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You're cheaper than you.
Well, gentlemen, you know you should apply.
I don't have that kind of brain, and I admit it.
Well.
You can keep going.
Okay.
You guys had a chance to look over the concern agenda?
Oh, yeah.
Will what stuff?
My mind to make a motion?
Second.
All in favor?
Three and another.
At this point, we have public comment number one.
Do you have anybody here that has any.
public comments. We do have a second hearing, prohibit this use of the second
generate road densities. We'll start that in about 15. All right, new business. Planning
West. Some plug from the only anchor on our own fund. You're here for that, Scott Dias,
245 Flanders Road. Speaking on behalf of the Planning Board,
requests to move some funds from a trust fund
to pay for the mailing, for the updating of the master plan, which is long overdue to be updated.
And we want to be sure we can get in as many residents' hands as we can, not just via email.
For instance, the last meeting, we had three people at the meeting that do not do email or iPhone.
So we want to get it as many people's hands as we can to get as most information feedback to us.
to hopefully have, you know, a majority of the town's opinion on what direction things move forward with.
When we put the request in, initially, Capital Region Planning was only going to do a QR code and a postcard scan.
And the board has voted unanimously like this is not an effective way to reach out to most of our Hennifer residents.
And I want to get as broader opinion as we can, not just the,
young tech savvy people and can do a QR code. We beat this quite frequently. Jeff, you're the
Slack Board Representative. You've been in on the meetings and heard it and we want to mail it
for as many people as we can so we can get a good response and we need to be able to provide
the money for the mail. And Diane and Sherry, we could do it, but we just need to ask for the money
and have the board approve it. Yes, the suggested motion is to authorize the expenditure of
$2,0.41 from the only Hennigran Earth Fund for the purpose of planning board mailing of the master plan, town-wide survey.
So moved.
Police facilities assessment committee expenditure request.
I'll speak on that one?
Would you like me?
I missed the last meeting, so.
Would you please?
Um, the police facility assessment committee met on April 28th and the police facility assessment committee met on April 28th and the police.
And they voted to have some work done and it didn't make it to the Board of Selectmen.
Well, Chris, who's on the committee, asked that it get to the Board of Selectmen.
So this is, they made a motion not to exceed $10,000 for Terrain Association.
for plotting on the boundary plan.
So it's really no reason that this shouldn't happen.
So the motion, my comment is recommend the Board of Selectmen authorized expenditure
to terrain planning and design limited to the scope of services item B,
which is right here, conceptual schematic site plan.
site plan, $10,000, and that money would come from the police department site purchase building,
engineering, design, and construction, expendable trust funds.
So the motion on page 56 is a motion to approve expenditure of $10,000 to terrain planning and design.
The scope of services described in item B, conceptual schematic site plans with funding to be withdrawn from the police.
the police department ETF that was established for this purchase.
Do you have anybody with any comments on that?
If we could pitch the purposes.
It's the next step.
But moving forward, I do believe.
What do you think, Paul?
Absolutely.
All right?
Yep.
Who wants to craft up that motion?
We've been sure of $10,000 to terrain planning and design for scope of services described an item B
we just discussed for conceptual, schematic site plans with one would be drawn from the future.
from the first department site purchase.
Building, engineering, and design and construction
expendable trust fund established for this program.
Second.
All right, hold the vote. All in favor?
Basses, three nothing.
We're moving on.
Town Hall and Community Center Paintings bid request.
Diane, you put out a request for some bids for painting.
Correct.
And you got four bids back.
I want to explain just a little bit about
Okay.
The town hall was last painted in 2016.
I'm not actually sure when the community center was last painted.
And the CIP committee identified painting the town building
as the urgent priority.
So we put out a request for bid and we got
four results.
And the highest bid was 68
and the lowest bid was $37,580 for both buildings.
The lowest bid was $37,580 for both buildings.
The low bidder's scope that they presented was limited.
And they are currently getting their
lead, their EPA-led certification.
The
The bids prepared by SertaPro, there are two SertaPro
because they're two different companies.
I think SertaPro might be like a franchise.
They were pretty close.
They were off by roughly $1,000.
And those were very, very detailed.
The boards had a chance to look at these vids.
I don't know if you have any comments on them.
Well, I'm looking at them. The Serta Pearl one,
like you said, very detailed.
The low bidder there was very scarce on the details.
I did call there, I asked for references on the low bidder,
and their references were limited to interior painting,
one exterior painting of a post office in Hollis,
and another that I didn't, I had to leave a voicemail
voicemail and they didn't respond back.
Certipro is very experienced in doing historic buildings.
They're EPA certified.
While the town is exempt from having to follow that certification,
it would be in the town's in the public's best interest
to require a contractor to have that certification,
especially considering proximity to a
built ball field and
and at the community center where we have a lot of community events.
So we would want to make sure it's done properly.
Yeah, I was quite impressed with the CERFRO.
Both with CERCRO, proposals, they were very detailed statements of work.
Page after page.
Oh, yeah.
It's quite lengthy.
One of those, that's kind of one of those,
you had to already had your nap.
Yeah.
But just because of the length of the length of it.
in the detail. What do you think, Neil?
I think they were following the same formula and came up with pretty similar results.
Yeah.
I think six hundred years of large consistency.
There is $16,516 roughly dollars available in the expendable trust fund for the town building maintenance.
Right.
Well, I believe that taking a little better in this situation is really the best interest of the town.
That's...
I'm mostly concerned.
with, you know, it's...
Where it's so vague and it doesn't have a certification.
I'm not sure you understand the scope.
Could come back to bite you pretty good.
Yeah.
It's got to redo it.
What is our pleasure?
Well, I'd be happy with either one of the Cervipro bits.
I understand that the Concord-based,
well, I guess they're not, I guess they're offices in Goffstown.
But the Concord franchise is like $600 more than the other.
But they know the town as well, because they've done...
They're the ones that did a bunch of work for the college, I take on.
The proposal submitted by Lori Woodward, they completed St. Teresa's Church and three buildings on the NEC campus.
One of which was not the Lion Center.
Lion Center, which is still underpainting it.
I see that.
You're painting that for 10 years at least.
They're out of Carthney and Golfstown.
Goddney.
The same standards based on the franchise rules.
They'd be found one.
Yeah.
Yep.
I guess I'd lean more towards the one out of concrete.
Just seeing how they did the work in town already
and we'll get some of the work.
So, somebody want to craft that up.
that up?
There's a motion on page, I'm not sure, page 60 or 61 on your, on yours, but the motion is to
award the painting fitted two.
And from what I'm hearing, assertive-pro-prane painters, submitted by Lori Woodward of Concord,
New Hampshire, in the amount of, and that was $30,840.65 for the town hall.
and 18,60521 for the community center for a total of $49,445.
With funding to come from the town owned,
building expendable trust fund, and to authorize the town administrator to execute
funder agreements.
Excellently correct it.
So I'd say that would be a so moved.
In a second.
All in favor?
Good have done.
Good doing.
Passes three nothing.
Your hearing time.
All right.
We have a minute.
No?
Time for hearing time.
So at this time, under the public hearing.
You can just let the public know that it's been properly noticed.
And this read what the public hearing notice was.
Do we need more chairs?
Yes.
Under the row, there's a seat up.
There's a seat here.
There's three seats.
I'll just have the chairs over here.
There's plenty available.
Three, six chairs.
All right, so we got a public hearing to town of Hennecker, Tuesday, June 2nd,
2026 at 6.30 p.m. at the Hanukkah Town Hall.
It is to prohibit the use of second-generation
for identities on town property.
Per of the 2026 Warren article,
28 voted to firmly, firmly,
by the legislative body, the state, I mean, the Henneker Board of Selectmen will hold a public hearing
on Tuesday, June 2nd at 6.30 p.m.
To hear public comment regarding prohibition of the use of second-generation
anti-quigilant rodenticides on town-owned property.
