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Planning Board Meeting - September 21, 2026

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And I was surprised when I saw that um
and actually one of the one of the big
things that we had asked about was uh
should it be [clears throat] just Travis
that drives and then I see in the
agreement we're now at or agents which
I I don't say um
yeah are Our fear all along has been
that this is just the start and it seems
like that's the path that we're going
down. Um we have we had talked about
how we appreciated the way in which
Travis drove past the house and that we
would like that to continue. And my
recollection was that the agreement had
that in there. Um, but it's not there.
And I would have us go to the minutes or
not the minutes, but the video. But
again, I'm not I have no confidence that
the video is there anymore. Um, yeah,
>> it should be there. Even if it's not on
YouTube, it's there, right?
I don't think it recorded.
>> I know there we've had that since co
>> there there was the the first meeting
that didn't record.
>> I mean there is the there is the thing
where we pause and then sometimes we
forget to restart. So now we now we just
tell people we're starting it and and if
you say it your your own.
>> So our concern is also we're we're
invisible and we're just we're prisoners
in our own home. I I don't know what
else to do. It's It's so uncomfortable.
We We I can't go outside. We can't sit
outside. It
>> It's so uncomfortable.
I I don't know what else.
>> I mean, the 20 The 27th of last month
kind of typified it for me. I had a day
that I was going to be remote, so I
didn't have to do my normal cleaning.
walked the dog in the morning and um
and was watching a fox or a coyote going
after mice in the field across. Not
something that I've normally seen around
the place. It was it was really
enjoyable. And then we ended up with
nine trips by Travis, which I thought
was,
you know, too many um based on the
agreement, but after reading it, I see
it's not. Um we ended up with
about 10 trips for the down truck coming
in. So, it was I'm trying to work from
home thinking I was going to get a
little peace and quiet and I got we had
a dump truck on a cadence of about every
20 or 30 minutes.
>> That that was
>> Do we have Do we have any indication of
why the town truck would be in there
other than to
>> It was they were doing ditching.
>> Oh, they were doing dropping off
ditching
>> the clean filling.
>> I would expect that that would not be a
regular like a year. No, a a yearly a
regular yearly occurrence because
they're using it's my understanding that
they're using a clean field to augment
their um house site and um
>> the town does need locations to be able
to get rid of the clean fill that they
ditch out on the sides of the road. I I
know we can't we're not you know we
can't say anything about that but it's
you know it's that was the cadence that
was originally proposed on this and
that's the cadence that I'm I'm afraid
of that at some point we're going to be
getting asked for um you know it's like
living in a construction zone.
>> It's so it's not a home anymore. It's
it's a business for us. It's just
>> when we bought the place, we bought the
place um it had been unoccupied for 5 or
10 years and it wasn't until this
process that I felt like we made a
mistake.
>> Well, there's no there's no doubt that
that you know with with the
and Travis and Avery are have a family.
that are going to be going in and out
for their business and you know with
cars and stuff and he's going to go in
and out at least once a day. Uh
>> it's more than that but yeah I mean it's
>> we're talking just about the
>> we're trying to we've been told to keep
it to the pit and that's what we're
trying to do to the pit business.
>> Yeah. Um I I I just I in
155E or whatever the regulation is for
the state the first one of the first
lines of the four was like four things
that the fifth has to do and one of them
was can't
dimin I can never pronounce it
diminishly
um uh detract from the use of the home
and can't uh deal with or can't alter
the home value. And I just I don't see
that the neighbors are having to sell
their property or selling the property
and have to disclose that there's a
gravel bed. So you you don't have to
disclose something because it adds value
to a property. It detracts.
and just
>> we're hoping that someone can see our
side and help us a little bit
>> or something.
>> Well, we we you know, we appreciate that
that your your situation has changed. We
and there was, you know, that there was
never any doubt that that was going to
happen. Um,
I'm not sure that I know how to help you
uh beyond uh making sure that that uh
Travis uh keeps to the decisions that
were made for his business and and uh in
terms of the number of trips and that
sort of thing. And I my understanding is
that the the uh the there's been dust
mitigation at least once and I'm not
sure maybe twice um
>> which is the normal cadence of the road.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So
>> that's the yeah we we get only get it
once a year.
>> Well and and if you find that that's not
adequate then there's no reason why uh
you know you can't contact the town and
ask for further assistance. But it's the
um if there if the the dust it's if that
itself is a is a problem then um you
need to let people know that it's a
problem. Uh this year has been fairly
wet in terms of you know regular rain
and so forth. So that I'm sure minimized
it. Um but there's no reason why you
know there couldn't be a second
application if that's what's necessary
in order to if in fact the the uh
the situation demands it. So, um, part
of that is communication,
but there isn't any way that we can make
the business go away and nor can we.
>> Are you talking about the business that
is not zoned for or are you talking
about the pit? Because it's two separate
things that we're dealing with.
>> So, the the there is
the business is zoned for that area. It
falls within the zoning rags for that
area. But so if it otherwise the zoning
board would not have approved the
preliminary.
>> We never got any notification.
>> There's two pieces that go on there.
Travis has his construction business.
>> Yeah.
