into your yard. If you're going beyond thirty cars, you, you may, you're gonna run into some issues However, you can also get an inflatable system, I'm not sure if you've seen those, which allows zero waste water. Drive the car on, fill it up, and then there's zero runoff. I have two of them. So and- Can you have an inflatable system where you can drive your car on, you can wash your car, and you can dispose of that water? Yeah, I use it in the wintertime inside my garage so it doesn't ruin the smell from the smell. But I was gonna ask if you have a train inside your garage. You don't have a train inside your garage, right? You don't have a train. I don't have a train. so I just, I'm trying to give you some information just for your just so you have that. But yes, if you're less than three cards, you don't need any type of collection system or discharge system, you are allowed to drain it into your yard. So, so based on that information, I mean, the state is all for me being able to wash a car, and you're talking of limiting me to one car a week. just, just keep in mind, you have, you have to go to them and register with them, yeah, and they're gonna ask you specifically what chemicals you're gonna be using to clean with, 'cause that's part of it, but so just to Just for everybody's information, in case you don't know, it's car soap. All other chemicals aren't getting around. I understand brake dust, but the amount is so small that it's not detrimental. You get more, you pick up more brake dust driving down the road on your own vehicle than I would clean up, than I would clean off. It's- I mean, it's easier to say that, but is the one that controls that? So you just have to let them know if you literally tell them it's Dawn dish soap, then it, then you register and you've done everything that you need to do. So, so DES is going to require him to register whether he does one car or thirty-five, correct? And he has to turn, he has to turn over the information on the chemicals And it'll prevent you from doing any eng-engine degreasing, so you won't be able to do that. However, however, again, I'm trying to give you some more information, because you have the inflatable system If you were to wash on that, you could do pretty much as many cards as you want, you can do pretty much whatever you want because you're not allowing that, that discharge off. So just, just for information for you to have. so Bob, yes he's gonna, he would have to register. So one of the stipulations we could put on that would be that you'd need to register with the NHDES, which you legally have to anyway for the type of business you're running. If we were and turn, and turn in the, the, the list of chemicals that the DES requires, we wouldn't even need to put that as a stipulation, because you said what I'm going with that is that maybe part of the stipulation, if it is approved, is to give a copy of that application with the MSDS and the thing to the neighbors Okay, that makes sense. Because the concern is, in my note is MSDS sheets, the concern is, is what is biodegradable and what is right and what is wrong. So if you transition to DES, it, quite frankly It appears that that business or that line of business is regulated by the DES, which is awesome. I didn't realize that. And they have a set, they have set criteria. So if he's turning in and using arsenic And they say no, then no. Yeah. Can I just ask a clarification question before the board comes to a conclusion? So if we do produce the documentation stating that we have covenants within the, the neighborhood, stating that no businesses are allowed within the neighborhood, that is going to override your decision, correct? Yes, we cannot override a covenant. And how can we appeal if that is the case? Like, who would we go to? There's no appeal. What I would do is simply just send a letter the ZBA sending here is the covenant. The covenant says no home business. Building inspector. The building inspector will not, will deny the permit. Right, and they won't be able to provide a permit. Yeah, it still has one more step to go. It's not done here. He's not done, done. He's got, he still has to go in front of the building department, or whomever. but yeah, if, if, if the covenant says it, it, it happens all the time. The condos go, I want to put in the pool, didn't get permission for the condo association, they come back and say, no, they say no, it's over. Yeah, yeah. It trumps everybody. Yeah, yeah. Okay? Good? Are we good with testimony at this time? I feel like we're taking up everybody else's time. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, that's why we're here. No, no, no, we're here for the, the same reason. I'm just mad 'cause I wash my car every day, so I'm kind of like, well, you know, and I think, I think what's really important, and, you know, a-aside from the location, et cetera, et cetera, is that as residents And as property owners, you have the right to wash your cars on your, on your property. And if you have two or three cars in your, in your family, you're gonna be washing two or three cars maybe a couple of times a week, who knows? but it's not, and he does, you know? So I mean, it, it, it, you know, it really have to kind of like put the situation in perspective, right? It's hard, I know. Well, that's why I said that's why they wash their cars more than anyone I know. It doesn't bother me when they're dirty, it