All towns · jackson

Conservation Commission 9 2

Video

Good afternoon.
>> Good afternoon.
>> All right. I think we go ahead and
get started.
Uh through here the August meeting
minutes.
>> I'll make a motion to accept them.
>> I'll second that.
>> Uh any discussion or do you want a
moment to review?
You weren't here then.
>> Uh no, I did I did read them. Am I
allowed to vote on this if I'm not
there?
I can, right?
>> I smart would abstain.
>> Yeah.
>> I'd like you to abstain.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
Uh
any other discussion?
>> I'm good.
>> Okay. All those in favor?
>> I.
>> Uh
Mike, you're going to abstain.
>> I'll yes, politely abstain.
>> Uh I'm telling you rather.
Mike, you will abstain.
Uh Prospect
Farm, I spoke with Rick Davis
uh yesterday morning and he will be up
there at the end of the month.
>> End of September?
>> Yep.
Um
and kind of just doing the similar
thing. Um I don't know
I have not heard if
>> Michael?
>> Yeah, if Michael is going to be out
there before or something.
>> I'll talk to Michael
tomorrow.
>> Okay.
He called me today.
>> Does he have stuff that he's already
cut?
Or trim that needs to be moved before
Rick gets up there?
>> There is I I haven't There was.
Some of it got moved. I haven't seen the
extent of it, but I think that he was in
the game
either when Rick was up there with um
the equipment, it would be easier just
to load it on the equipment and pull it
out.
>> I would agree.
>> Yeah, I'll talk with Michael tomorrow.
He called me today. I was just going
>> And some of it he may not be able to mow
it that close to the tree anyway.
>> Right.
And
And wasn't it last year that
someone did groundwork, hand work?
>> Yeah, Rick did.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know if he said that out loud.
>> He did.
They did it.
Last year
in particular, it seemed like they did
an excellent job.
>> Yeah, I I made sure I
>> Yeah.
>> told him how much we appreciate it.
>> Yeah, it was excellent.
They really set the precedent like for
Michael to go and see him go up there
and see that.
I can mow with this.
>> Okay.
Um
Other than that, I don't have
anything.
On prospect is
>> I'll touch bases with Ian, who's the new
ED, just to make sure that he and Silas
know that they're responsible to mow.
Yeah, but feel then to check the water
bars coming down from Hall's Ledge.
>> Okay. Yeah, that was my only other
>> Yeah.
>> question.
And I'm a little delinquent, but uh
one of the volunteers wants to get some
signs out for the old
um cellar holes that are
on trip. I needed just find some time to
do the background so that we have the
right information to put on those signs
to put up there.
>> There used to be
little plaques.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't find
>> There's There's one at the orchard, but
I don't think there's any plaques left
on the sites there.
>> Well, there actually there should be a a
write-up.
>> Yeah.
>> There's already like a
>> I just need to look at it.
>> With a spreadsheet and write up all the
the like the jazz we pulled together for
each of the different locations and then
we
voted on how we were going to
do the wording.
>> Do they want to put them like on the
higher ones as well? Like the one that's
there up by
Hub's Loop or just like the lower ones?
The orchard
>> All All of them.
The only one that they really don't have
any that I've seen any history on is
you know where the orchard trail is of
course the other way is the forest
service.
>> Mhm.
>> There's a cellar hole off
on that access road to the log landing.
I don't think anybody's ever determined
what that's
what what the history of that site is.
>> What site was that?
>> When you go out on the what we call the
spur
>> Harter Spur
>> Yeah.
I wonder if Dexter Harding
did that interpretive trail with
students like years and years ago. I
wonder if that was part of it.
>> Maybe he didn't go that high.
>> I don't think he I don't think we went
that
far cuz I did a a number of walks with
Dexter, Lucy and others.
And um
we did the full boundary of Prospect.
And bushwhacked down
to um
Fallen Leaf Road.
And I just
I can't I can't pull up the
>> I think if you look at the forest
management plan, it has that one as
unknown.
>> Mhm. Okay.
>> I I'd have to go back and look, but
that's my recollection.
>> That's fun.
That's good.
>> I think the other five are
are tagged as new.
>> Yeah.
>> And I There's a little bit of that
history now as preface for this book as
well.
>> I was trying to see where you had
I'll look on the Google Drive
>> Yeah, I
>> There might have been a folder.
>> I I think you're right. I just haven't
had time to go back and look.
>> How do you access that?
>> I can send
>> I'll send
>> you can If you can resend that.
>> I will share it.
>> That's about as far as I get.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Anything else for Prospect Farm?
Okay.
Jackson Falls, I met with the select
board
at their last meeting and presented
the
uh
drawing uh plan drawings and the
uh cost estimate.
Um
They said it looked
interesting and might support having a
public
meeting for to to discuss it and also we
discussed sort of the funding of it and
um
I think they were leaning towards the
Conservation Commission
trying to find
some
of that out of funds that we have
available to us and
I think that can be part of our
discussion
public meeting or if you want to uh
discuss that now. I
There is the I mean we have funds in the
in the money market account
which I think would be more appropriate
than using the land use
>> Yeah.
>> change. I would agree with you.
>> Mhm.
Um
>> Do you know how much residual we have in
the wildcat fund?
Because that one, if I recall correctly,
we had to still maintain the the
principal like the 12K.
>> Yeah, it's
I I I think we've done a good job of
spending most of our
balance every year, so
but I can check on that.
>> Is there a
I mean, I know it was a quote based on
what we asked for, so it's probably what
it costs, but
for the sake of conversation, is there
something in between?
I don't know. Was it 86,000?
>> It was 86.
>> I'm just wondering like if is there
discussion that we could have that's
like, well
>> Well, I could be only less stable.
>> You know, I mean, I could be getting a
truly about stabilizing the thing cuz
86,000 for
what if that doesn't engage at all and
they're just like,
what? And then I'm like, well, there's
just other things that
I mean
I don't know. I'm just throwing it out
there.
>> Um
Yeah, I think part of that could be if
it were to be opened up
for a bid a bid process. So, if we were
to request bids and use this as our
>> Mhm.
>> as the plan sort of our baseline and see
if other people would feel comfortable
doing that work or if there's
other options.
>> Yeah, I was afraid we were going to get
asked that question like someone like
just like, well
didn't you
>> It's enough money, I think, that the bid
process would
kick in.
The other thing is for the public
meeting
have as much of the money
answered as you can. Where
Excuse me. Where would come from? How
much?
Just so those are the questions that
people are really being
they're interested in having good, solid
answers.
>> Do we think the head of water resources
ideology would be willing to come?
>> Yes, I think he would.
>> Yeah, so I I asked him if he was
available to come. I think if we
schedule the public meeting
to occur with our next meeting in
October, he's available for that.
>> Awesome.
