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SAU#68/School Board Meeting/8-13-2025

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We will call to order a special school
board meeting. Um,
we decided to schedule a special meeting
so that we could solicit input from the
uh, community
as I think required by the new statute
as well as I think best practices for us
u when we're instituting kind of a new
pretty broad policy that's going to have
a a wide effect this year. um just to
try to get some feedback from community
members about a couple uh of the key
issues with respect to the policy. So um
I think probably everybody's aware that
New Hampshire legislature has enacted uh
legislation requiring school boards to
adopt a policy uh prohibiting personal
electronic communication devices from
bell to bell opening bell opening bell
of the day to the end of the day. um in
the school. So, our current policies for
the middle school, that's the current
policy anyway. Um for the high school,
we do our our current policy did allow
them to use their uh phones and things
like that in between classes or during
break periods. That would no longer be
allowed. the the the
feedback that we're trying to get, I
guess, from from you folks and from
community is
to help us kind of target the policy
with what what the community thinks are
are sort of going to be in the best
interest of the school and the kids. So,
in the notice for the meeting, we
included a couple different things. The
first is uh what the definition of a
personal electronic communication device
is because it's not specified in the
statute. So there's there's cell phones
totally identified. I think that's an
easy that's an easy one, right? Um but
there's a a broad range of different
electronic devices that have the
potentially have the capability of being
used to communicate but aren't
necessarily primarily a communication
device. And so one of the things that
we're that we wanted was some feedback
about how broad we want this policy to
be. Do we want it to include
everything that has the potential to be
used for communication or do we want to
have it more tailored and more limited
to things that are primarily being used
for communication? U so that's the first
issue. Um and there's some different
different definitions, right? So
basically uh different schools have
enacted different different breaths of
definition for that. Uh and so I guess
we we're we're sort of hoping that we
get some feedback about what the
community wants in that regard. Next up
is sort of enforcement policy
and enforcement and sort of consequences
kind of hand in hand. Um
number one, you know, what do we feel
like is the best way to enforce that?
who who are we putting in charge of
that? Who's going to be the ones that
are, you know, I think like most
policies in the school? It's going to be
a mix of administration and and faculty
and staff that that do that. But, you
know, sort of hopefully looking for some
guidance uh on that. And then what do we
what do we think are the appropriate
responses? What do we want the the
response to these violations to be,
right? Um in terms of how serious are we
are we going to treat these? what are we
going to do in terms of um of when a
when a kid is found in violation of the
policy? What do we do uh with with the
electronic device? Are we are we going
to take it? Are we not going to take it?
>> Things like that. And I think there's a
number of sort of issues that come up
with all these things. And so we're
hopeful that we wanted to put it to the
community to solicit feedback about what
what you know the stakeholders feel is
appropriate under the circumstances. Uh
and given the latitude that the or sort
of the I guess we'll call it latitude
but I think it's just they were pretty
vague about the the statute um that we
do have some latitude to uh craft the
policy and what we think is going to be
best for our schools. something. Uh, I
guess unless anyone else on the board
had comments that they wanted to preface
and we'll look at that to um the
community or anyone that had any input
on any of those issues or any other
issue that you see that may be coming up
with the um
that may that may come up with regards
to these policies. I don't want to limit
it to to those three issues. Those were
just the three that we identified.
>> Absolutely. if you just come up to the
to the um the stand and introduce
yourself.
>> My name is Tammy Janette Dutilly. Um
there are a few issues I want to talk
on. Uh number one, we have a wonderful
officer that works in the schools, but
she's only one person. And when I left
the house on the news, they were just
talking about the shooting in New
Hampshire. They were just talking about
slow practices
for safety in a disaster situation.
Um
I get emotional Tim here with us because
I love my daughter dearly but I just was
diagnosed with three bells to my heart.
So my daughter is going to be 18 in
February.
If there's ever a disaster in the school
and she didn't have her cell phone but
had the opportunity had she had her cell
phone to call and say, "Mom, this is
happening. I love you."
Who is the board or the school or any
cop to say you can't hear your
daughter's voice to the left?
that is very dear to my heart.
She would be 18 February Thursday. She
wasn't an adult. I personally feel that
each individual teacher should decide.
My daughter just got on the National
Honor Society. That is something to be
very proud of.
So, I'm sure she probably does snitch
your phone once in a while in the
classrooms depending on the classroom.
But I think it should be up to the
teacher to decide
is it worth taking a phone? Is she
paying attention or are they paying
attention in classroom? Are they
disrupting the class? And if the teacher
feels it's a disruption the teacher
takes up during that class period.
My daughter every single year has not
had a study on was Maline Claremont said
keep your grades at the beginning and
took that seriously. She's taken every
single class she possibly can every
single year of high school.
She needs to study hall. She comes home
this sometimes it's midnight before she
goes to bed because she cares about her
breaks.
But she doesn't want to give up bands.
She loves it. That's her break.
I honor that. That's first self choice.
As a parent, not knowing if I'm here
today, gone tomorrow.
I want to have that communication. If I
call school, she has a wonderful
secretary.
If she can't be there all the time, she
has parents like me. They meet with her
all day long. I need this, I need this,
I need that. She might be running
through the school to do this stuff. She
again is only one person in this old
high school taken care of.
to call 911 in emergency situation. It's
the same thing as the school you got to
go through. If you're calling the public
school, you're calling the elementary
school, press prompt this, prompt that.
That takes time. In an emergency
situation,
I don't care what the policies are. If I
need my daughter home, Anna, get home. I
need you right away. Her dad's working
and dad living. He can't get the police
across the street. That's great. But if
they're out on calls, they can't get to
me.
If she needs to see me, if something
happens, I want her to see me. If she
chooses not to, that's her choice.
But as a mom who dearly loves her child,
who didn't have her child from the day
after she turned 26, when she graduates,
I was 63.
I want to spend every moment with my
child, and I want to be able to have
contact situation.
So, I really, really hope you guys take
that into play and let it be the
teacher's individual decision. If the
student is worthy of having their phone
on them, and if they're goofing off, by
all means, take it. Give it back to them
at the end of the day. They go to the
bathroom, they need a break, they just
want to spill off, let them do that.
Lunch room. They want to have their
phone, let them. But to deprive any
parent, not just me, any parent of that
right to hear their child's words at
their last time. If it happens, I don't
think you guys really have the right to
do that in less. Anybody can try and
exercise anything, but
I myself would never never system
my daughter's no shot or stab. That is
my opinion. So, that is my feeling on
that. The next thing is if I read it
correctly, like I say, I'm a bag of
emotions right now. If I read it
correctly,
students are not supposed to videotape,
take pictures in classrooms or of other
students or whatever, but they can do it
when they're going on the bus to soccer
games, baseball games, and they all get
put on Facebook like I do. And we don't
all individually
get the permission from the person
But there was an incident last year. His
teacher is no longer here, though I
bonded with them like him a lot. He said
some things that were kind of crew to
the students. And I thought, my lord,
a teacher who's supposed to be
representing
just good character for lack
is kind of bullying, belittling the
students. That's not cool. I said to my
daughter, I said, "Did you say anything
about it?" Just said, "No, it happens
all the time."
So
teachers can videotape, teachers can
audio tape, teachers can do whatever
they want because they are teachers.
They have that freedom to protect
themselves. We're protecting our
students. So if the teachers can do it,
the principals can do it, the school can
monitor it, and get the cameras out in
the parking lot, which I beg for when my
great nephew that I raised. My son was
in kindergarten and bought home before
school even got out that day. Uh back
then it wasn't except for them. Now we
have cameras. So there's cameras
everywhere. So if our students can be
carried
audio on your taped why
students allow the student why can't
they protect themselves if somebody's
bullying now I take this as what the
teacher said as bullying will deliberate
another student
kids
no bullying in school policy but this
tears some of the teachers we're doing
It's kind of a catch 22 here. If the
students are supposed to give up their
rights, then the teachers should give up
their rights. That is my firm feeling on
this. The teachers are protected,
but the students aren't able to protect
themselves or prove to their parents
what's going on should it be needed. Um,
I've been very strong about this and I
really can vote you guys. You know,
Ellie can put out anything she wants,
but I think each individual school
should set up what was good for their
community.
My niece graduated school that hadundred
people in the graduation class. I think
my daughter has 12 13 maybe students in
her class this year.
You know, there's a big difference of
city life versus
what's currently available in our town.
So, I'm not going to hold everybody up,
but from a very protective, loving
mother who drives your daughter insane
and want probably wants to be home as
soon as you can. Um,
let's give our students some some say.
Let's put some trust and faith into them
to do the right thing. And if they're
not, let the individual teacher decide
should that fund stay with them or not.
But I don't know how many of you are
around parents, but if you put yourself
in my situation, whether it's health
issues or not, if that was the last time
you child,
mom, I love you, or dad, I love you.
You put in that perspective, you maybe
have a bit of a thought process and I
don't know what your thought process is.
I'm just assuming. But everything is
full of rules in laws in the world. But
where's the compassion? Where's the
thought of family arms and parental
rights and student rights, not just
teachers and principles? And I'm not
picking on you guys. I would just say in
general, you know, anybody I've dealt
with in years with has always been very
respectful to me and I get on a roll
when we get upset and my mouth. I'll be
the first one to admit it. But
your at least our students
frank you know my daughter thought
process now was two years ago but she's
an adult in February she has to stop
making choices for herself and if not
this consequence she's always known that
our students need to know that but to
ban
it's it's in my opinion just
unacceptable.
So, thank you for your time. I
appreciate it and that's my heartfelt
place.
>> Thank you. And just for just a couple of
points of clarification, um, you know,
this is this process is not something
that the school board initiated. This is
our response to this the state statute.
I don't know if that was made available.
>> I'm sure it was, but if you you'd like a
copy of it, we can certainly get you
one.
>> Yeah. Um and so to the extent that we
have discretion,
you know, I I think the the the
new law specifically says that as a
board, we have to enact a ban on these
enforce communication devices from
battle to battle. So we as a community,
as a school, as a as an administration,
as a board, we have no discretion with
regards to certain things. And while I
agree that's unfortunate, you know, it's
not something that we really have any
control over, right? I wanted to also
note that what was what was circulated
um in terms of the policy proposed
policy that is the New Hampshire School
Board Association's sample policy. So,
as a member of the New Hampshire School
Board Association, our board gets every
year um sent new policies that the
school board association has devised to
uh keep up with changes in legislation.
So, we go through our policies uh you
know, not every year, but we go through
our policies periodically. We have to
update all the new policies that that
are affected by changes to legislation
every year and that those are kind of
prioritized. Obviously, this is one of
the biggest ones that I think schools
are dealing with across the state this
year. This is not the policy that we've
come up with. This is just a policy that
that the school board association is
suggesting that the districts adopt. Um
I think it from in my view it represents
sort of the most expansive version of
the policy um of a policy. Uh and so
that's that's not something that we've
that we've come up with or we've
proposed. Our kind of point here tonight
is to get the type of feedback that
you've given and we appreciate that um
so that we can come up with something
that makes sense locally but there is
limitations to our discretion and what
that policy would be um specifically
with respect to the ban. Uh I do take
your concerns about um one of the the uh
policies regarding and this sort of
kind of seems to be stuck on to the the
policy and it doesn't really uh have
much to do with the change in
legislation, but the students not being
permitted to use electronic devices to
to record audio or video. Um that that's
one of those uh I I I I certainly
understand your concerns about that and
and students being able to um use uh
videotaping or videoing of of incidences
that occur at school to protect
themselves and to protect other
students. Um I certainly uh
have concerns about restricting that.
But in terms of what our discretion is,
it is fair to not under the
circumstances.
Uh does anyone else have any comments?
>> That's a question.
>> Yeah. Has any consequences been thought
out what's going to happen if they
engagement?
>> Yeah. So you is in the in the proposed
policy
essentially there is
uh a
um consequences of violation section. So
what the school board association
essentially has outlined is um students
uh are not permitted to use electronic
devices consequences for violating the
policy. Um it will be pursuant to the
student code of conduct. First offense
would be a warning and confiscation of
the device moving during the school day.
A second or subsequent offense uh would
be electronic communication devices will
be confiscated. A disciplinary referral
would be written and the student's
parents guardian must pick up the device
from the principal or the
superintendent.