The public hearing will take place during the regularly scheduled board of Selectmen meeting.
Reference materials will be available with the posted agenda package.
So, that being said, who would like to open it up?
I have it down because I wrote it that, unless they first hold the hand ring
and determine that other remediation efforts as included in the integrated pest management plans
are not effective and the use of poison is the only effective solution to a specific
rodent infestation.
And I don't see that.
Well, that was the warrant article.
That was just, that was just the public notice about the hearing.
And now yours, did you, I'm sorry, the chair,
had her explain why?
Would you like to explain to
explain to everybody what you're after here?
Certainly.
That you...
Would you, for the record,
Oh, sorry.
Maria Colby.
And a resident.
Penic resident.
Okay, I'm asking if other remediation efforts have been taken, or are you going to just go ahead and use the second-generation
without any remediation efforts?
I think we've got a few people here to speak on behalf of the buildings that we use them at.
that we use them at? Chief, did you guys speak on that?
I think that you want to.
If you could.
That's not some of going up there.
So just to give us a backstory, when I came back as chief in 2016, our building was absolutely
infested with mice and rats.
And I think, what's infestation means?
When I watch the lights, flex up and down because the amount of critters are up in there
and the feces and everything everywhere, all in our air system and the furnace, etc.,
It was horrible.
So I reached out to JP Pest because there was one of the local companies at the time.
And they came in and did an outstanding job.
As far as the remediation that goes, other than blocking off access or something along those lines,
I don't know what other remediation there is to do.
We're in a unique location there.
We have a stream in the back and a river across the street and a small metal.
So it's prime location for those kind of roads.
Being a little bit of a germaphore.
that was pretty disgusting what I saw up above with the ceiling tiles and things like that.
So that's why we had them come in and knock on wood, they have it under control.
And I know, having watched them, because there's, like I was curious to know how they do their business.
Anytime that they empty one of those bait stations, it goes into a separate bag and they bring it with them.
So it's not, they're not throwing it out into the field for anything to take over.
Excuse me.
What is they throwing out?
It's not a dialogue.
You talk about remediation, I'm familiar with the building that is not a new problem down there.
Right.
Part of the purpose of this is a tier approach.
There are certain places we can't, like the dumpster, for instance at the dump, you're just going to have to do something down.
When JP came in, it talks about, they consider the environment, the food sources, the accessibility for betting, et cetera.
Do they try sonic traps?
Did they try snap traps?
Do they try?
Well, I know that we did our own snap traps, we remember.
We tried that for years, so that was not effective.
But they also, I mean, them being their J.P. Pestra company, being the expert,
they were able to point out, hey, here's a spot here where they're going to come in.
Here's another spot here where they're coming in.
And it blows up with their, it's tolerable, and it's pretty rare that we have any problems now,
because they're there every month.
I can comment too.
So, um, the town,
uses J.P. Pest Control, and we have an integrated pest management program with
them as our pest control provider. J.P. Pest is regulated and licensed by the state of New Hampshire
to apply rodenticides under the state regulations.
They, part of the integrated pest management program is that they use them only as a last resort tool to protect public health,
public property and critical town operations.
So this letter that they provided to us, anticoagulants would be considered
only after site inspection and after practical integrated pest management measures,
including sanitation, exclusion, harbourage reduction, monitoring, trapping,
and non-anti-coagulant options have been evaluated or attempted to
and determined to be insufficient in other circumstances.
They say they understand why residents are concerned about secondary exposure to wildlife.
That concern is legitimate, and it is one that they take seriously.
Their goal is not to rely on rodenticides as a standing or automatic solution,
but to provide service under careful site-specific program that reduces rodent pressure
while minimizing risk to non-target wildlife pests.
At the same time, responsible rodent management is also a public health obligation.
CDC states that roadant pressure
carry many diseases that spread directly or indirectly to people,
including through contact with rodent droppings, urine, saliva bites,
contaminated food, parasites, ticks, goes on and on.
I don't think I need to read all of that.
It has been available.
And if anybody would like a copy of this letter, I would be happy to give it to you.
This approach reflects the same stewardship principles found in modern rodent management,
best practice frameworks, prevent.
marks, prevention first, risk-based site decisions, use of the least risk effective method,
and avoidance of routine and permanent baiting as a default practice.
They want to respectfully clarify several points that have been raised in recent public discussion.
Professionally managed, secured rodent stations do not create the underlying conditions
that attract or sustain rodents.
Rodent pressure is typically driven by food sources, waste, water, harbourage, and structure.
and structural access points.
While some over-the-counter repellents and consumer products are marketed as alternatives,
we are not aware that these products have been demonstrated to be consistently
effective substitutes for comprehensive professional integrated pest management program.
Transfer Station, town hall, police stations require inspection,
sanitation, exclusion, monitoring, trapping, targeted, label-compliant professional service based on the
based on that.
J-Pest and Hill Terminix supported HB6
consumer access to general court.
Professional use of the sub-overight and accountability
and our view the most effective policy approach is to reduce
unnecessary use, closed consumer and online sales, loopholes,
and preserve trained professionals.
The letter goes on, and what I'd like to say is that
I am not a pest control expert.
I'm the town administrator.
We don't have a pest control expert.
pest control experts, which is why we hire a pest control company to do our integrated
pest management. They talk to us, they give culture of pest control division and provided a lot of...
As far as what went on before I started working there, I don't have, we started using J.P.
I know at one point they were trying snap traps, and those definitely don't work.
They did use some kind of over-the-counter.
If you pest came down, which they needed because not only were the rats,
so bad that they were running around while we were trying to do our job.
But there was a lot of feces on the ground, and they were causing structural damage to the actual grounds.
They were burrowing underneath, and they're starting to fall over,
and, I mean, they were causing, you know, some of the concrete actually, kind of,
and so they had to kind of come in, and it's what I call the nuclear option,
because it was that bad. One of the things they told us is really got to try to keep things
how many people come down there, but we've gotten a lot of compliments of how clean it is down there.
And that helps quite a bit to keep what they've done for us down there.
I can't really speak to any other areas around town, but I know for down there,
it's really, really hard to keep the rats out. I mean, it's just such a huge food source,
and we have water in a river down there as well. We even had a problem with mice. They were nesting
the swap shop right over where the books are, where the toys are, and I don't think anybody
really wants mice going to the bathroom on and put some toys. The kids are taken home.
So we, you know, I had to make a choice there, so we had to do something up there as well.
And they were nesting in our recyclable bales. You know, we pull them out, and now it's then you
find a nest full of little babies. And a lot of that, most of that, I would say 95% of that,
It's just down there. Those other methods were not working, at least from what I saw.
And since they've been there, it's been, again, like Diane said, I am not a pest control expert.
Question for the Chief. Chief, different situation than transfer station. Again, I know the building 20 years worked for similar problems, but dealing with the building that you're in currently.
This letter says integrated and last resort.
I understand integrated as being, like a ladder, you get a series, you get to a point, you're on it last resort.
You hit it with the poisons and the bay traps.
They also talk about not making it routine and permanent.
Have they ever made any effort to back down at all as far as go to other styles of traps?
Yeah, so I remember the amount of bay stations have been reduced over the years because they were no longer active when they were when we had such a problem.
Okay, any other methods?
Can you think of during that time?
To that point, I'm familiar with JP Best Practices I've been using them residentially for 30 years, almost 30 years.
They still do, every time they come to my house, and that's admittedly just the residence,
they do an inspection, see if there's any new points of entry, see if the points of entry they sealed up in the past are still,
valid and that sort of thing. I assume they still do that, that sort of thing.
I get a report every time that they come.
Can you give you a tally of what they're finding or is it just we're searched and...
Typically, they'll evaluate the bait stations, say heavy feeding, heavy feeding,
no signs of, no signs of, you know, insects, no sign I know,
no sign of, you know, carpentry in it, brass or that sort of thing.