doesn't bother me at all. It's, you're not making a business of it, that's why we're here. That's the perspective. That's gonna be your, yep, that's gonna be your take care of. Okay. So we are gonna move on now to deliberating on this particular matter. who would like to go first? Capacity of existing or planned community facilities. How will not adversely affect the following capacity or of existing or planned community facilities? There's no effect on the plan There's no effect on community facilities. affecting the character of the area Well, unless he starts burning his lawn, which you better not, because I heard it's immaculate. And shouldn't be any effect on the area, providing he uses the chemicals approved by the NHDPS. So we'll put that in, yeah, we'll put that in this condition. Yep, that's absolutely. Okay. any affecting the traffic on roads and highways in the immediate vicinity. I think it's so low vol-volume that it's, it, it wouldn't affect, no. in terms of con-conditions, should we decide to approve this? What conditions would you place on this matter? All right. So the standards applicable to the special exceptions under two oh six two one of them is controlling the location and number of vehicle access points So we don't, we have-- that's why I asked them specific, specifically. so there's no additional access points required, all will be constructed. So you're using your driveway, you're not putting in another driveway. The increasing the number of off-street on-site parking, there's no additional parking required, you have the parking you need Just be able to do it there'll be so there'll be, there'll be limiting, we'll be not increasing the number of off-street parking, no signs, as he stated in his application, there'll be no signage I'm sorry, make sure I'm clear about that. No signage, commercial lighting or outdoor storage. No, that's, that's important to me. The commercial lighting I'm sure they have a lighting bylaw in town, so if you're gonna put any lighting up, it has to be I'm sure it's gonna be dark sky compliant or something like that for this town. oh, we can say, we can say no, no, yeah, just, I, I think the no signage, commercial lighting or outdoor storage. Yep. Period. And by outdoor storage, I mean outdoor storage of a pallet of cleaner. If you got a jug outside, it's a different animal or a five-gallon bucket. Requiring that any future enlargement or alteration accomplished only with the approval of the board of adjustment, I think that is a condition that we should consider if we approve it because You know, the question becomes is when he gets to thirty cars and if he, you know, no, well, listen, I know, I know, you know, I'll have six people in my house on a Sunday washing cars, that's what we do, so, you know, gonna get a permit Yeah, I'm all over that. yeah. I'm sorry, could you could you just refer me to what, what page? It's two hundred and six, forty-seven, two hundred and six, two. Thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Yeah, I just want the verbiage here. Okay. So the, the, the, the wild card is about specifying the standards for operation of the special exception so that'll be no more objectionable to the neighborhood by reasons of noise, odors, vibrations, flashing lights, or hours of operation. So is, like I asked you, what, what would be the hours of operation? I mean, are you gonna do nine to three? Are you gonna do ten to ten? We, we want to, I, I, I don't want, I do this for a living and I don't like the calls later on with Johnny's out there with his tr- with his tractor-trailer or with his, with his, you know, excavator, and he's out at ten o'clock at night, and he's like, "cause I can't." So I think between the DES thing and limiting hours of operation, I'm not saying you can only do it between twelve and one, but what would be your standard? Are you up at four thirty in the morning? Are you an early bird? Unfortunately, yes, but probably Again, hours of operation maybe eight to four. However, if I'm not done at four and I'm inside my garage, do I have to start working again? No, no, that's-- I, I think it's, I think it's exterior noise, odors, and vibrations is what I would consider it, and I would think that normal working hours would be seven to five. And then if you're inside, you're inside, you're in the garage, do whatever you want. And I can stop out. Yeah, I think, I think the challenge there would be, are you going to be accepting, you know, cars that- Five o'clock and working on them until nine. That, that would be the issue related to hours of operation. For example Because my driveway faces southeast and I don't get any shade until about five thirty in the afternoon, I will wash my cars at five thirty-six and done by seven-ish. I understand what I'm saying, I'm throwing it as an example. Should that be part of the business hours or the personal? That's your personal business. So there wouldn't have to be something distinguishable. I mean, to agree that that would be a condition that you wouldn't have Be operating the business side of this, the home business beyond a certain, before a certain hour or beyond a certain hour. Okay. And can I just ask, where would these people be while the car is being detailed and serviced? Like, is there a waiting area that's gonna be a part of your business, or are they just gonna be, it's just a drop-off? Yeah, it takes days. So they're