So um in terms of
consequences, right, you know, we have
our normal disciplinary process. if we
have kids who are disruptive and they're
repeatedly disruptive, there's a there's
a there's a process that plays out with
the administration. Um, and I think most
of these things would be dealt with in
that same through that same process. Uh,
I think that the the main difference
here is what the schoolboard
association's proposed responses is
taking the devices away from the
students.
um
and then holding them at least till the
end of the day or if it's a if it's a
subsequent offense it could be it would
be basically folding the the device
until a parent could come and collect it
which you know depending on the
circumstances could be days could be a
week before a parent has an opportunity
during school hours to come and and get
this the students uh device so uh you
know that is I I will say that I have
concerns about the policies that that
has the school taking possession of
electronics like that. I think we have,
you know, you take that away. You take
you take that um electronics away from
from kids. You know, anyone that has
kids knows that that doesn't always go
smoothly. Um, and I don't know that I
think it's a good idea that we're going
to be putting teachers and
administration in the position of taking
taking a kid's phone away from, you
know, just based on potentially the
reaction that that may generate. I also
concerns about the school district
liability wise taking into possession
potentially thousands of dollars worth
of electronic devices. This we have a a
cell phone costs $1,100 to say this,
right? And if we have a handful of
those, how are we going to maintain them
in terms of making sure that they don't
get lost, damaged, or protect the
district against potentially people
claiming that their phone was damaged
while it was in our procession. So those
are those are concerns that I have and
and you know, if anyone else has any
thoughts on that, you know,
I frankly I I don't know what the right
answer is in terms of like
how we respond to them. So change Um,
thanks Jack.
>> No, it's fine. I think we can hear you.
As long as you speak loud.
>> Okay. Um,
I wonder if our district would want to
consider those magnetic phone cases that
dropped
the door that blocked up so that only
the student that comes back with your
phone. Do you know what I'm talking
about?
>> Yes.
>> That Yeah. individual pouches so for
students to drop their phones. That way
the student could have be sure to know
their phone. Um
I personally
don't have a problem with the teacher
administration taking away your phone
and it's been made very clear should not
be out there. Um, and I think if we
don't hold fast to that, you're going to
be fighting about it being I think we
down hard on that and no exceptions.
It's going to be wrong at first. I don't
think I think
>> be beneficial.
So I don't know if there's couch and
students could just walk through the
door
every morning
on the couch and I know kids will be
anxious throughout their phon
you know we have to make sure that
there's always someone available to get
it done
Um,
>> yeah. Sound familiar? They there's
several different companies that
manufacture those and have systems for
that. They use them if they're
different. I think I think there are
systems that use them. Um, they use them
for concerts and stuff. So don't for but
you know that's a that's an expense I
guess that we would have to look into
>> cost of those.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We did. Okay. We did. Um,
and then
and then I guess it would just be a
matter of working out the details of do
we do we take the phone, put it in the
bag, and then the bag goes with the
student or the bag goes somewhere else
or it goes in the office or or what that
role at this point, but and I wasn't
speaking
for a Do you want to speak up there only
because it doesn't
>> I have a couple questions and then just
to kind of go off of what Jackie has
said. Um is this going to be and it
needs to be but I'll ask will it be a
K12 thing because our youngest still
have the watches and still communicate
because all of a sudden we get winter
activity here winter jackets and we're
like how did you know that? Oh we got a
message. So it's not just a middle high
school problem. This is down to our
youngest learners as well that need to
learn that just call. We have the phones
in the room. We can call it'll be okay.
Um but to go along with Jackie and I
don't have the right answer because I've
been looking at those bags as well. Um
part of me says it'd be nice to give the
kids, you know, and parents like this is
what's going to happen. This is the
completion. You don't get to have the
phone. They need to be turned off during
the day. And if they keep them in their
backpack and they're responsible with it
and they do what they need to do and it
never comes out of their backpack, I
think that's wonderful. I think that's
great for the kids that aren't able to
have that responsibility. Here's your
bag. You can burn the magnetic bag now
and take it. But to me, it's we're
always I feel like punishing a hole when
it's not a whole issue. And I know it's
a law now. So, I totally get that too.
But it would be nice if like kind of
planning off said like if they're able
to have it in their bag and not one
teacher has ever seen it out and it's
not caught on cameras, it's not seen and
maybe kids are going to be good at
hiding it. I know that can happen too. I
get it. Um but like backpacks don't go
into the bathrooms. They don't get to go
in backpack in in the bathrooms maybe.
Um and that they then take advantage of
it being allowed in their backpacks.
Then the next step is you burn the bag
and maybe it's for the week and then
they can try again or maybe it's a
non-lerant and you lost it. You already
had your warning and now it's done and
this is for the next 180 days of your
symptoms.
>> That's all.
>> So So can I just quickly respond and
then absolutely I I have I have a
concern about a policy that is is
discretionary at to has too much
discretion that we putting that we're
putting in individual teachers. Not
because I don't think they'd exercise it
appropriately, but because I think that
that invites conflict between the
students and the teachers about, well,
you let that person do it and you let
you know, why can't I do this and why
can't I have my phones?
>> Yeah. And I just don't I don't want to
put people in the position I don't want
to put folks in the position of having
to like argue with students about who
can and who can't. And I think it
probably makes sense from from an
administration perspective and and like
forcement perspective that we have a
uniform policy that there's there's no
argument to be had about it. It's it is
what it is and and and it applies across
the board. And I understand that
uh that that necessarily means that
we're sort of um treating kids maybe
that don't need to be treated in in a
certain way as in the same way as we're
treating a kid who's more likely to to
abuse the having their phone on them.
But I think if we don't do that, then
we're creating we're going to create a a
lot more conflict among amongst the
teachers and the students in trying to
administer that policy on an individual
basis. Um and and you know just opening
ourselves up to to claims that we're
just not everyone's not being treated
fairly.
>> Yes,
>> I
just being represented as teacher here
tonight. Um couple different things.
It's unfortunate the state has has
stripped us of this ability. uh we are
schooled and we should be able to use
these cell phones and teach kids
appropriate use of cell phones. So
there's there's the first problem that
the state I believe overstepped their
boundaries. We're not able to actually
do this. Now uh in the demo letter or
demo policy that went around um you know
it says that if you're going to need
something in school to use that the
school will provide that for you. Uh
many parents even some here know that uh
my kids use them in like shooting down
the microscope to send home to parents
uh you know different dissections and
things. So I use them as a communication
device and it really truly enriches
students uh abilities. I have seniors
and other kids that have reached out and
said hey you know I still have a cat
dissection picture from 10 years ago you
know so I really think we're going to
lose that opportunity. So maybe in the
policy, you know, can we have a place
where it says if it's appropriate use in
the school classroom, we can actually,
you know, use your own phone to that
instead u, you know, the people of the
district buying a ton of cameras and
having to add those in and doing all
that. Third point is um as a teacher and
I believe that the district itself too
doesn't want to be responsible for like
you said a thousand phone in my
classroom. Uh you know now I've got 10
of them from my home room class because
that's you know be the easiest place for
people to say oh take them away in home
room and do that. Well you know what
happens if I have emergency and have to
leave or different certain things can
occur. I don't want to be responsible
for those phones there. That's a lot of
uh liability on a teacher as well as the
district. So that plan needs to be
shifted liabilities to somewhere else.
So let me answer one question then ask
you a question.
>> Um so unfortunately I don't you know
with respect to the cell phones we don't
have discretion to allow anything other
than there's very limited uh the health
related uh phones that are needed for
health related issues. kids that have
device monitoring diabetes things like
that or language related assistance for
ESOS students.
>> So we're with respect to the cell phones
I think we we don't have that discretion
>> which is unfortunate is what I was
saying we're losing that point of
communication with
>> inclassroom time to parents right away
>> and one of the questions that I that I
have for you and and thank you for
coming. Uh you were here a couple weeks
ago with presentation with a student who
did a pretty extensive technology
project.
One of my concerns is this the school
board association policy definition of
of what is a personal communication
device is very broad. It would exclude
the use of personal computers for uh in
the classroom. And I wonder you know to
what extent
>> that project would not have existed.
Well, so that was my concern, right? If
we're if if we're forcing kids to do
sort of high level stuff like that on a
Chromebook because that's all we're
providing for them.
>> No, the district provided hand laptop.
>> Okay.
Separate internet and separate phone so
it didn't interfere with
>> but then we're singling out those
students again
>> for that project. Um and so that's part
of the reason why we have the STEM lab
that we're building. to have a separate
intern. So there can be those individual
>> elementary
>> no at the high school. Yeah.
>> Okay. So
>> to the so is it do you think that if the
issue is we have students that want to
do sort of more in-depth maybe
technology projects or any other
projects maybe as an art or or you know
some sort of additional learning
opportunity
>> that would be better served with a with
not necessarily what we're typically
given the students for technology. Um,
we have a technology that Trey is able
to find some.
>> Yeah, we can find some work around it
like we did for that student um where we
set up a separate internet and then we
uh gave a computer that wasn't through
all of our um security things so they
could uh use some of the AI tools needed
to program okay with. So, and I think
that's some of the stuff that Mr.
Webster and I talked are speaking about
that when he has a student who has that
let's plan up front what the budget is
what does he need so that way when he
runs into those it's not like a delay in
any sort. Uh so we're trying to
anticipate that and I spoke to Mr.
Aldridge about that too kind of all on
board trying to um sometimes really only
if one or two kids we should be able to
do those workounds to support this.
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> I don't
um Spanish teacher who saw senior class
advisor as my husband is a coach. He's
really hot. She's like standing up
there.
>> So first
it's a lot to process for sure. Um the
first thing that comes to my mind is
these kids. This is an addiction to this
is like so I think what we really need
to take a step back is just this is
going to be a shock. It's already a
shock to them. It's a shock to us too. I
mean I already got rid of my Apple Watch
because I'm like I don't like them. So
we need to educate them. We need to
educate them on why are we saying you
shouldn't have AirPods? It's not really
good for the ear follicles. Like so as
teachers let's start to educate our kids
on why this is important. This isn't
just we're punishing you. Let's not slap
them on the hand and give getting into
suspension because you did this. Let's
start being educators with educating the
kids. That's my first thought. Um
because there is a reason why the data
shows why this is important, right? So
let's look at that data first. Start
educating our kids and the teachers on
this. The second thing is we're not all
women. I'm not an opinion.
But it's a problem. I've been here 25
years. Cell phones are a problem. I
police it every single day of my job. It
is a pain in the butt. You have no idea
how much pain in the butt it is. So, I'm
really like excited about it because I
finally can stop facing it. But I'm also
like it's going to be hard. It's going
to be really hard. So, let's try to
figure out how we can work together to
try to make it what's best for the kids.
But if we're not all going to be on the
same page on this, it's never going to
work. So, we all have to come up with
concrete plans of how this is really
going to work and what's going to best
support the kids with the education.
The third thing that I want to bring up
is um Tammy did talk about the safety
thing. I just want to bring that up and
maybe someone else can bring this to
attention, but as employees, we have the
safety plan. I think that's really
important for saying as a parent. So,
school employees have phones and on our
phones, I don't know if this, but we
have a very good safety plan in place.
So, and we have an SR officer. We have a
fantastic safety plan. So, I have my own
child. So, if anything were happen, I am
100%
very positive that my kid is going to be
safe. Um, and I think that's really
important that parents know that. I get
it. I I'm not shoot. I don't know that,
but I think it's important that parents
know just because we're removing that
child's cell phone doesn't mean they're
not. So, I think that's really important
to know as well. Um, since Oh, the just
to also bring this up, it's bell to be
so that doesn't mean that you know when
they leave the school and they go to
soccer practice, they can use their
phone, right? some school activities,
school functions like the class, senior
class trip, they are allowed to use
their phones, but that's just bell to
bell.
>> I think that's what the policy at field
trips and stuff.
>> Yeah. Soccer games, things like that. So
that's another thing, too, is I think in
some of the conversations I've had with
team members, they're like, "Oh, we, you
know, it's this. It's just the 7:45 to
2:30. It's just educational part. It's
not all things. It's not homecoming.
It's not so it's not stripping you of
everything you know good. It's just that
bell-to-bell learning which is just the
academic piece. Um so those are just
some of the key points I wanted to bring
out but again
you have to educate the kids on the
importance of this and not make it a
negative thing. Make it positive and
teach them the importance of it.
>> Thank you. That's awesome.
Yes.
>> That's why I don't speak anything. Okay.
I don't want to get
>> You can do it from there. Sit down.
>> I'll talk really loud.
Do can they have can the kids bring
their phone
to school and leave it either lock in
their backpack or in their locker? Is
that still okay?
>> They just can't like go they can't be on
their phone during lunch or in class or
>> correct.
>> Okay. I just I'm trying to figure that
song.
>> Sorry, we didn't hear you. Matt, could
you be louder?
>> Sorry.
>> I feel like I have to sing a song and
play a trumpet or something.
>> We actually would have done part of what
part of what you're deciding is how it's
going to be implemented. Correct. Or
taking this input. So whether we don't
know yet whether they can have it in
their backpack during class or not.