May I make another comment?
Sure, can.
My town hall was built in 1786 and it's listed on the next one.
National Register of Historic Places.
The National Pest Management Association and the National Fire Protection Association
estimate that 20 to 25% of fires with an unknown causer linked to rodent damage.
This is because rodents instinctively chew and maintain tooth growth
and electrical wiring gas lines and other infrastructure are common targets.
So that is a reason, a good reason, to keep the perimeter pest control
outside the town hall, minimizing the number of rodents that gets into the town hall.
Chief Oak One, do you have anything to add with your building up there?
I don't want that with the...
They are not on the plan.
It's only...
Oh, okay.
The only three, the only three buildings or facilities, the police station here and the transportation.
We've not had an issue over there.
Oh, you do.
Wayne Colby.
Concern is not so much with JCPAS or with any use of rodenticide.
That's why the article read, the notice of the hearing said to prevent, prohibit the use of
wasn't to prohibit it was without a hearing.
The concern is about we have professionals coming in and using this poison and there's
sending your report every month of what they're doing, but is anybody seeing overseeing?
I mean, it's easy to say, you know, we changed debate, we did this, we did,
but does anybody really know what's going on?
Chief French talking about, overseas, you talked about some oversight, we went out with them,
and saw what they did and asked them, that's the first I've heard of anybody actually,
and Diane, I don't know, as you said, you know.
know, as you said, you know, I'm an expert, so I don't know what kind of oversight you could do.
Well, neither is the police chief.
No, but he's gone out with...
But he's made the effort.
I think what's being said here is, I respect that we don't know exactly when they're coming in
and when they're rebating, et cetera.
But if the transcript...
Every month.
Oh, we know it's every month.
Do we know what day, what time?
Yeah, we have to sign.
It's usually...
I have to physically sign, so...
Yeah, they'll send it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
for it and they speak with us.
Yeah.
Do they speak with you before they do their inspection?
After they do them.
After.
Okay, if it's both with you, it's not what it takes.
You guys are busy, but this is a hot issue.
Here is, oversight's important to the people in town.
What I recognize is you've got a rat problem.
The two meet because you've got somebody doing the job, but do you know other than the report,
and I have filled out plenty of reports in my time too.
my time too. Somebody always read my reports. That's what you guys are doing. Unless they were there
with me. And then it was more checked to make sure I included everything. Can we get a walk around
once in a while? I'm not saying every time, but just to make sure they're at least doing what they say
they're doing, and we can validate that. And it's, again, I recognize it's extra man hour or whatever
it takes to do the site, but it can answer some of the questions in the public, too. This is, again,
it's a hot issue.
The rodenticides are not fully going away. Even if we take them out of the consumer market,
they're still going to be a use for them at some point. Plenty of farmers, plenty of lumber mills in town, etc.
There are areas that rodents are going to collect. There are creatures that deal with that,
but again, transfer station is a buffet, and it's always going to be a buffet, because that's what we do.
We put our trash in a bin, and that odor. It's there. We may not smell it.
their senses a lot more. So I'm seeing both sides of the argument, but I also see the concerns.
I know enough animals around that have died as a result of it.
Maria and I had a talk after the town meeting. I'm sympathetic to overuse,
but I also respect that there is a use, and that's the hard part.
If we have, if they know that we are following and watching, if they're professional in doing their job,
they've got nothing to hide. They'll encourage that, I would think.
Well, I don't, I don't think they have anything to hide. I mean, I use them.
I get a half a dozen properties. I use them at.
And they email you the day before they're coming.
So if you want to be there, which I have a property guy, he'll go there if he's around, and he'll be with him.
And then when they're all done, they send you a very detailed report, and I've never had a better problem with them.
And as time has gone on, they get to...
the whole environment's under control, they do start pulling fake stations out and limiting it that way,
so it's not like it's a free-for-all type of atmosphere. I do think they're very responsible in the way they do it.
Do you guys have any objection to us having them walk, or having an employee walk with them,
just to get, even to get familiar with where the traps are and what they're using. It doesn't have to be the chief,
it doesn't have to be the superintendent. But if we can spare the 30,
minutes to walk around with them as they do there. It gives oversight. It puts some of the tension
to rest is one of the things I'm concerned about because we do have townspeople that have concerns
about it. Wayne. Neil, thank. And also asking them if they are doing anything to minimize the harm
to Waddley. And not only to Wad, I know. Pets and children as well. Children have been sickened by
There are reports in the state of it. I couldn't get the reference. I checked out.
Yeah, we know. And that's one of the other things I would ask,
that some kind of notice of signs maybe where the baits are or letting, just so people,
I mean, there are kids out here now, and there's a playground out there.
And if the bait boxes around the building, are there any notices that it's there?
There's one there?
Given a bear couldn't get into them.
Somehow, kids, I'm not saying it's the same bait or same level, but the state reports
a number of children that were sickened by getting into these bait bar. I don't know.
Now, is it a case that they get into the bait boxes or you have Farmer Ed over here
that just has the whole pile of stuff and they just kind of throw it out the reports I read
in detail. You know, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I understand. I mean. I mean, the summer.
Don't we have a responsibility to the best we can now.
Oh, we do.
But just to let people know that, I mean, until this was brought up in town meeting,
I don't know how many people in town have come to us and said they didn't know the debate boxes were here,
right next to the baseball.
You know it's here, and their kids run around here all the time.
So it's just looking for a little more of a safe, a little more,
the transparency about what's going on,
and asking the professionals if there have any.
actions they can take to minimize the damage to, I understand the road and problem, we live by river.
Oh, yeah, you know.
So we know.
From here, do you want me there?
Well, and the thing is, the video camera is, can't pick you up over there.
Joan O'Connor, Echo Lane.
I just did some bullet points. I didn't write it in a letter form.
And I've read over all of your information that was in the agenda.
many pamphlets that you can click on them and read about all this on the agenda.
My first question is JP Pest.
I saw where they had a financial statement of what they bill you,
and it said $3,600.
Is that per month or is that per year?
Per year.
That's all we're giving JP to do all those buildings.
They come monthly, and the annual cost for town hall is $996,
since Department 14, 16.
and the transportation $1,20012.
Well, I was surprised it was that cheap.
And I still kind of question it.
The contract.
But that's public information, right?
We can see their whole contract and stuff.
We can ask for all their documentation.
Can we look at it as power, what do you call it,
a Freedom of Information Act?
Can we request all that stuff?
Is there a packet, a file on JP in there?
We would assemble a packet of what we have.
Okay.
Somebody required.
requested.
Okay.
Next point.
In one of their, in his letter, he mentioned the hanta virus that they're trying to cut back on the
exposure of us to this salmonella and whatever.
And I read that there are no confirmed cases of hantavirus in New Hampshire.
So he's kind of scaring us throwing out because we were all reading about it because people
were dying from it out west or whatever and all these ships and stuff.
So I didn't like it in his letter, per se.
Also, I've been in the
hanging around a lot of recycling industry for years.
I've been on, you know, I've been to conferences and workshops for years.
I'm not new to this.
Northeast Resource Recovery Association, we're, as a municipality, we're a member of it.
And now it's called New Hampshire Recycle.
They have workshops, they have consultants.
I went to a lecture about vector control.
So I've learned about this decades ago.
So it's, you know, it's fascinating.
To me, I know, I've kept my ear on this stuff.
So when Maria started talking about the warm,
an article. It's like, yeah, let me on it. So, you know, random question, Grange Hall.
Who does the Grange Hall? Is it the food pantry or the, uh, the athletic committee? Do they do
their own pest control? The town does not pay J.P. Pets do it themselves?