>> Which as long as he doesn't have any
employees, he may hire a driver,
>> but but if he doesn't have multiple
employees,
>> then he doesn't have to go to the zoning
board. He he just has a dump truck and
he leaves during the day and he does his
job like Ken Rainey up on Cud and
Turnpike or you know Kevin was that way
on he
>> is that possible that you don't have to
notify a butters of a business
>> because it's his home occupation it's
his job he's he is a crafts can I finish
his job is that he leaves no
construction work is done on site right
he doesn't build on site the gravel pit
required especally exception. If he were
to go to the zoning board, he would
approve call he would apply for
something called an approved cottage
business
>> and he could have up to seven employees.
That's that's what the zoning ordinance.
Every every one of us who lives in town,
I'm worse because I live on a state
road. So you could have businesses next
to you that don't have the owner, but
everywhere in Planefield
without exception, you except for the
conservation zone, which you can't build
in, you can have a business of up to
seven people at your home. And if you
apply for it, unless it's a business
that is just so outrageous, you're going
to get it. And we have a long history of
these construction guys, Mark Wilder,
Kevin Magnar, Den Rainey. I mean, it's
very common. A business has opened hours
and closing hours. Correct.
>> Yeah. 7 to 5. I believe the zoning board
put
>> on the pit. On the employee comes in at
6:00 6:30 in the morning, flies by the
house, wakes us up.
>> That's okay. And then the one truck goes
out and then the other family wagon goes
out, the big huge massive one that's
there now.
>> The two of them go out and back and
forth and back and forth and back and
forth throughout the day,
>> right? And it sometimes it could come
back at 7 at night. It could come back
8:30, 9 at night all over the weekend,
>> all throughout the day, throughout the
weekend. So, shouldn't there be hours
where they are allowed to leave and come
back if Travis has so much better
>> if Travis has employees when I'm not
aware that he has employees? I know he
has contracted for trucks occasionally,
right? And but he can only haul 10 a day
on from his pit. Um, but if he has
employees, then we could send him to the
zoning board of adjustment and you would
go through the same process, essentially
the same. It's slightly different, but
you would think of it as the same a
process for the construction business.
Kevin McNamera was running exactly like
Travis Marsh is right now when his home
was on Bean Road. In the end, he didn't
want to live on next to his house
anymore. He bought his business. So he
bought the property on on on stage road
where he could do the business and not
live there. In the end he ended up
moving out of Rocky's house and buying
his own and building his own house. So
he has both up there now. But it every
business in Planefield the own that has
seven or fewer employees. It's not on a
state road. The owner lives on it or
lives next to it. The gravel pit is a
separate thing. It's a separate thing in
the zoning ordinance to to run an
excavation. But if Travis has grown to
the point where, and I'm not aware that
he has, but if he has employees, then he
should go through the zoning board for
that. And that and you're right, there
would be there would be rules and
regulations as to when the employees
come. It would be probably more liberal
than you'd like, but it would be
bounded. There would be answers to it.
Um, but in in essence, if Travis were a
painter or in this case a site guy and
he has a truck and a dozer and a backhoe
and he leaves in the morning and at the
end of the day he moves his equipment
around and he comes back at 8:00 at
night. You're right. I mean that that is
what you're going to see because he can
>> Yeah. No, and I get it. I mean the
season's just about over, right? Because
it's going
>> matter. Last year it was still Christmas
Eve. It went through January it went
through. But but I think the thing that
will be different this year is their
house isn't under construction, right? I
mean, it just simply isn't under
construction.
>> Well, the other thing that
>> Yeah. And well, part of part of the two
things going on that one is my
understanding anyway is that uh he has
been hired by the mirrors to haul co.
And so part of the going out is taking
his vehicles to do that, I think. Um,
and the other thing that I'm sure uh is
part of what you're talking about is
Travis drives his truck as his vehicle.
And so if he leaves to go somewhere, uh,
that becomes his car essentially and he
drives it.
>> Isn't it part of a business? If if he's
doing it for a job, isn't it a business
vehicle?
>> But he's a sle proprietor. So that's
>> I mean, but the the zoning board would
limit employees coming and going. Yeah,
>> they're never just I'm not trying to be
difficult in any way. They're never
going to tell a guy you can't bring your
low bed home at 8 9:00 at night because
what these guys do, and I've seen traps,
I've seen him on Sundays. They'll work
all week and then Sunday night they
position their equipment for their jobs
the next day. And so that's what he's
out doing is is moving that stuff
around.
>> But that's but this is our home. this is
where we want to go at the end of a
workday and just
>> but he's not he's not bulldozing on his
site at Sunday at 9 or your fields
obviously he's driving by a public road
with the truck on his trailer you know
the bulldozer the excavator at the end
of the day and as I know as much as it
pains you guys Cutler Road is just like
12A it's no different track Kevin
Magnamera could decide to drive into
Cutler Road turn around drive out and do
it all day long and there is nothing
that Donald Blafield can do to stop him.
He has a legally registered truck. Color
road is a class 5 highway.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean it's I don't think he's going to
do that cuz it was diesel fuel is $6 a
gallon. But you guys have enjoyed an
tremendous period of time on a
town-maintained road with no traffic.