>> Um
so I I guess if we just want to say
schedule the public meeting at 7:00
or 6:30 and
>> I would suggest that we
schedule it maybe on a night that we
have our conservation commission
meeting.
>> Yeah. Yeah, so next October 5th.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh and and Sean is available that night,
so
>> Let's go with it.
>> Okay. I just checked my schedule.
Um
>> I think if we put it out for bid that uh
we we should we should be clear that
we're looking for somebody with
experience because you can get anybody
that can bid to go on and do the job.
Of which
I mean, this is the one that was
recommended to us. I did do a background
check.
>> Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't have a
problem with it. I think people are just
cynical and
you know, somebody just doesn't like the
idea and that's the first thing they
throw at you.
>> And I don't think there's
a fast track here for because
it's enough money that I think people
would like to know. I think we can pick
our contractors.
>> Yeah.
>> Who we want to
consult with.
>> To uh Dick's point,
should we try and figure out the
partitioning of the money tonight or can
we do that by email between now and
next month?
>> Uh I think we can have a
discussion now and
>> Yeah.
>> Uh
I don't have
uh
a current balance for the money market
account, but the last time I talked
uh to Julie, there was probably enough
to cover the full amount.
But, I don't know if that include if
that was
uh
I don't know how those funds were
separated and if that included land use
or if that's in a separate account.
>> Mhm.
>> And all those So, uh I can I can verify
that with with Julie.
And Bob uh Bob Thompson said I mean, we
don't need to
Well, I guess that's the question is do
we ask do we want to ask the town
to help pay for this or do we believe in
it enough that it
it needs to be done
and we don't just spend that
money.
>> Or I don't think we should just spend
the money
>> I don't think we should just spend the
money without consulting the town, but I
think that in the presentation
to the town, we say, "Look,
we've got the funds or we've got, you
know,
a large chunk of the funds. We think
it's important work
and we would just like the,
you know, the town to give the go-ahead
for the interest to whoever shows up at
the meeting, interested parties,
uh
to say, "Yes, we want to do this."
>> Yeah, I guess
I
thought about the money and did it that
much, but maybe with that
should we discuss the things that we
feel like
that money could be better spent on or
items that
we feel like
the residents or
the town would be less willing to help
us
do.
You know, with our with money. Like
if if we can get the town behind
something like this, it would be great
to not take the money that
we have to do it.
>> But I I think going back to Dick's
point, I think Dick is right.
We're going in to make a
a proposal as to how we think it should
be done. After we get input, we might
change what we did, but that's the
function of the town meeting.
And my recommendation would be to go in
and say that, you know, the estimated
cost is, you know, roughly 80,000,
whatever it was,
um, you know, with inflation, it may be
as high as 90,000.
Conservation Commission will put in half
of it. We're retaining the other half
because we do have other needs that will
come, including potentially more work at
the falls.
And we need some input from the town.
And so we because then it would become a
vote of the town at the March meeting.
So we're asking the town to come up with
45,000.
>> Right. Yeah, I like that idea.
>> That's I I think, uh,
diplomatically, that's the way to
Mhm. approach it.
>> Yeah, I just didn't want to have it be
like,
we have 86,000. Like who's going to vote
and go like, yeah, you know what, I'll
give 10 bucks. Like there's
>> That's not the end-all, be-all for the
Jackson Falls.
>> No, but I guess, you know, my point
would be is this how our money
that we have in our accounts is supposed
to be spent, it should be spent.
As soon as we start doing it, we kind of
set a precedent on anything that happens
related to anything like that. Like, oh,
Conservation Committee has money, they
pay for that. I'm just I'm not saying
that's right or wrong. I'm simply
saying,
is that how our money, and the way that
we get money, is that
the best way to
>> The only place that
>> take our money out, how do you get it
back?
>> Uh the only place where I think that
makes a difference would be if we need
to also tap into current use fund.
In which case the RSA is specific about
what that money can be used for or not
be used for.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's
we can't change that.
>> And the RSA says we cannot
>> I believe it says we can, but I I'd want
to go back and read it again as to just
simply tell you what I think.
But my my take is because it's on town
property a conservation project, but we
should check that.
Because if we're making an offer to
cover something for which we don't have
the full funds in the money market, then
we can't take it from that, then we we'd
essentially be in a bind. So
we can look up the RSA.
>> And we have
a town driver right here today.
If she would like to
have input in this discussion.
>> What?
Into Jackson Falls? No.
>> Um
Did you hear the question?
>> Well, we have the public here.
>> Did she hear the question? Rephrase the
question.
>> I'm listening.
>> I hear
No, we're just
wondering how the public will react to
uh the idea of spending, you know,
$90,000
uh
for bank stabilization
at Jackson Falls.
>> I would
love to have an opinion and know about
it and understand it. Knowledge will
speak.
>> That's a serious thing.
>> From like Yeah.
>> Well, we're projecting to have uh an
October meeting on the
subject.
>> Penny, the
the challenge is
the
town did a little bit of work years ago
in moving some of the boulders, but
we're getting the erosion. When they
redid the bridge,
>> Yeah.
>> it's probably going to increase the
erosion a little bit more because the
piers, I mean, the
the abutments that go out are going out
further. They couldn't follow it.
But it is If you've been down there,
it's chewing away, and it will cut
through where all the trails are. So
there's a need to hire a professional
that comes in and And we've had a plan
already developed by a
hydrogeomorphologist
>> Yeah.
>> to essentially restructure what was done
before, but probably done better because
before it was the town just came in and
moved it.
>> Right.
>> And, you know, they they did a decent
job, but that's not what they're
professionals.
So the estimated cost, we already have
it from somebody who does this kind of
work. It's 80-some-odd thousand dollars
to go in
and sort of restructure to help prevent
further erosion. That's That's basically
what's what's at stake.
>> And give my people the opportunity to
learn and understand.
>> Yeah.
>> And get behind the project is
>> Which is the part you need
>> I guess my only other
funding source because this
may be something that there would be
grant funding that
seek out, but I don't want to make
making a decision contingent on finding
finding grant money. And then that would
What portion of the budget would that
offset? Like our commitment would be
half
whatever balance remaining covered by
grant money and the town. Does that seem
like a logical
>> That would be a good structure there.
It
>> would be.
If we could find that money.
>> Well, and that's kind of when we when
when when Emily and I were going through
the FEMA process, this would be the kind
of project that they would have given
funds for.
2 years ago.
But
>> And we can pursue that, but I think what
you need is still for the town to vote
because
you you I mean essentially you've got a
pool right now.
All we need is one more big storm and
stuff is really going to be damaged. So,
if you're just sort of chasing
potential that you have no idea where
the potential is.
If the damage is greater than the cost
to repair is going to be a lot higher
than what we're looking at currently
right now.
Um normally under scenario like that is
the town will vote it in if we get the
grants, then the town doesn't need to
spend it.