Well, I know we're not paying anybody to do it. Well, you should be overseeing it because you're in
charge of that building. So if you don't know if there's anything going on there. I'm not paying
anybody to do it. Matt, have you seen Matt any, uh, rodent activity? We haven't had a complaint
of road. Matt is the manager and not throw Matt under the bus, but he...
But with the food pantry there, you think that it would be an attractant. So that's why I was
curious if they were taking care of it themselves and putting out stuff. And just two more
quick points. Wendy Barry, over in Barrington, has a business called Ratology. She does conferences.
She has a whole business in Maria's packet. They have a birth control for rats now.
So we should be maybe being birth control of some of these sites.
She also has a team of rat terrier dogs.
And you can watch the video of their tearing into under chicken coops.
Those dogs are so excited. They grab those rats. They shake them and then they pile them up.
It would be 30 dead rats. And also, I just wanted to make sure this was hit me when I first saw the person.
Maria can address the reversal. And then in closing, when Wayne was talking about this at town meeting,
he mentioned that he would watch Maria cry. She would be holding and
or an eagle or, you know, some raptor while it was dying. So she was crying. She
deals with this. And it's a vicious cycle that we're putting out poison. And then people
are finding these birds walking around and go to the fellow. And they take them to Maria.
And she has to deal with it. So I'm glad that she's done this program.
To my chair and committee, my name is Eric Orff. I am a Ruthen of Epsom, New Hampshire,
not Hemisphere. However, I have had some experience with Waelic and my half-seman.
as a certified wildlife biologist in New Hampshire. And of recent times, what we're finding
is problems in some of our mammals. Maria certainly is well experienced with our raptors,
but Dr. Needle at UNH did a, two winters ago, did a study of fisher carcasses from several
the England states, New York and Pennsylvania, by the way, were New Hampshire trappers
over a three-year period, transferred 200 Fisher to Pennsylvania to restore population there.
So I have experienced as a Wally biologist and a fur bearer biologist. But what is, if you look at the handout here, if you look in the 80s,
trappers were taking upwards of a six, eight hundred, nine hundred fisher. Two years ago, they took seven.
So we are losing our ground cutters, not only avian cutters, but our ground cutters. So anything this town or any town can do to reduce the exposure to these second generation
rhodensicides would be good. We're actually late in my fisher, raccoon, foxes,
all the numbers are down compared to what they were when I was the fur bear biologist for three
decades within the next. The situation, rodenticides seem to be plain some factor, you know,
Dr. Needle did do that study, and actually in that study, in the Hampshire,
New Hampshire Fisher had the highest dose.
UNH, Fishing Game has funded, and I've been retired from Fishing Game for 19 years, so I'm not a
a fishing game employee or state employee. I'm here on my own behalf, but with some experience
and concerns, mostly concerns, and anything we do to reduce the exposure. You mention these
stations right near the river, every otter, every great blue heron. And, you know, we know that
the road into the size takes several days to die, on distance to water. So every great
blue heron, every river otter, every make, second generation. So a particular
particular, you know, if we can move the bates inside rather than outside, would be a good idea.
So, you know, there are other ways to think about it. We think about our dumpsters, you know,
as a former also bear biologist from New Hampshire. And there were bears getting the dumpsters.
Well, we worked with the town to get bear-proof dumpsters. So maybe we should have a broken chair.
Yeah. We'll have a way of excluding critters from our dumpsters. So maybe there are other things we can also do besides
This thing this town is willing to do, to supervise, to suggest, to recommend that we reduce the impacts of these
rodenticides on our wildlife. And to me, the, it's just a sad state to see us boozy. These species
trapping, you know, you see advertised, you can look onto a vacuum cleaner for mice and that sucks them in and drowns them. You know, I, myself, and my
residents. So there are other methods that work on some species. I have not had to address
any rat issues, although you all you're home from school.
Anyway, so that's my experience with rads as it's shooting at the old dumps in London.
Right. Well, I'm not up on rats, but our furbearers, our fisher, our foxes, compared to several
thousand now dozens to be entrapped at most. So we're in a terrible situation.
Anything we can do to address it would be...
Isn't your target range right over there with a transfer station?
Mr. Chair, may I agree to comment from David Rousseau, who is the director of...
In its May meeting, the New Hampshire Pesticide Control Board,
motion to reclassify Second Generation rodenticides as a restricted use pesticide.
This means a pesticide license would be required to purchase and use that type of rodenticide.
The motion still needs to process through rulemaking, which can take about eight months to a year.
I think I'm not the expert on this, but they are.
To buy them over-the-counter and online without any type of application inspection at a property in Henneker,
and he went in the barn, and they had using JP pest control, using a license applicator is...
Oh, right.
The board could make a statement on intended.
Using a licensed, maybe we should be using them at the Grange and all of our buildings.
And they're going to be moving.
And the moving anyway.
There were the pest control, there were several pest control companies represented there.
And there were other people, and there was a big debate over whether it's the consumer,
the consumers,
hate the use act, understand.
actually understanding what they're doing,
or if it's the pest management companies reliance on the Redenna side
when there were other methods.
So there was a big debate about that and wasn't settled.
We have supported and spoke to the bills in the legislature.
They're trying to get it.
Like Massachusetts has a law that you can't sell this to any.
And we do know licensed applicators
have to get a license every five years.
They have training once a year to keep their license.
And they employ wildlife biologists as well.
Yeah.
So we agree.
Beaum Martin, Henneker resident.
I have two questions.
Point of clarification.
You speak up a little, please.
Sorry.
My voice is...
Can be stronger.
Okay.
You've got the microphone.
I'm seeking two points of clarification.
I'm seeking two points of clarification.
clarification. The first question I have is Diane Kendall has quoted from two letters.
Are both of those letters going to be entered into the minutes of this meeting in their entirety?
They can be. They're also in the agenda materials.
They be in the minutes.
They're also right there. And they're not going, that's not going anywhere.
And the entire, so the heading.
if that's what the board wants.
I don't say the reason not.
It's been brought out as information that we're relying on.
Yeah.
And, yeah.
And my second question.
My second question is,
were those two letters solicited
by any town employee?
And if so, who,
solicited them?
Bill, are you talking?
I brought up an email
from David Rousseau
from the Department of Agriculture.
Yes. And they are subject matter experts, and I solicited their opinion. J.P. Pass letter.
I asked them to be here and be present, and they said they could not be present, and they submitted a letter.
So you submitted it?
I asked them to be present to answer questions about that.
And to guess.
From 492, Liberty Roll Road, and I'm on the Conservation Commission.
And when Maria first wanted to address this topic, she came to our committee to talk about it first.
And when we urged her to put it toward the town on a warrant, what we were hoping to
encourage was for the town to move away from using bait boxes and to try other forms of traps
or other forms of poisons because the issue specifically with the bait boxes is that the rodent
eats the bait and then leaves and goes and dies elsewhere, possibly in your walls,
or hand cast to smell it for several weeks, or out.
where it gets eaten by animals, pets, birds, that sort of thing.
And we have had, like, the rodent problems are getting, like, noticeably worse
as we've had this massive die-off of our rapture and ground predator populations.
So it kind of gets us into the spiral where the rodent explosions get worse and worse and worse
as we have less of the wild management of these animals,
which then leads to more poison, which in less birds and in that vicious cycle.
And so that's really just what we wanted was something other than the bait boxes where the rat
leaves and dies elsewhere.
And so that's why we were really hoping to see either like the birth control poisons or just any
trap that physically traps the rat there and then can be emptied later would be like a big
improvement on the die-off.
So that's kind of what we were hoping for was just.
Like an alternative, it doesn't have to be like, you know, not nothing, a different
trap.
And I will say, like, if somebody who had worked at a lumber mill that had, like, a huge rodent problem
with, like, visible species in the office where I worked to the point where I was wearing a mask,
physical traps were effective for us.
They're a little less effective on the farm where we do resort to shooting them.
But I know that if you put your physical traps in the right location, they can do wonders for you.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
A lot of a biologist that could pave here.