The rest of us who live on town roads
have that kind of traffic all the time.
That that's just that's just what I
you've been fortunate. Now you see it as
a as a change. I get that. I mean it but
it is very common throughout town to
have these kind of trucks on the road
all hours of the day.
>> That close to a house
road
that close to the house doesn't buy you
anything. I know it does for you because
it's your home. But the road was there
when you bought it. When you saw the the
house in the road, color road was there.
It is a full public right of way
>> and we were told it was not zoned for a
business. It was wetland so nothing
could be built on it. We were told that
by Howard's egg. We were told when it
went on the market in the summer.
>> You know, it's a 300 acres of land. I
know what was going to happen to it if
Avery didn't buy it. I know because you
can see it on the other end. There was
going to be a road to Derby Lane. Um,
and and that would have been way worse,
I think. Way worse. Um, and so I mean, I
I get it. I understand your frustration
and I would be equally frustrated as you
guys, but at the end of the day, it's a
class 5 townmaintained road. There are
no limits on what traffic can be on it
at at what times of the day. I mean, and
we can limit Travis. If Travis is
getting employees, if he's the next
Travis, if he's the next Kevin McNamera
and he's going to go to five or six
people and they're going to start coming
to work every day,
>> we're not here to it's
>> but that's the next step. You're saying
what are the process?
>> We want to be good neighbors. They're
they're they're good people.
>> They are good
>> them. It's frustrating because we have
no privacy whatsoever. Nothing. And we
feel invisible. We feel like the town is
not seeing us.
It's been there for months and years is
that there's not anything that the town
can legally do to limit the activities
that Travis is doing on a public road.
What the limitations that he has as far
as the business aspect of it come into
play on the gravel pit.
>> Yeah. And that was where our biggest
complaint is is that, you know, I don't
think that the that an abandoned gravel
pit should have been reopened. And we,
you know, whenever we were said, well,
it detracts from value. It, you know, in
the in the in the decisions, it was
talked about, oh, the zoning allows it,
so it doesn't detract from the value.
Well, in the 155A, it doesn't say
anything about about detracting based on
zoning. It just says detracting from the
neighborhood.
>> And and you do have recourse there. You
can file you can file a tax appeal.
Every resident can you're about to get
your fall bill. You have until March 1st
of the next year to file a bill and to
make your case as to why your house has
the value of your house has been
reduced. I think Trenzo is about to be
sold. It sounds like there's a buyer and
we'll see that price as it compares to
market value. I don't know what they'll
get. I would grant you coming out
tonight looking at the trend zone
property their property is much going to
be much less affected than yours because
they can make different decisions right
they can put the house wherever they
want. Um you guys your house is where
the Tories put it or the Tor people
before Tori put it. Um but you can
absolutely file a tax appeal. Every
taxpayer has that right.
>> Yeah.
The other thing is that um as part of
the site plan review that we did
tonight, we did request that uh Travis
make copies of his logs for his trips so
that we can be sure of um how many trips
he's he sees that he's making. and he
he's only supposed to be making up to 10
trips per day and 25 trips or loads per
month. So that's if he does the maximum
of 10 loads in one day, he can only do
that for two and a half days out of the
month.
No,
>> but that doesn't prevent him from using
his equipment for his
>> for his personal stuff
>> for his personal stuff or for for
construction unrelated to the pit.
>> I mean, that's just the reality of it.
>> But hours. So, we Okay.
>> The hours of operation for the gravel
pit are actually in place for 7 a.m. to
5.
>> But for his business, it's just just so
we know, okay, at 5:00 we can go
outside. We can have a a campfire if
we're if the weather is right or we can
walk the dog and feel safe walking the
dog.
>> Do you generally find that he drives
responsibly?
>> He's claiming that he drives like 10 15
miles an hour on the road.
>> Travis is very very precise about how he
drives, but the employee flies by
accident.
>> I can actually I can tell the difference
between who he's driving.
>> I will I will check who do you know who
the employee I mean can you recognize
it? Is it a local?
>> It's a Vermont fleet that comes in every
day and goes out every afternoon.
>> And it's different than the rental
house. It's somebody that's working.
It's somebody that's working for Travis.
I find that out.
>> Well, but but if you want us to the way
to get those controls that you want is
to say, Travis, wait a minute. If you're
big enough now that you're using
employees, you got to go to the ZBA.
Then you will get a notice and you will
come. That is a very different process
with the zoning board. And I also
suspect I don't know uh that if Travis
finds that that it's reported that his
employee is zooming down the road, he
can put a stop to that.
>> Yeah. It's not that it's not that the
employee is zooming down the the
employee is about as mindful and I
didn't see it, but once he saw it, he
was
>> constantly texting. And if I were
outside,
>> I can tell the difference between when
it's Travis driving and when it's I mean
[snorts] that's
you know, instead of being able to
identify animal sounds, I'm being able
to identify shift patterns in a gum
truck.