gonna have somebody get it? It's a full day and two days. It takes me over three days to do a car. Okay. Good. All right. I was in operation. yeah. What, what verbage do we wanna use for I was trying to see if I can find the exact piece. I was at the day for- I think you're the last one. No, it isn't. I gotta do self-storage, guys. All right. Easy peasy. Okay, registration with the Department of Environmental Services, NHDES. Yeah. Correct for approval of wastewater Discharge permit or exception. Okay. in accordance with water, water discharge, water discharge, waste, waste. Thank you, thank you, waste. And it's I think it's in accordance with W D dash W or D W G B, and then twenty-two dash W D, okay, dash water, yep D W, all right. G B dash 22-10. I don't even know what that is. Doesn't even sound like a rule. Okay, w- okay, let's go back. Services for approval of waste, waste water discharge, waste water discharge. Okay. Permit, permit exception. and I think it's limited. I think we got to limit the vehicles. Okay. If he's saying three days, and I don't disagree with you, I mean, I think it's got to be like two a week. We don't want a hundred there a week. They don't want a hundred, I don't want a hundred. So, I mean, if you wash this car two more times a week Well, if you had two a week, so anything over two a week, you will be required to come back to the board and seek, and seek a A modification to your permit. Okay, can I ask a question clarifying? So you're saying most automobiles take you three days to do, is that-- is, did I hear you correctly in saying that? Depends on When I do my own vehicles and I, you're clean from beginning to the end of the ceramic coating, it's a good three point six. But I would ask the board to consider the number if I'm Supposed to make a living doing this, how is two cars gonna be sufficient? So you tell, you tell us what is your, what are your thoughts here? I mean, I would shoot for three, but limiting me to two would not be Could be my bills. Would you, alright, well, we will put that down that that is the request three cars per week. Didn't it say one in the application? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's no more than one one customer vehicle at a time on site was the word on that. That was the wording. That was the wording. There's nothing that says I can't work seven days a week, correct? Correct. No, there's nothing, there's no, I'm not, we're, we're just trying to, we're trying to strike a balance here between want to do and what your neighbors are concerned about, which quite frankly, they have legitimate concerns. Yeah. I, I know it sounds, it sounds odd to someone who likes to wash cars, 'cause it sounds odd to me. But, but it, you know, the MSDS sheets, biodegradable material, that's, that's stuff that I understand it's soap too, but You know, and that's going to go to yes, correct. And HDES, correct. So you're, you're gonna, no matter what, you have to go to that order, okay? Okay. Otherwise, yeah. Okay. so are we in agreement that a condition would be three automobiles per week, but only one on site at a time. One on, with one on site at a time. One on site at a time. Okay. All right. I don't necessarily agree with the three. Okay, go ahead. What are you thinking? I mean, six, six. Yeah. I, no, I mean, you're not wrong. I think, I think, you know, six is reasonable. Oh, six a week? Yeah. It's, it's like, it's essentially one a day, a-and you know, I think that that, I think that's reasonable. I, I think three is unreasonable. That's just my opinion. Okay. You know, if I may, I, I'm honestly trying my hardest to make this out so that it doesn't affect the neighborhood at all. Yeah, and I work in healthcare, so a-all your concerns are my concerns. I mean, so that's why the lawn isn't dead. Listen, I think he starts with three, and if his business thrives and they don't wanna move it to somewhat commercial, he can come back for the exemption or come back for the modification, and the fight gets started again. I think you gotta listen, he's a, he's a sole proprietor with no employees, is what he said. Yeah. So he's a sole guy, he's doing it himself. Cleaning a car for me takes all day, and I'm not waxing it and ceramic coating it, and that is a process. You said three. Did you say three a week? Yeah. That doesn't work. Can we negotiate, can we negotiate for four? Can we say four then? When, when I say three a week, that would be full detail from Washington to Saranac Lake. Yeah, yeah. If he's just doing a wash and he's not doing detail inside, that's why I, I think, I think that's- Okay. But you can't wash your cars for two days. All right. So you wash, you can't wash those ones. Two One car per-- one car at a time. One car at a time. Can we, can we say vehicle? One vehicle. Yes, we can. Yes, vehicle. Non-commercial. Oh, I don't want to touch commercial. No, non-commercial. Non-commercial, yeah. You're not gonna do my tractor trailer. Well, I would like you to do it, but you won't be able to do that anyway because the, the NHDS would have an issue with that, because then he doesn't have a dis-- a wastewater discharge holding tank. For the chemicals that would come off of the commercial vehicles. Very good. See that? Okay. Save the environment. So we don't know about the limitations. Oh, I don't know what we're-- We have six over here, we have three over here. Where we gonna be at here in terms