I am a consultant.
I am a biologist by trade.
But how far do rodents travel?
Usually they travel.
Usually rat.
They don't travel very far.
are, okay, within, you see them, those are, again, within a, probably a half and an acre.
Okay, yeah.
Is that what you're looking for?
Oh, I was looking for an expert on mice behavior.
They're consultants and were a member, so you could ask them, would you send someone to do a public
thing at the community center?
Because it's, I mean, you have to be creative.
You have to come up with different baits for those stuff traps.
You just have cat food, dog food, cheese, you know, bacon.
So it's just, it's just, it's an educational.
thing. Let's educate our walking into Edmonds and say, why are you pushing this stuff?
But I know it's a retail store, but it's education.
I'm confused. Do you want the town, the select board, and so forth, do you want us to engage?
Is what you're asking is for us to engage in an education program for the community?
Or are, you know, the point of the warrant article seemed to be to limit the use of second generation
rodenticides.
It sounds like.
heading for a tiered plan?
Well, this is what, I mean, well, all of a sudden we're getting escalation in, in, in, the request.
I see where you're going with it, and I also see.
And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that that's a wrong thing.
I think we need to understand what people are expecting of us.
Diane will brought up bringing in the most, you know, but we didn't bring it up.
But, but, but, you're wanting to, come up.
Yeah, I just, yeah.
But, Mr. Turner, escalated it up to an education program.
Ronnie Hardy, I live on a short drive.
I had a really bad mouse infestation at my house.
I have for years from when I moved in.
And it got, I let it go for a long time.
I tried, you know, live trapping them, and I actually used to let them go at Edmonds in the winter
so that they would live.
Finally, I engaged J.P. Pest because the problem was solved.
And then outside camera was picking up baby foxes and different, because I've seen the mice.
When they get poisoned, they kind of just walk around in a day they're not...
Because he's all my house.
An Adnock Pest because he's a local guy.
So he does an inspection and then he'll do exclusion.
And what he did for me is,
He sealed up the holes that he found, and he put poison inside.
So I have a couple of bait boxes in the house, in the basement.
And if the mice go in, they're not going back out.
There's another way.
There's bait boxes that they go in and they don't come back.
So there are alternatives to...
Electrofusion?
I understand, I understand, you know, like the dump.
Just awareness.
There's not much you can do with the hopper.
There's not much you can do with the hopper.
No, but I think it's just transparency and awareness.
Hi, Grace Cohen from Hennacher.
You've probably seen me walking around with cameras and things.
I spend a lot of time out in the woods.
I do a lot of wildlife nature photography.
Over the years, I have noticed a dramatic decline in most of our fur bearings.
wildlife. Something I discovered this past winter when I was out shooting birds in the snow
really surprised me. And I came across a blue jay that was kind of in the grass, and he hopped
around a little bit. And I was taking some pictures. There were terrible pictures, but I thought,
well, nothing else is going on. When he flew away, I didn't pay attention. I put the pictures
away and didn't look out of them for a long time. What I discovered the other day is that
Blue Jay had gone into the snow and grabbed a mouse. And when it flew away, I had, I call it a bird
butt shot, underneath the tail of the blue jay was a mouse with a long tail hanging down.
That, I, did you know that Blue Jays will prey on mice?
That was new to me. But then, the same day, I also noticed beautiful female cardinal
at a carcass. We don't think of most of our songbirds as being critters that eat dead or live
small rodents and small animals, but they do. Chickadees will eat, they'll eat, they'll pick
carcasses, tit mice will do that. And all of those little things that we never think about,
the impact of a bird, any kind of bird, I mean, obviously we are aware because of
the rea and the raptors, but so many other animals. So if the Blue Jay eats a mouse that has just
had its fill of rodenticide 2. And then a fox grabs that blue jay. And that's the issue.
It's not just, they go in the bait box and they die. And the police department and the transfer
station are so close to critical wetland areas. The riparian edges is where all of the animals go.
They need to drink.
And because they all go there, it is also a prime feeding area for all of those animals.
So where have our mink gone? Our weasel, our fox, our coyote, and our fisher.
I can't tell you the last time I've seen fisher tracks. And up on the north side of Henneker,
that used to be fisher heaven.
So I'm just wondering, maybe we all just need to be more.
cautious and careful about using the worst of the worst rodenticide at all.
And perhaps it's been brought up and it's in this packet that Maria shared with us.
Maybe the birth control is it's not an end-all be-all, but if you can use it to primarily
control the population. You know, remember, in the birth control, it's not an end-all-all, but if you can use it to primarily
control the population, you know. Remember, in the long run, all of the pest control
companies, they're in business. They have contracts. Ongoing contracts. What can we do to reduce
the population of the rodents, but to increase the health of the wildlife, but to increase the wildlife that
make our New Hampshire and our town so special.
Thank you, Grace.
Chairman?
Yes.
JP P.S.
did give us some alternatives that we can try.
They can bury this, like, mesh fence around the building to keep P.S.
we can move the bait boxes inside.
So those are two things that.
They said they could get us a quote on the mash burying this mesh fence.
No, did they talk anything about this birth control idea?
No, I don't know anything about administering birth control of the mice, and I wouldn't know
what if kids got into that?
You know, would it affect other animals?
I don't know.
That goes into bait box.
Yeah, they haven't.
So if it goes in a bait box and kids can get into bait box,
and kids can get into bait box.
and everybody else can get into bait boxes. Couldn't they get into the birth control on the bait box?
Wouldn't we still have the same problem?
Contact.
I don't know anything about, I'm not a microbiologist or a pesticide. They haven't offered birth control methods.
I don't know if the state has issued any statement on that type of rodent population control.
Well, I can see where.
we could get a hold of them and see what we can do here at the PlayStation.
And if you, you know, this is really a board direction, what they asked us, the warrant article said,
to see if the town will vote to instruct the selectmen, and this was voted affirmatively,
instruct the, so the town instructed the selectmen to prohibit the use of second generation
anticoagulant rodenticides.
on town-owned properties, unless they first hold a hearing and determine that other remediation efforts,
as included in an integrated pest management plan, are not effective,
and the use of poison is the only solution to a specific rodent infestation.
That's what the warrant article read.
So you're holding your public hearing.
It's up to the Board of Selectmen to determine what's effective.
And if the Board of Selectmen wants us to put.
put out a request for proposal for pest control or the board of selectmen want us to become
the pest control people like me putting out traps and checking traps or you know or do you
want Matt to now add that to the level of service that he's providing where he now is
going around to all the buildings and setting setting and checking traps to the board to direct us
where you, you know, you've even determined that by using a licensed provider,
we are doing our due diligence safely administering this,
or you want to see alternatives.
Well, I think we'd like to see what we could do around the two buildings,
this and the police station, with JP Passifers,
maybe moving the bait boxes inside so they can't get out.
Well, I think we need to ask JP Passifers.
you know, look, let's, let's, let's, give us some additional alternatives, number one.
Keep the things contained.
Number two, I think that three buildings or three locations in this town is not going to make a huge
population difference in the, in the Raptors.
And I think it's going to require a heck of a lot more than three buildings.
And I think that a step that is, you know, sensitized the town, sensitized the town, sensitized
the town employees and the select board.
Maybe somebody on the, maybe the Conservation Commission,
to come up with some sort of an education plan to where we can
get a word out to the community who are using probably a heck of a lot more of these
preventic signs than this town is.
Because I think that's where the answer is going to be, you know,
if there's an answer, per se.
It's going to go a lot farther, you know.
And to fix it.
We were just, like, small, measurable...
Yeah, so it's kind of setting an example, which is what I was going to get at earlier.
What do we really want here?
You know, it kind of got off the track there.
But I don't think anybody in this room thinks that three buildings are going to make a difference.
It will make a difference.
It will one month out.