>> So, basically what what we're saying is
that there's a lot of your concerns that
we we can't legally do anything about,
>> but there are some things that we can we
can check the log and be sure that
there's not more loads that are going
out. Steve can have a conversation
>> with about the employees and if there's
any kind of mitigation that can happen
as far as times of day with the big
truck going by. Those are conversations
that can be had
>> and if you could check to see if there
is any video of the meeting my
recollection and I
>> are you talking about zoning board or
planning board
>> I can't remember which one
>> April was there was there was a meeting
and where you know basically the rules
of what was supposed to be done on the
pit or for for taking stuff out of the
pit and my my recollection was that it
was only Travis
you know that that was the no that was
the no self in in what I see online I
see that you know it's or agents which
because when when he first approached us
about this he was talking about it being
just him and then when we showed up at
the meeting that night it was him or
whoever you know was driving the truck
and we immediately
brought that up and said we want we want
somebody that is um has a vested
interest in this behind the wheel, not
an employee. And my recollection was
that it was it was in the the agreement,
not the agreement, but whatever. Yeah. I
mean, what one of the things we became
educated, we'd forgotten about. the
zoning board issued a a very standard
ZBA decision and then there was a case
for rehearing
>> and that got more formal and they ended
up writing what looks like a seven or
eight nine page decision um and you know
it says so the one the one that stands
is 251 on rehearing that was essentially
another case um of this where they
upheld their decision but fleshed it out
in even more detail um and so I think
the Mars ES would be correct in saying
this is our decision. This is what got
signed. This is this is what we have. It
did. There was the discussion about
Travis mentioned it in the pit about
numbers of trucks and he gave up
Saturdays. Like apparently he does not
he he would say he does not haul
material on Saturdays. It doesn't mean
he doesn't drive his trucks. He doesn't
go to he doesn't haul material out of
the gravel pit on Saturdays.
That's I mean that's I don't know. But
that's what he says in terms of he and
Avery tonight when we were in the gravel
pit. He said that
>> he gave up Saturday.
>> Okay.
>> Well, it says here hours of operation of
Monday through Friday 7 to 5. Saturday
and Sunday's closed. So the pit's not
open. But for you guys, it makes no
difference what truck what's in the
truck. It's just that the truck goes by.
I I get that. I mean, I do it.
>> Yeah. Again, again, my
hopefully the video of the meeting
resides cuz I my my recollection was cuz
that was one of the things that we had
asked about was it being as we had
talked about the logging trucks that
have been going by and and just wanting
somebody with a vested interest in the
operation of the pit behind the wheel.
And that was my rightful life, Jim. But
I'm,
you know,
>> well, we can check on that, but I think
that that um
>> we have we have done what we can do this
evening. So, um, thank you so much for
coming in and,
>> um,
>> and I would consider, I mean, it won't
help with the trucks, but if George
Hildam agrees that your house is worth
10% less or 20% less or whatever case
you can make, I mean, you're the
taxpayer, so you have to make the case
and George Hamm's the assessor. I'm not
done by the selectman, not done by the
planning board, zoning board. You at
least get the benefits of that. You pay
less taxes. And so that costs you
nothing at the local level. Um you
simply would make you, you know, by
March 1st following your November tax
bill, you would write the reasons why
you think that your value of your home
has been reduced and you would make that
as detailed as possible. Studies that
you've can find online. Make the case
that your house is less valuable. Now
George will look at it. George will meet
with you. You can talk to George about
it. He's another whole person. none of
us and he'll make a decision on that and
that's an appealable decision. But I I
mean George is so I would say the one
that I can remember happening is a
gravel pit at back office. Um if you go
know where the back office property was,
there is a there was a not a gravel pit
a junkyard in it's actually in Enfield
that the back office had to drive by
every day to get to their house. They
made the argument that that junkyard
devalued their house and they got an
adjustment because of that. Um I don't
think it was an adjustment that took the
back off and placed a you know an
unreasonable amount of taxes but George
saw their case that when they were going
to their house the fact that they went
by this very large junkyard in Enfield
it was a problem. So that is something
every taxpayer gets to do anytime they
want to after the fall bill but get it
to us by March 1st.
Thank [clears throat] you guys.
>> Thank you.
>> Um,
you see a Donnie Goodman out there? Is
he in the Is he around the corner? The
door seems like it's moved a couple
times.
>> No, just me.
>> Just you. You don't look like a Donnie
good. Not the Donnie good I
>> Well, maybe if she frowned.
>> Let me see.
Is there anything from Donnie?
Um,
>> I've not ever seen Donnie Goodwin. I
don't know.
Donnie good and I talked today um about
some of the concerns on his project and
I did he leave
>> Have you guys visited it?
>> We were there today. We were less than
impressed. [laughter]
It looks like a disaster.
>> Yeah.
>> And I don't know. It appears that
>> it's a 12y old on a bulldozer.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I I've never seen
Donnie has done a lot of projects. We
all know that. I have never seen a
project done this way. I I don't know
what he's in his timing before the night
of the planning board hearing. Um, can
you hand me the file? I'm going to give
him a call and see if he's coming
tonight or if he's withdrawn or what
he's done.
>> Yeah.
>> Leslie, are you here for for that part
of the meeting or something else?
>> Learn how the town runs. So, I'm going
to all the board meetings and try to
meet all the people and but
>> careful, you'll get on one. [laughter]
valid. Um, but I'm a neighbor of that
property and so I was interested to see
what it was planned.