of limitations or conditions? I mean, six is starting to sound like a car wash. I mean, I, I, I think, I, I think for all intents and purposes, I think we started three. If business takes off, he's got a decision to make. Yeah. That's really what we started with, is he doesn't wanna make it a commercial vehicle, he would move it out and go do something else. I think you start with three, and if his business takes off and he, and he ends up, you know, doing, getting calls for thirty a week, then he's, he's moving up Yeah. I agree with that. I agree. Listen, if three works for you, and it works for him, and everybody's happy, and he asks for one more, and everybody says they can go, go do another one, and everybody's happy, then that's a whole different animal. I, I understand where, where your concerns are. I do. I understand where everything is, but I think, and you guys are great neighbors, and, and the worst thing that happened is everybody took the, the whole thing to fall apart over 'cause the guy wants to wash someone's car. Don't come to my house on Sunday 'cause you're not getting car wash. So, so I would like to just negotiate a, a point of, of here. You know, you're saying three, you're saying six, I think we should come in at four. So that's like Two days per car or something along those, those lines, something like that. And just so you're aware, you can come back in, yes, you can, for to be able to do more. Well, when you get four, if you're doing steady four or five, six a week, you're not doing it at your house anymore. No. You know what I mean? You're going, you're going, you're getting your rent in it, you're renting it, you're renting the self storage unit off of that guy over there, and you're gonna put self storage in wherever over I'm not in agreement with the four, I'm in agreement with the three. You wanted, you know, one, two, and now we're at three. You get nine, but I think, I think three is, I think three is the marker. Alright, we're not gonna play with that. They're happy with it, they can control it. He's happy with it, he can make a living out of it, or at least start making a living, if things, you know, and then let the neighbors be neighbors. Okay, very well. If you don't wanna ruin the neighborhood I mean, I don't want to fall down on, on this matter just because of the number of cars that we're talking about here. All right. other conditions? I got nothing. I got nothing. The DES permit in registration along with the chemicals or whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, the soaps he's using, no additional access points No additional off-street parking, no signage, no lighting. If future expansion goes before the ZBA, no lighting Is it too late to say one more thing or not? Can, can I, let me just-- No hazardous materials. He wrote that in there. I wanna keep that in there. I know the MSDS sheets, but let's say with no hazardous materials just in case. Alright. no signage, no, no lighting, and no outdoor storage. Go ahead, sorry. I'm not a well guy, but I don't know if like we're on the same aquifer, aquifer. Like, is all that water pulling out of my well too, also? I don't know how your wells are structured. You have your own well? I don't know. We have our own well. All our neighbors have their own well. So if we're tapping off the same water source, isn't it gonna run our wells dry? I don't know that. I don't know it either. Just, just something I was thinking about. I mean, we, I work out in Hampstead, and the wells are running dry all the time, so yeah, there are issues with that. no additional access, no lighting, no hazardous materials used, no signage, no No signage, no commercial lighting, no outdoor storage. Oh, storage. Okay. All right. Alright then. So we need a motion. And I, I will, I will write the motions of approval. Oh, last thing, hold on a second, sorry, one more thing. The permit or the special exception, right? Special exception? Yeah. Does not go, does not go with the land. Right. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right. That's the most important. Yeah, just not from me. And no employees. And on Tuesday, you have to cook me lunch. Okay. But on Saturday, we have beers in the fridge. I have irrigation that I run, which uses way more water than washing a car. It, it seems like people aren't reaching at this point. Okay. Well, nobody's reaching. Okay. Okay. Alright. Alright, sir. Thank you. All right. If you make the motion, I will read the, the, the conditions. okay. I grant, I mean, I grant. I'm sorry. I make a motion to grant the special exception. Hold on one second, let me read that correctly. I know what everybody does. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Special exception and to terms of Article Two, Section two oh four point three dash R one of the New Boston Zoning Ordinance, the applicant is Mark Cloutier, the property located at Fifteen Page Lane, owned by Mark Cloutier, Cloutier, I'm sorry, Revokeable Trust, Tax Map Lot two oh four oh forty-seven dash zero zero zero. In the Residential One, our one district, the applicant has requested permission for a special exception operating a home business in the Residential One district. The home business shall be a vehicle detailing business With the following conditions that the hours of operation are limited to seven AM to five PM. Outside, exterior. Our sort of opera-- of exterior operation Right, he's in his limited to seven AM to five PM. reg- registration with the Department of Environmental Services for Approval of wastewater discharge permit or an exemption. to limit a number of vehicles to the business to one Vehicle, non-commercial, of three per week. Not one vehicle at a time. One vehicle at a time, non-commercial. Total three a week. No. You know, additional access driveway access, no lighting, no hazardous materials, no signage, no storage That the special exception doesn't run with the land, and that there be no employees. You'll be getting a copy of this. Alright. So, second. Okay. All in favor. Aye. The special exception is approved, thank you, with these conditions, and we'll get that to you. the neighborhood concerns will have to be handled in another venue. I think a lot of it was addressed honestly with the, the stipulations you put on it. Thank you. Yeah. So I, I appreciate the discourse and civic engagement, and thank you for your time volunteering, like, that's a big, big sacrifice. So thank you. We're looking for members. If you're interested. There you go. I'm leaving. You're on, Jen. Yeah, he's leaving. Well, my girl just got a boyfriend, so my, my, yeah. Oh, no. That was kind of just taking it over. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming Alright. Last, last but not least, alright. we have an application for a special exception to terms Article two, section two o four point two of the new Boston zoning ordinance. The applicant is New Boston Self Storage LLC, the property located at one seventy-five Ware Road, owned by New Boston Self Storage LLC, tax map lot Number two two three dash zero one one dash zero dash zero dash zero. In a small-scale planned commercial COM district, the applicant is requesting permission for a special exception to expand the existing self-storage facility. Thank you. Okay. You wanna put a board up? We're good. You may, sure. no, yeah, no, let's not do that. I don't think, I don't think anybody needs to see on the board, right? We're putting in an extra unit, we're putting in a forty-five hundred square foot additional unit, right? Unit number six. Yes. Okay. Expansion unit six. Expansion of unit number six. Yeah. All right. So I'll just read through my thing. No, go for it. Okay. Jacques, we'll end on the survey that's helping the the Boston self storage with their application process. We did go before the planning board and withdraw that application because we were told we had to come back to see the zoning board. got on the board a little bit. So here we are. what we're doing is an ex-- it's an application to expand the existing Rental units storage units. the sixth building adding forty-five hundred square foot addition to the rear of that. It's one hundred and fifty feet long. See the area addition will be located in the area prepared during the expansion of the last job in twenty twenty-three. So the site work is pretty much all done, all buttoned up out there. They anticipated this, this leap forward. They did it two years ago. Yeah, yep, yep. So reading through the criteria if you want number one, the capacity of the existing plant community facilities, i.e., police fire, the facility is obscured by electric gate, accessed by a keypad, the curb cut remains the same, and there's minimal lighting throughout the facility. the char- character of the area affected. there are six buildings on site already opposite an existing commercial property. The additional unit will be attached to the west end of the existing building. It will be visible from Ware Road, but will be similar to the existing structures. third, traffic on road On highways in the im-immediate vicinity. The site will continue to be accessed by state-approved curb cut, the permit will be updated to include the expansion of the facility, but the increase of use will will be minimal We've been out there four times, I've never seen anybody in there besides us. Yeah. that's pretty much it. It's just the formality of going and asking for an expansion. Kai's question. Sure. So this is building six, sixthish, the sixthish, the sixth one. Yes, the sixth one. All right. Has that, was this always originally shown on the original plan board decision? No. Was it all-- So how much, what was the original decision like two, and then it was added another couple, and this is like the last one? Oh, like the first one. Started off with one, one unit, and then you, and you do it every time you get one, you add it, you do another planning board decision. Okay. Alright. is there any particular on the planning board decisions ever, have they ever conditioned the number of units that you supposed to have? Yep. Okay. Alright. Alright, he's working within the parameters of the project. Yep, that's-- I'm just, I'm just making sure there isn't something there that I'm, I'm gonna get my button or ring or on. If you don't mind me asking. Okay. All right. So it has the gate, you're coming in, I know where you're putting it out back there, that's been leveled off last year, you're outside the wetland buffer. We will be addressing that at the at the planning board. Okay. Yeah, they had a CVP for the last addition and we'll be addressing that again with the change of that. That sounds good. That was one of the issues I had. You got plenty-- Oh, that's planning board. I can't touch that. Okay. I'm gonna leave it alone then. Stormwater management plan. Alright, I