Yeah, but it's not going to make it.
It's not going to make a statistical difference.
You know, what it's going to make.
going to do is set an example.
Right. Yes.
And from that standpoint, I'm saying in isolation, three buildings aren't going to make a big difference.
We've got hundreds of buildings, probably hundreds of people who use...
I'm going to make a suggestion.
But anyway, go ahead.
We continue this discussion after the hearing, not tonight.
Yeah.
I like the idea of bringing in a biologist.
You've said, I've said, I've said, it's going to be teared.
It is an educational fast.
So it is physical facet, which is our traps or whatever the alternatives are,
a little bit of oversight over the companies when they are out there doing their due diligence
and checking their traps and doing their reports.
Just somebody to understand what the boxes look like, where they are, maybe a new employee,
educate them to what these actually are and what it does.
It doesn't have to be you, Matt, or for you, Matt.
We've done it on so many other issues.
Speed on Ramsdale Road is a great example.
It wasn't just putting up a sign.
It wasn't, we didn't get to the point where we had to change the intersection,
but it was one of those things that was suggested.
There are levels to this that will get to something that's acceptable by everybody.
We solve the majority of the problem.
Just some reasonableness here.
It's not one or the other.
And we seem to really polarize on a lot of these issues.
And it's more than just one item with this.
Rick, I look back at you.
I can remember when you did bats here at the time.
town hall a hundred years ago, but I was around back then, too. So you've been at this a while.
What have you seen for mitigation that worked for you with the bats and some of the other animals you dealt with?
We could also make it a marketing thing. The town of Henniger Cares, you know, we're going to make an effort.
And marketed. This is a good, feel, good thing, like Canterbury. It's such a granola crunching kind of a town.
But why don't we just make some kind of a little quick public thing, a public statement, interview Maria, and do a little article.
I know David Brooks at the Conquer Monitor. I know the Dana Wormald.
We know the people. We've been communicating. So let's make it a marketing thing too.
And I'll help. I volunteer to help with a marketing thing. And I know another person that's big on marketing.
Thank you.
Better know.
I wanted Hennaker to be in the forefront.
Yes.
You know, tonight I can see. Yes. Thank you.
Thank you, Maria.
So in conclusion to all that, what the plan is, we're going to get a whole of J.P.
talk about alternative plans.
We're going to get a mouse guy here.
And rat.
Go get the rats.
The rats.
Yeah.
To get a little more insight on their behavior
and what they really do.
And I think a wildlife biologist
as well.
Right.
Because the main thing is...
Well, that's what you're talking about.
Yeah.
Mouse person.
But you can be a mouse person, but not be a wildlife biologist.
He's a wildlife biologist.
he's here tonight. He just talked to us.
Yes, but he's retired.
So he's here as a concerned
citizen, but we need to get somebody
to stay. But he's big in the state. Everybody knows that
booming voice.
He can invite you back.
Could you
bring a lot? You're going to look forward.
Could you bring up a couple bears too?
His card says that he's
a certified wildlife violin. Do your presentation
like once a week, you do it on the radio.
And I'll tell it on the...
It's wild and in.
alternatives, proposals for alternatives.
I want to put out at arrest
request for proposal.
I don't think we're there quite...
Let's see what the tiered approach
maintains. We've got the contract.
Again, fiscal is only a small part of this.
Obviously, we've got the numbers on the board.
Every dollar counts, but it doesn't...
The impact is what we're looking at.
If they're willing to work with us,
we may be right where we are.
However, if the problem's getting
solved, why would you keep painting
over and over if you've sealed
up the rust and it's holding
unless you want to change the color?
So let's work on
these three items.
Immediate campaign.
Can you stop the use of the rodenticides
now? No.
The two. Just the two.
The really legal one.
The secondary. The secondary.
I would ask that we have that meeting with
Jayette. Yeah, I mean, that's a meeting to have with them
and to see what they can do.
So, and I don't believe that
over the transfer station, you can't.
That goes past the war in article anyway.
That goes past with the war in
article last course.
So it's not ruling out.
But let's do this
in an educated way.
I think the transfer station is a very special
spot, which
it's going to need a considerable
amount of
integrated
test management practices.
And there's still first generation.
Yeah.
Second generation is so legal.
Yeah.
But that's something that...
We don't want to stand those grounds.
I'm not there.
All right, so I think we've got a pretty good path forward for this.
Marching orders for that.
If we can help,
especially the other part of it,
reach back with it.
If you need a connection,
if you need us to make a phone call,
we can do that too.
You don't...
We've got contacts all over the place.
Yeah, I reached out to the state.
I reached out to the experts.
So I think in conclusion,
we should be about all set there for now.
Are you voting on it?
We're not going to work.
We are doing an educated approach.
We're all talking about it.
I do want to talk with J.P. Pest.
I want to see what they have for alternatives.
And what they...
If they talk about integrated, what have they done?
And kind of holding it to that a little bit.
I wonder if also talking to the other
company that was talked about,
but...
I mean, usually you get
opinions from two different businesses.
Can I have your name for the minute?
Yeah, sorry.
Rectology.
I'm sorry.
We've got the name, but you're speaking over her,
but you're speaking over her, giving her name.
That's okay.
Oh, sorry.
It's Brendan.
And then it's Van Derr.
Look, hearing.
So I worked on these things this week,
and keep everybody informed.
Thank you, guys.
I wanted you next to have other new things that I added.
Yeah.
We're all right.
It's hard to be the first wallet for no pound.
Excuse me, the select board meeting is still in progress.
Okay, out in the hall.
Take it outside, please.
I'm very well. I brought him in. And you're going to go. Come on, guys.
Wayne.
One more thing under the new business, and this would be a letter of no objection from Rolling Spirits with the event coming up at Keyser Pond.
Would you like to highlight on me now?
Yes.
They asked for a letter of no objection from the town that's required by the Liquor Commission.
And I didn't want to write the letter without the board's explicit motion of no objection.
So if the board doesn't have any objection to this vendor servicing this make-a-wish fundraiser at Keys or Pond,
then the motion would be the board has no objection to rolling spirit.
And allow the time to write a letter.
Huh?
And allow the time to write the letter.
Something like that.
Do it.
Okay, I make a motion showing no objection from the board's let me and authorize it.
I'm a town of the manager to...
That's a second.
Hold the vote. All in favor?
Moving quickly along to continued business
Chapter 77, Article 1, Riverfront Parking Amendment.
With continuation of a second reading.
We have Chief French here to speak on this, I believe.
I'll give a little background.
The stakeholders proposed a
the stakeholders proposed a draft shared use agreement, and I shared that with the Board of Selectmen,
and it's been shared with the police chief.
In addition, for the board's consideration, the town's council provided a memo of statements
on the town's authority, clap versus jaffrey, and things like that.
So the police chief had some comments about the shared use agreement.
and what they were proposing about a ticketing system, and I asked for his comments,
I provided them here, and he asked questions about how this would work.
So, I don't think I need to go over this whole list again, but the bigger issues that I have dealt with
over the years are, some of the top ones, are who's going to handle those complaints if the tickets
are issued wrong, or if people don't believe that they just.
them. Who pays for the physical parking tickets themselves? I don't have a
computer system that I can share. Anyone that's going to write these tickets or have access
to more vehicle information has to be certified through the state of
New Hampshire. We don't have the ability to do that unless they're a law
enforcement officer or somehow tied with the state of the Hampshire criminal
justice system. So most of this stuff just can't work and it's not that I don't want to.
It just doesn't work and it can't work.
So I don't really know what the alternatives are.
Do you have any questions on the list of 17, which is really an odd number to come up with?
I probably could have come up with more.
Do you have any questions?
If this was to go through, history used to be done, how do you enforce it?
With a new proposal?
With a new proposal. I have no idea.