>> Right.
>> But to get people's hopes up and have no
idea even what grants you can chase.
>> Right.
>> Chasing at this point is a little bit of
pie in the sky.
>> Right. Well, and I I think presenting it
as a we would like to have this work
done next fall.
>> Yeah.
And there's urgency to it.
>> Okay.
Um I don't know if we if I missed this,
but did they ever do the
I just hate that I have this question be
asked and us not be able to answer it
because we use it as a reason for
rational behind why the
erosion's going to get worse.
Did they ever
show the engineering
of the modeling of the change in the
wall?
Like I still can't believe that
all this stuff happens and we don't know
what that looks like.
Like how how do you design something
around this situation?
>> damage is already been done before they
even did the bridge replacement from the
last two major flood events. So,
you know the potential for that to
happen without even the bridge
replacement. So, it's an interesting
question, but it's
it may increase that potential, but we
know we're not talking about potential.
We know what's happening when we get
major events.
>> And I think where the
work is
occurring is further down
>> Yeah.
>> the the river. So, it
we're not going directly impacting that
particular thing.
>> Mhm.
>> No, it's just something something that
we've used as a
like a catchphrase to say that why we
have to be aware of it. It's just like
it comes up all the time with the change
of the channel and all this thing. I'm
just asking.
If someone was asking us again like that
the person in the room that says
>> Mhm.
>> Well, did you What's the Is that
happening? Is this really going to
happen? What's the extent? What did the
town do? Did you guys research it? How
did they get away with doing it without
it being researched? Has it been Do we
understand?
>> I think you got some pretty simple
answers there because the big rocks that
were moved out there before they moved,
you're seeing the erosion channel that's
already cutting through where the bench
is out there.
You know, it's it's not hypothetical.
You can go down and take a look as to
what's happening.
>> No, I'm not saying that. I I know that's
not hypothetical.
>> And that happened before the bridge
replacement.
>> Yeah.
I guess I would just be careful using
the change of the bridge
in the conversation if we don't know
that that's
>> I would avoid
that
aspect and just say we're dealing with
what's happening.
>> Right. I mean, I'm not saying it to be
argumentative as much as the person in
the room who would find the thing to
push the button.
>> Cause it's it's nature nature happening.
>> But, I I think we have to be feel
comfortable answering the question. We
don't know
if this will solve any problem
that a 200-year storm or something will
just
overtop.
>> Yeah. Probably most likely slow down the
damage that the 200-year storm
Yeah.
>> Right. I
>> Yeah. Best case scenario.
>> I mean
And and I guess that could be a question
we ask Shawn is that
you know, what what level of storm
protection is this
up to?
I But I'm I'm certain he's not going to
guarantee
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think he could either.
>> How could anybody expect that?
I mean, Madison got what?
7 in in
>> Yeah.
>> an hour or something crazy in some
areas.
>> Yeah.
So then it just
>> Other areas got four.
>> And it just becomes a decision by the
town, by the people of the town, like is
it worth putting this money in and they
have to decide is it worth it not
knowing like how much do you value
>> the vaults. Exactly.
>> And
and that should be
>> the discussion.
>> is okay, we
this chunk of money
is it worth it to What are we going to
save?
>> Yeah.
>> Well, the town made a decision a long
time ago because there was a proposed
hydro plant there. Which is why it got
put into the wild and scenic.
So the town obviously valued
the Jackson Falls or wouldn't have gone
through that whole effort.
>> It's what Yes, I
I Yeah.
The town is interested in Jackson Falls.
>> Do you think that we should invite
DOT to the discussion because
>> Well, this money that we're
proposing to spend
what percentage is, you know, is it
going to
save 75%
of the erosion? is it going to save 50%?
Is it going to save 90%?
Uh is it going to be a washout
in a
another
major flood year?
>> I guess you could say the other one if
you spend
$115,000,
does that get you to the next level
where you feel like he's like that would
stop
>> everything.
>> You know, I mean
>> The one The one thing is pretty clear
that it will happen because you can see
where it is. Just the trail comes down
and it's really close all the way down.
Uh if you want to protect your trail, it
gives people access from the upper part
to the lower part of the the falls in
the upper part of the falls there.
Um
you have to do something with that right
bearing buffer.
If you're willing to give up a trail
that connects those pieces, then
But other nature do what it's doing and
if it wants to go toward the road so be
it.
>> I wonder at what point would DOT
actually get involved where they're like
>> I think DOT gets involved on a different
issue and that is is we Once we finalize
some of this, we put together the final
proposed Jackson Falls Management Plan,
cuz DOT is probably going to be
necessary relative to the parking
because that part of Route 16 B
is actually state road. It is not town
road.
>> No, I guess you My point is let's just
say that like
if we did nothing
and it takes out the the trail and then
after the trail
it keeps coming. At what point would DOT
say, "Okay, that's
too far.
We need to stabilize this."
>> It's a theoretical question. I don't
know how we could answer that.
>> Well, that's what I'm saying. Should DOT
be involved? It's like well maybe DOT
should be involved because the
conversation is about
>> Well, the state of the state
>> comes the road.
>> But But right, the state will be
involved anyways because there's a
required permitting because what I mean
>> involved in a like actual
meeting
>> We just chunk the money cuz
>> That's right.
>> Yeah, that's correct.
>> They can stop, you know, we can put the
band-aid on now or we could not put the
band-aid on, but if no one does anything
and it goes after the road, DOT's
definitely going to do something.
They're going to put a band-aid on it.
What I'm saying is, do we say, "Hey, we
want to do the band-aid?"
>> Yeah.
>> You there like
>> But I But I I think we're looking at
if there's erosion at that level, the
DOT needs to come in. We're We're
talking about something that's totally
different.
Cuz that's gas funds.
>> Beyond the right of way
I think they'd be
Mhm, it's not ours.
>> Mhm, it's not town property, right?
>> Yeah, no, I I get that.
But I I guess that would be
Is it wise to spend money if
we don't solve the problem and then it
becomes DOT's problem?
And we have now
those funds have been wasted rather than
waiting for the inevitable catastrophe
where someone else has to step in and do
something.
>> it like really right or I mean I'm just
just just
>> Yeah, or they just or they just throw a
bunch of crushed rock down there and and
the path is gone.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz that'll take care of the road, they
don't care about the path.
>> True.
>> We know that the path is a true risk.
The road is hypothetical risk.
>> Yes.
>> Then we can hypothesize
total disasters where it takes the road
and the houses.
Um
I I think we're
going a little bit far here right now in
getting too concerned about the 0.01%
issue in front of us as opposed
>> That could be a hundred years down the
>> Yeah, cool.
>> Yeah.
>> Really? For
>> All right, yeah, or I mean you could
just set the road back.
Or that we may get enough salt in there
from something that is still building
up.