>> Correct. So to be clear, I I guess what
I was responding to was in terms of what
the law
>> what the what the new statute is is
banning is just use of it during
instructional time. It doesn't say
anything about where it has to be stored
or anything like that. There is a a
draft policy
>> sure
>> from the school board association that
talks about that um that that it can
come to school basically but it has to
be locked away or kept you know kept
away and and no use right but
>> turned off in the backpack or locker
>> but you but that's correct like what you
know the way that our school interprets
or and implements is what we're here
>> okay u I'm here I'm going to share a
couple of opinions or thoughts anyway um
I think I think I'm going into my fourth
here maybe there are I'm not sure but
the first year that I was here the first
two years that I was here it was teacher
discretion outside
that didn't work out very well because
of the conflict that you know the j
everybody's kind of fighting I can do it
here why can't I spend the first seven
eight minutes of class arguing about why
we're taking these cell phones last year
we went to cell phones need to be in the
bags got to be away what what that
turned into was teachers discretion
again so tons of bathroom breaks
because they they're leaving them on.
They're buzzing. They can't ignore the
buzz. It's a it's a distraction. Um so
to do something uniform, I think is
whatever it is that you desire. And it's
not going to be any perfect answer
because you're going to upset some
people. You know, it's like we have
laws, right? Most people don't need
them. Some people do, but we have them.
Okay. Um I would I would from my
experience there has been very little
positive value to having cell phones in
the school. I think they cause a lot of
conflict among students that we end up
putting a lot of resources in and time
into. It's it's obviously the data will
show you that it's a distraction to
education. I mean any any data that you
pull up now is going to show you that
test scores go up without cell phones in
the classroom. Um you know and the
amount of conflict with students that
we're trying to resolve that and and as
far as the safety piece and I'm
sensitive to this and I'm a former
Lynwood parent I guess. Um, but as
Dorian said, we we practice drills. We
have one-touch access to our police
departments to notify them if there's an
emergency. And I feel like if we did
have a true emergency, I mean, every kid
had their cell phone, we would not be
able to put the plan in place because we
would be we'd be trying to combat phones
to parent, phone calls to parents, calls
coming in to kids. So, we wouldn't be
able to coordinate what we've practiced
and I think it would actually make the
situation unsafe. That would be that's
Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Bring it on us, Jackie.
>> You got to come up this time though. You
got in trouble for you know.
Okay. Um so I'm a teacher in the middle
school and and then so this is I guess
in reference to the idea just being
written back.
We've been so lucky in middle school
because grades six and seven are really
they pretty much comply as long as stay
in their backpack. I will tell you
during my prep period when it's quiet in
my room I hear those phones buzzing all
day long and all period long. Those kids
are getting texts and those kids are
getting phone calls which just blows my
mind. They're in school texting them.
>> But
>> the compliance is pretty good. Grade
eight is also pretty good, but
definitely get them like sneaky starting
to sink at the end of the day because
high school I can't I'm not targeting
any specific teachers. I have no idea,
but I know high school kids.
>> Can I interrupt you? Do you think it's
because it's a couple years ago they
were allowed to have them and then it
was discretionary and then it was no
cell phones and the eighth graders are
still the ones that
>> I don't think it's ever been an issue
for every school.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> This is my I've only taught here for
four years. Okay.
>> And as long as I've been here, like the
other middle school teachers have said
we're the best thing about teaching
middle school, it's never a problem.
>> And because I I used to teach high
school, it was actually so was such a
relief to to have it not be a problem
anymore. I don't know said it before,
but it's it was a constant problem as a
high school teacher.
A lot of time would get wasted in class.
I was the, you know, exploitative
teacher. I was coming down hard because
this teacher let their kids have them
and and I do know that there is
appropriate and beneficial use. But
unfortunately, I don't I think all the
all the data shows that the negative
drawbacks outweigh any benefit. So
anyway, I know it's a law. It's
unfortunate that we can't give kids like
like when I first got to high school,
they like high school seniors got to
have a smoking break. Like kids could
smoke. When when I was a freshman, I
never
but the seniors when I was coming in had
like a smoking break. And so unfortunat
we can't give them like cell phone break
so they can get their anxiety out, look
at their screen. I don't know how we do
that, but doesn't sound like we can do
that. So I guess what I wanted to say is
I love the idea that we just rely on
these kids, put them in their backpacks,
put them in the locker,
and maybe it could work. um
that it works for grades six and seven
and pretty much grading but I don't
don't
>> and and leave it up to the teachers to
police their classrooms as far as
>> No, please don't leave that up to the
teachers to police the classrooms.
>> No,
>> I mean to the extent that
>> to the to the extent the teachers are
responsible for policing general
conduct. I mean I think that's
>> Oh yeah. I mean obviously if the one
happened to be in the room
>> I would call it out but
>> but not not in a way that you're
exercising discretion and andounded by
students as to why somebody is you know
I think I understand what you're saying
but I mean I think unfortunately the
reality is just like you know crossing
the hallway the staff is you know part
of that enforcement or the
>> Oh yes no I would like walk by someone
that wasn't mine if I saw them with
their phone out or some Yeah,
>> I just don't want to leave it where like
some teachers can say this is okay and
others try
>> well they can't at this point that's not
an option.
>> So I think the hardest thing I have
figuring out is how do we actually
implement this? Where do the phones go
during
>> Well, I have a question for you on that.
Do do you feel like
because you said you can sort of hear
the phone calls in backpacks, do you
feel like that just the that even that
is too much of a distraction? Should we
be looking at
>> no
>> at at having them not just in backpacks
but also, you know, not in the class one
at all? Is that
>> Or do you think it that it's sufficient
to say, you know, don't take it out
>> in the middle school backpacks go in
lockers. They're not allowed in the
classrooms. Okay. They just don't have
enough room tripping over them all the
time.
>> And so the kids aren't hearing them buzz
because they're in their classes.
>> Oh, I see. I only hear a buzzing because
they're metal locker and it's quiet in
my room because I have no one in the
room and I'm just always struck by that.
>> Oh, gotcha.
>> That makes sense. Matt, did you have
something to add on that?
>> High school kids don't use the locks.
So,
>> yeah. No,
>> I I'm of the communication. They
shouldn't be allowed the classroom. I If
it were me,
>> you say sorry.
>> They should not be in the classroom. If
it were me, I wouldn't dip my toes in
this thing because it's going to be
difficult for the
this year's sophomores, juniors, and
seniors because they've had cell phones.
The middle school kids haven't used them
at all, right? So, it's going to be a
year of discomfort for them.
>> But I would I would take it out of
everybody's hands and I would get
lockers or bags that they turn them into
when they come to school. Maybe those
lockers like if you go go-karting or
something, you can lock your phone up.
That's one thing. Our hands don't have
to touch them. Um, and then it
eliminates everything. You know, it I
don't know how we do it. We've we left
them in backpacks last year with the
pilots doesn't doesn't have this law. If
we leave them if we allow them in the
backpacks, nothing's going to change.
It's not going to change. I can
guarantee it because we started last
year and you know people everybody seem
to be on the same going in the same
direction with it and slowly it's phones
in the hallways, phones in the
classroom. walk by a classroom, phones
up against computer screens, kids kids
with earbuds hiding behind their hair.
It's all it's all those things. I think
I think if we're going to do it, just do
it. Just do it, you know, and then we
can ease back if we feel like we need
to. But I think when you when you try to
just keep, you know, a slow water drip
to try to get this thing under control,
it's not it's not going to work. I think
it's you have to do the opposite. And
then if we can pull back, then we can.
That's, you know, there's too many
people have too many different opinions
that no matter what we say, they're
going to do it the way they want to do
it in their space. You know, it's just
it's just the way it is.
>> So, in terms of in terms of saying if
the policy says that they they're not
even allowed in the classroom that if
you're going to bring it to school, it
has to stay in the locker. If you could
get high school kids to use the locker.
>> I mean, if they need a place to put
to bring their phone, they're going to
need the locker.
>> But so you're of the opinion that
backpacks is I say we create a system
where they're turning their phones when
they get them before they leave. If that
means that we have to extend home room
five minutes or have a five or 10 minute
block at the end of the day that we peel
off so that kids we can make an
organized system where kids come in,
they drop off, they get their things
back. And that's the way we do it. And I
think what you'll see is I think you'll
see happier kids in the school building.
I think you'll see more productive kids
in the school building. I think you'll
see better test scores. I think you'll
see kids who are communicating more
effectively with their peers and their
adults. Uh because right now whenever
they get to use them, it's like sitting
in a room with zombies just like we see
in our house sometimes. They just their
heads are down and they're in their
thumb and it's and it's really they're
getting robbed of the child. They really
are. They end a lot of their high school
experience and for what I what I watch
and and and you're going to see
everything that you see come of this
other than the heartburn and the angst
and the parents and the kids getting
used to it. Everything you're going to
see up front that's painful will
subside. you'll see happenings I think
and more productivity but I can't I
can't promise it's just it's just life.
>> Sounds like a promise. So we'll put that
>> Mr.
ball out there.
Change is not easy and any time that
we're facing change, uh there's always
uh a number of people that don't agree
with it. We have an opportunity now that
we got the law backing something that we
probably tried to deal with for the past
10 years. Who have ever thought? And
looking back at my career, who ever
thought that smoking would not be
occurring in the school? That people
don't people don't have cigarettes in
their pockets. They don't have
cigarettes in their backpack for the
most part. It's never it hasn't been an
issue for quite some time. And back a
number of years ago, that was something
you never ever thought would go away,
but disappear. Um, so we have an
opportunity to teach kids that you need
to obey the law, right? They're these
kids that are probably in the prime of
of dealing within your phones. You know,
they are also dealing with things in
their lives in regards to the law and
and we have the backing of the law. You
know, when you try to make change when
you don't have the vacuum we have right
now, you're going to get a lot of a lot
of feedback that's not always that
positive. But my I my I I strongly
believe you got you got a small window
of time to create change within that
first month of school this year. If
everybody's consistent with it and
everybody's following the rules, it's
going to be an issue in the middle of
the year that's probably not even going
to be that big of a deal.
And sorry,
>> I just had a quick question about you.
>> Take it in for the record.
>> Yes, and
>> thanks.
>> Um, this is maybe for some of the
teachers as well. uh the enforcement. It
sounds like there's some concerns about
the this obviously the the phones being
in the backpacks and if we if we were to
put those all in a some safe box or
whatever in the classroom or the school
I would assume that a lot of kids will
just say I don't have my phone today and
it's going to be in their backpack. So
how would that be police they're going
to look through backpacks to how would
they
decide?
>> Yeah, I mean I think that's too much. We
we have to come up with something that
that works. But we can't have
administration search in every backpack
as they right bracket. Or if you hear it
going off in class, they're going off in
class. Do you stop the class and check
the backpack to see who has it? I don't
that's probably not reasonable. So
>> we're a small enough school that that
can be addressed fairly easily in most
cases.
>> Yeah. And if I is it can you go through
a student's backpack if they said they
don't want you to go through the
backpack?
You mean you can send little Johnny and
his backpack to the office and let
>> Okay, Mr. Stali deal with it, right? You
know, and you do that once or twice and
then Mr. Savali's at the door when they
come in and go, "Okay, little Johnny."
Yeah.
>> Three times now you've had to come down
with your backpack. Let's just put it in
now.
>> Unfortunately, fortunately, we are a
smaller school that something like that
could be fairly easily addressed.
tonight. I think that
>> so
would it be I know we're deciding this
policy but could it be we said you'd
want a approach for consistent approach
for everything not that it's we can show
preferability. So, if they were if it
was decided they could have them in the
in the backpack, could it be the next
level if they're not off is that they go
in the locked box rather than having
them all over the lock box from the
beginning? Because I feel like kids will
just keep them in their back. They'll
just say they don't have it at school.
So I'm just wondering if there is if a
tiered approach I I understand that you
don't want to have an preferability
and student and teachers making
decisions but I feel like a tiered
approach might have to be the way that
it is anyways because kids will have it
in the backpack
even if it's the policy put in the box.
So you're thinking of, you know, not
initially saying everybody's phones go
into a case or into a box at the
beginning of the day, but if you've
demonstrated that you can't be
responsible with your phone, then
then yes, then that's the first step in
correct. Yes.
>> And I and I don't know if that's the
right page, but I feel like that would
have to be something that is one offense
and it goes in the in the box because it
has to be
>> you can't be fighting with it all.
So that was it. I just didn't know if
that was possible.
>> Yeah, you don't have to go.
>> You guys, I know, but every time we turn
our backs can't hear anybody. Can you
guys hear me do that? So, I'm an older
parent of a younger kid and this the
whole thing about I don't know what's
happened with society, but like there
are no more consequences for anything
anymore. And this I agree with Mr.
Nelson is a huge opportunity. It's real
simple. There's a ban not to use their
phones in school. So, as a school board
or administration, why can't we? I mean,
to me, it's
If you bring your phone to school and
there need you have don't like don't
even stipulate like there's no phone use
at school. So if they use their phones
at school then there just needs to be a
a consequence like like detention. I
mean I don't know. Do we even have
detention?
>> We do have detention. All right. So,
like I just don't under like why do I
just feel like it's a waste of time and
money to like go out and buy like
special boxes to lock everybody's phones
in and then next thing you know we'll
have metal detectors at the door and I
mean it's just I just don't understand
like why there we have to make all these
special little nuances for well if this
one does it this way or they do like if
there's no phones used to be used in
school it's that simple.
