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05/06/26 Cheshire County Commissioner's Meeting

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Nobody in here.
Nobody in here. >> All right.
>> All right.
>> All right. Gonna start the commissioners meeting
Gonna start the commissioners meeting
Gonna start the commissioners meeting Wednesday, May 6, 2026.
Wednesday, May 6, 2026.
Wednesday, May 6, 2026. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> All commissioners are present. Starting
>> All commissioners are present. Starting
>> All commissioners are present. Starting off with public comment. I don't see
off with public comment. I don't see
off with public comment. I don't see anything. I see Mark here, but that's
anything. I see Mark here, but that's
anything. I see Mark here, but that's not public. Um,
not public. Um,
not public. Um, so, and he's on the phone talking.
so, and he's on the phone talking.
so, and he's on the phone talking. So, we're going to move on. And since
So, we're going to move on. And since
So, we're going to move on. And since he's on the phone and he's the only one
he's on the phone and he's the only one
he's on the phone and he's the only one here, elected officials, department
here, elected officials, department
here, elected officials, department heads, I'm going to skip. And since we
heads, I'm going to skip. And since we
heads, I'm going to skip. And since we have the judge here, why don't you start
have the judge here, why don't you start
have the judge here, why don't you start off by saying who you are and then we
off by saying who you are and then we
off by saying who you are and then we can talk about why you're here.
can talk about why you're here.
can talk about why you're here. >> Great. Good morning. I'm Ann Edwards.
>> Great. Good morning. I'm Ann Edwards.
>> Great. Good morning. I'm Ann Edwards. I'm the superior courts next door.
I'm the superior courts next door.
I'm the superior courts next door. >> Welcome.
>> Welcome.
>> Welcome. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> So, you wanted to come over and just
>> So, you wanted to come over and just
>> So, you wanted to come over and just give a an update, get get any input from
give a an update, get get any input from
give a an update, get get any input from us or anything like that?
us or anything like that?
us or anything like that? >> I did. I just wanted to come over and
>> I did. I just wanted to come over and
>> I did. I just wanted to come over and introduce myself. I've been here in
introduce myself. I've been here in
introduce myself. I've been here in Cheshire County since October of 2024
Cheshire County since October of 2024
Cheshire County since October of 2024 and finally am getting out and about to
and finally am getting out and about to
and finally am getting out and about to meet different folks. I have had the
meet different folks. I have had the
meet different folks. I have had the pleasure of meeting Commissioner Stewart
pleasure of meeting Commissioner Stewart
pleasure of meeting Commissioner Stewart a couple of different times at court
a couple of different times at court
a couple of different times at court graduations
graduations
graduations >> which has been very nice to have her.
>> which has been very nice to have her.
>> which has been very nice to have her. >> I think we have one coming up.
>> I think we have one coming up.
>> I think we have one coming up. >> We do on May 19th. I was going to remind
>> We do on May 19th. I was going to remind
>> We do on May 19th. I was going to remind everyone of that at 2 o'clock we have
everyone of that at 2 o'clock we have
everyone of that at 2 o'clock we have another graduation and I just wanted to
another graduation and I just wanted to
another graduation and I just wanted to talk about the fact that I really enjoy
talk about the fact that I really enjoy
talk about the fact that I really enjoy being in Cheshire County. I enjoy how
being in Cheshire County. I enjoy how
being in Cheshire County. I enjoy how much support the county provides to the
much support the county provides to the
much support the county provides to the treatment court to the house of
treatment court to the house of
treatment court to the house of corrections. The services that are
corrections. The services that are
corrections. The services that are available, both pre-trial services and
available, both pre-trial services and
available, both pre-trial services and while people are at the House of
while people are at the House of
while people are at the House of Corrections, are significant and they
Corrections, are significant and they
Corrections, are significant and they are very much appreciated from the
are very much appreciated from the
are very much appreciated from the perspective of the judges because it
perspective of the judges because it
perspective of the judges because it means that we have places for people to
means that we have places for people to
means that we have places for people to go to be able to get some rehabilitation
go to be able to get some rehabilitation
go to be able to get some rehabilitation even while they're waiting for their
even while they're waiting for their
even while they're waiting for their cases to be heard. That's not
cases to be heard. That's not
cases to be heard. That's not necessarily the case in every county.
necessarily the case in every county.
necessarily the case in every county. So, it's nice to be able to be in a
So, it's nice to be able to be in a
So, it's nice to be able to be in a county. I came from Straford County
county. I came from Straford County
county. I came from Straford County where where I was for 10 months before I
where where I was for 10 months before I
where where I was for 10 months before I came here. So, I had gotten used to
came here. So, I had gotten used to
came here. So, I had gotten used to having some pre-trial services and it's
having some pre-trial services and it's
having some pre-trial services and it's nice to have those continued. And so,
nice to have those continued. And so,
nice to have those continued. And so, I didn't know if I don't have anything
I didn't know if I don't have anything
I didn't know if I don't have anything specific to report. The court's busy. It
specific to report. The court's busy. It
specific to report. The court's busy. It keeps moving along. The circuit court is
keeps moving along. The circuit court is
keeps moving along. The circuit court is much busier than the superior court is,
much busier than the superior court is,
much busier than the superior court is, but there is a lot going on because of
but there is a lot going on because of
but there is a lot going on because of the availability that we have. we are
the availability that we have. we are
the availability that we have. we are able to reach cases much more quickly in
able to reach cases much more quickly in
able to reach cases much more quickly in the superior court here, especially
the superior court here, especially
the superior court here, especially civil cases than we're able to that I
civil cases than we're able to that I
civil cases than we're able to that I was able to reach in Straford County for
was able to reach in Straford County for
was able to reach in Straford County for example or even in Hillsboro North. And
example or even in Hillsboro North. And
example or even in Hillsboro North. And so I think that is a service to the
so I think that is a service to the
so I think that is a service to the citizens of Cheshire County because
citizens of Cheshire County because
citizens of Cheshire County because there's nothing worse than having a real
there's nothing worse than having a real
there's nothing worse than having a real estate case involving your home or your
estate case involving your home or your
estate case involving your home or your personal property or your business
personal property or your business
personal property or your business property and not being able to have that
property and not being able to have that
property and not being able to have that case reached for three or four years.
case reached for three or four years.
case reached for three or four years. And here I'm trying two civil cases with
And here I'm trying two civil cases with
And here I'm trying two civil cases with respect to property this month that are
respect to property this month that are
respect to property this month that are less than a year old. So
less than a year old. So
less than a year old. So >> that's good.