>> Looks like a disaster to me, too.
>> And it's not at all. Donnie is a very
aggressive, very honest person. He does
exactly what he says he's going to do,
and he typically does it well. Not
always what people would like to see
next door to them. This is different. I
don't know what this is and we're we're
trying to figure it out. We're trying to
be fair. Um I don't know what it is.
>> It looks like a fairly aggressive use of
>> Yeah.
>> Um I do my main concern is is with the
wetlands the
>> Yeah. There's those there's a perennial
stream that they cross and then there's
the great brook that they cross
>> and typically you do logging in the
winter because frozen wetlands aren't
wetlands and they can get away with a
lot more stuff.
>> But they did in the middle of the summer
when you're not supposed to cut trees
because there's bats in the trees.
>> There's no there's no best management
practices that that stream. I don't know
how they cross it. Yeah.
>> Sil fencing up or anything to prevent
the
>> No. None
>> totally stripped soil from just washing
right.
>> And and if you looked at the driveway
that he's now cut, which is not the same
is what's on the plan,
>> it's it's 25%.
>> And the bank it where it's cut, I mean,
it's just raw bank there. There's no way
that's going to hold.
and then sure
>> all those trees are
>> now I do. Thank you. All right.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, he has withdrawn for now until
he straightens this out. He said it
would be nice to maybe let me know that.
>> Yeah.
>> But let's look um what I don't think
anybody has jumped on so I don't have to
share. But um
>> what are we going to look at?
>> Camera. It's all I can really. But I can
I'm going to go here.
I don't know how I'll show this. I guess
I'll just say that the applicant
withdrew for the moment and I'll figure
it out when when I talk to him next. But
it's going to be a while since you hear
from him. He's got to know. I mean,
Whoops. I'll rename it.
>> No, this is not his first parade. I
mean,
>> oh, but it's And I can't believe he did
that work. But
>> but maybe he didn't. Maybe
>> this is what the property looks like
before the cut,
>> right? So that's the perennial stream.
There's the house which was the Dupri
house with a little sawmill across the
road.
Donnie bought it and he has a lot on
that side of the road, Ross's side of of
120 and he has one big parcel over here
that is he wanted to subdivide and Mike
and I at Mike's urging went up today to
to look and
>> you guys have all the fun. Well, you
could always come.
>> Well, nobody called me.
>> We found this.
>> He has cut this drive in
>> that is incredibly steep and this is his
logging access. That's his codroy bridge
or whatever those guys call it. This
little brook is now buried under brush.
It's just you can't There's There's a
buffer which he doesn't have.
>> There's [clears throat]
He says there were no trees there. They
didn't cut any buffer.
>> The Google Earth suggests first of all
>> the buffer does not require trees.
>> It requires
>> it requires natural vegetation and that
can be bushes. It can be whatever. That
doesn't mean that there was no buffer.
>> There's no support on either side of
that cut in driveway.
>> So these are kind of out of order, but
that's great brook, which we know has
eastern brook trout in it. It's a
beautiful little stream. And this is I
think one of these will be the flow into
it from that. This is behind the house
behind the Dupri house. There clearly
must have been a pond many many moons
ago cuz that is some sort of a dam. You
know, you crank it to let water out.
>> The gate to let water out.
>> There is in the back here this little
stream that's right here which is that
perennial stream and it's coming through
the gate. There is a culvert actually
that it runs through which must have
been part of the old pond.
This is where it enters into
um Great Brook. So it's a flowing happy
little stream there.
I hope you guys were careful for poison
either.
>> Oh, we were careful.
And I just don't
understand.
>> Yeah. Go back to the one before that
that you had.
>> Right. I don't understand what this one
is.
>> Oh, this is No, I know. But I mean,
literally, you can't see the brook here.
It's under so much debris.
>> You can see the brook around the corner.
That's about where the gate is. You can
see the brook when it comes out on the
other side of the codroy bridge. And
right here is like the worst wetland
thing I have ever seen. They just bombed
it out and filled it with full of brush
tops.
>> And Donnie says, "Well, I'm going to
clean those out." And I said, "Well, you
can't take an excavator into the brook.
>> You're going to without the st I mean,
you can't. It'll be a great opportunity
to rechan the brook, right? Quality."
The other thing he said to me when I
talked to him because I didn't want to
surprise him, you know, the plan is with
the state of New Hampshire, that great
state, to use this driveway to to go up
here. So, this is not the road.
>> It's it's here. And he says, "I'm not
putting the covert in. I'm going to
bridge it so wide that I'm I don't need
a wetland permit."
>> Well, I looked I looked and I didn't
look for long, but I suspect that that
may not be accurate. Yeah, I don't think
it's accurate.
>> I mean, there's all kinds of regulations
for bridges and I don't know what
constitute a stream too too small to
care about, but I didn't read any
regulations that suggested that. I mean,
I have
>> S and I put in our driveway. We had um
an intermittent stream that went across
where the water flow was that wide. The
wetlands was like 20 feet. Yeah,
>> we had to put in a 30ft culvert
>> and here
>> to transport that.