Right? So if their phones say they're in
their backpack, if you hear the phone,
like have a consequence detention,
eventually these kids are going to get
it and they're not going to they're not
going to use their phones. But it's like
it's the same thing with any other law.
You don't get it passed if you drink and
drive, right? If you drink and drive and
it's your first offense, they don't give
you a slap on the hand, there's a
consequence to it. You lose your
license. So it's like I mean I get maybe
that's a little dramatic but do you know
what I'm saying? I'm just that was the
only thing that came into my head.
>> You get the point. Yeah. Yeah.
>> But I don't to me it's black and white.
I don't think they haven't the state
hasn't really left any prey there.
>> I mean you're in terms of what is
banned. You're correct. There's no
>> right
>> and detention is not they just speak up
>> then if they if they give them detention
if they do it again suspend them
>> like nobody gets suspended anymore when
I was in high school I spent half in in
school suspension
junior parents who crap. Do you know
what I mean? Cuz I got tired of looking
at a cement wall for eight hours. Like
there eventually kids will learn from
consequences. But if we just keep
saying, "Oh, that's okay." Or, you know,
don't do that again. Like we're never
going to get anywhere. I I don't know.
That's just
Keep it simple. Let the children bring
the phones and the bags. Keep them off.
want a consequence have them taken away.
Second, have the parents pick up the
phone.
>> I think we should educate the parents as
well with technology. First,
>> keep it simple.
>> I started where you guys where you guys
are. I just want them to know that I I
think the tiered system and the
consequence system is a great system.
I'm not worried about the kids part of
that. I'm worried about all of the
different adults in the building. Some
of them don't. there's no consequence if
your phone buzzes or if you got copies
and it doesn't get reported. I think I
think it's more of the uniform within
the teachers and what they're
responsible for and what we
>> because there's going to there's going
to be adults in this building that are
going to
>> disagree
>> disregard any of these tears that you
put in place or any of these
consequences or hey I'm going to send
Billy to the office because his phone
buzzed. There's a lot of teachers in
this building that aren't telling
sending Billy to the office. They'll
say, "Don't let it happen again." And
then it's going to happen again. And
they're not going to. And then we're
going to see Billy in the in the hallway
that somebody else is another adult
that's the rule enforcer. It's the bad
guy because they're going to say, "Why
are you on your cell phone?" You know,
it's it's more of it's more of the
implementation in from the top down that
I'm worried about other than having
consequences for the kids, you know.
>> Good point.
>> You know, so
>> that's a play
first.
>> Yeah. We tried to be on the same team
this past year. Just so you know, as as
a stat.
>> You're right. If you think back like
when I was in high school, we have
teachers we knew we could get away with
stuff with and some we couldn't.
>> Yeah, you're right.
said it has this much impact on learning
and social.
>> I'm Heather. Uh I live in North. I'm a
teacher. Um we did we were all on the
same page last year. I would say solidly
until like January. Kids were coming in
sticking their phones in the pockets.
all of them were there and then like May
came and there was one folk in the
pocket.
>> Um I will say ninth graders were better
than the upper classmen but I think
that's coming from the middle school
model where they weren't used to it and
they they really did
most of them did not want to break the
rules. Um, however, we have and I'm a
parent and I know how hard it is to take
away my kids cellular device, but I do
it and my life is miserable for the days
or hours, but I do it because that's
what they care about. Me taking like TV
from them, they don't care. Me taking
like time outside, you know, they want
their phone. So the problem is it makes
for a huge management issue for our if I
went to Mr. Stavali every time
certain junior in the hallway last year
was on his phone it it was it was
frequent and I would have to send that
student to Mr. Stali and then Mr.
Stavali if I were Mr. Stavali which I'm
not and I never want to be in that role.
I wish I could tell that parent that
that child has lost their cellular
device at home for one week or two
weeks. Yeah.
>> But that's not gonna happen because
parents
>> we're here tonight. We're trying. But
they don't want to do that because it
causes conflict with their kids. So
instead, we have to take that back
because that is what they care about. So
I love I love what 10 women said. you
know, they lose it a couple times or
they're in in school suspension staring
at the wall, they're going to know not
to go on their phones. I want to believe
that. I want to believe that. But it the
enforcement of it individually. There
were, you know, Katie parents, uh, you
know, Mr. Robertson, myself, Miss Hump,
we all told the same kid to get off his
phone
six times in a twohour period. And I
don't even have that kid in class, which
means I can't actually write him up in a
month because he's not my student. So
then it was like a hey Mr.
you got to pull so and so because
I don't have the time in my day to go to
the office and have that neither does he
but it is it has gotten worse and I
don't know if we could do it for a whole
year because of that breakdown in how
separate teachers and let's face it kids
with homes some of them have
what they're teenagers they have
emergencies but what one young man in
the 10th grade deans as an emergency. We
might not deem that as an emergency. So,
you know, can I please call my mom
because I don't have my uniform. You
know, there was a time where we would
just send them to the office and use the
But yeah, I'm guilty of that. Yeah, you
need your uniform for your game. You
know, come back at lunchtime, you can
call, you know, call your mom. I did
because that seemed reasonable. But
there's all these different reasonable
things that we want to do for our kids.
But in the end, it it broke down the
phones going in the low pockets. So, I
don't want to make I don't want to
manage that anymore. I I want to believe
that all kids are going to follow the
rules, but they stopped following the
rules. And honestly, it got really
exhausting. By May, I was like, it's a
free-for-all with the phones and I'm
tired of trying. feel about what are
your feelings with them keeping them in
the backpack off in in the back?
>> I think if we let kids keep it in the
backpack and one kid takes their we
might as well send them to like the
police department for the day. I don't
really mean that but I'm feeling like
holy crap there is a real
>> serious consequence but last year we
>> we did we tried talking to them. I think
what Dory said about the educational
piece. They are distracted.
>> That's huge,
>> you know. Um I think that's a huge
piece. I I think it's worse as they get
older, you know, because there's that
clutch, you know, of having to just rely
on it when they're like So, you know,
kids can be socially awkward. What do
they do now? Versus like actually having
a conversation. They're like, "Oh, I
feel awkward. I'm just call my phone." Y
face the awkwardness, man. Um and and
they'll do that more if they don't have
their phones for a while. So I I am kind
of in that about it's hard. It's a the
consequence needs to be serious if kids
are going to really believe like oh I'm
not taking my iPhone out of my bag and I
don't know what kind of consequence that
should I really I don't know but that's
just those are my thoughts. So um you
know
in an ideal world we could we could come
up with a consequence that deters
kids from making bad decisions. I don't
think such a consequence exists
generally in the world.
>> Um I think if we told them that they
were going to get the death penalty like
>> you know you know how it works. So, I
think, you know, it sounds like you
would be in favor of a of something
that, like Matt said, that they just
don't have access to it. Like, we're not
we're not even allowing them to have
them in a backpack. not no opportunity
to make that decision would be better
than
would be better than having you know
sort of trying to us trying to come up
with something that's going to deter
this conduct which I think I mean I
think we get into into a debate about
whether or not you know there's a better
ed educational benefit to having a kid
miss a day of school because he looked
at his phone right then we're talking
about like what's should we are we doing
better to have that kid in class or we
doing better to punish this kid by
suspending them for a day for looking at
their phone. You know, the concepts get
get to the point where they are are kind
of outsized for the conduct where it's
not a danger. They're not they're not,
you know, it's not violent. It's not
something that's like, you know, causing
a serious disruption in the school.
It's something that we need to address.
But I I'm just concerned that there's
that we don't have effective
consequences that's going to deter the
kids from doing it. Um, and I think
that's that's that that's that's shared
uh that concern is shared by by some of
us. But maybe the maybe the resolution
is we just they just don't get that
opportunity. We don't they're not
allowed to have them on their, you know,
in their backpack at all. And that's how
>> because I do think like what Al
mentioned about like kids, I don't have
I didn't bring my home today.
>> You know, and they're Yeah. You're going
to be like, "Oh, okay."
>> And this is the tricky part, right?
There's always going to be kids within
the district that don't follow rules.
That's the nature of kids.
>> Right.
>> You know, my my concern is we're we're
always going to have kids that don't
follow,
>> right? The issue that we have with the
cell phones is, you know, say for
example, smoking or vaping in in school,
right? There's there's a there's going
to be a few kids that that are going to
engage in that type of behavior. And so,
we have rules, we have punishments
inside with the phones. The phone use is
so ubiquitous that it's not just one or
two kids that are inclined to engage in
that behavior. It's the entire school
body that's inclined to engage in using
the phone and maybe using the phone in
the program. Right? So, it's it's a bit
of a different scenario. I I think we we
we have to have something that that is
meaningful enforcement. I just I I am I
have a concern that if we craft a
punishment scheme that is such that it's
effective at getting all these kids to
say no, I'm not going to do that. That
it's that it's going to be outsized and
it's going to and we're going to lose
some educational benefit to it in terms
of students are going to be suspended
and we're going to they're going to lose
instruction time over this when it's not
really that big. You know, I say it's
not that that big of a deal. not it's
not a security or safety issue that we
really that we really take seriously.
>> And going off of that, it's when you
have the kids at detention and in school
suspension, it's except for Jen, it's
normally the kids that don't have a good
support system at home that don't have
parents that follow up, that don't have
parents that um give consequences. and
and those are the kids that need to be
in class the most, not in detention, not
in in school suspension.
Not always. There are exceptions to the
rule, but for the most part, that's
usually the case. So, you know, giving
them inschool suspension or whatever or
or expelling them or suspending them or
something or having a phone is not
what is going to be best for those
children, if I said that right.
I'm back.
Good. Um, I'm very much of the mindset
of logical consequences and rules are
rules. I am very black and white. So,
sometimes I have a hard time
understanding why this is even such one
fin. Like, why is there such a thing?
Because I know it is and I understand
that. But to me, right, the rule is turn
off your cell phone when you get to
school, put it in your backpack, you
know, and and again, don't bring it to
the back, whatever. You're not pitting
people. Well, you might be, but when the
kid takes it out, it's obvious they have
their phone. You see it, you hear it.
It's there. Here's your bag. You burn
the bag of the day. That's the logical
consequence. You use it, you lose it.
Done. There doesn't need to be any more
of that. Like, and I get but and I and I
go back with the idea of the teachers
too with the whole thing. If you're
constantly hearing Mrs. Staten lets me,
but Mrs. Staten let me, go have a
conversation with Mrs. Staten and say
you can't follow these rules. we're
going to have to have another
conversation about what that's going to
look like for you here because that
doesn't work, right? Like,
>> right, it hold the kids accountable as
much as the adults accountable as much
as the families accountable and the
teachers
and it that's really to me where this
would work. Like it's just no. But if
you can hand it respectfully because I
agree when it's
um that they're going to lie.
>> Oh yeah.
>> They're going to say they don't have
their phones. So then, oh well, now they
took it out. Surprise. Well, it's going
to be the same consequence as if we set
it in. Okay, now you've burned the bag.
And now you burned the bag for the rest
of the day. And now, oh, this is strike
two. You've earned it for the week. And
now, oh, it's strike three. You've you
every day you come to the office and it
goes into the bag or you know, whatever.
It it just seems to me to be black and
white. But the last thing I'd like to
say is I hope so that teachers, staff,
students, parents, everyone is on the
same page once you all have decided what
this policy is is going to be. And I
appreciate the input that you're
allowing us to have that you have
another meeting asking or encouraging
students, staff, parents to all attend
so that they can hear a very clear
message that this is what this is and
it's a law now and it's it's out of our
hands. And so I hope that that
become a bigger like
>> now this when we develop this policy it
would still have to go to first reading
second reading so we'll have technically
two more schoolboard meetings regarding
the policy
>> I thought voting on it tonight so we
could get the messaging out to the
families
start
>> okay
>> we
could do that and then bring it out
>> we had included Yeah.
>> Oh, public talk.
>> Listen, I I'm walking out after this
like progress. No one here.
>> Yeah. But but like Alan said, I mean,
the kids are going to find work around
these types of things. But honestly, if
we all reflect on our last 365 days, how
many times have we forgot their phone
somewhere or anywhere?
These kids are going to say they forgot
their phones. We just make a forgot
their phone list. We circulate it. So,
we need, you know, not that we're going
to go out policing the hallways, but
okay, we know that, you know, Johnny
forgot his phone, too. We know we didn't
because nobody forgets their phone. No,
nobody forgets their phone. And adults
don't forget their phone. Kids certainly
don't forget.
>> I do all the time.
>> Come on.
>> But you go back and get it before you go
where you get.
>> Actually, always.