>> that's good.
>> that's good. >> That is good. That's good for the
>> That is good. That's good for the
>> That is good. That's good for the property owners.
property owners.
property owners. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Because they can have their disputes
>> Because they can have their disputes
>> Because they can have their disputes decided much more quickly.
decided much more quickly.
decided much more quickly. >> You just said on the Ferris and Troy
>> You just said on the Ferris and Troy
>> You just said on the Ferris and Troy water thing right there. I read that
water thing right there. I read that
water thing right there. I read that news story and I got to tell you I I
news story and I got to tell you I I
news story and I got to tell you I I don't understand what that means
don't understand what that means
don't understand what that means to the to the to the process.
to the to the to the process.
to the to the to the process. >> So there's a way to move a case along
>> So there's a way to move a case along
>> So there's a way to move a case along more quickly than going to trial which
more quickly than going to trial which
more quickly than going to trial which is by filing what's called a motion for
is by filing what's called a motion for
is by filing what's called a motion for summary judgement. Yeah.
summary judgement. Yeah.
summary judgement. Yeah. >> And in that case they that was what the
>> And in that case they that was what the
>> And in that case they that was what the town had done. And
town had done. And
town had done. And the challenge is not all issues can
the challenge is not all issues can
the challenge is not all issues can necessarily be decided on summary
necessarily be decided on summary
necessarily be decided on summary judgment. In order to decide a summary
judgment. In order to decide a summary
judgment. In order to decide a summary judgement motion, there has to be no
judgement motion, there has to be no
judgement motion, there has to be no material facts in dispute. And in that
material facts in dispute. And in that
material facts in dispute. And in that case, there what I found in that order
case, there what I found in that order
case, there what I found in that order is that there are some material facts in
is that there are some material facts in
is that there are some material facts in dispute on certain claims, but there are
dispute on certain claims, but there are
dispute on certain claims, but there are other claims that the law is clear on.
other claims that the law is clear on.
other claims that the law is clear on. And in those claims, I dismissed those
And in those claims, I dismissed those
And in those claims, I dismissed those claims.
claims.
claims. >> So, did that simplify?
>> So, did that simplify?
>> So, did that simplify? >> It will streamline it.
>> It will streamline it.
>> It will streamline it. >> Yeah, that's good. That's good.
>> Yeah, that's good. That's good.
>> Yeah, that's good. That's good. >> And that's it's important in cases like
>> And that's it's important in cases like
>> And that's it's important in cases like that because that's a complicated
that because that's a complicated
that because that's a complicated property. That's a good example of a
property. That's a good example of a
property. That's a good example of a property that's very complicated and how
property that's very complicated and how
property that's very complicated and how to deal with that, how to move forward
to deal with that, how to move forward
to deal with that, how to move forward on it. It's streamlining it will help
on it. It's streamlining it will help
on it. It's streamlining it will help both parties.
both parties.
both parties. >> Yeah. most interesting to me is that
>> Yeah. most interesting to me is that
>> Yeah. most interesting to me is that it's a property that could change the
it's a property that could change the
it's a property that could change the the character of that town significantly
the character of that town significantly
the character of that town significantly if it was common or be able to be built
if it was common or be able to be built
if it was common or be able to be built it could create businesses on common all
it could create businesses on common all
it could create businesses on common all all different so it's been an
all different so it's been an
all different so it's been an interesting thing to watch
interesting thing to watch
interesting thing to watch >> so
>> so
>> so >> right and I think and those are the kind
>> right and I think and those are the kind
>> right and I think and those are the kind of cases as I always say to people I'm
of cases as I always say to people I'm
of cases as I always say to people I'm an old uh department of transportation
an old uh department of transportation
an old uh department of transportation attorney from the state and the biggest
attorney from the state and the biggest
attorney from the state and the biggest arguments we often had in some of the
arguments we often had in some of the
arguments we often had in some of the most difficult cases were when you took
most difficult cases were when you took
most difficult cases were when you took a two-foot strip on the front of
a two-foot strip on the front of
a two-foot strip on the front of somebody's property to be able to put a
somebody's property to be able to put a
somebody's property to be able to put a sidewalk in. And property is really
sidewalk in. And property is really
sidewalk in. And property is really personal to people and it should be it's
personal to people and it should be it's
personal to people and it should be it's their property. They own it and they
their property. They own it and they
their property. They own it and they don't want to lose any of it or they
don't want to lose any of it or they
don't want to lose any of it or they don't want to have it used for another
don't want to have it used for another
don't want to have it used for another use. So being able to move on those
use. So being able to move on those
use. So being able to move on those cases quicker is better. It's always
cases quicker is better. It's always
cases quicker is better. It's always fascinating to me because if you go to
fascinating to me because if you go to
fascinating to me because if you go to Hastings A and Keem, there is one yard
Hastings A and Keem, there is one yard
Hastings A and Keem, there is one yard where the sidewalk ends. Yeah. And and
where the sidewalk ends. Yeah. And and
where the sidewalk ends. Yeah. And and then
then
then follow West K.
follow West K.
follow West K. >> Well, no, no, not anymore.
>> Well, no, no, not anymore.