have nothing further. what is the special exemption that you're actually asking for? Were you limited on the number of the amount of square footage you could previously have? Is that what- I think it was condition was put on the original. Approval. It was that anytime they wanna do an expansion, they have to come back to zoning and one on the Boston zoning, yeah, anytime you expand, you have to come back before you- I have that in my other town. Every time the guy puts in a bigger self-storage, he has to come back. Pain in the butt, but- It keeps under the cover, keeps under wraps. So I will say, you know, I'm sorry. No, go ahead, yeah. so I, as I drive by all of the time, I, I just happen to notice that there was a lot of just newly disturbed land behind that number six. Yeah, I'm going with a pad for it. Okay. So you're gonna be putting the pad there. Thank you very much for that. the driveway had already been approved by the planning board to go into the buffer. The last application. For the last application, and now they're gonna have to give you another one. Yeah, you don't have the option again, because you can't-- I noticed the addition of the ciltation fence is gonna be there. Any other plans for plantings or anything like that to prevent runoff? I know there are no, I know there are questions that will happen there, but- Yeah, the planning board, yeah, we have-- they, they haven't discussed it with the planning board. Okay. This is actually, we, we started this in January, so we didn't see the ground until the cycle, so, yeah, yeah, and then we, we withdraw our application. Okay. Yeah, I, I, you know, the runoff from the, the drainage from the roof will also be addressed, I'm sure, by planning into the wetland buffer, et cetera. Great. Okay. One, two, three, four, five, six, so it's seven. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's, yeah, it's an expansion of the sixth one. It's not like a separate building like the other ones are separate? Right? So this is actually, it's attached. It's, yeah, it's attached. It's actually two buildings have been added onto it, so this, this one here is gonna be attached to the last building. Yeah. There's no gap between them. No, you have to move. Oh, there is. Not on the plan. Not on the plan. no, that's, that's a site plan. He doesn't have to show a gap. Yeah, no, but no, I don't think he doesn't have to show a gap. No, kidding me? All right, okay. Okay. So we know that this has been, you may want to just update that for the time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. So we know that it's been approved as a storage area facility, and this is simply an expansion request for expansion. Go ahead Nick, are you ready? Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, I don't think all the other special exemptions for storage everything is all covered for tonight's meeting. Okay. I'm going to make a motion to, well, wait a minute, I'm sorry, before we have a butters. I'm sorry. Yep. Oops. No butters. Sorry. Other concerned citizens? Nope. You're not concerned? You're not concerned? Go ahead. No, sorry. I can turn that to the right. Go ahead. Hi, sorry. I want to make a motion to grant special exception in terms of Article Two, Section two o four two of the New Boston Zoning Ordinance, the capital-- the applicant is New Boston Self Storage, LLC, for property located at 175 Way Road, owned by New Boston Self Storage, LLC, tax map lot two twenty-three dash O eleven dash zero dash zero dash zero, in the small scale planned commercial district, C O M The applicant is requesting permission for a special exception to expand the existing self, self-storage facility with an approximate forty-five hundred square foot Building located in the southwest corner of the lot. Second. All those in favor? All right. All those opposed? No, wasn't you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Oh, thanks for having us. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry, sorry the car wash thing went. All right. Oh, that poor guy. I was gonna point out there's no car wash. excuse me, wait. Would you please shut that off now? Oh, well, no, we're, we're, we're actually now we have to adjourn the meeting. Have a great- Oh, no, we have other business. Sorry, you're on camera. I just wanted to point that out. Have a great Thank you. Thank you. All right, sorry about that. Okay review of the amendments, I think I would like a motion to adjourn this to the next meeting. I would like- Motion to table it, yes. Thank you. I'll second that. All opposed? Aye. Aye. Thank you. Any unfinished business? No. Any new business? CBD apps, no. Communication, blah, blah, blah. Other business? Yes, I have other business. And that is related to harassment training? Yes. Okay. We are required to do this? I haven't asked the background of it, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna make an assumption this is related to our insurance and so it is mandatory we have to, to do it. So please It is online, and if you haven't gotten the email yet, I will make sure that you get it. I, I saw, I think I saw it. Yeah, and there's a password within the whole nine yards, so there's all of that. And Bob, I guess you're not gonna be I don't have to worry about that. I do enough of those trainings to choke a horse. I don't do them for every town. okay. Motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. At 7 57.