>> It's actually nice to not have to look
at it
>> before you take off. I just just to
clarify and I don't understand your
position is that we that we should be
>> the kids should be putting their phones
into
>> I would lock
>> a lock box or whatever it is whatever
form that takes as they come in you know
>> that would be just because I mean
everybody has balance points but I just
think if we're going to do something I'd
rather go like if I focus for I'm much
harder beginning and then I ease back
>> because it's easier to start then right
it's harder to do it with the other one.
And we've already got the middle school
kids coming into their husband pretty
much under this. They're just going to
they're going to be they're not going to
feel so oppressed to put their phone in
the box or have it have it put away.
It's going to be the kids that have been
used to it, the parents that have been
used to being under contact with the
kids all day school. That's going to be
the hardest part. But I think that's I
think that's the way you do it. I think
it makes it easier on anybody because no
matter what we put in place, there's too
many people that are going to have their
own
and it's going to make it different. We
we tried this year it was selfed back
didn't
January that's I thought I thought it
died a little earlier than that but I
mean it just it just didn't go
on had to be officially
issue
>> so I'm back for the last time I swear
but I just
don't say that we actually we haven't
even got to the two other issues
>> I know but here's my problem the kids
are lying and they're not going to not
have their phones on them, but they're
not going to turn them over to you.
>> So then what is that consequence going
to be? So for example, I have kids that
are now freshman, which is crazy. They
had an eighth grade camping trip. My
daughter went for the overnights. My son
did not. They were told specifically, it
wasn't even a school rule. It was the
camps rule. They are not to have their
cell phones. They cannot have them on
them. So what do I do? I take my child
and I told her, "You cannot." Now, she
has separation anxiety, social anxiety,
all the anxieties due to my illnesses
and almost dying and has to say good
night to her mother every single night,
right? I said, "No, you're going to
survive three nights. It's going to be
okay." She was one of three kids that
didn't have their cell phones.
Every other child had their cell phones
and it was well known and it was okay.
Yet, my child who has all the anxieties
could not have it because the mother
followed the rules. She was penalized. I
mean, she could have used the kids
phone, but she wouldn't. She didn't
really follow her anyway, so she was not
going to touch anybody's phone, right?
>> But so now, what are the consequences
for those kids, right? So, you're taking
all the phones and you're putting them
all in these bags,
but 50% of them are not going to put
them in the bags because they're going
to have them and they're going to have
all the things. So, now you're still
pitting teachers or making them in an
uncomfortable position. Whereas, and so
your rule followers are going to follow
the rules, not have their phones.
Why not just allow them to have the
phones in their bags and when they don't
behave or they misuse it, it gets taken
and now I'm done.
>> Dave, have you given up to speak or
>> No, my back. So,
>> yes,
>> I respect everything that everybody has
to hear say tonight. Um, as a parent
that doesn't know what's in play as far
as food safety, it's not distributed to
the parents or others. I've got a heard
of it is informative to me. So, I would
like somehow the school lets parents
know what your safety policies are in
effect, what your drills are, and what
you do if an emergency situation should
really arise.
that right there would go my mind to
rest a lot. Um, another thing is
I under the understanding that seniors
don't have senior release anymore. Is
this true?
They they are not true. It isn't.
>> Are they still going to be as long as
they abide by what they're supposed to
do? Um, you have to leave the lunch
>> Yes. The lunch time.
my career has been children and kids and
everything and I'm going to fight for
them publicly. I respect what the
teacher say and I understand now hearing
from them it it was a whole different
perspective in my life. But I've always
learned of the reward system with my day
job.
It's always rewards.
Earn it.
You're not in jail, you know. So, ugly
J. I heard you say that during academic
hours there should be no cellops. So,
>> that's just what the statute,
>> right? No, I'm not like talking to you
that way.
>> But if they have 15 minutes maybe for
lunch time,
>> so let them have their phons. The the
way that the statute reads is
uh such policy shall prohibit all
personal communication device use by
students from when the first bell rings
to start instructional time until the
dismissal bell rings to end the academic
school day. Um and then with approved
exceptions with disabilities. So, so
with respect to like
I way I see it, we have no discretion
whatsoever in between start of academic
days to the end of academic day to allow
any cell phone use of personal
electronic communication device use
whatsoever
>> whether we want to or not. Yeah, that's
just the law. I'm just asking. Like I
say, I'm not targeting anybody.
>> So,
and my daughter wasn't allowed to even
have Facebook till she was 17. She said,
"Mom, everybody's logging at school to
be finally let Facebook." So, I'm sorry
again, protective parent. So, I am one
of those parents that does take a cell
phone away. Um, that would stop February
1st, I'm sure. But um I am a very strict
parent and I understand about cell
phones over taking lives. I had to be at
the hospital yesterday. So I stopped in
the park by myself putting their face
and it was sad how many parents watch
through their children because they were
playing on cell phone. This one little
girl with a tequila was just walking
around looking back at her mom
playing
that crushed me. So, I totally get cell
phones over.
I understand that, but it's almost like
our our
students
are being punished for being viewed and
doing what adults do.
So I'm going to try to implement with my
daughter. Your cell phone stays in the
car and at lunchtime if you want to go
to your car and your cell phone go for
it.
You want to go off lunch break. She
won't get s because every course I know
every class is going to be taken with
some study. Um
but
it it's just a huge refinement to the
kids you know it's it's like a slap in
the face you know I understand the
teacher part I'm not saying that at all
nor put it into a perspective that
myself as a parent need to hear um
but I hope the teachers abide by that
too and they don't have their cell
phones out
hope that takes
I mean even seeing that on him back from
him school. So you know I
greatly appreciate this meeting if some
light on the subject to me and uh
member actually breaks.
They need to be realized that they're
maturing. They know the difference
between wrong and wrong. Wrong and
right. If they choose to be wrong,
consequences. If they choose to be
right,
they should be penalized. So, I I don't
know how to tell you to answer it
because detention's more important.
You miss the classroom time, your grades
go down.
You know,
I I don't think there is a clear answer,
and I don't think you're ever going to
find a clearance
with a cell phone situation. Um,
I know my daughter has teachers she
absolutely loves sharing her own life
with, whether it be animals or projects
she's working on or painting she
whatever it is.
And my mom died, my dad died, my
family's all the way. That's her
extended family.
if she wants to share her life with
people that show interest in birth that
care about her. There's a lot of kids
out there in this school system. It
crushes me because their parents at them
with a dollar sign on the tax return
quoted and it's a true situation. It's a
true scenario. So if student has a bond
with a teacher or a principal
who's just breaking some of this sharing
their trust
um and sadly I started my daycare
parents like my parents were when I was
growing up my parents were always with
me you don't see that with the students
and thank God for sports because the
sports at least
the kids have family to support family
but it's family.
So again, I respect family everybody's
opinion. Um I don't have to agree, but I
respect and listening to you. I do
agree, but I don't think you're going to
honor
the answer anyway. And locking up the
phone, my husband already said, "I paid
such and such money for that. I'm not
going to have somebody steal that. I'm
not going to have somebody break that.
Or if she goes to get her phone and
somebody else's phone is broken, I'm not
going to be liable for that phone." I
I've heard this whole scenario at home.
Um, so there's a man on his house.
I think we've we've talked a bit about
we've talked quite a bit about you know
implementation and you know some
consequences and you know some of the
other topics that we have not sort of
gotten to and I think maybe this some of
the teachers may have some input on this
terms of what what do we what do we want
to define as a personal communication
device? Um, obviously cell phones,
they're listed. That's that's a
clear-cut example. Um, we have a number
of different devices these days, like
people have smartwatches. Those are
capable of communication, but they also
do a lot of other things. Um, there's
there's tablets, there's laptops,
there's, you know, any number any range
of of different devices that are capable
of electronication, but the law doesn't
necessarily mandate that we ban all
those things. And I guess it might be
helpful to hear from similar teachers as
to what types of devices are are
problematic. We all know cell phones are
problematic. Um if we if we take if we
take cell phones but we don't take smart
watches or we do we think that the smart
watches are just going to become just as
just as bad you know are we
does anyone have any thoughts on that? I
mean I guess people kind of the
says and you're talking to the pod
audience.
>> Yeah. So, you know, the idea is it says
that we know the definition is a
is left up to the district to decide.
So, that's sort of what we're look at. S
is
Mr. Weeden.
>> My name is Blair Weeden. Yeah. I'm just
We moved on from the last thing.
>> No, but if you have something to say
about that, feel free. Uh yeah, I just
wanted to say I think it's going to be
probably a tiered thing. There's going
to be some growing pains. Um everybody's
going to have to step up the plate.
Teachers going to have to step up the
plate, do their jobs. Administration
going to have to step up their plate, do
their jobs with the students and the
teachers. Uh and the students going to
have to step up the plate and have their
own accountability. Um obviously you're
going to have to have some rules in
place, right? Maybe they all get their
phones done.
If that doesn't work, then they get
taken away. If it seems to get out of
control, everybody's going to throw in
the box.
The day home run, the end of the day,
they go back to round that we see
together going out the box. Um, then
we're moving on to I think that's
because the problem is is there's just
too much subjectivity, too much for
different interpretation, and that
they're all going to try to twist the
rules everywhere they possibly can. so
they can have their little personal
device on them. Uh, as far as the cell
phones are concerned, I think the smart
watches are going to rate the same path.
And all the adults that have their
smartwatches with their own plans on
them and half of them leave their phones
away and they just have their smartwatch
because everything's still coming in.
It's still a distraction. Whole point of
this is it's
>> not a distraction during school time.
So, uh, and then I think, you know, for
for people that do have serious physical
or emotional things that they're dealing
with school and they do need that
contact piece with their parent, maybe
their phone, maybe those three or six
kids, whatever it is in the school
system, their phone goes to the office,
okay? Instead of the home room, so if
they need to leave, they can get
permission from their teacher to go to
the office to deal with that phys that
emotional or medical situation that they
have. Uh but I I think the majority of
the school system is going to be fine
with throw in the box at the end of the
day
and then I agree that's going to be the
simplest way to deal with it without
having a distraction without having
wasting the resources of all the
administration to have to please that
all the resources of teachers which is
going to be teaching to have to do
something it's just going to be an
ongoing like thing that
like we said we never
But if we can just put it in the box,
um we don't have to worry about them
making an episode. So it's there safe.
We don't have to worry about safety
issues because we all have our rules in
place. There's emergency situation. We
go to the office. We have it all set up
to work. And I think that's just
simplified. It simplifies it for the
teachers. It simplifies it for the
students. It simplifies it for the
administration.
my opinion the easiest approach.
That's Thank you.
>> Um
um the the air pods are a an issue
because what the students do is they
flip their hair down. You don't see them
in there. Um and what I do as a teacher
is I just go like this and then they're
like and then they take them out. The
other thing they do is they just put one
in and then they flip their hair down so
you don't see them. But they don't hear
they actually don't hear me walking down
the hallway and I'll be like Wyatt my
own kid too and he doesn't they don't
hear. So what I did is I printed a bunch
of literature showing the data
notification why it's important with
volume and the decibels everything like
that. So, as much as I do value kids
that show study, listening to music
while studying is important, I think
there's got to be other ways to to to
look at that. So, again, I do see the
value of music studying, but there's got
to be another way. Maybe the school can
invest headphones. Um, I don't know. So,
that's like, you know, something we can
look at. Uh, the smartwatches, I can
leave my cell phone at home. I can wear
my watch and I can get every single call
and text because of the data. So, I
don't see how that is going to work. Um,
we don't have a lot of kids that wear
the big, you know, Bose headphones
anymore. Everyone wears AirPods. Um, I
don't think we probably have one student
that actually wears those. Um, this
school does have headphones, but to be
honest, not a single kid uses them. No
one uses those headphones. As an ESOL
teacher, I have elementary kids that use
the tablets. um bands of headphones, but
I'll be honest, they're not the best at
headphones. So, it' be great if we can
invest on something that's more user
friendly for headphones for those kids.
Um but yeah, the AirPods
we need to
>> Thank you. So um
you know we probably we'll see when the
cell phones are not available to the you
know we probably you'll see less kids
right
>> having you know having Bluetooth
connected devices operated but
>> there less
>> so in terms of um
terms of other types of devices
um you know whether we want to prohibit
personal computers if a kid has a
MacBook that they feel more comfortable
using as opposed to what we provide for
them. Uh are we going are we going to
allow that?
>> I could I don't you don't allow
that.
>> We don't allow
>> as of this time we don't allow you to
bring your own personal computer to be
provided.
>> Okay. So,
>> so we can add that. So, we can add that
to the list because we already don't
allow correct
>> the any electronic device every user
report
not used for testing. We don't allow
that any correct
Sorry, I don't I'm whispering. Um what
uh Casey and I were discussing
essentially there's a list here from the
Department of Education um that provides
for smartphones, cell phones, those are
obvious that's listed in the statute.
iPads, tablets, e-readers, Kindles,
laptops, Chromebooks, headphones,
headsets or in your earbuds, smart
watches, Fitbits, Samsung or other watch
brands, smart glasses or any electronic
device that can be used for transmitter,
receive information but not use testing.