>> Well, no, no, not anymore. >> No. When I was on council in 2018, we
>> No. When I was on council in 2018, we
>> No. When I was on council in 2018, we went out there uh and surveyed the
went out there uh and surveyed the
went out there uh and surveyed the thing. They had to they had to there
thing. They had to they had to there
thing. They had to they had to there were two property owners who were
were two property owners who were
were two property owners who were holding out.
holding out.
holding out. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Um and they were threatening for, you
>> Um and they were threatening for, you
>> Um and they were threatening for, you know, eminent domain and such like that.
know, eminent domain and such like that.
know, eminent domain and such like that. They finally got it done.
They finally got it done.
They finally got it done. >> Okay. We were just noticing that my
>> Okay. We were just noticing that my
>> Okay. We were just noticing that my husband and I as we were walking around
husband and I as we were walking around
husband and I as we were walking around Starlight down to Robins the other
Starlight down to Robins the other
Starlight down to Robins the other night. It just the sidewalk that comes
night. It just the sidewalk that comes
night. It just the sidewalk that comes around Starlight onto Robins just ends.
around Starlight onto Robins just ends.
around Starlight onto Robins just ends. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And then there's no sidewalk.
>> And then there's no sidewalk.
>> And then there's no sidewalk. >> That's because you got a bullheaded
>> That's because you got a bullheaded
>> That's because you got a bullheaded >> property owner. I said, "No, not all the
>> property owner. I said, "No, not all the
>> property owner. I said, "No, not all the way."
way."
way." >> Well, the thing about having a sidewalk
>> Well, the thing about having a sidewalk
>> Well, the thing about having a sidewalk is then you're liable for maintaining it
is then you're liable for maintaining it
is then you're liable for maintaining it in the wintertime.
in the wintertime.
in the wintertime. >> No, you're not.
>> No, you're not.
>> No, you're not. >> Not in the city. Not Not in the city.
>> Not in the city. Not Not in the city.
>> Not in the city. Not Not in the city. No, that's a right away.
No, that's a right away.
No, that's a right away. >> So, who's responsible for clearing the
>> So, who's responsible for clearing the
>> So, who's responsible for clearing the sidewalk? Because I know where we came
sidewalk? Because I know where we came
sidewalk? Because I know where we came from.
from.
from. >> You had to have these shovel
>> You had to have these shovel
>> You had to have these shovel >> mini little plows,
>> mini little plows,
>> mini little plows, >> sidewalk plows that that go throughout
>> sidewalk plows that that go throughout
>> sidewalk plows that that go throughout the city.
the city.
the city. >> They come through.
>> They come through.
>> They come through. >> I've always wanted
>> I've always wanted
>> I've always wanted afterwards.
afterwards.
afterwards. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Wanted to be in one of those.
>> Wanted to be in one of those.
>> Wanted to be in one of those. >> Then the postman complains to to you.
>> Then the postman complains to to you.
>> Then the postman complains to to you. >> Each little thing and they just drive
>> Each little thing and they just drive
>> Each little thing and they just drive along having a good old time.
along having a good old time.
along having a good old time. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So um can we can a little bit of what
So um can we can a little bit of what
So um can we can a little bit of what what's you know initially there was bail
what's you know initially there was bail
what's you know initially there was bail reform and then they struck that down.
reform and then they struck that down.
reform and then they struck that down. What does that meant to you?
What does that meant to you?
What does that meant to you? >> You know it means more people are
>> You know it means more people are
>> You know it means more people are spending time at the house of
spending time at the house of
spending time at the house of corrections
corrections
corrections and rather than being released on bail.
and rather than being released on bail.
and rather than being released on bail. That's the change, the most recent
That's the change, the most recent
That's the change, the most recent change from September of 2025, that the
change from September of 2025, that the
change from September of 2025, that the state has a requirement to show by
state has a requirement to show by
state has a requirement to show by probable cause that somebody's either
probable cause that somebody's either
probable cause that somebody's either dangerous in the community or to
dangerous in the community or to
dangerous in the community or to themselves or that they are likely to
themselves or that they are likely to
themselves or that they are likely to not appear for hearings.
not appear for hearings.
not appear for hearings. >> So, did that put a higher bar on your
>> So, did that put a higher bar on your
>> So, did that put a higher bar on your discretion?
discretion?
discretion? >> Uh, it did. It took away discretion.
>> Uh, it did. It took away discretion.
>> Uh, it did. It took away discretion. >> Took it away. not completely, but it
>> Took it away. not completely, but it
>> Took it away. not completely, but it took away a lot of the discretion that
took away a lot of the discretion that
took away a lot of the discretion that the judges had beforehand. There are
the judges had beforehand. There are
the judges had beforehand. There are still ways to be able to release people
still ways to be able to release people
still ways to be able to release people after if um so it's a presumption that
after if um so it's a presumption that
after if um so it's a presumption that if the state can prove it by probable
if the state can prove it by probable
if the state can prove it by probable cause, then we are supposed to have
cause, then we are supposed to have
cause, then we are supposed to have somebody kept at the House of
somebody kept at the House of
somebody kept at the House of Corrections. And if there are ways that
Corrections. And if there are ways that
Corrections. And if there are ways that that presumption can be rebutted and we
that presumption can be rebutted and we
that presumption can be rebutted and we can release somebody on certain
can release somebody on certain
can release somebody on certain conditions in a county like this, that's
conditions in a county like this, that's
conditions in a county like this, that's it's helpful to have electronic
it's helpful to have electronic
it's helpful to have electronic monitoring, alco sensors, uh all of the
monitoring, alco sensors, uh all of the
monitoring, alco sensors, uh all of the other pre-trial services because those
other pre-trial services because those
other pre-trial services because those are the services that allow judges to be
are the services that allow judges to be
are the services that allow judges to be able to make decisions that there are
able to make decisions that there are
able to make decisions that there are other ways that I could release someone
other ways that I could release someone
other ways that I could release someone and be able to make sure they show up
and be able to make sure they show up
and be able to make sure they show up for the hearings or that they're not
for the hearings or that they're not
for the hearings or that they're not dangerous to someone
dangerous to someone
dangerous to someone >> because technically if you have a
>> because technically if you have a
>> because technically if you have a bracelet on you're still in the custody
bracelet on you're still in the custody
bracelet on you're still in the custody of the jail.