We're looking at an ordinance that the town has, and it's actually under Club versus Jack Daffrey and non-
private funds.
public funds for private purpose.
Yeah, delegation of police duties for private purpose.
They will propose a shared services agreement, and in this on number four, it says parking enforcement authority.
So this is what we're talking about.
The property owner may issue parking citations for violations.
So what Matt's saying is property owner cannot issue tickets unless they're probably certified
law enforcement agent.
Pretty much would be a no-go in a shared-use agreement.
And a private landowner can have the vehicle towed,
but then if someone walks and doesn't come back for the vehicle,
who's going to be responsible for those storage fees, the tow fees,
or disposing of the vehicle at that point?
Because it hasn't been towed by, for a law enforcement purpose,
so now the towing company is going to get stuck with it, and they don't want it.
Looks like we need the more legal work magic tongue.
tongue. Looks like more work needs to be done on this proposed agreement.
So the parking use the town system, the town shall provide property owners with limited access to the town's parking ticket system.
From what I hear, this just, it's not.
So that isn't something that we could agree to, as what I'm hearing from Matt.
So there's some other things in here.
here. So it's a draft and they did, you know, they did let us know that this is just a draft.
Also had an attorney's. Oh, yes. Okay, so this is the attorney's letter to us regarding a
possible shared use and maintenance agreement in our opinion. It is technically possible
to craft some form of agreement with the property owners. However, there are risks and challenges to any
successful agreement. First, as we've discussed, the parking lot is used by multiple owners.
Any agreement would need to be agreed to.
by all parties. Second, the town should not put again itself in a position of engaging in private property management activities on behalf of privateness.
Any long-term financial elements to an agreement likely would require town meeting approval.
If the owners want to explore further discussion about a shared use agreement, it's reasonable for the town to explore that.
Yeah.
I think we have some sort of a shared use agreement.
I mean, if we can find a way to do it that is workable.
It's workable.
Yeah.
It's not a bad idea.
Right.
I also included the town's site plan regulations for parking requirements and asked the town planner to assess all
the properties and come up with what would, what spaces would be needed.
Oh, that's what this was.
Yeah.
So this is what number of spaces would be needed under site plan.
regulations. And under the site plan regulations, it goes by commercial space and number of apartments.
And based on what we know from the property cards, 72 spaces would be needed.
And how many are out there now?
I think it's about 58.
So the public use is incidental, not primary.
Right.
Do we want to hold off on Chris and Micah back?
Yes.
And I did get an email from public.
did get an email from Paula asking if there was anything that happened with the
shared use agreement and I explained that the board can only take action as a board,
not individually. So, you know, if you want to have a
either a workshop with one select board member attending or two members attending
with the property owners or have a joint meeting with the property owners that's posted
with all the board of selectmen to discuss that.
to discuss that maybe...
Posted meetings, not out of order.
It would be a workshop meeting with, that we all select board members can be there.
I mean, I think we ruled out the parking enforcement angle at all.
Tonight, it gives us something to chew on.
Do I mean to try to schedule something with everybody?
I think that's probably a wise idea of this one, but there are two members that aren't here.
I think we're down there.
Trying to do it at a regular select board meeting gets to be difficult.
Right.
You can have...
Well, this way we can just focus on this issue.
Correct.
To think do it as the work job.
What we come out of it, we can then address it for an agenda.
I'll pursue that and see what we come up with for the next meeting.
You find gentlemen in agreement for that?
Yeah.
I was looking at Matt.
Well, I appreciate the fact that you've taken time.
that you've taken time to review our proposal,
and I appreciate the fact that you understand
that it is just putting ideas forward.
What we as landowners are trying to get to
is something that alleviates the stress
that apparently is on the police department
and on the, and if we could just alleviate their primary
concerns, maybe we can go back to this what has worked for us for 40 years.
There's still a question apparently in the minds of the town as to whether this is a
public parking lot or private parking lot.
Our contention is it's public.
It's what we set out to do 40 years ago.
I think that's the correct number.
It was basically 1986 to 1988.
Yeah.
We set out to build.
set out to build a public parking lot for the town of Henniger in conjunction with the town of Henniger.
We didn't do this on our own.
This was done with the town of Medicare.
Unfortunately, the rules have changed for us a little bit.
That's why you keep hearing clap B. Jaffrey.
Well, we are held to.
Yeah, I mean, that clap B. Jaffrey is a rate, but I'm not sure that it necessarily applies.
It absolutely applies.
Well, that's the problem.
Well, perhaps.
Who knows?
But I'm not.
The parking is this is a public parking lot.
Yeah, there are spaces reserved for property owners between 8 and 5 or whatever the hours are.
And there has to be parking for tenants of the buildings along the street.
But nevertheless, the intention is that it's a public parking lot.
For us to just proclaim no, no, no, no.
It's private.
property, it isn't. I mean, there were easements that were part of the deal.
So you don't own that property anymore?
Well, we own, we own the property.
Then it's private.
And it's public by evitation.
However, however, all it was given, easements were given to the town of Annaker.
Yeah.
To me, that makes it public.
But point of contention.
One, you know, I mean, you see it one way.
Paul and I see it a different way.
It is.
That's what it is.
It is not a deed.
Well, no, but it is an easement.
And it gives the town the right over that property.
Permissive.
Be that as it made.
Obviously, we have things that have to be worked out.
Certainly.
Yeah.
And I think a workshop is going to help.
Absolutely.
Right.
But it has been a public parking lot that has worked for
and it's hard to dispute that.
And I think it would be a terrible thing for the town to say,
say, no, it's private and we don't want anything to do with it.
I think that it sends us down a bad path.
Mush up is fine, more things to talk about.
Right. But in speaking numbers,
by the footage and the spaces needed for those businesses up on Main Street,
all those buildings, this gobbles up all those that are technically needed down there,
which slides it over more into your private with public availability, if you want to say it that way.
Well, all I can say is Jeff, it's been working for 40 years, and nothing's changed.
We don't have more tenants.
Except the law.
No, but I mean...
I don't think the laws change, Paul.
It's just a matter of case law has made things different.
What law?
Case law.
Case law.
Clap.
At 1952.
Application of case law.
Let's put it that way.
So, get everybody together and we can sit down.
You know, we'll find a way through it.
We're fine with that.
Yeah.
That would be best.
So we'll schedule the time with everybody and...
We'll be there.
You'll be there?
We'll be there.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you, Jeff.
Really, generally accepting practice.
Please listen to this room.
Everybody knows that you don't put money, public,
of money on private, and we're not arguing that.
But you got to remember, and you can ask Wayne sometimes,
and he ruined it.
So we, the town of Henneker, applied the grant process.
In order to do that, they had to get the state to accept it,
and they wouldn't put money by clap on private property.
So we signed these easements, we turned over to the town,
and they all recorded on all six of our deeds.
They're on our deeds.
And so we've always looked at it as a public parking lot and expressed it as such.
All our buildings went through comprehensive zoning requirements and the number of parking spaces.
My buildings, definitely, we're back and changing it now.
It's actually, we have less demand now than we did then.
And I think you can look at it once again.
According to the state, we're a public parking lot, get as such.
We're not trying to fight that.
We're trying to come up on the way to get by this, because he's going to look at it.
this because he just wanted a big leg. That's fine. Let's come up in the way.
But we've got to be waiting by those. I want you once again look at it as a public parking lot.
It has been for 42 years and I've looked at it as such for 42 years.
When you say nothing's changed, Jeffett said nothing had changed.
Ownership has changed in a number of the facilities. Usage has changed.
You now have academic offices in one of the buildings.
of the buildings. Things have changed, but you also have the dissolving, basically, of a group that was coming forward. You had the property owners. There was a group, a formalized group that no longer exists, that gave that permission.
So that has changed. There are some things, you're still here, but the entity making the authority as a whole is not. So some things have changed.
Well, Neil, we did. We had the Hennecker Civic Association.