So those are the the um
that's the state department of education
policy and restrictions with regards to
uh use of electronic devices during
testing uh by students. So that's sort
of an exhaustive list of things. Some of
those things I think are geared more
towards making sure that the tests are
valid and that they're you know that the
the kids aren't inappropriately
accessing information like they
shouldn't be during the test. But you
know is that the is that the full
definition of what we're looking for? I
think this target this this policy is
not targeting cheating as so much as
it's targeting you know um going to link
the use of the phones and still for
purposes that have been doing to be
antisocial.
Um, so
you know, is is there any additional
feedback on the the breadth of the
policy? What types of things that we're
looking to, you know, Bluetooth
connected devices, smartwatches, cell
phones,
um,
>> headphone tables.
>> They have on here e-readers and Kindles.
Is that an issue that we that we come
across with kids reading on electronic
books? You know, I mean, I guess that
would Not really.
>> I just because this came from the state
department
classifying as an electronic,
>> we could add non school issue. So we
could put non school issue iPads,
tablets, even your Kindles, you know.
>> Etc. So if it's school issued, they
could use it.
If you have a kid that's really learning
well on a Kindle, let's go
>> provided. Right.
>> Yeah. We put non-school provided.
>> Yeah. We have iPads,
>> right? Right. But the school provides
them. So, yeah. And non-school provided
items and
>> that would cover that. The only thing we
haven't addressed is smart glasses.
>> I bet we're getting there. Do you have
smart glasses?
Okay,
>> those glasses do make you look smart.
>> Which knowing some of these ingenious
kids when we take their cell phones and
their smart watches, they're going to
end up with smart glasses.
>> It's hot.
>> Did you Did you have a comment?
>> Paul,
>> okay. We always hope we do.
>> I would I would I would keep it simple
and just say you're banning all
nonschoolish technology and community
devices and then it covers everything.
And then you can you can also put
something in there unless approved by
administration if there's a specialist.
But
>> this school is going to get a child
anything they need.
>> Absolutely.
>> It's always been the culture here. I
have you know there's zero concern that
a kid wouldn't have a tool that they
would need from from my perspective.
Agreed. I mean we these kids do not go
without
>> agree.
We're black.
>> Yeah. No, you guys do. It starts with
you. So
>> that's all me. Just say
>> Santa Claus. Thanks. Um Okay. So then
the last you know I guess we we sort of
covered
you know the extent to which we want the
policy to apply. We've covered uh to
some extent the enforcement and the
consequences of violating the policy. Is
there any other issues that anyone wants
to raise on any of that or anything
else? I think you know the plan is for
the board to kind of further discuss it
this evening. Um, and you know,
hopefully we can come to a consensus on
on what we want because we do want to
have the policy sent to the parents
before our school, which we all know is
not far off. So, um, is there any other
>> Yes. Just a quick question. Is this able
to be altered throughout the course of
the school year being put teachers or
once it set in stone? Is that it for
this year?
>> Thought it would set in stone. Just
kidding.
>> So, so obviously the stuff that is uh is
dictated by statute. That's immutable.
We don't have any discretion in that. It
is what it is. All the other things, you
know, if we find that the policy is not
working for one reason or another, we
can change that. That's, you know,
that's part of what we do. We review the
policies. And, you know, it's oftentimes
that starts with the the staff
administration coming to us and saying,
"Hey, we have an issue. Can we can we
make a change?" That's what we did with
the middle school a couple years ago
when we back then closed the middle
school. So, you know, we are receptive
to that. We uh we we hope that folks
feel like they can come to us and bring
these issues because we're happy to re
these policies. So,
anything else?
>> Yeah. Do
my name.
I guess I'm from the older school. I'm
probably the oldest person in this
building right now.
When I was in school, we didn't have
computers. We didn't have cell phones.
We were there at the level. I realized
that this is a different generation.
Some people were talking about locking
cell phones in a
>> lock box or in their locker or something
like that. I would be against that
for a couple of reasons.
Yeah, you have fire drones listing.
What if there's an actual fire
and that kids phone is in the locked up
some place? Can't get hold of his
parents.
God forbid if there's a shooter in the
school.
The kid can't call his parents. It might
be the last time they
if that phone is locked up. I don't
believe in cocking any opponent. I think
what ought to be done is teach the kids
responsibility.
Teach the parents responsibility.
I carry mine in a backpack.
They ought to be able to do the same.
You responsible.
When I was in school, we used to be able
to bring our guns
in the car.
>> Me too. During the season,
>> they come in from their gun in the
library.
>> It took a few years for that to go away.
The same with cigarettes. It took a few
years that have to go away. You're not
going to do this overnight.
Teach the kids responsibility.
I don't know that when they leave that
building down there, they're probably
going to wind up working someplace where
they're not allowed to use that cell
I don't know that.
This is about all I'll ever say. Locking
them up. I don't vote for that. I mean,
they ought to be able to call their
parents in a real emergency.
>> Thank you, J.
You're gonna So all the kids that don't
want to put their phones in the box,
it's just you're just going to be back
the same thing. Half the kids used to
put them in the box, the other half are
going to they're going to keep your
phones. I mean, so I feel like then you
just you're all in circles
really like I think that's why the
need and just to just to note when you
get in school suspension I don't know I
guess I feel like your handbook I don't
even know if we have that here
book when you get suspended from school
that makes you ineligible to play sports
for the remaining in that sense. So I
mean there are consequences, there are
other things like that that we can do. I
mean I know we have a hard time making
games, but at the same time we want to
bring out a bunch of kids that like it's
okay to not follow the rule and just
high school and as long as you don't get
caught, it's okay. or do we actually
have consequences for these things? Like
maybe kids will learn.
>> I don't know. You can't go I can't go
back on parents. It's like I'm not
I have the most like with the whole
thing at home, but like I get something
because some kids don't have maybe don't
have that. But maybe this maybe if you
make the false advice so that eventually
if they keep doing it like eventually
you have to give the parents you know
what I mean.
>> So
I think they're taught the second time
the parent should never pick up the
>> Agreed.
>> Black second time my personality.
>> I agree.
I would ask all the parents what's the
what's the most effective consequence
for kids like for something that's phone
is it like punishing them
I mean they next day they're not going
to send me
>> that's what I wouldn't take
>> I said
>> if there's any consequence at home I
mean this is like for a phone related
thing is using the Well, they weren't
supposed to as parents to me think
grounding them or taking something away
from them is more
take sports away and I take them home.
>> The punishment has to take the planet.
>> I always feel like it's
>> takes
my son.
So, you said you looked up the cost of
what it would to do some kind of a lock
box type thing. Is that even feasible?
Is the cost um in the millions?
>> Um there books have three different type
of cases for us. There's something
called the new case, the one time
purchase. It has three-year
manufacturer. They're clear cases that
stickers on the front pack of 50 of
them. One unlocking station is $799.
>> Oh, that's true.
>> That's not bad. So, two of them.
>> Well, you got to think about all these
kids unlocking the phone at the end of
the day. So, you might need to purchase
unlocking station getting them in that
there's a little bit of a time
commitment there, right? And then
there's the common yonder pouch, which
they're about $30 a piece.
Um, and then there's the cell guard,
which is the storage cabinets,
and they hold about 32
uh
phones in them. And they're about 215
per case, but you would want
probably in multiple rooms so that way
kids could get them in that house in an
efficient. So, you're not, it's not, I
would think, all said and done.
So it's doable if we had to go that
route.
>> I think it's something
that you could do if you were going to
get it for all set. It wasn't going to
be a feasible.
>> No, I think it's
>> it could be if we needed to. Okay.
>> Now if you were in boxing like as far as
liability goes like if all our kids are
put their phones in there and something
happens that they'll ask me what I have
no idea for in this building. Um where's
the liability and not because those
phones are not cheap.
>> It would be the same liability as if
they're right now they have to have in
their backpacks and when there's a fire
bel drill or the fire bell goes off
you're not allowed to take your backpack
with you. You got to get out of
building. So either way those phones are
in the building. There's got to be
liability somewhere. Whether they're in
the kids's backpack, in their locker, in
the hallway, or in a lock box somewhere,
>> especially for
>> Especially as
my head. Sorry.
>> Yes. Sorry.
I think that it's kind of going circles.
I think like when you guys make a
decision on whether they go in a bag or
a box
>> or they don't or a backpack, the
liability doesn't change. the liability
is on the parents and that child. So if
the parents decide to send their kid to
school knowing that that might go in a
box, that's the risk that they take as a
parent with that device and that child
takes. It's not on the
>> So just tell the parents up front. This
is the risk you take. Your kid breaks
the rule once it's out of the their
backpack into the bag. They break the
rule twice. It's going safe. They can
get out of bed. with your
>> conability
on the phone.
>> Start with bag. I like
>> you like
>> a side of them.
>> The one thing that I think is really
important I think we really need to
stress is I think the kids are going to
adjust.
>> They're going to be fine.
>> The parents are going to struggle and
and I'm going to struggle. You know how
many times I want to text to Wyatt and
be like here. I don't have a local
pickle up. Pick up Maple. You got to get
Maple. So you someone like me, I'm going
to have to adjust because I I also need
to adjust to it. Yeah. I'm part of this.
So we need to really stress to the
parents to call the office. We need to
stress to the coaches if there is a
cancellation that Matt has to get on the
PA system and to get a hold of the
athletes that practice was cancelled. I
think the kids will be okay but the
parents the coaches those when games are
cancelled that's where every I have a
teacher for eight hours a day. Those
kids are like did you see that
cancelled? Oh my gosh. That's where kids
are hanging out their phones all day.
Oh, I have to my mom and I pick I have
to call my mom. That is where the kids
pick up their phones 90% of staff. So,
we really need to stress the parents and
and the athletics, which math does a
great job with, but that's really where
this is going to start. The kids will
the kids will be fine once we educate
them and work with
>> they
bring up a good point about sports team.
You get updates on team reach and not
all the sport. Well,
could be from Rex sports as well are not
teachers or part of the school system.
So they could be coaches at a different
um they don't work here and they may
post something at team reach and
kids I think
they get the updates to practice or meet
here or we're going to you know field
change. So if if that's going to be
taken out of the picture, we need to
think about the process.
>> Yeah, there's going to be more.
>> I think you can think all that stuff
too, but I will say if something goes on
team I think is school
messaging internally on
>> and then and the parents can still use
the team, right? So they'll still have
access they'll know what the changes
are. Students can get it from
>> and parents can still be tested or
emailed during the day. It's just the
>> The last one thing I'll say and add just
because I think we are going circles and
and we've all said what we want to say
and I personally and I know most of the
people here will support whatever
decision you make. We will support you
and we will support the school and I as
teacher will support it. What I my
biggest struggle right now is and like
everywhere you're going to have the ones
the families that follow the rules and
the ones that do not. This is a law.
That's not even a rule anymore. When
they lie and if you so say you go to
every kid has to put their phone in the
couch and when the kids that don't don't
and they get caught with them, there
needs to be a consequence to show
support to the families and the children
that do follow the rules because right
now there is no support. So I'm sending
my two kids coming in say you're not
having them put them in that bag. I'm
not going to hear about it. And yet
Johnny and Billy don't because they're
the typical ones that never do what
they're supposed to do and oh yeah just
don't do it tomorrow. Oh, we're going to
remember to bring it tomorrow. They're
not. They're going to lie every day
because there's no consequence for I'm
not I'm not supportive of suspensions or
in but there has to be a drastic
consequence and direct like we get to
search your bag now for your phone or
something. And I don't know, but it's
it's it gets to be too much for the ones
that follow the rules 100% of the time
and the ones that don't still get to do
what they and that would be the only
thing that I struggle with with all
phones in all bags immediately.
>> I would hate to put searching of
backpacks on the teachers. That should
be
>> Oh, yeah. No, not Betsy or whomever.
>> Okay, good or
>> I would hate for you to have to do that.
No, I give you fine. It's fine.
>> Save the
>> but it's on admin. Yes.
>> Do that.
>> Oh,
>> well, thank you all for coming. Um, we
definitely appreciate it. Uh, we wanted
this. We got the feedback that we were
looking for. I think we just need to
think it through. Um, and come up with
how we're going to
>> We have simplified tonight. I feel like
Okay, we got a lot to talk about.
>> They need it tonight.
>> Well,
>> yeah, we're we're going to talk through
it, I guess.
>> Well, they can stay for the rest of it
if they want to.
>> The rest of the meeting, the rest of the
meeting is open to the public, but in
terms of
>> stay, it's going to be riveting.
>> Have a good night.
We're just going to we're going to talk
amongst ourselves and try to come up
with what they
>> call.
Yes,
>> in most of these the only like on the
first page that I see is that it should
>> um we have to add nonschool
>> so tablets laptops correct
>> no it's already there so you go second
paragraph for the purpose of this policy
personal communication devices defined
as nond district provided internet
text even access
>> okay I went
>> personal devicesclude So laptops,
tablets, we watch this.