of the jail.
of the jail. >> You are. That's right. And you have to
>> You are. That's right. And you have to
>> You are. That's right. And you have to follow the procedures of the electronic
follow the procedures of the electronic
follow the procedures of the electronic monitoring program. And if you violate
monitoring program. And if you violate
monitoring program. And if you violate any of those rules or procedures, the
any of those rules or procedures, the
any of those rules or procedures, the the House Corrections can bring that
the House Corrections can bring that
the House Corrections can bring that person back in. They don't have to come
person back in. They don't have to come
person back in. They don't have to come to the court to ask to have that person
to the court to ask to have that person
to the court to ask to have that person brought back in.
brought back in.
brought back in. >> So bail reform is you can't use the
>> So bail reform is you can't use the
>> So bail reform is you can't use the bracelet as much as you able to.
bracelet as much as you able to.
bracelet as much as you able to. The change to the bail law last year
The change to the bail law last year
The change to the bail law last year does make it harder for me to have
does make it harder for me to have
does make it harder for me to have people out on the bracelets.
people out on the bracelets.
people out on the bracelets. >> What uh what criteria do you use to
>> What uh what criteria do you use to
>> What uh what criteria do you use to determine whether or not somebody should
determine whether or not somebody should
determine whether or not somebody should be out on the bracelet and if they
be out on the bracelet and if they
be out on the bracelet and if they violate the terms and conditions? How
violate the terms and conditions? How
violate the terms and conditions? How many times can they come back and be uh
many times can they come back and be uh
many times can they come back and be uh granted that um privilege again?
granted that um privilege again?
granted that um privilege again? So I don't think I could answer the last
So I don't think I could answer the last
So I don't think I could answer the last question because it just is a matter of
question because it just is a matter of
question because it just is a matter of what happens with individuals.
what happens with individuals.
what happens with individuals. I think there
I think there
I think there so I couldn't give you a number of times
so I couldn't give you a number of times
so I couldn't give you a number of times that someone would be released on the
that someone would be released on the
that someone would be released on the electronic monitoring more if it was
electronic monitoring more if it was
electronic monitoring more if it was more than once. I think that when you're
more than once. I think that when you're
more than once. I think that when you're looking at whether to release someone
looking at whether to release someone
looking at whether to release someone rather than hold them at the House of
rather than hold them at the House of
rather than hold them at the House of Corrections, you're really looking at
Corrections, you're really looking at
Corrections, you're really looking at things like will they show up for the
things like will they show up for the
things like will they show up for the hearings? Are they dangerous? Is there a
hearings? Are they dangerous? Is there a
hearings? Are they dangerous? Is there a victim involved in the case who is
victim involved in the case who is
victim involved in the case who is afraid or concerned for their safety?
afraid or concerned for their safety?
afraid or concerned for their safety? Are they dangerous to themselves?
Are they dangerous to themselves?
Are they dangerous to themselves? Sometimes criminal defendants are
Sometimes criminal defendants are
Sometimes criminal defendants are dangerous to themselves, not to another
dangerous to themselves, not to another
dangerous to themselves, not to another person. And so when you're looking at
person. And so when you're looking at
person. And so when you're looking at all of those sort of factors, those are
all of those sort of factors, those are
all of those sort of factors, those are the things that you look at to decide
the things that you look at to decide
the things that you look at to decide whether or not somebody needs to be at
whether or not somebody needs to be at
whether or not somebody needs to be at the House of Corrections versus being
the House of Corrections versus being
the House of Corrections versus being back out in the community. I also look
back out in the community. I also look
back out in the community. I also look at things like whether someone has a
at things like whether someone has a
at things like whether someone has a full-time job, whether they have a place
full-time job, whether they have a place
full-time job, whether they have a place to live, whether they have uh an illness
to live, whether they have uh an illness
to live, whether they have uh an illness that's not being properly treated,
that's not being properly treated,
that's not being properly treated, because it's sort of all of those
because it's sort of all of those
because it's sort of all of those factors that come into play. whether
factors that come into play. whether
factors that come into play. whether they have support in the community.
they have support in the community.
they have support in the community. So, it's all of those things that I look
So, it's all of those things that I look
So, it's all of those things that I look at in making a determination as to
at in making a determination as to
at in making a determination as to whether or not somebody should be
whether or not somebody should be
whether or not somebody should be released on bail or whether they should
released on bail or whether they should
released on bail or whether they should be kept at the house of
be kept at the house of
be kept at the house of >> Yeah, we were we had a situation where
>> Yeah, we were we had a situation where
>> Yeah, we were we had a situation where we had an inmate who was on dialysis and
we had an inmate who was on dialysis and
we had an inmate who was on dialysis and >> because there was no Medicare or
>> because there was no Medicare or
>> because there was no Medicare or Medicaid anymore, it was costing us
Medicaid anymore, it was costing us
Medicaid anymore, it was costing us quite a lot of money and and they I
quite a lot of money and and they I
quite a lot of money and and they I think didn't we try to get them out on
think didn't we try to get them out on
think didn't we try to get them out on bail and couldn't? But we might have.
bail and couldn't? But we might have.