>> And I'm not going to suggest for a
minute that in playing field as people
have developed house sites, culverts
haven't gone in driveways. I mean, they
they happen, but this is a perennial
stream flowing into great brook.
>> Yeah.
>> Then the thing that goes under the road
is like I think it's four foot square.
>> That was the next thing I was gonna say
is that look at look at the crossing for
120. It's not a 12-in round pipe. It's a
>> Right. It's a big concrete box pipe.
>> Right. So, this is a real
>> It's a cluster.
>> Yeah.
>> And so, I think what to be fair, and
this is a recorded meeting, to be fair
to Dawn, I have told him that he needs
to get some wetland scientists out there
and to figure out a remediation plan
that he's going to have to approach the
state, which is going to mean
approaching the conservation commission.
He just said, "I'm going to take care of
this. I'll see you when I have taken
care of it. So I mean I think what I
will do is I will share what we have
observed with the conservation
commission just so they have a meeting
this week. Yes.
>> Just so that they're aware of it that
they're aware that we're aware of it.
>> Um if they want to take a more
aggressive stance then I mean I said to
Dawn today if you have a thunderstorm
right now
>> Yeah. you're going to silt in the little
brook which is going to silt in great
brook and and he knows he can't do that.
He needs to get some silk fencing up
ASAP and figure out with the right
person how to clean now knowing
he needs to figure out with the right
person how he's going to clean this up
properly.
>> What's it what are his plans for across
the road? because that's
>> well he has done he has done a a large
he bought it as he told us in the town
office all I can say it a year he bought
a $30,000 bridge that you put in place
he put concrete blocks which he says is
are out of the jurisdiction of wetland
and
>> they're not out of the buffer
>> and they're not out of the buffer and
he's he uses one of the things that you
will see and I don't know
>> it'd be fun to talk to somebody from
dees about it logging gets special
privilege.
>> You can put on it notice by um permit by
notification
>> on your intent to cut and you you know
you can't run rush but you can run logs
into a small stream so the so the
skiitter goes over it. Donny's put this
bridge in.
>> I think that's way different than saying
that's the bridge for the next
residential house that gets built over
there or a residential house. But I
think Donniey's plan is to leave that
bridge and that's their bridge. That
when you buy the lot, you get the bridge
and that's how you get to your house.
>> And I think that he'll find out the
state won't buy them because the state
has construction standard for bridges.
And I don't think they'll allow him to
put those,
>> you know, the we have one on Brook Road.
We have a little private bridge on Brook
Road that is for all the world looks
like a town right by right by Jenny
Road.
>> Well, but this one this one has
absolutely nothing on the sides. It
basically looks like the the uh bridge
that the army
>> Yeah. very military plops over things
and that's what I mean that's that's
what it looks like pieces but
>> that one probably is never in front of
the planning board but will be front of
the the town when a buyer wants to get a
building permit for that and so we need
to create as much record that you know
that's going to have its own level of
review that's different than this
project it's a separate lot
>> here I think you know I think I hope
Donnie hires somebody who will get
through the state process I think we
can't
this this would be reviewed by the
conservation commission and the
selectman and dealt with however it
would be dealt with. The planning
board's being asked to create a lot that
uses that as an access and we can't
>> we don't have the proper paperwork in
place right now to do that. Right. I
mean I think it would be one thing if
the property had never been touched.
>> The planning board might approve it with
the condition that you need a wetland
permit to cross that stream.
>> Yeah.
>> But we never got that chance. and and
this is marketkedly different than what
it used to look like.
>> Well, maybe he's working on the
assumption.
>> This picture does not show it
adequately, but the this drive that he's
put in is at least a 20% grade. It may
be closer to 25%. And he he concluded
today it is not it is in the same place
that he had was bringing a plan for
tonight from his from his surveyor but
it is in a different place than on the
original planning case.
>> That's right.
>> Um and so I think all of those things
are true. I think what we know tonight
is that subdivision has been withdrawn.
We have a bit of a wetland issue that
needs to be taken care of. just a bit
>> and and but he's aware now he and that
that the town is aware and he needs to
make those actions before he comes back
on the board and you know I'll make it
decent for him when he we'll renotice it
to a butters I won't charge him the
whole 700 bucks again but I'll charge
him whatever the cost of noticing it is
including down office time we'll we'll
treat him fairly u but we will this this
effectively didn't happen not happening
there's no hearing tonight
>> right got it so minutes and get out of
here.
>> Okay.
>> I've had about three hours sleep. I'm I
want to go home. I
>> Yeah.
>> And you should drop off a resume. Zoning
board, planning board, select board. We
got things.
>> Yeah.
>> When I say a resume, I just mean a If
you're [clears throat] interested, we
always need people. We do. We always
need to make a comment. I know there's
specific kinds of
>> public facility.
>> I would certainly be glad to hear from
you. I don't I'm not gonna have like a
long
>> So Mike's acting a cease order or
whatever was going on the other day.
Somebody's gonna have to fill me in on
that one.
>> Um
>> that creek actually starts above my
property in the Meadows End.
>> Ah yeah.
>> And comes through my property goes
through Don Canan property across.