>> Yeah, that's what I mean. You just don't
know. I'm just
throwing it out there.
>> Well,
I guess we
feel good. We can schedule a public
meeting. We can have We can ask these
questions to to Shawn.
>> I I
We got to go back to Mike's question.
>> Yeah.
>> Which is did we agree on how we would
propose the funding?
>> Well, I think Ben's going to
look into what we have available.
I mean, you could email it to us
uh if you wanted to take a shortcut
before the next meeting
so that we would have
you know,
good information in front of us
for that.
>> But, I don't think an email vote is
legit.
>> I I just think to get the balances.
>> Okay.
But, if we're going to vote on what
we're proposing here today per Mike's
question,
we have to vote in public. We can't vote
via email.
>> No, no. I wouldn't
Just to get information
before we vote.
>> Your concern is that we have to have how
we're paying for the say, if we pay for
half up front,
we have to agree that we're we're
reporting that from
before our October meeting
so that
>> I I'll make a motion as follows,
that um
we will propose that the Conservation
Commission will
um put in 45,000
for the project.
And the remainder
would be a request from the town to put
in up to 45,000
because they will need to vote on it as
an article.
And the Conservation Commission will
pursue to determine whether there's any
grant funding to reduce the cost of both
the Conservation Commission and the
town.
We will pursue.
>> Can I ask a question on that?
What if the town says no?
Could it come up with the other?
>> And decide We have to decide what we're
going to do at that point.
>> If you cuz you didn't say up to us,
right?
You said 45, so it could be
>> Okay, 45.
>> Yeah.
>> And if
when we take a look at the funds we
can't, we don't have sufficient, we
can't do it. You'll still be meeting,
but we're going to run into a problem
here because we have to tell the public
what it is
and post what it is
before that meeting so that they can see
it in advance.
>> Right, in fact, they need to know the
amount that isn't covered.
>> Correct. And my my my
So, I put that motion out. I'll need a
second, then I'll come back and try to
remedy that problem.
>> So, the proposal is the Conservation
Commission pay 45,000, remainder to be
paid by town via warrant article.
>> Well, we'll have to say up to because
the town will not vote on an open-ended
number.
>> Up to
>> I'd be flabbergasted if it did.
>> And we think we have 45 in the money
market that we can spend.
>> Well, if it turns out that we do not,
we will know before, and then we would
actually take a look at holding the
public meeting in November so that we
can come back and do it properly.
>> Okay.
>> So I made the motion.
I'll second that.
>> Okay.
>> So
This is just saying that we'll come up
with 45,000 up to 45,000 dollars to
cover it.
>> And we're asking the town for the up up
to another We're asking for 45,000 from
the town expecting the cost to be
approximately 90,000.
And that has a little bit of built-in
cost overrun which many construction
projects do. We have a bid just not
unusual in a bid you could have a cost
overrun.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah, there is a a contingency around
that.
>> 15%
>> And I think Brian, to your your question
about what if the town says no, I think
that probably tells us something.
>> Right.
>> Yeah, if people are like we don't want
to spend 40,000 dollars to save this
trail. Yeah, I think that's
>> I just didn't My concern was that we had
committed ourselves to the full
>> Got you.
>> by saying like well, they didn't come up
with it, so we are. I just
>> Got you.
>> That's normal.
>> Well, I think that's after we
>> Yeah.
>> before we had a
you know, a
hearing
would uh
give us direction of whether to
say hey.
>> Because because what what you have Brian
in front of you is if you go and tell
the town well, if you vote no, we'll
fund the rest of it, but then you burn
up the rest of your money for which you
probably need for other projects there.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh
then you have no money at all.
>> Mhm.
>> And they will vote for that. I mean,
that's what everybody would vote for is
let them pay for the whole thing.
>> Exactly. Yeah.
>> And then that puts us in a bind because
we're expected to manage up here, but we
have no funds to manage.
>> Right.
>> We we don't want to do that.
I wouldn't
>> I wouldn't either.
>> Okay.
Any other discussions or
Ready to vote?
Okay. All in favor?
>> I.
>> I.
>> Opposed?
>> Okay.
>> It's a lot of money. Everything costs
lots of money.
>> For construction projects, I don't think
that's out of line.
>> Oh, no, no, no. I don't either. No, I
don't Yeah, I don't either.
>> And I did check with Yeah.
Folks as I as I mentioned before because
I
I was the chair of the committee with
them in the negotiation. I've seen a
number of these funds and I've seen what
the the cost are for these kinds of
things. This is
You know, you you're hiring a
specialist.
>> Right.
>> Okay.
>> Um
And he's a one He's a small operation.
more information
>> a big firm
or someone to
quote off of.
>> How do they get that information?
>> They have two other people I think like
what the state has just just crossed my
mind. I'm like
Let's ask them.
But
obviously
have to be after the fact.
>> And we don't have to cross that bridge.
>> I just didn't read I haven't seen
anything
that I would be like, "Oh,
that's what you'd be working on."
>> Um
Yeah, I'll I'll research that.
Okay.
Any
>> But I would also point out when we go to
the town
is not only that we're paying at 45 but
we've already spent and paid for the
engineering. It's not like we're out of
the blue. We've already spent 18, 19,000
on the engineering.
>> That's part of the presentation.
>> Yeah, I'd just like to look at that.
the engineering everything
>> Okay.
Um
moving on.
Grazing?
Anything?
>> Uh
only that I
met with the new executive director at
ski touring and was going to bring up
the cuts then with him, but we had a
really long meeting about other things,
so I'm planning to follow up about the
future sheds with him.
>> He will struggle because
with with the time
for this fall. I can tell you that right
now.
>> Yeah, I didn't Yeah, I got that
impression.
>> Working with the forest service and
getting the bridges qualified
and through is has been a nightmare with
the forest service.
>> The town's done a great job keeping it
accessible
>> Yeah.
>> to all
the areas that they're mowing. It just
seems like they really
I remember he was talking about poison
ivy and
>> Yeah, I was back there the other day and
it seemed like poison ivy is I don't
know. Like
>> And then they've been really on top of
the mowing. It's I know a handful of
people guests, just random people who've
said they've been out on the mystery
house loop like I didn't believe it. I
was like, "Really?"
>> And Nessel Nok is really signed
>> Oh, yeah.
>> a lot of that. Yeah, it's a combination
of the Jackson snowshoe trails.
>> Yeah, they really have. They've been
They've had horses on on trails out
there.
>> I Yeah, horses on them.
>> I walk it frequently.
>> 20 years now.
>> It's a neat trail system, actually.
>> It is.
Community garden?
>> Well, irrigation still isn't
functioning.
>> Okay.
Since the
>> Since well, they cut the lines when they
set the tank out there.
But we had a hose and a wrench.
But what's happened is I think the one
of the valves must be gone in the in the
timer.