bail and couldn't? But we might have. Yeah,
Yeah,
Yeah, >> it could be. There there are different
>> it could be. There there are different
>> it could be. There there are different there are times that people at the House
there are times that people at the House
there are times that people at the House of Corrections will need a surgery or
of Corrections will need a surgery or
of Corrections will need a surgery or something like that. And so that the
something like that. And so that the
something like that. And so that the House of Corrections is very good about
House of Corrections is very good about
House of Corrections is very good about working with the state and then working
working with the state and then working
working with the state and then working with the defense council and filing
with the defense council and filing
with the defense council and filing pleadings with the judges saying,
pleadings with the judges saying,
pleadings with the judges saying, "Here's what our plan is." And sometimes
"Here's what our plan is." And sometimes
"Here's what our plan is." And sometimes we have someone released to go have a
we have someone released to go have a
we have someone released to go have a surgery. They obviously can't have an
surgery. They obviously can't have an
surgery. They obviously can't have an electronic monitoring bracelet on them
electronic monitoring bracelet on them
electronic monitoring bracelet on them while they're being operated on, but it
while they're being operated on, but it
while they're being operated on, but it is something that could be placed on
is something that could be placed on
is something that could be placed on them after they've recovered enough from
them after they've recovered enough from
them after they've recovered enough from surgery, but it allows them to be able
surgery, but it allows them to be able
surgery, but it allows them to be able to go and have a surgery that they need
to go and have a surgery that they need
to go and have a surgery that they need or a treatment they need like to have.
or a treatment they need like to have.
or a treatment they need like to have. This this is an issue that's not going
This this is an issue that's not going
This this is an issue that's not going to go away because what we're seeing is
to go away because what we're seeing is
to go away because what we're seeing is the QD level of the individuals coming
the QD level of the individuals coming
the QD level of the individuals coming into our hotel on the hill um are
I mean they're really struggling you
I mean they're really struggling you know they're they're getting older
know they're they're getting older
know they're they're getting older >> right
>> right
>> right >> and so will all those things mix
>> and so will all those things mix
>> and so will all those things mix together it is a real concern on how we
together it is a real concern on how we
together it is a real concern on how we afford that because Medicaid after 30
afford that because Medicaid after 30
afford that because Medicaid after 30 days goes away
days goes away
days goes away >> and that's then it's on us to carry that
>> and that's then it's on us to carry that
>> and that's then it's on us to carry that load and uh so dialysis or any of that
load and uh so dialysis or any of that
load and uh so dialysis or any of that actually what's interesting to me is um
actually what's interesting to me is um
actually what's interesting to me is um we're talking
we're talking
we're talking where was it oh I was in a meeting
where was it oh I was in a meeting
where was it oh I was in a meeting yesterday we were talking uh about what
yesterday we were talking uh about what
yesterday we were talking uh about what would happen if we utilize some of that
would happen if we utilize some of that
would happen if we utilize some of that rural transformation health fund to put
rural transformation health fund to put
rural transformation health fund to put a dialysis machine at the corrections
a dialysis machine at the corrections
a dialysis machine at the corrections facility
facility
facility with us paying a tech company to do that
with us paying a tech company to do that
with us paying a tech company to do that service for a period of time. I mean,
service for a period of time. I mean,
service for a period of time. I mean, this is what, you know, we're trying to
this is what, you know, we're trying to
this is what, you know, we're trying to figure out how to, you know, how to, you
figure out how to, you know, how to, you
figure out how to, you know, how to, you know, keep our costs at a level that,
know, keep our costs at a level that,
know, keep our costs at a level that, you know, and if somebody somebody was
you know, and if somebody somebody was
you know, and if somebody somebody was going to pay for us to put a machine in
going to pay for us to put a machine in
going to pay for us to put a machine in and then we could have a tech run it and
and then we could have a tech run it and
and then we could have a tech run it and we pay the tech, would that make more
we pay the tech, would that make more
we pay the tech, would that make more sense? I don't know. But it was just
sense? I don't know. But it was just
sense? I don't know. But it was just we're just throwing things around.
we're just throwing things around.
we're just throwing things around. >> I know. What was it about like a couple
>> I know. What was it about like a couple
>> I know. What was it about like a couple months ago we had an inmate come in that
months ago we had an inmate come in that
months ago we had an inmate come in that like I
like I
like I two days after he got brought in he was
two days after he got brought in he was
two days after he got brought in he was supposed to have some major surgery. Um,
supposed to have some major surgery. Um,
supposed to have some major surgery. Um, I mean may maybe that and I it had to
I mean may maybe that and I it had to
I mean may maybe that and I it had to get cancelled but it was something he
get cancelled but it was something he
get cancelled but it was something he needed and it was one of those dilemmas
needed and it was one of those dilemmas
needed and it was one of those dilemmas like oh my god I mean had he not got
like oh my god I mean had he not got
like oh my god I mean had he not got into trouble he would have had this
into trouble he would have had this
into trouble he would have had this surgery and now we might be on the hook
surgery and now we might be on the hook
surgery and now we might be on the hook for this major surgery because it was
for this major surgery because it was
for this major surgery because it was pretty major. I can't remember exactly
pretty major. I can't remember exactly
pretty major. I can't remember exactly what ended up happening, but it
what ended up happening, but it
what ended up happening, but it something happened where
something happened where
something happened where >> whether he got released or whether he
>> whether he got released or whether he
>> whether he got released or whether he had his own personal insurance versus
had his own personal insurance versus
had his own personal insurance versus >> but I don't know. It was one of those
>> but I don't know. It was one of those
>> but I don't know. It was one of those scary moments. One of the things I found
scary moments. One of the things I found
scary moments. One of the things I found interesting yesterday too is that one of
interesting yesterday too is that one of
interesting yesterday too is that one of the individuals I was talking to is the
the individuals I was talking to is the
the individuals I was talking to is the superintendent who he used to be the um
superintendent who he used to be the um
superintendent who he used to be the um it's the superintendent and he's the
it's the superintendent and he's the
it's the superintendent and he's the he's the county administrator now but
he's the county administrator now but
he's the county administrator now but used to be the superintendent DOC in
used to be the superintendent DOC in
used to be the superintendent DOC in Marinat and he was saying that their
Marinat and he was saying that their
Marinat and he was saying that their stay too it used to be that it would be
stay too it used to be that it would be
stay too it used to be that it would be 28 days 27 days is now hitting 60 days
28 days 27 days is now hitting 60 days
28 days 27 days is now hitting 60 days and I don't know if that's a normal for
and I don't know if that's a normal for
and I don't know if that's a normal for us but something I'm going to asked Nick
us but something I'm going to asked Nick
us but something I'm going to asked Nick about is are we seeing a length of stay
about is are we seeing a length of stay
about is are we seeing a length of stay that's going out more than it has in the
that's going out more than it has in the
that's going out more than it has in the past. Have you noticed any trends like
past. Have you noticed any trends like
past. Have you noticed any trends like that?