>> I'd say that's pretty comprehensive.
>> Yeah. And
that's
anything.
>> You're so
late.
>> Mark said you don't have to clean up the
chairs and tables.
So um
>> I mean I would say that that
>> in terms of feedback
the the broad the broader definition is
fine if we if we have additional
education needs the district to those
additional plans. Yeah. Okay. So, we're
happy with
>> I think AirPods are as distracting as
phones. And I get it. If your phone
isn't on, then what are you connected
to? But who knows? Who knows what build,
you know, and it's just a distraction
and it's unhealthy.
>> I would include all of that. Not because
Bluetooth connected.
>> And if we leave, I think that's
>> any other Bluetooth.
We believe smart glasses that we have
those next. Yeah.
>> No, I think that all falls into that
matter.
>> You know,
>> um I mean the next paragraph FB under
restrictions is not public debates,
>> right?
>> yeah,
>> neither is C. So, so well I'm talking
about so the first paragraph under under
section D is not up for debate. The
second paragraph
is up for debate.
and I guess it depends on what we want
to do about that.
>> So, it sounds like that's putting it in
the hands of the coaches, the
supervisor, the staff that's attending
that field trip. is that
>> and it's it's outside of the school. So
like the senior and things like that.
>> I see it happening outside
>> kids going to the basketball game soccer
game.
>> What's this field trip? So I understand
why you think field trip
>> but it doesn't count when the fifth
grade goes when they're not Washington.
They can't take their phones with
>> Right. Right.
>> I'm thinking like what about this team
leaves on Fridays to go skiing and they
think they're technically undeveloped.
>> Yeah. I mean that's the that's I guess
where we're where
that's that's a little bit that is a
different Sure. I mean we and we
definitely have
>> we definitely have teams that for school
from from school
>> um you know the
extracurricular activities
>> co-curricular activities field trips or
other activities outside the school day.
They're basically saying that's this
policy is essentially saying that um
is discretion based on coach or the
teacher invol charge.
>> Are we are we okay with this policy? I
mean that is what we do now. Are we
seeing that use of um sub or those types
of devices on on the bus on the way back
and forth from soccer? Is that a
problem?
>> Is that something that we need to
address? and the effort of address
issues
>> not around.
>> So yeah, maybe just keep it as it is.
>> And until it's proven that we have to
change it as
>> um and then the third paragraph of
section B
>> already agreed to that.
>> That's something that we're doing
anyway. It sounds like
four or Yeah. fourth paragraph. um
turned off in a locker, backpack, or
handbag.
>> That's
the thing, too.
>> I think we go with a lot of concerns
about the whole bagging system thing. I
think we're going to get a lot of
parents that are like,
>> "Screw you. You're not taking my kid's
phone at the beginning of the day." And
if we say, you know, these are the rules
and even if we chose the the the tiered
approach, okay, well then this rule,
they keep it in their bags. If they
break it, then it goes in the bag. They
already know that
>> the bag thing. I don't know. I I
appreciate the teachers perspectives on
it. And maybe they're right because I'm
I'm not here. I'm not a teacher. But it
just first of all, it seems like a drain
on resources. We're going to have to
reconfigure the day, reschedule the day,
figure out how the bags work. Okay, do
we have them do it and they lock it
themselves and leave it? Do we figure
out who does it? How do we chase down
the kids that inevitably lie about it?
But again, I'm not an educator, so I
don't know. That's just my feeling on
it. that that's a that's a tough
>> I think the logistics of implementing
basically a mass conversation of phones
at the beginning of every day and then
getting them back to the right person at
the end of the day
>> present some challenges that
that you know
>> I think we all not agree with that
>> undertake until we so it's
>> and I think there's also something to be
said for
again if if we want to I think that we
need to educate the students and educate
the parents about why this is why this
is and
getting them invested in it. Okay. So,
you know, this is the law. This is what
we have to follow and we are treating
you like you know this is your personal
device and you you have to follow the
law and if you don't then there's a
consequence. But right off the bat being
so militant about it I just think is
going to put a bad taste in everybody's
mouth. And if we give them the benefit
of the doubt and try it. What do you
guys think as administrators?
>> I mean, I think we've always had the
approach when we have something new like
this is I mean, obviously, right, no
phones, but I don't see us putting a
hammer down on the first time a kid
comes into school and has his phone out.
I think it's you try to have that softer
approach in the beginning just to that's
part of that educational piece.
>> Yeah. saying like you're not allowed to
have your phone and um but I I don't
know like I mean that's what we've done
in the past and maybe that doesn't work
but we always side
>> either huge side but we don't think
necessarily
>> I think what's happened is that it's an
inconsistency and strategic
>> you know that's where like I feel like
Matt's funding from there's been so much
assistant. He has to deal with this all
day given his role of conflict. So with
kids and then teachers coming because
he's in that role that there's so much
inconsistency
that
we make uniform. I get that. But I I
actually like that morning
the dice like put a few bags in each
room. You put your phone in there and
now you need to bring your phone to the
office. At the end of the day, you need
to go to the office to get it. And then
the teachers aren't putting amps on the
phone. The thing
>> we put a few of these little devices,
the lock stuff down at the office. The
second one
>> like have that conversation and we have
and I think we need to say after warning
and remainder of the school day, I think
>> there needs to be a conversation with
the parent. Like I feel like we don't
just take it and then the next time a
parent has to go.
What's going on here? There has to be a
phone call home to the parent. Let them
know we had to take the phone for the
day. The next time that this happens
with your
>> I feel like and then we put a few of
these devices in each room. I know it's
a lot on the teachers. They just have to
be on the same page.
>> Yeah. And then
>> you know like
>> I mean could there be in that instance
could there be a general email that gets
sent to every parent that's just the
same email that that Kim maybe could
send out or make it easy
>> created all kinds because when we
thought maybe this would go through
created a podcast phone call we created
>> a big post for social media individual
daily out email already written to the
family of frequently asked questions.
>> You just have to adapt it.
>> But if the student,
>> not that that's not what I'm talking
about. If the student has their phone
taken away first time today, I have to
put in a bag and take to the office. Now
my mom or my dad has to be notified. But
instead of putting that on the teacher
because they're going to have they have
so much anyway. Is there just a general
email that says, "I took your kids phone
away, it happens again, you get out to
pick it up that Kim could just hit a
button and it goes."
>> And I I think That's a good idea. But if
it's a large volume, you're making 15
phone calls.
>> Exactly.
>> That like that. But simple,
>> but we could do that. But not every
family has emails or email. I think that
connection with the school is important.
So I feel like the teacher should
probably have to we have to do it or or
you can say, "I'll take it over." But
there has to be something put in our
message system to say that this
happened. Phone call message home. like
maybe we left the voice message and then
we fall off with an email or something.
There needs to be time.
>> I was just trying to figure make it
really simple that
>> I do think
50
>> if everyone checked their email. I would
agree with that. But I'm not sure every
parent has an email.
>> Okay. But I think most I mean we could
do that mass email to blind CC but
>> well not a mass one just to
>> No you Yeah, but you could blind CC like
you could send one put for all the blind
CC parents. So basically it's like your
student your student was caught in our
film today.
Next time happens you're
>> we can do a message. We just put a
message will be delivered to the parent
something.
If it's an email it's
>> I'm just and then you can decide how
busy it is. It might only
>> No, you're right. I mean if the volume
is high then yes. If it's low then a
phone call. Just
>> yeah.
>> Also, you may have a better sense of
what the best how how we get the best
response out, right?
>> But we can they may only get responses
from email some parents. Who knows,
>> Uh exceptions. These are the ones that
are written by
>> we can't change anything.
>> So section D is weird, right? It says
consequence of violations and it has
this paragraph at the top
of like
>> doesn't make any sense to think policy.
I would obviously strike you.
>> What is um that the school reserves the
right to monitor inspect copy review
students personal electronics by subject
to limitations of RSA 970 if there's
reason spec suspicion. Do we do that?
No,
>> I don't. We don't. I'm not searching
through kids phones if we think they
violated the board.
>> Not hope that's not
>> Okay, good. Thank you for that. So, I
agree. I agree with taking that
paragraph right out. Anybody have any
opposition to that? No.
>> I I think that there's certain
circumstances where where searching a
kid's phone may be appropriate. I would
I would say I would say that the police
are involved.
>> Police would be involved.
>> You have to search your phone. Police
>> I'm gonna share this with you in a big
show, but we don't
>> if you have to go to that.
>> The police will be there.
>> Absolutely. And it would be a probably a
title N issue.
>> Yes. Okay. That that's got to go.
>> And there Yeah. And there's some I don't
want to do that because I don't want to
look at things that I might get trouble
for.
>> You can't unsee it. Yes,
>> there are things right like that could
be in trouble.
>> I could be in trouble for actually
looking at
>> so yeah the idea is we are you know if
we think a kid brought a gun to school
we can go search their back.
>> Oh sure kid no question
>> you know is doing something
inappropriate on on Snapchat. We're not
getting involved in that if it's
something that raises the level of
criminal matter we'll make referral but
I don't think school should be getting
>> agreed. Um, okay. Uh, so in terms of
consequences, I guess this is the this
is where
>> we're not having anything sent to us. So
just so you know, like if a kid says,
"Let me see that." We're not saying,
"Oh, please set this like not that."
>> No, I Yes. To make it clear, I
>> in school districts. I swear. And if
something inappropriate did get sent, I
would assume that the police would be
involved with that.
>> Perfect.
>> So maybe first offense is confiscation.
Confiscation
>> put in one of those facts like that's
what we get the facts for.
>> Yes. That's that would be the com
confiscation.
>> I mean we we can if we want to leave it
as as written. Okay. Confiscation can
take whatever form the administration.
>> That gives us some in the thought
straight on.
>> I just want to share. I would just say
confiscation. Now it's just phone hand
and it's on my desk.
>> Oh, I like the idea of the student puts
it in a bag. The student takes the bag
to the office and then you have no
liability on that form because it's in
>> Yeah. saying what when you say
confiscation that's how it's been in the
>> we may not have these like at the start
of the school year
they might have to personally
>> or the student brings it down to the
office puts it in a box whoever that has
to be but I like the idea of the student
having all of that liability
>> I I have I have concerns not just from a
like a liability perspective in terms of
like you know their expensive devices we
don't want to be in you know
they're
Right. So, but I also have concerns of,
you know, maybe students are claiming
that while I was in Mr. possession,
somebody accessed their social media.
Yeah. You know,
>> I think that our the way in which we
effectuate confiscation has to be has to
has to be structured to protect the
district as well, right? And so it, you
know, we're if we're going to be taking
possession of somebody's phone to be in
a way that is that ensures that we are
not then uh
being accused of doing something with it
or destroying it or or something like
that that
you know there's there's got to be some
way that we can figure out and I think
the you know the bag makes sense if you
know the student is is still um
responsible for putting it in the bag.
It remains locked in the bag, you know,
at least we have at least that's one
step in that direction, right?
>> Um you know, and but I you'll think that
before they put up the bag,
>> power off.
>> Yeah. Powered off.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think good stuff. Yeah.
>> I think I mean, right, theoretically,
it's powered off already. Yeah. But I
guess if they're putting it in the bag,
>> they've been busted with it. and it's
been busted with it
>> to the extent that you know we're taking
the phone. I think we need to be
cognizant of the of what that you know
sort of opens us up to in terms of um
liability.
>> We should add to number one though the
parents will be contacted
and parents will be notified. Yes,
>> parents will be notified.
>> Yep. I love that.
>> No questions.
>> Yes. Are you saying that if if kids in
the classroom the teacher sees this, you
tell the teach the kid to take the
student take the film by themselves to
the office
>> the teacher will have the bag,
>> right? Okay.
>> Yeah. I mean the other
>> because the other reason why is because
uh even Heather told me last year her
her son has said well can I have my old
phone because what I want is if you know
if they take my phone or I'll I'll give
them my fruit phone I'll have
>> ah
that's you're gonna see it you're gonna
see it and I think
>> kids are going to be kids so we're going
to expect all of them
>> so they'll put their old phone in the
bag take to the office and then they get
caught with their other one and then
it's then it's mom picks it
your second offense.
>> Even if it's in one day, if it's in one
day,
>> there shouldn't be a second offense in
one day. If it's students, if it's in
the thing for the entire day and they
have to come down and get it unlocked,
>> if they give you,
>> they give us the burner.
>> It's going to be a whole market.
>> It is a new market for like $20 phones.
You're just going to have a pile of
unexpected.
>> I like that first first offense though.
>> I I like the second offense as well.
>> Yeah. Same thing.