And the box that's buried. So, I think
we're going to need a new timer for the
hose, hook it up,
and then maybe and still use the hose
above ground, but the town guys have
gotten in the habit now of like
the hose up
up to the library, so I can bring it
back.
Yeah, so I've got to call the gym.
And um
I guess we'll send it to the gym.
Um
the loading.
>> Jim, I know.
>> Yeah.
Cuz it's been
I've been asking for a couple of years
now.
>> Yeah, I mean seems kind of weird that
>> I know.
I think I need to get a new I think I
need to stop by.
>> You could just go to the swap.
>> Yeah.
>> You just say what you had before and
>> All right.
>> what was taken away and
>> I can do that.
>> I mean
>> Yeah.
>> They got a fire station out of it.
>> Yeah.
>> You could get
>> It was so funny they
>> your water line back.
>> in two places. Apparently, they replaced
the line,
but nobody hooks it up. So, we're kind
of like I can't even do what you try to
stop me from doing.
I think it's going to have to be cut.
I'm not sure.
>> Yeah, I mean it seems like
>> Yeah.
>> I don't know what that is.
>> At least we've been having water this
year, so it hasn't been past credit. The
library was good because they let us use
their timer.
>> Mhm.
>> So, then at least we you know, we made
it needed so we could use the timer and
put the hose out,
which came in handy cuz we had water in
the garden for the spring.
Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> natural water
>> Okay.
Um
Wildcat River, so our last month of
river monitoring is well all happening
in September and then
the data will be submitted to the state
and they release their report later in
the fall.
That that will come their final report
will come out
I think
usually in December. I think that's when
it came out last year.
And then we've received
a letter
to the commission. It was submitted to
the town.
Is that what you're here to discuss?
I also received a letter from
>> even know if if it was on the agenda or
not. I just wanted
>> We read it.
>> Is this the the annual one?
>> No, there's there's one from Anne
>> Garland.
>> And then
I also received the letter you had sent.
So
if you'd like to have that included in
the our meeting minutes.
>> Sure.
Sure.
And the letter can be shared, of course.
I know the select board has it on their
agenda for the 15th.
>> Okay.
>> And they're hoping DES they will pass
the DES fee there.
>> Okay. Can I ask if this Penny's letter
is similar to or is it the same
situations as or different?
>> No, it's it's more general.
>> Okay.
>> How is it that the water gets diverted
into the pond and then it doesn't go
anywhere? Because it's dry from where
the pond is.
>> Um no. Well, if you recall the letter
that we sent to DES, we raised
a number of issues.
Issue number one was the water
withdrawal rates in the winter for snow
making.
The second one that we raised was
the main channel
is actually what's the water's being
diverted So we've raised that issue with
DES.
Um
and then the third issue that we raised
was with sediment. And the sediment
issue is actually both the state and
town.
I know at the What's the one selectman
meeting before? I can't remember which
one.
The selectmen have now cited Black
Mountain.
Um but they have given them sort of a
caveat that if they clean up their act,
then the fines won't be in place. But
the fines are basically 200 bucks and
700 bucks for the first and then 500
bucks a day afterwards or thereabouts.
Um so we've raised all three of those
questions in the response that we sent
back to DES at that time.
Um
The one thing that I would note
is and I hope Anne
is
and I have gone back and taken a couple
of those and taken some pictures as
well. There's no question that the
that the main channel is actually pretty
much dry. There's a few pools in there.
If you have a heavy rain then it
overcomes the new burn that he's built
there, but to me that's illegal what
he's got going on. We've raised the
issue with DES. We know that there's
illegal stuff going on between them and
DES now.
We're not because it is legal, I don't
think we've seen some stuff, but I know
the selectmen have said that they've
gotten some correspondence back, but I
don't know what the correspondence has
been between DES and the selectmen.
But the issue that's raised here about
the diversion I think is correct.
The only warning I would give is this
means that somebody walked on Eric's
property to take these pictures. That's
illegal.
>> Cuz it's posted. I saw that.
>> Yeah. Uh it doesn't change the fact when
you're going into
um sniffing on somebody's property, you
need the permission to do it. I took
some photos, but it was
at a I took those photos from Route 16
in the right-of-way. I did not and you
can get a better picture of the way that
this was done, but but that is a
challenge that individual could have
from Eric that would be problematic for
this individual.
And I don't know whether your pictures
were taken on it his property or not,
but you do want to be careful about
doing that.
That's my
advice.
>> Um
I'm going to be going to guess
>> Even if the town wants to go, they have
to alert the DES, I believe, has to
alert that company here.
>> What if you're a guest at the end?
What if you're a guest at the end?
Maybe Ann stayed.
>> Um
>> I'm just saying anybody could stay there
and get pictures all you want.
>> He's got big He's got a lot of lawyers.
>> I My pictures also include
um
extreme turbidity
from Davis Stream Brook. Um
and very clear photos of Davis Stream
Brook mixing with
>> Okay.
>> Great Brook in the color, you know,
during rain events. So, we've got the
turbidity from Davis Stream Brook and
then there's the normal tannic acid
color water coming down from
Great Brook. It's quite
obvious as well as
photos of the stream coming in by the
ranch house, but Yes.
>> I have other photos.
>> But this is
I mean, it's a legitimate question
what's in this letter.
The reasons I say that is we put that
into DES as a major concern.
>> Can One One of the things under the
their dam permit is that
it was always supposed to be
the dam the the water isn't supposed to
be
the level of the pond for
kayaking and swimming and all that is
supposed to be lowered
during the summer. It says it in that.
>> I I don't I mean, yeah, I um
I don't know because of You know, when
we first moved here, we all used to swim
up there.
And then the
bacterial level, from what I understand,
got so high. That was probably because
of who raised pigs that were right up
there, logging and so on, which is not
atypical when we get runoff from animals
that um
And so, then that would have I believe
the there was shut down by DES because
of the bacteria count.
And that would have been in the '80s.
They used to all swim up there. You guys
swam up there. We never Yeah.
Um I don't
I'm not familiar with what you're
talking about, so I can't.
>> It's mentioned multiple times if you go
look in the folder
for Whitney's for that property that
they bought.
That it says quite explicitly that the
dam level is supposed to be lowered in
the summer.
>> That could be. Um and then it's a
question of whether that is a
requirement that is between them and DES
or whether that is just an internal
policy. If it's an internal policy and
now that
Eric has bought
it, he could change the policy at will.
I don't know what
>> Yeah, it it was it's listed on the DES
information.
>> I I'm not familiar with that, so I
can't.
>> Folks,
I have to go.
>> You have a quorum.
So you can still vote.
>> You want to
>> Yeah, vote me out.
>> See you later.
>> I appreciate the time.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Our next meeting will be at
the regular time.
>> Which Which also, Dan, when you're
taking the water samples right at the
bridge,
um
you want to make sure that you're doing
it in the road right of way, not on his
property.