Great. Yep.
The Henneker Civic Association was, was started for the express purpose of getting a community block grant, which we did.
And we did that on behalf of the town of Henneker.
So the town of Henneker got $300,000 because of the efforts of the Henneker's Civic Association.
That money went to the town of Henneker, and the town of Henneker spent that money
on the town of Henneker and on that public parking line.
I mean, that's, I think that was an important point.
Where I'm going with it is not good or bad, but there are changes.
That's why the workshop, that's why what can we do to sort this back out one way or the other.
And again, you talk about it being brought into a parking lot in 1985, 87.
I started in 88. I was one of the first guys doing this.
the midnight shifts that was writing the tickets in that parking lot. I know how long it's been there. I know how long we've been enforcing it.
So I'm not pro or con. I'm like, let's solve the problem here.
We're all for that. All for that, yeah.
Absolutely. Paul?
Exactly. No. Yeah. We're all for that.
We're going to find a way through it.
But I also don't want to get the town soon because we go against something that you've got an interpretation of it.
I've got an interpretation of it.
of it, but we both have attorneys that have interpretations of it.
Okay?
I have to rely on the town because I am not a lawyer.
I can do criminal law pretty good.
I was a pretty good prosecutor.
But I am not a civil attorney.
I'm not a land attorney.
I'm not in that market.
So I've got to rely on what I'm being told.
And what I'm being told is there's some caution tape up on that.
Good conversation for a workshop.
Yes.
Exactly.
That's all we need to say.
Excellent.
Thank you.
Thank you guys.
Thank you, guys.
to postpone business can be even postponed more.
Yeah, the construct committee policy had some amendments that they wanted to look at.
So I said, we'll take your time and no hurry.
You out?
You need me for anything else?
Maybe.
We need you out there.
Do you want to give a mission update on your clue, sir?
What?
Did you break another one?
No, last, gosh, what night?
Was it Wednesday?
Thursday?
night one of our officers was involved in a crash.
I did a spin on a motorcycle that was going 100 and something miles an hour,
turned in front of another vehicle and got T-boned.
Thankfully, he was not injured, the other driver was not injured.
I've been working with Sherry and Diane with the claim and all that stuff
and hopefully we'll have the appraiser tomorrow or the next day.
I'm not an appraiser for vehicles, but I'm sitting up for my days.
I'm pretty confident.
Or a passenger specialist.
Yeah.
Was it one of the older on?
Unfortunately, no.
Down on the Dodges.
I'm pretty counseling.
I'm not downplaying it, but I'm just happy that he wasn't injured or the other person.
That's fact.
And the officer's pride is like a pretty good hit, so I've got to get him back on the horse and get them out there.
So working with that, and I've been back and forth already with the...
Did we get the...
Oster Mountain?
No.
Austin Mountain for our stuff and trying to find another car and all that good stuff.
and all that good stuff.
Hey, I know the other.
I see that.
Your search for a new officer coming.
Well, we had six applicants.
We scheduled them for interviews between today and next week.
One immediately backed out.
We had two scheduled for today.
One didn't show up, and the others we didn't hear anything else from.
That's zero.
Pretty much.
Nice.
No call, no nothing.
Didn't show up.
Last I knew they didn't.
And when I came over here, what, six, a little after six, they were still out for six, they hadn't shown up.
So, even if they showed up, I'm not sure I would have interviewed them.
Yeah.
Can't be in time to a job interview.
All right.
He's there.
Crime Buster.
All right.
Thank you much.
Thank you.
We can post on that.
You have a meeting with health trust?
Monday at three.
That's a publicly posted meeting.
Meeting minutes.
Minutes.
I will make a motion to accept the public
the public...
All seconded it?
I did.
Second.
All in favor?
Right.
Three nothing.
May 19th meeting.
I'll make a motion.
We don't have enough people here to approve that.
Because I was not here that day.
And then the other night too.
Postpone.
Postpone.
Okay.
Diane's report.
On June 16th, we will have a public hearing to accept
unanticipated grant funding from the Cardswell Benevolent
Cardswell Benevolent Trust in the amount of 12,000 to replace a heating system at Academy Hall.
And because that came to the town, the town, it's unanticipated revenue and it's over $10,000.
We need to have a public hearing to appropriate that.
The Western Ave report, I'm going to hold off and talk about it at the net, that when it comes up again.
I've been working on dated properties and you do have a number.
public that we really need to have at the end of this meeting to discuss that.
And so I'll keep moving fast and we can do that.
I attended a wastewater construction progress meeting.
I also attended today the Community Care Services Board first meeting.
Amateur Radio Club, tower agreement has been executed
and they'll be installing their equipment up there.
and coordinating that with Leo.
Starting tomorrow, I'm attending a three-day conference up north.
It's a joint Primax Risk Management and New Hampshire Municipal Managers Conference.
I'm taking lots of workshops at that.
EE will start the building energy assessments on June 22nd.
They'll be going to wastewater, highway, town hall and community center, and the others will be starting.
and the others will be scheduled on another date.
If you remember right, they have a,
it's like for us, the town to piggyback on the school's RFP
that they did. They did a solar system.
And this assessment will see if...
I've been doing a lot of information,
gathering an analysis for the board regarding health insurance.
The Health Trust is meeting with you on June 8th at 3.
I had a meeting with the town engineer regarding permitting and projects.
We have River Road happening, Western AF culvert replacements,
Western Ave Riverbank stabilization and brick grant funding,
and that sub-application is due on the 12th.
So Mike is helping me with that.
Mike Vignally from KV Partners.
And then he is going to put out a bid for the Main Street Crosswalk project as well.
And then Matt just filled you in on the PD collision.
All righty. Any questions?
Nope.
Got nothing.
You got nothing?
Been away.
Neil motioned a nothing on his end.
I had a Azalea Park meeting and we just went over
done down to down there.
Mike McNally's going to get us permitted.
That's on that.
bank there.
Yep.
Where the old rope sewing was.
Yep, yep.
That was around $10,000 to get that permitted and engineered to what we could do there.
And then hopefully start work there this fall and get that done.
That's all, they have it in the...
Yeah, I think the board authorized.
Yeah, we already authorized that anyways.
So that was, that'll be good.
We should be able to come in with what funds are available.
Number two, were the either one of you ladies like to speak.
like to speak.
Thank you for listening to everybody during the pesticide thing.
I know it went really long, but...
Ah, it's very informative.
Yeah, it mounts up, giving people, I know he said, like, three properties isn't a lot,
but it is like...
Well, and, and, you know, my point to that was, you know...
You're trying to explain it when they came in dust.
We said we can't, like, ban it for the town, or that's just not for our authority,
but just small, small steps.
Well, I think a lot of people say, like, you go up to Edmonds, you,
it.
Like our neighbors do the JP pest thing too, and we've ended up with like...
So that brings us to, we have to wind down out of this and go into a non-public.
Yeah, on the stock report for you, Jeff, I highlighted the motion.
It's got the tab with the blue tab.
It's the stock report right in front of you.
Over here.
Yeah, and on the front page is the motion to go into nonpublic.
Okay.
Motion to authorize on public session citing.
RSA 91-83 common 2
C
Matters which, if discussed in public,
would likely affect adversely the reputation of any person
other than a member of this board
unless such person requests an open meeting.
This exception shall extend to include any application
for assistance
for tax abatement or waiver of a fee, fine, or other levy if based on inability to pay for poverty of the...
So that being said...
So a motion?
I made a motion.
Second.
All in favor, roll call vote?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, who made the motion?
Jeff made the motion.
Jeff?
Second.
And Paul second did.
No, no, it's not over.
No, no.
No, I just want to say something to Diane.
Don't you have a little break-vidate?
No.
I was going to help you stack chairs, too.
I'll see you.
Okay, Diane, I apologize.
I'm just hanging at you.
Okay.