that?
that? >> Um my guess is that there probably is an
>> Um my guess is that there probably is an
>> Um my guess is that there probably is an increase since the bail law changed last
increase since the bail law changed last
increase since the bail law changed last September because I think it's more
September because I think it's more
September because I think it's more likely that people are staying at the
likely that people are staying at the
likely that people are staying at the House of Corrections until they have
House of Corrections until they have
House of Corrections until they have they're sentenced.
they're sentenced.
they're sentenced. >> So maybe once the stay increase is
>> So maybe once the stay increase is
>> So maybe once the stay increase is appropriate
appropriate
appropriate I don't know. They're they're trying to
I don't know. They're they're trying to
I don't know. They're they're trying to figure it out because it's something
figure it out because it's something
figure it out because it's something they're noticing which is increasing the
they're noticing which is increasing the
they're noticing which is increasing the population for them and they they they
population for them and they they they
population for them and they they they don't they don't know yet what they
don't they don't know yet what they
don't they don't know yet what they they're doing a study to figure out what
they're doing a study to figure out what
they're doing a study to figure out what that what that looks like.
that what that looks like.
that what that looks like. >> Why are they doing the study? I mean,
>> Why are they doing the study? I mean,
>> Why are they doing the study? I mean, >> they're just trying to figure out what
>> they're just trying to figure out what
>> they're just trying to figure out what the turnaround is because they also take
the turnaround is because they also take
the turnaround is because they also take in federal more than we do
in federal more than we do
in federal more than we do >> and they're just trying to balance out
>> and they're just trying to balance out
>> and they're just trying to balance out what it's going to look like in the long
what it's going to look like in the long
what it's going to look like in the long term and does it take away from you with
term and does it take away from you with
term and does it take away from you with the local increase because they've seen
the local increase because they've seen
the local increase because they've seen a significant increase in their their
a significant increase in their their
a significant increase in their their facility of of locals coming in at a
facility of of locals coming in at a
facility of of locals coming in at a higher level. So, that's what they're
higher level. So, that's what they're
higher level. So, that's what they're doing. They're trying to figure out the
doing. They're trying to figure out the
doing. They're trying to figure out the rhythm, see if there's anything there
rhythm, see if there's anything there
rhythm, see if there's anything there that they should be aware of. Is that
that they should be aware of. Is that
that they should be aware of. Is that bail law going to seal tighter court
bail law going to seal tighter court
bail law going to seal tighter court action?
action?
action? Because it seems to me that um
Because it seems to me that um
Because it seems to me that um the way the the way the law was written,
the way the the way the law was written,
the way the the way the law was written, it it really
it it really
it it really didn't really
didn't really
didn't really discuss
discuss
discuss your right to have a hearing for bail,
your right to have a hearing for bail,
your right to have a hearing for bail, right? and and and it it was it was
right? and and and it it was it was
right? and and and it it was it was seemed to be more punitive than it was
seemed to be more punitive than it was
seemed to be more punitive than it was um you know
um you know
um you know sensible. I don't know. Have you heard
sensible. I don't know. Have you heard
sensible. I don't know. Have you heard about anything like that?
about anything like that?
about anything like that? >> So I haven't heard whether there's a
>> So I haven't heard whether there's a
>> So I haven't heard whether there's a challenge to it. I know that I that
challenge to it. I know that I that
challenge to it. I know that I that defense lawyers raise different concerns
defense lawyers raise different concerns
defense lawyers raise different concerns about it during hearings and so when I
about it during hearings and so when I
about it during hearings and so when I hear arguments that the the law itself
hear arguments that the the law itself
hear arguments that the the law itself isn't constitutional during a bail
isn't constitutional during a bail
isn't constitutional during a bail hearing I assume at some point it may be
hearing I assume at some point it may be
hearing I assume at some point it may be challenged but I haven't heard that
challenged but I haven't heard that
challenged but I haven't heard that there's any challenge in place. So when
there's any challenge in place. So when
there's any challenge in place. So when you say punitive
you say punitive
you say punitive uh releasing somebody out on bail, is
uh releasing somebody out on bail, is
uh releasing somebody out on bail, is that punitive to the victim or society?
that punitive to the victim or society?
that punitive to the victim or society? >> Well, taking away taking away the
>> Well, taking away taking away the
>> Well, taking away taking away the discretion of a judge who was a human
discretion of a judge who was a human
discretion of a judge who was a human being who can who was trained in the law
being who can who was trained in the law
being who can who was trained in the law and knows something about human nature.
and knows something about human nature.
and knows something about human nature. Um uh just the fact that you know
Um uh just the fact that you know
Um uh just the fact that you know you or the people making the laws happen
you or the people making the laws happen
you or the people making the laws happen to be tough on crime and makes you
to be tough on crime and makes you
to be tough on crime and makes you >> well without really taking under
>> well without really taking under
>> well without really taking under consideration the individual case. I
consideration the individual case. I
consideration the individual case. I think that people who are in law
think that people who are in law
think that people who are in law profession, the profession of the law,
profession, the profession of the law,
profession, the profession of the law, the not only the courts but the police,
the not only the courts but the police,
the not only the courts but the police, the uh district attorneys, the house of
the uh district attorneys, the house of
the uh district attorneys, the house of correction, they also have a an
correction, they also have a an
correction, they also have a an expertise.
expertise.