>> I'm aware about his property, so
>> I only say that because of
And he was as you know, he got pretty
adamant with us about who flagged the
wetlands, which we were all clueless
about, but
>> Um
Yeah, so I I think
I don't know.
I You know, the other thing we could do
is just contact DES and just tell them
that we've continued to observe that
that byway is still dry all summer
outside of
you know, a major rain event and
we'd like an update on how how it's
proceeding. I mean, it would be a
question.
>> So, you're concerned about dam safety?
>> It was cited as an issue that could be
pursued separately from the
uh letter of
deficiency.
>> It's ranked as a non-hazardous dam.
Um
I think your your greatest threat if
that thing burst would be number one is
you get a settlement load, which is
pretty typical when that happens.
Um
how much damage? Probably the first
place that would see the damage would be
Eagle Mountain, of course, would be my
guess just from the bottom of water. If
he ex- and I I I'm going to guess that
he's probably going to need to do this,
but I'm just guessing, is he's probably
going to try to increase the volume of
that so that he can do snow making in a
more legitimate way and I suspect that's
what is between him and DES now as he
tries to get up to DES's
um
Obviously, if you have more water stored
there, then you may move from a
non-hazardous to a hazardous situation.
But usually hazardous is based on how
much water is there. If the thing
breached, how much would go?
But he does not have an emergency
spillway on that, for example,
on that dam, which is why when it was
filled, it was going over the back.
>> There is a bedrock spillway.
>> On the dam?
>> Yes.
>> Whereabouts?
>> As you're facing down.
>> So, you got the dam and then on the
left-hand side?
>> Left side is an overflow.
>> Then the question would be if it's earth
then it's pretty problematic. Usually a
overflow would be smooth.
So that it would not erode when the
water is going through it.
>> I'll inquire.
>> Yeah.
I don't My recollection from swimming
here is there is no
real overflow. There There might be
something that allows it to vent there
but if it's earthen
um water moving through earth, we know
>> very well
>> very quickly.
But usually on dams it's going to be
something that structurally is not going
to erode when it's being done.
>> Um
all right. Well
>> But we could write a letter to DES and
just say, you know, we have continuing
concerns there.
Um the main channel still continues to
be dewatered.
And we'd like an update.
>> What When is that select
>> Select the 15th.
>> I mean I I think
select The select board has requested
DES attend that meeting, correct? So I
think that would be
the time we have that discussion, so.
>> But I don't know when I'll be available.
>> Yeah. Yeah, they have requested
that DES attend at a select board
meeting on the 15th at 3:30, so.
I I'm not sure if I'll be able to be
there but I will make an effort.
So thank you.
Um
And and your letter and and I I'm I'm
going to assume that Anne's letter cuz
it was also select board
uh submitted to the select board will be
presented at that meeting.
>> You want to talk to Anne Garland, right?
>> Who's Anne Garland?
>> Yeah, on the pictures.
>> Um
selectmen meeting is at 3:30.
>> Yes.
>> All right,
Seth Tyler.
>> There will be a Zoom option.
>> It's my wife's property, that's it. I'll
see how excited she is about it.
See if Anne first selected it.
>> Stevie Nicks.
>> Uh
yeah, I got the perfect present for you.
>> Um anything else on Wildcat River?
Okay.
Um
letters will be going out to
easement
holders
this week.
Have you been out to overlook it all?
Have you seen all of the logging that is
>> No.
No.
>> That's
>> I was going to say
>> It's Yeah, Burgess Highland.
>> Yeah.
>> There's Yeah, I I It's posted. I looked
at the permit. It's just logging.
>> When did it start?
>> Uh it's been going on maybe like 2
weeks.
>> Okay, that's the trucks that have been
coming down.
>> Yeah, it's
>> Huh?
>> Yeah.
There's been a couple a couple of the
easements that we monitor. They've had
So, several of them have had some some
logging
>> going on.
>> But the conservation easement
>> allowed them to do the logging.
>> With a lot of logging.
>> The first time they cut heavy, and then
they cut heavy probably
>> Well, just something to tend to over
there.
>> Yeah.
>> The lower section of the Burgess section
that comes by our house was logged
pretty hard
>> Yeah.
>> at one point.
>> Yeah, that was
I don't know, that was 10 15 years ago
now.
>> Yeah. Anyway, just so you're
aware.
>> Yeah. You can see it's posted right by
the fire pond.
>> Mhm.
>> But read the easement first.
>> But if it's allowed
>> Yeah, yeah. And it's following
you know, proper then, so be it.
Um
Do you have any thing for wetlands or
Dundee
Forest
>> Do you have any updates on the resource
inventory?
>> Yeah, um
I'm a little behind, but I'm mostly
there. I just I wanted to raise a couple
questions here.
First off is
the assessment that was done by Upper
Saco Valley Land Trust the best that I
can tell was basically an update that
was done in 2022.
This does rely on the New Hampshire Fish
and Game's State Wildlife Action Plan.
Which is a premier tool that a lot of
those use.
The State Wildlife Action Plan was
updated in 2025. So, it is actually
relative to looking at lands relative to
wildlife value and so on and so forth.
And when I look at Upper Saco Valley
Strategic Conservation Plan and they are
having a meeting I think in September or
so.
>> Yeah, September 24th.
>> Yeah, September 24th. And I'm going to
check I may just check with Kate before
then.
Um
their priority areas do not reach up as
high as Prospect Farm area. Whereas when
you look at the State Wildlife Action
Plan, I'm just giving this as one
example. Um this is what I've been
trying to just overlay. I mean, these
are tools in the end we decide what we
think is is best for the town.
Um
for example, the 100 acres that sits up
at Prospect that's the private
parcel to them
is rated as real high within State
Wildlife Action Plan, which makes all
the sense in the world. Because upper
Snake River doesn't
priority area doesn't reach up quite
that high.
It doesn't flash
the same way. So, there's a few things
in there that's a little bit of cross
talk. And if you remember when we got
the
prospect management plan approved by the
town,
we had actually made a recommendation
that that definitely should be a
priority area. And we know that that was
contested years ago. We don't need to go
through all of that.
So, there's a couple of those things
that I'm just trying to chase out
and and and get squared away.
I think, you know, they
getting this like the soils maps and the
geology, a lot of that stuff is just
you go to the state GIS, which is
basically what upper Snake River Valley
is. And we we can put those in.
It would be almost a rehash of what was
out there before because a lot of that
hasn't really changed in a big way.