>> That's the one. So that's one of the
ones they're doing the little brook
trout renovation. They're doing some
work up up way up on Meadows End's
property. We got all via butters got
>> that they're doing. So I just wanted to
bring that up because they're doing some
work
>> to make it better.
>> It's going to flow downstream and just
get
>> what's what's interesting and I did have
a chuckle today and I will I would be
happy to have this chuckle on tape.
Meadows end is following this process
with the Department of Environmental
Services. And if you follow brook trout
at all, and I'm a big brook trout guy,
there's a guy over in Vermont who is
doing seinal work on protecting brook
trout streams. And the term he has
developed that we can all understand is
wood is good. And so part of the meadows
end proposal way up in the headarters of
these two streams that run in different
directions is to add a little bit of
wood to to help slow the brook and make
it more pool shaded. And it's proven to
be good for brook trout.
That's a fair amount of wood.
>> Yeah, I don't think that's what
>> No, I don't think that is the wood that
that that you're looking at. Um, but
that's interesting. So, that is the same
stream
>> of one of the two. One goes to one goes
to Lumisbrook
>> on the other side and one comes this way
and that's that. You've helped me then.
>> There's a closed in wetland up there
that's like it's got grown over. I'm
sure it used to be open.
>> Yep.
>> Um, but
>> but they they both
>> Yeah. that comes right down through the
back of my property and then it crosses
over to Dons and then Karen I think are
>> so except in the most um hottest driest
summer days summers is that a perennial
stream is it flowing most of the time?
>> Yeah, absolutely.
>> Okay, good. That's your experience that
it's all
>> when I go what's behind on my property I
can hear it trickling going through.
>> Okay, good. Good. So minutes, Mike, we
did have minutes.
>> Yep, we did. Um, and they were the
hearing I think on the
>> Elise gave me some changes that she had
suggested edits and things. I haven't
gotten to them yet, but I have them on
my desk.
>> Okay. And I did
I did scan it, but I have not read it in
detail. I'm sure there's
So, was Kent here?
>> What does it say, Kent?
>> It's on the second page.
>> I thought you were maybe making up.
>> No. Where did
>> um
>> I was on the second page.
>> The part Well, did he come? Is he listed
on?
>> He's Yeah, it said uh select men Weber.
>> He was in there.
>> Yes. Yes, he did come.
>> Okay. Yes.
>> See, I I did remember that he had come,
but I know that. Oh, school board
member, not select board member.
>> Norm
is a school board.
>> I saw that and I thought it said select
board member. change that.
>> I haven't I I just have you I printed
your email out. It's just sitting on my
desk.
>> Ignore that one because I saw that and
read select board member because I got
select board on the brain.
>> Mhm.
>> So it was only the other thing,
>> right? So the other edits were were
mostly just commas and and correcting,
you know, although I've tried to use jet
chat GPT before it kills me.
>> [laughter]
>> Oh, the other thing was that ADU
um the housing
um is it
>> is it approximately 2,000 a month for
ADU or did we mean that to the
apartments on the
>> in Planefield? Yeah.
>> I think if you got a if you got a
detached ADU for 2,000 a month, you'd
have a deal. The rents are nuts.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, I think if you have a room in
somebody's house with a hot plate,
they're giving you 1,200. Yeah, I just
wasn't sure if that was supposed to be
ADU or if it was supposed to be for an
apartment because the first number is
for a single family home.
>> And the only thing that I think we're
missing now on the master plan to have a
vote to approve is that Bev had said
that she had some comments. I know she's
been on vacation and she's involved in
the the the person that's going to free
me. Uh so I think I'll we're not going
to adopt it tonight anyways. I'll I'll
remind her again that if she had
comments, we'd like to have them. I
mean, she came to the public hearing,
she made comments, we said she'd get
them to us. We we'd certainly like to
have them.
>> Well, and especially in as much as u the
comments and contributions to uh subject
matter that she wanted to add. We're
supposed to help get grants,
>> right? Yeah. I mean, she was, you know,
was a nurse.
>> So, we can do that, but I think the rest
of it is pretty straightforward.
>> Yep. All right. I will entertain a
motion to accept.
>> I move that we accept the minutes as
presented or as amended.
>> Amended.
>> Seconded. All in favor?
>> I.
>> You have to say I because you're
I to make a quorum. I'm using my
alternate card.
>> You're using your alter.
>> But I wasn't going to vote on any good.
I typically don't do that. No. I try to
just be here for the quorums if I have
to be. And I think we Jane is away
coming back tonight and Eric had a had a
last minute commitment but we will I
think in our next
>> we still we would welcome another
member. We would
>> we wouldn't
>> and the master plan has been
>> right now is the time to jump on and
actually we could use two members
>> but Mark oh Matt George Matt Matt George
Matt George Jane for some reason on gave
him a pass until after we were done
right but we are basically done now but
we definitely can all this board at full
group is seven with two alternates.
Yeah.
>> And the ZBA is five with two alternates.
That's what we essentially run below
full membership.
>> We're running.