expertise. And so as a citizen, I also believe that
And so as a citizen, I also believe that
And so as a citizen, I also believe that what they say or their experience should
what they say or their experience should
what they say or their experience should weigh in on whether or not somebody
weigh in on whether or not somebody
weigh in on whether or not somebody should be released because they have an
should be released because they have an
should be released because they have an issue or because of a human component
issue or because of a human component
issue or because of a human component because society is bearing that cost of
because society is bearing that cost of
because society is bearing that cost of being victims. So I'm not sure it's, you
being victims. So I'm not sure it's, you
being victims. So I'm not sure it's, you know, punitive is not bad. spare the and
know, punitive is not bad. spare the and
know, punitive is not bad. spare the and I know you've heard me say spare the
I know you've heard me say spare the
I know you've heard me say spare the broad spoil the child and I do not
broad spoil the child and I do not
broad spoil the child and I do not have a problem with that. I do think the
have a problem with that. I do think the
have a problem with that. I do think the laws are in place to protect society
laws are in place to protect society
laws are in place to protect society from repeat offenders. And some people
from repeat offenders. And some people
from repeat offenders. And some people want to say, well, it wasn't really a
want to say, well, it wasn't really a
want to say, well, it wasn't really a crime against a person, but we all bear
crime against a person, but we all bear
crime against a person, but we all bear the cost of lack of security, emotional,
the cost of lack of security, emotional,
the cost of lack of security, emotional, mental, physical, when people do not
mental, physical, when people do not
mental, physical, when people do not have to have a consequence.
have to have a consequence.
have to have a consequence. >> And this law is saying that the
>> And this law is saying that the
>> And this law is saying that the legislators know more about that than
legislators know more about that than
legislators know more about that than the judges and the prosecutors on the
the judges and the prosecutors on the
the judges and the prosecutors on the ground.
ground.
ground. >> Well, sometimes that's true. That's why
>> Well, sometimes that's true. That's why
>> Well, sometimes that's true. That's why we vote for them because they are going
we vote for them because they are going
we vote for them because they are going to put in place the things that we
to put in place the things that we
to put in place the things that we believe are important
>> and thus the debate.
>> and thus the debate. >> So we're stuck in the middle.
>> So we're stuck in the middle.
>> So we're stuck in the middle. >> Exactly. So I do have I do have a
>> Exactly. So I do have I do have a
>> Exactly. So I do have I do have a question because I have come to as
question because I have come to as
question because I have come to as you've seen a couple of journal art
you've seen a couple of journal art
you've seen a couple of journal art graduations.
graduations.
graduations. >> Yes. So, I would like to know more about
>> Yes. So, I would like to know more about
>> Yes. So, I would like to know more about how you see that program um in general,
how you see that program um in general,
how you see that program um in general, why somebody is recommended to go to
why somebody is recommended to go to
why somebody is recommended to go to drug court versus uh incarceration. How
drug court versus uh incarceration. How
drug court versus uh incarceration. How many times can they go through drug
many times can they go through drug
many times can they go through drug court? Um not successful, not
court? Um not successful, not
court? Um not successful, not successful, but you they still come back
successful, but you they still come back
successful, but you they still come back and are given that privilege. So, can
and are given that privilege. So, can
and are given that privilege. So, can you talk to me a little bit about that?
you talk to me a little bit about that?
you talk to me a little bit about that? Because I know drug court isn't easy,
Because I know drug court isn't easy,
Because I know drug court isn't easy, but do people use it to
but do people use it to
but do people use it to change their lives or to avoid
change their lives or to avoid
change their lives or to avoid incarceration?
incarceration?
incarceration? >> So, the those are excellent questions. I
>> So, the those are excellent questions. I
>> So, the those are excellent questions. I would say first of all, in order for
would say first of all, in order for
would say first of all, in order for someone to come into drug court, they
someone to come into drug court, they
someone to come into drug court, they have to agree to come into drug court.
have to agree to come into drug court.
have to agree to come into drug court. So, I can't sentence someone to drug
So, I can't sentence someone to drug
So, I can't sentence someone to drug court unless they agree to it. And the
court unless they agree to it. And the
court unless they agree to it. And the reason for that is because it's a
reason for that is because it's a
reason for that is because it's a contract. They have to agree that
contract. They have to agree that
contract. They have to agree that they're going to come in and they're
they're going to come in and they're
they're going to come in and they're going to follow all of the rules of the
going to follow all of the rules of the
going to follow all of the rules of the treatment court. And so once they come
treatment court. And so once they come
treatment court. And so once they come in during, if you ever were in my
in during, if you ever were in my
in during, if you ever were in my courtroom during a treatment court plea,
courtroom during a treatment court plea,
courtroom during a treatment court plea, when they plead into treatment court, I
when they plead into treatment court, I
when they plead into treatment court, I have a long conversation with them and
have a long conversation with them and
have a long conversation with them and they've already gone through the process
they've already gone through the process
they've already gone through the process of meeting with the treatment court team
of meeting with the treatment court team
of meeting with the treatment court team as well. But I have a long conversation
as well. But I have a long conversation
as well. But I have a long conversation with them about the fact that this isn't
with them about the fact that this isn't
with them about the fact that this isn't a get out of jail free card. That they
a get out of jail free card. That they
a get out of jail free card. That they are entering a program that has a lot of
are entering a program that has a lot of
are entering a program that has a lot of checks and balances and they are going
checks and balances and they are going
checks and balances and they are going to have to comply with those rules and
to have to comply with those rules and
to have to comply with those rules and that there are graduated sanctions and
that there are graduated sanctions and
that there are graduated sanctions and if they don't comply with the rules,
if they don't comply with the rules,
if they don't comply with the rules, they're going to find themselves
they're going to find themselves
they're going to find themselves getting sanctioned and that those
getting sanctioned and that those
getting sanctioned and that those sanctions can include time at the House
sanctions can include time at the House
sanctions can include time at the House of Corrections without them being able
of Corrections without them being able
of Corrections without them being able to see it. It's one of the rights that
to see it. It's one of the rights that
to see it. It's one of the rights that they give away during the time period
they give away during the time period
they give away during the time period that they're in treatment court is they
that they're in treatment court is they
that they're in treatment court is they don't aren't allowed to have an a bail
don't aren't allowed to have an a bail
don't aren't allowed to have an a bail hearing in accordance with the statute.