But then it gets around to what are the
recommendations that we make. I mean,
you can explain the situation that's out
there. And let me give you just
a few scenarios to take into
consideration that we don't need to
decide on today, but
for example, Jackson has a problem
that's it's looking for more housing. At
the same time, you want higher water
quality. You have steep slopes. You
have, you know, soils that can't take a
lot of septic systems. So, the town has
a soil base
uh
septic
as opposed to like 1 acre
is and and you know, and my
recommendation on that one would be is
you'd either recommend that the town
still maintain that strategy. The same
thing, the town has a river conservation
plan and it has stuff about what's
supposed to be enforced relative to
sediment runoff with construction, etc.
Um we know that the town was a little
bit slow in implementing the sediment
control of the black. I mean, they're
into it now.
Um and that's partly because we raised
another raised the question with the
town as to
we can't enforce this, but you do have a
law on the book and it needs to be
enforced.
So, our recommendation is in the
in the natural resource would be here
here's the conditions you have.
A number of these things the town had
was preemptive in developing a park.
They had to do that to get the
the wildcat into the wild and scenic. It
had to demonstrate that it had some
you know, money in the game as well as
just
getting a a designation with nothing
else attached to it.
So,
those you know, the two parts would be
and I think for the most part the town
has
you know, good zoning
out there.
It's a matter of making sure that those
don't get changed because they can get
changed. If your master plan sends you
in a different direction,
then it becomes problematic. You can see
this in the housing commission that's
looking at why can't we open up the
forest land for housing.
I went through this when they were
trying to put the bypass
in around North Conway and the route
they were going to do was try to when
you when as a town when you plan poorly,
then you look at whoever else's lands
are available. They were going to put
the bypass around the mole mountains
through our forest because there's
nothing there. That was only a result
because the town had done poor planning
up to that point. You have to be very
careful and particularly with this
administration of opening up Pandora's
Box about
uh you know, starting to sell off forest
service land to meet a need out there.
The these are the kinds of things that
it's not hypothetical anymore. I know
that the housing commission is is
exploring with the the forest service
county use some of the land
which is
Well, if you look at out west
the current administration is willing to
sell off national parks, BLM land,
forest reserves. The list is long. I
mean, they basically want to privatize
everything that's that's publicly owned.
So that'll be part of what we need to
discuss as we get into recommendation
section when we get there.
The resource base, I think most of you
know it.
The soils, the slopes, and so on and so
forth.
So that's
and I will I don't know what
people have other thoughts real quick
because I'll try to put in some draft
recommendations and then we'll need to
be
discuss those and so on and so forth
before we finalize
the resource inventory.
And some of it, like what Upper Saco
has, is it's been
they run it through a formula.
So you don't actually have the base
data, but I can access like slopes and
soils and that sort of stuff. And some
of it they have, but some they do not.
But it's the same database that the
state weather action plan would be using
as well.
>> So areas be
um
highlighted as areas as of high interest
to them in terms of
as a result of the natural this natural
inventory?
>> Oh, yeah. And then same thing is if you
want to preserve water quality,
you have to be careful about, you know,
your zoning laws relative to what kind
of development, how, where it's going to
take place, which is the septic, the
suburban runoff during construction,
etc.
And the town has fairly decent zoning
that's
>> What about trails and that sort of
thing?
>> The trails were put in and Mike, you
were going to do the cultural part and
give it to me.
>> Yeah, so I did
uh I did contact historical society to
see if they had
just something already existing. And
they came back and said, "All of our
things are in storage and we don't have
time right now to answer your question."
>> And there is some stuff out there
actually that's online.
>> Uh
I was going to
>> In the historic district.
>> Oh, yes, right, right. And that's what I
kind of That's mostly what I was like
looking for if they just had something
easy that was translatable that like
mapped out the historic district. Um and
when I asked that question, they
basically said,
"We're just
we're busy moving the building." Or I
guess the building was already moved at
that point.
>> It's a small town. Sure.
>> Yeah, they're they're they're busy. So,
I was going to uh
I was going to ask again um
to see if they just had something easy
and digital.
Um
now that it seems like they're getting
>> Well, I'll go back and get them to the
finish line.
>> I'm happy I'm happy to help.
>> And we do have what you what you've got
here, what they did for the town
in their original,
which was not the 2022, but it was the
was derived from pre-2020. They they
cuz the 2022 was an update.
And I believe what the town has on
record here
in their resource inventory was from the
inventory
They didn't have
>> Yeah, this is this is something else,
but yeah.
>> Yeah.
For the cultural component, what would
be most helpful? Something text-based or
something map-based?
>> Um
>> Or both?
>> Maps, you know, it's like pictures worth
a thousand words.
But I think also text-based. We we do
have a historic district here in town.
Um the other stuff that's probably of
interest is
um
you know, we have a number of historic
buildings like the Ham House, etc., that
are not in the hit
in the historic district.
>> Mhm.
>> And you know, that's the function of an
inventory is to list out what the town
has.
>> I know when you go up Green Hill Road,
you have to go up and climb Iron
Mountain.
That was last little funky building
that's half dilapidated was one of the
original schools. They used to be six or
eight schools. That's past that
building.
>> Yeah, maybe I'll ask
Ann Killian as well. Yeah, I think she
would be a good resource for that.
>> And Alice Pepper's book is a good
>> Mhm.
>> summary of a lot of that.
>> Mhm.
Um
Okay.
Um
Looks like we're moving along there.
I I
I'm
like looking at the
I've seen various
versions of this and like Eaton's
research it they they have it all on as
a as a website, but it's just using all
of those
land trust resources and then state
state maps.
>> Yes.
>> They're they're not generating a lot of
new stuff, so
>> No.
>> So, you didn't see nothing.
>> And actually she she sent uh
she has sent to me
and I can cookie cut out
the Jackson.
What I can't cookie cut out, but I'm not
sure that we really need it is if you
threw it into GIS, you could actually
start to generate some statistics, but a
lot of that stats exist that haven't
changed that much.
You know, like what percentage is slopes
greater than X percent, etc.
>> Mhm.
Yeah, I mean they the
Maybe I'll reach out to them and see if
they have a hard copy version of this
because they do have some narrative
narrative
>> I've already I'll get back in touch cuz
I've already communicated
>> Great.
>> communicated with Kate.
>> All right.
Um I just have a couple of other small
things. There's
a volunteer fair October 22nd at um
I can't remember if it's
at the library. Yeah.
to bring
uh
volunteer organizations in Jackson and I
think
kind of use it as a recruitment drive.
Didn't really generate
anything from it, but if anyone's
interested in
participating on that, it's October 22nd
at the Whitney Center.
So.
See if we can
get additional members or just
more visibility.
And then
the library will also be working with um
New Hampshire Saves to have a
winterization energy saving workshop in
November.
I said I would would help promote, so.
>> When is that again? November 7th?
>> 17th.
>> 17th.
Through the library. So.
>> How do you help
>> Promote that?
>> Whatever they want
>> Is telling the people
>> Tell Tell the people.
>> They'll They'll go out in our community
minutes.
Um
That is That is everything I have for
tonight.