>> So, you know, if this doesn't bore you
to death, u check out like Google on um
you know, do whatever people do, but New
Hampshire Planning Boards, there is just
tons of information there. There's a
there's a book that you get that has all
the statutes. The majority of what we
>> try to
no the majority thing that we do is site
plan reviews for businesses which you
we're getting a little bit of a feel for
here. One that's not perfect for for a
neighbor and then and subdivisions of
land. Most of our subdivisions other
than the vendido project of the last
couple of years, the primary subdivision
we see is what Donnie was Goodwin has
proposed for this property is onesies
and twoosies. They tend to be easier and
they most of the people that we see
subdivisions for are selling a lot for a
college education or for the kid, you
know, to give it to the kid. Um,
Planefield because of its lack of water
and sewer and available land where
there's water and sewer, we get very few
largecale projects and historically the
people who have owned hundreds of acres
own it because they want to own hundreds
of acres and they haven't subdivided.
Um, Vendido was a little bit of an
exception of that rule, but the board
typically when we're not doing a master
plan update, thank you, Select Jalo, the
board meets twice a month, but often the
first meeting of the month, we don't
meet if there's no project that we're
working on,
>> but we do our public hearings on the
third Monday of the month.
>> Yeah. and one of the the the the
document that the state puts out
occupies a wonderful space on your
bookshelf, but don't let anybody tell
you that we've all read it cover to
cover because that is not the case.
>> But it does codify in one place the laws
for for
>> for planning boards, zoning boards, and
select boards.
>> That's I mean, when you were having the
conversation with the two people who
were sitting here, that's what I don't
know. You said that there's nothing that
you guys have the legal
right to do to that business to make
their lives better, you know.
>> Well, and and the reality is for them
that their their house is literally 25
ft from the road.
>> Yeah.
>> A road that had zero traffic before
Travis and Avery bought 300 acres, which
had been the Stockwell Farm, and Betty
was 78, never drove.
>> And so now she's passed and the property
went for sale. the Marshes bought it and
are using it much more like most
properties in town. Young couple, lots
of trips. Travis does have a a site a
business and so but if he gets to if he
is growing in terms of employees then
there is a process where he he can be a
little more restricted by rules. Yeah.
>> You know um
>> his employees but not him as a resident,
>> right? I mean, as a resident, he has a
right to drive down that road at any
time of day he wants as many times as he
wants. And I know that that's not what
the Dwanies wanted to hear. But one of
the one of the things that we might ask
him about like when he's hauling
silage for the magnameas
>> instead of bringing that truck in and
out from his place, could he not park
that trailer
>> at the magn
>> and then have his helper guide if he's
got somebody else?
>> Yeah, we got to figure that piece. I'll
I'll get I'll get on that in the next
day or so. We'll figure
>> that I wanted to bring up. I don't know
whether it's like a planning board side
or a select board side, but is there a
way that we can have the uh road guys
find a different place to put the clean
fill?
>> Yeah. I mean
>> I mean I know that is probably wanting
to have it, but you know
>> I mean we don't haul it from one side of
the town to another. Yeah.
>> You know we try and we have it is common
for new property owners. You know you
bought a new house and so you you want
some.
We have discouraged Rich from from doing
that just because of the Rich didn't
know he was just doing whatever you know
he was he was ditching on Leoo Hill.
Yeah.
>> And he's like sure we can it's a short
hall for us. We can gladly get rid of
some
>> and um but I that just rubs salt in the
wound understandably. No no no one would
no one would would doubt that. Well,
especially with the amount of ditching
that they got
>> you and you went by it cuz when you
drove into the pit that first field
there was a wind row of loads.
>> Uh and so that was it. Yeah.
>> One one other thing that I would I would
tell you that I've been working on um
and I'm trying to share with everybody
else and get a little enthusiasm for um
I' I've built a little project, an AI
project where I put our documents into a
folder and then basically can ask it to
to find all of the uh references to
wetland buffers, right?
>> Whatever.
>> Right. And because we u and hopefully
when we get the state one I can add it
and we can do some things like
>> the new state book that's just that we
just ordered our um web page wizard
access information that
>> one of the other things that I
>> I'm working myself out of that.
>> You can't see Mike's wings because
they're underneath his chest but he's
been doing this stuff for the town for a
long time.
I want you to know that my access
>> to the website is now come on
>> I have no access to it one
>> a subject matter
>> no not municipal one they're blue host
I'm sorry
>> how can I phrase it generally
>> I can live with that can't live with the
other
>> we become aware of as a board that would
help to improve the quality of life
within the town we are the board that
writes up the proposed ordinances to to
be voted on at the town meetings to be
placed into the regulations which are
what the zoning board used to determine
what is allowable within the town. Did I
phrase that correctly?
>> Pretty much. I think you do. So, in that
sense, we don't ha we don't have uh I
would say legal power
like the way that the zoning board does,
but the work that we do here does impact
the quality of life within the town.
>> Okay.
>> So,
>> and it's interesting.
>> So, keep showing up and we'll make you a
member.
>> Well, next meeting is conservation
committee, right?
>> I think Thursday night you probably hear
him talking about Dr.
>> Projecting for kind of makes me good,
too. They'd love you, too. Are we ready
to go, Michael?
>> Yes, sir.
>> Yes,
>> I think we are. I am.
>> Motion to adjourn.
>> I second.
>> Yes, that's a journ. Again,
>> the planning board is much less formal
than the select for