>> So, a disciplinary referral will be
written. What are we in
>> write it in our system? No matter what
document that a kid has done that's
preferred to come so that way if it
happens we have documentation in the
system disciplinary but we can write
disciplinary documentation
>> I think we just
>> do it be written up the first defense
will be written up at all
>> right away so will the second
>> yeah that's what I'm saying it it'll
just be an alma so we'll have that
record of
>> so we get rid of the second sentence
>> third
use our student student
>> comp
the um there was a somebody suggested I
don't remember what it was the third
offense well I wrote down what they were
talking about it third offense the phone
will be placed in the office at the
beginning of the or in the box in the
bag whatever at the beginning of the day
um for 10 consecutive days each time and
you can start over and if you get caught
with your phone and it's at the bank for
10:00 for 10 days and you get it back
and on that 11th day you again we start
over. So you can go through this with
the same student for months.
>> Are we
>> Does it make more sense to just say
after a certain amount of time not
allowed to bring school?
>> Yeah. And so defense code of conduct
will be implemented including up to
Yeah. Uh not allowed to
>> I will I think that that makes sense.
It does.
>> I will say that I I I don't think that,
you know, that we need to be thinking in
>> suspensions for kids.
I think we lose
>> we lose the value of that that
discipline and I think we should be
saving those for trying to keep kids in
class.
>> And and the whole education piece about
it. I think that there is a like
compassionate I guess component to this
where we're like we because it is an
addiction and it is a comfort thing for
a lot of kids and a lot of parents. So
us presenting this as like we get it.
This is a huge transition. This is a
massive change. You know the parents
here tonight remember when you were able
to smoke in school got like it's a
massive change and we get that it's
going to be hard. people are going to
make mistakes and you know people are
going to get caught smoking in the
bathrooms and
>> that took a long time.
>> We start that's how we started last
year.
>> Right. Yeah.
>> Right. We were really holding that
policy unless some of us said
>> you know it it worked. It was working
kids were doing it then see like you
said once they could get away with it
>> in the class then it was then it became
as they said just little by little by
little. So we we did do that educational
piece because we realized that
>> we realized that it was it was addicted
and you're not going to be able to like
beat them off in two minutes.
>> But now it's
>> Yeah. But we can still we can still, you
know, educate. But I I think what like
we said, we need to
>> get the staff involved too to be they
have to be and like and it's including
us, right? Like like I don't wear I got
rid of mask my watch. I'm trying to get,
you know, be good on my phone because
they're going to look at us and say the
same thing. What do you do?
>> And I get it.
>> Yeah. It's going to be a transition, but
I think that even the groundwork that
was laid last year is going to help. I
think that the the more education and
support we give and like understanding
to the parents like
>> Yeah. It stinks that our hands are tied
and because it does it's not
>> paper everywhere right now. So you
haven't
>> it's everywhere.
>> We have some we have some bail wins.
>> What was your your suggestion on number
three again? Um, subsequent offenses,
code of conduct would be implement
including an art to not.
>> Yeah. So, we refer to code of conduct
because the whole thing is to have them
focus be
can't be here like
>> Yeah. Know I don't like that.
>> Yeah. That doesn't the lock is Yeah.
Right.
>> And and you know our our code of conduct
of course pretty broad latitude I should
do address whatever the issue is.
>> Yeah. in a way that
>> you have graduated sanctions. There's
all sorts of stuff around code of
conduct that you have to put in place.
You can't just go the suspension. Plus,
it's a safety thing, right? Yeah.
>> But I do like having
>> I I do think having concrete
consequences that are easily understood
by the students thought the first or
second test is of value. So that they
know exactly what's going to happen.
if they buy that if that makes sense
>> and also reassuring the parents of the
safety measures that are already put in
place, right?
>> Yes, true. Good call.
>> Right. I really liked what somebody had
said about
>> protocols are
some messages. You just can't post that
stuff. That can be out to the
>> I was going to try to say something.
>> Yeah. I mean, right. And that's why we
haven't she was asking before,
>> but we can clearly, you know, have those
>> you can do some sort of to the point of
>> if it's in a lock box in the office or
in their lockers, if there is an
emergency, they're not going to either
place. So, it's
>> right.
>> But Jen, with the liability question, it
doesn't mean whether their phones are in
their backpacks or in a locked box
somewhere. It doesn't matter because
they're not taking them with them when
the fire alarm goes off anyway.
>> Hopefully they're not.
>> No, but I think there's a difference
between between like us saying, "Okay,
you have to everyone's got to put their
phone in their locker or in this
specific spot and us taking
people." I think that there's a bit of a
difference
>> liability with Primeax. Should we check
with BMEX to see what they have for
suggestions on this or not viable?
>> But I don't know if it is enforceable,
but it does
say that all you want for a car accident
just
>> have to give a call to see if there's
some insurance and maybe they have some
input on this. I think it, you know,
Blair's sort of suggestion was in in
terms of messaging to say like look, you
understand that this is the potential
consequence if your child brings a
device to school and your child uses the
device while in school. You understand
that if you allow your child to bring
this that device to school that you that
>> you know, so that's that may happen.
>> Yeah. And if that happens that you know
that's on you for allowing it brings the
advice to school.
>> I mean that goes that that only goes so
far but you know I think just messaging
like look this is what could potentially
happen. So if you're not comfortable
with that with that then don't allow
your child to bring.
>> So we have frequently asked questions.
What are communicative devices
prohibited during the school day? What
is considered a communication device?
Are there exceptions to this policy? How
can I reach my child during an urgent
situation emergency? How can I reach my
child after school for school sponsored
events? What happens if student violates
this policy? Where should the student
keep their device? If my student's
device is stolen or lost, the school
district is not responsible for any loss
damage or theft of personal
communication devices upon requesting
the district to provide that for the
students. We we took that actually. So
we just kind of said we can add in there
it suggests devices to be locked out. We
have
>> I like that part in the thing. The
suggestion is leave it at home. If it's
coming to school, it's locked in their
backpack gets found. Yeah.
>> I like those questions too. The asked
questions. That's great.
>> Are we What do we like to educate the
parents other than
going out in emails and whatever?
>> So we have this set up that we'll send
out an all message. Okay.
>> Email that has the FAQs
podcast and the policy.
>> For our and we're going to put that all
on our website. So, it's there. And then
we have all of this stuff ready to go in
social media. So, each
kind
of communicate like so we have that. We
can hold a a meeting. Um,
>> are you sending something home like with
elementary students?
>> All students. This will go
>> No, high school kids don't bring stuff
home. They just
>> Oh, send No, we weren't going to send it
personally home with you.
>> We were going to send it ahead of
before.
>> Sure.
>> Should would you follow up while we got,
you know, the first week of school or
not?
>> I mean, we can follow up whatever. We
can actually have a meeting with the
parents, you know, if we want like come
hear about the cell phone.
>> Yeah. You know how that goes. It's get
the ones that showed up tonight are the
ones that'll come to that meeting
>> or you know the other thing we can do is
um have a quick one at the beginning of
open house. Right. We get a lot of
people at open house.
>> Great. I somebody there just to tell
them about open house. Let's cover these
quick things.
>> Yeah. Quick things. And um you now we do
open house where they all go into the
high school. you have a little bit of an
introductory and answer some questions
and provide like there's some statements
around you can go and get some
information
>> that could be just like we talk about
here are the
>> so could a frequently asked question two
be why is this law here? what like why
is this and just basically give them
like
>> the proof
>> center research
>> showing
>> so we put like on our social media the
irony about like kids the amount of text
they receive I can just pull that data
about that the research around that
>> so I feel like some parents don't even
know that they think oh you know they're
not
>> putting two and two together they might
think that the state is just
>> yeah we're just you know making some
>> this was good productive.
>> All right. So I mean I guess
we have
we we have the the sort of the policy
here that we have made a couple of
changes to. Is is everybody comfortable
with what it looks
>> what we just put in place back on the
ski team?
>> Well, it still doesn't we have to adjust
that like if
>> that's for those students. So, they're
actually are dismissed.
>> That would be their bell before they are
dismissed. That doesn't count as one of
their school days.
>> Well, it's they're in school for the
day, but they're dismissed early. Well,
I hope that still counts as day one day.
>> Yeah, because it's more than half a day.
>> The way this says in here is outside of
the school game. That's
>> Could we say any further
for a school sanctioned event?
>> So, even go back at school and say, "Ah,
I get to use my
>> Yeah. So could the basketball team when
they leave.
>> Maybe we'll get more kids to participate
in sports.
>> They leave early to go to court at 1:00
in the afternoon."
>> Well, that's that's exactly what I'm
bringing up,
>> right? Yeah. I feel I feel better as a
parent obviously knowing where they are.
>> Yeah. And they're they're traveling
>> and they're not coming
with that.
>> The way the policy is written that
doesn't include there. So we need to
break that in the policy. So Wyoming
law.
>> Give me give me one.
>> You're saying that students that are
leaving the school grounds
>> for the day?
>> Do you think that they should not be
able to or that they should?
>> No. No. I just said we should include in
our policy whatever whatever you decide.
I don't see any Joe's saying that when
they leave at 1:00 that school isn't
officially over.
>> But so we would have to write something
in to say like if you're
>> Yeah. If you're leaving for an athletic
event or whatever,
>> then that is your official thing
outside.
So all we have to do if if we are if the
intention is to say any student who has
left the building for any activity
>> dismissed for the day
>> that that u if you if you've been
dismissed as part of a official school
activity not a field trip you know then
then that is the end of your instruction
you know for purposes of this
>> if they're not returning to school for
the
>> we can just put I sports
in
we just take out outside of the school
day because that's the part that's
limiting
>> well on the
>> and then if we're going to do that then
we should get rid of the field trips
>> because we don't want that to be
>> true.
>> All right. So if we're seeing
extracurricular co-curricular activities
or other activities outside of the
school or or other city activities
outside of the school period
shall shall abide and get so get rid of
>> get rid of the word day. Get rid of
field trips
>> and then debatable.
>> You say about field trips.
>> Those are going to apply. The school's
policy ban is going to apply field
trips.
>> Yeah,
>> we can put it here. The school day
includes enough parents passing time,
recess, and field trips.
>> Yeah. Because field trips have been an
issue with cell phones in the past for
us.
>> So take out field trips. Take out
Jagraph
two paragraph one and a comment and
field trips.
>> Love it.
>> Yeah. like
>> so um
I think it makes sense for us to
bypass the first reading, second reading
and vote on this policy tonight unless
anyone has any objection to that.
>> I'm good with that. It also says in
there that it has to be reviewed prior
to April 1. So
>> try it. April 1pril,
>> we'll say anyway. I don't think there's
any I don't think there's anything in
the false in this the law that indicates
April first.
>> Oh, okay. That's what Okay, that's what
this says.
>> So where it says for policy change, just
put a period.
>> Yeah, because it just says annually and
the statute policy in collaboration with
parents and teachers. But she'll take
the wire.
>> I think I think what they're saying in
this is we should have a meeting like
this every year, but I don't think when
the law we don't have to.
>> I'm supposed to meet with the parents
and the teachers and then report any
recommendation to the board April 1.
>> So you need to have another meeting like
this. Is that necessary? It just says
such policy shall be developed in
collaboration with disabil parents.
Teachers shall be reviewed annually.
That's all it says. So we can make
whatever rule we want other than you
know we review a lot of policies
annually.
>> We can just put in our packets.
>> This policy will be reviewed yearly
period.
>> Review it
>> in the same way.
>> In the same way we policy
more.
>> We could take all that other stuff out
and I don't think we need to have this
every year. No, but I would suggest that
we put it on the agenda for like our
either our first or second meeting after
school starts so that we can get just a
update on how things are going and make
any changes that we need to.
>> Agree.
>> Yeah, Jay, I agree with that because I
wanted to say earlier I talked with Trey
uh today he yesterday he went to an AI
meeting and met with a lot of other
people from around and I think it was
Manchester who passed their policy
Monday.
They're passing off in a couple of
weeks.
>> Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. They had their first meeting on
>> But but but what what we could do or you
can do is review that other policies and
maybe take and say something that that
we forgot about looks like a good idea.
>> I think it's going to be impossible for
us to anticipate every c everything. So
we do the best we can. We make
adjustments.
>> Feels very thorough. Yeah. Yeah.
>> There there. So I guess one thing I
would note is there's going to be some
discretion in on your part. Uh there are
a couple different things. Number one,
what form notification parents takes and
you know number two how confiscation and
protecting those phones and all the
stuff is achieved.
>> We didn't do it. We don't touch it.
>> And I that that sounds like a good idea.
you know, we that that's going to take
some logistics in place for us to
achieve that. But ultimately, that's
probably best best, but you know, that's
going to be stuff that's kind of left
for you guys to kind of work out how the
details get.
All right. Any other uh thoughts on
um modifications and policy, addition,
subtractions?
All right. Hearing none, I will accept
the motion to uh approve the
unauthorized communication devices
policy as amended here.
>> I know Sharon has taken
>> second.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I oppos.
And that motion carries.
>> Motion to adjurnn. Second.
>> How was the favor?
Thank you very