>> Uh I have one quick new business thing.
>> Oh, okay.
>> And that is I had uh
someone that lives in town uh concerned
about some work being done at with next
to theirs.
Um a lot of
uh
material sediment. It's a building on a
steep slope. And uh after it rains, uh a
lot of that material coming down onto
their property, coming down into the
road.
Um
so they
We're This is um
up Jackson Highlands on a
Northampton Ridge.
And so I recommended uh talking to the
town inspector, maybe
writing a kind of a formal letter, that
sort of thing, taking pictures from the
road.
Um
and so the person
um
I don't think
they said that they had
uh seen the town inspector there and
briefly mentioned things, but hadn't
seen any changes, and then they'd sent
me some pictures.
So I said I would
bring it
to the meeting and um
I went up and looked at one point, but
I don't really know what I'm looking for
as well as someone like Brian Wood or
perhaps Ken. So um
>> Yeah, if you want to call me leading
>> Yeah, I might be able to give you give
you the address and
>> I think But for greater efficiency, they
actually should be bringing that to the
town because
the town has ordinances and it has
policy.
We We cannot enforce anything.
The town is responsible for both
checking on those and enforcing those
things. So the pictures should actually
be going to the town.
>> Yeah, I think I think she was
>> I mean, it's good to alert us so we can
support, but that's it.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> I think Yeah, I think she was maybe
looking for some help as to whether or
not what was being done was
you know, against town codes and things
like that. But yeah, no, you're right.
Um
>> You can go read the zoning laws. It's
all
pretty straightforward, actually.
>> Yeah, but it's hard for people to dip
People off and I've never known anyone
dip their toe into the
I don't want to be the person pointing
the finger. They just By doing that, the
hope is that
maybe
you'll tell somebody.
And this is just happening cuz it's
supposed to happen anyway.
>> Yeah.
>> But we have like what like what Ken
said, we have those things in place.
How long have I been on the board, Pam?
How long have you been on the board? How
often have you seen
the things that we talked about at
company meetings be enforced or
and then they black
>> Plan is a little different because
>> Well, somebody could draw a
>> DES is required to notify us and to get
our input.
>> Right.
>> And that's what we were talking about
all along.
>> Well, I mean
>> And I think it's good if people are
spreading it out. You should go tell the
selectmen, but I think it's good if you
tell your neighbor and tell someone
that's on the board that tell the
selectmen that's on the board that just
get the word out.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm friendly with this person.
I just think they felt more comfortable.
>> Yeah, and that's how I usually find out
my information. People just
>> But you can point out this
I mean, on the chapter and verse we put
in that letter to DES relative to what
the town's zonings are.
>> Mhm.
>> Because we also sent that to the town
the same time.
>> Okay.
>> Um
just so I make sure we don't forget
about this.
We are going to be hold holding a public
meeting to discuss
this plan on October 5th.
I'm going to say
7:00, 6:30 or 7:00
p.m. is that?
>> We should probably shoot for 6:30 and
that way we can just have our meeting be
shorter. If we do 7:00, it's a long
meeting and then another
>> Yeah, okay.
>> I mean, I don't want to
>> 5:00, yeah, 5:45.
I mean, we can
If if if it's preferable, we can do that
prior to holding the meeting.
With that
>> It might be harder for people to make
5:30. It can be tough for everybody.
It's
>> Okay. So, public meeting October 5th at
6:30.
>> I think that's fair.
>> And then we've got to have something
that they can look at in advance.
I would suggest that we make the
design plans
the response to the request.
We would be discussing
and I think that there was an emotion
that
we're recommending
as a conservation commission to move
forward. The conservation commission is
going to put up X dollars. I think we
said 45. And um
we would be
that this public meeting would be also
to see the town
put in the remainder.
>> Mhm.
>> And so that people come with some
knowledge.
>> Mhm.
>> I always hate walking into a meeting of
which I'm
trying to catch up to speed.
>> Right.
>> So, you put it on the notice and refer
people to
the website.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what you're saying?
>> Yeah.
>> Otherwise, you're going to be
pulling up
the picture and so on and so forth.
>> Yeah, I think you want to have the
information out there and make sure it's
I think almost worse is when
you think you have all the information
only to find out you go to a meeting
that has moved ahead of
the last information I left you. So, you
go there thinking you're going to
discuss something that's already been
decided and you're
>> Right.
>> This is what I thought this was for.
>> Yeah, I I think the only
guidance that I've gotten from the
New Hampshire Association is that it is
we don't go into the meeting with a
decision already locked in with the
place.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh for that purpose. So, I will
get the notice out on e-news and include
uh the design plans and the
quote.
Yeah, and so we'll do that.
>> And the Conservation Commission
would be putting up 45 and
they would be
a vote by the town whether we would put
up the other 45. It's a sounding board
if everybody came in and said great
idea.
Then you probably have a good chance of
getting it passed if everybody showed up
and said this terrible idea.
>> So, that'll go out on e-news ahead of
time.
>> Mhm.
>> So, it's another this is like this is
your first sounding board.
And we'll see who shows up.
>> Okay.
>> And if you can send me any engineering
stuff, that'd be awesome. If you have
that. If you have it.
>> And the only
I'll ask if there's any additional
materials.
>> Yeah.
>> Um okay. So,
I guess we just need to have a motion to
>> And say that Shawn will be there.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, that's Shawn will be there.
A motion to schedule a public meeting
for this at 6:30.
>> I'll make the motion.
>> Is there a second?
>> I'll second.
>> I'm going to say Pam.
>> Getting on the board.
>> Pam's getting on the board. It's quick.
>> All right.
All in favor?
>> Aye.
>> Opposed?
>> I'll abstain from that.
>> No.
Okay.
>> And then our next meeting will be
October 5th, regular time.
And is there a motion to adjourn?
>> Wait, may I make a comment?
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
>> Public comment?
>> Any additional public comment?
>> Any?
>> Thank you.
>> Motion to adjourn.
>> I'll second that.
>> Uh all those in favor?
>> I.
>> Opposed?
>> All right. Thank you, everyone.
>> Thanks, Ryan.
>> Thank you.
>> Thanks, Benny.
>> Thanks. Thanks for coming.
>> Ben, when you send in your view app,
do you put in any other comments because
you
>> Do you have the address?
>> Yeah, this property.
>> Um it's going to take me a minute to
figure that out.
>> I don't have the exact address. I tried
to
>> I tried to scroll down with the number.
>> I don't have the address off.
>> Yeah, let's turn this
>> Get out.
>> Yeah.
>> Cuz there's one quality and there's one
quality.
>> Um
it just would be an observation.
>> Since it's not a test site,
>> it's a it's above and below that.
>> Um
there wouldn't be
>> That's true.
>> There's a general comment
>> on the Insta.
>> Insta.
>> Oh, that's