hearing in accordance with the statute.
hearing in accordance with the statute. They have to wait until the next time we
They have to wait until the next time we
They have to wait until the next time we have treatment court. So if that's seven
have treatment court. So if that's seven
have treatment court. So if that's seven days, they sit at the House of
days, they sit at the House of
days, they sit at the House of Corrections for seven days instead of
Corrections for seven days instead of
Corrections for seven days instead of being able to have a bail hearing in 24
being able to have a bail hearing in 24
being able to have a bail hearing in 24 or 48 hours.
or 48 hours.
or 48 hours. And so if they agree to come into that
And so if they agree to come into that
And so if they agree to come into that and bleed into it, I would say there are
and bleed into it, I would say there are
and bleed into it, I would say there are some people who agree to treatment court
some people who agree to treatment court
some people who agree to treatment court because they think it's going to be a
because they think it's going to be a
because they think it's going to be a lot easier than going to the prison or
lot easier than going to the prison or
lot easier than going to the prison or to the house of corrections for a
to the house of corrections for a
to the house of corrections for a serious period of time. I think other
serious period of time. I think other
serious period of time. I think other people really want a change in their
people really want a change in their
people really want a change in their lives. And for the people who think that
lives. And for the people who think that
lives. And for the people who think that this is going to be an easy course, it's
this is going to be an easy course, it's
this is going to be an easy course, it's not an easy course. And that's one of
not an easy course. And that's one of
not an easy course. And that's one of the reasons why they get a lot of
the reasons why they get a lot of
the reasons why they get a lot of treatment during it. It's part of the
treatment during it. It's part of the
treatment during it. It's part of the program. It is treatment court. And they
program. It is treatment court. And they
program. It is treatment court. And they change their attitude
change their attitude
change their attitude or they face termination because if they
or they face termination because if they
or they face termination because if they don't follow the rules in treatment
don't follow the rules in treatment
don't follow the rules in treatment court, there is a point where they can
court, there is a point where they can
court, there is a point where they can face being terminated from treatment
face being terminated from treatment
face being terminated from treatment court.
court.
court. >> What is that point?
>> What is that point?
>> What is that point? >> It all depends. It's different for
>> It all depends. It's different for
>> It all depends. It's different for different people. It doesn't. Sometimes
different people. It doesn't. Sometimes
different people. It doesn't. Sometimes it's because people have repeatedly left
it's because people have repeatedly left
it's because people have repeatedly left treatment. Say we've sent them to
treatment. Say we've sent them to
treatment. Say we've sent them to residential treatment and they've
residential treatment and they've
residential treatment and they've absconded from residential treatment.
absconded from residential treatment.
absconded from residential treatment. Other times it's because somebody may
Other times it's because somebody may
Other times it's because somebody may have committed another crime while they
have committed another crime while they
have committed another crime while they were part of the treatment court. and if
were part of the treatment court. and if
were part of the treatment court. and if they've committed another crime,
they've committed another crime,
they've committed another crime, particularly a dangerous crime, or they
particularly a dangerous crime, or they
particularly a dangerous crime, or they show at all that they're dangerous to
show at all that they're dangerous to
show at all that they're dangerous to the community, those are the kind of
the community, those are the kind of
the community, those are the kind of criteria we look at as to why somebody
criteria we look at as to why somebody
criteria we look at as to why somebody might not be the right candidate for
might not be the right candidate for
might not be the right candidate for treatment court at that point, even
treatment court at that point, even
treatment court at that point, even though they're in it. And it doesn't to
though they're in it. And it doesn't to
though they're in it. And it doesn't to your other question, Commissioner, where
your other question, Commissioner, where
your other question, Commissioner, where you asked how many times somebody could
you asked how many times somebody could
you asked how many times somebody could go through treatment court. We have two
go through treatment court. We have two
go through treatment court. We have two different groups of people that go
different groups of people that go
different groups of people that go through treatment court more than once.
through treatment court more than once.
through treatment court more than once. One person might be the person that gets
One person might be the person that gets
One person might be the person that gets through treatment court, successfully
through treatment court, successfully
through treatment court, successfully completes it, and then years later has a
completes it, and then years later has a
completes it, and then years later has a recurrence, and finds themselves back in
recurrence, and finds themselves back in
recurrence, and finds themselves back in trouble with the law, and they may come
trouble with the law, and they may come
trouble with the law, and they may come through treatment court a second time
through treatment court a second time
through treatment court a second time and go through the process again. We
and go through the process again. We
and go through the process again. We have other people who are in treatment
have other people who are in treatment
have other people who are in treatment court who might be terminated because,
court who might be terminated because,
court who might be terminated because, say, they committed a crime and that's
say, they committed a crime and that's
say, they committed a crime and that's dangerous. And part of that termination
dangerous. And part of that termination
dangerous. And part of that termination process may allow them to go and serve
process may allow them to go and serve
process may allow them to go and serve time either at the House of Corrections
time either at the House of Corrections
time either at the House of Corrections or at the prison and then come back into
or at the prison and then come back into
or at the prison and then come back into treatment court. So those are the ways
treatment court. So those are the ways
treatment court. So those are the ways that I often see people doing treatment
that I often see people doing treatment
that I often see people doing treatment court more than once.
court more than once.
court more than once. >> Okay, two more questions. Go ahead.
>> Okay, two more questions. Go ahead.
>> Okay, two more questions. Go ahead. >> Um, dangerous crime versus crime. Crime
>> Um, dangerous crime versus crime. Crime
>> Um, dangerous crime versus crime. Crime is crime. So, we don't hold the law if
is crime. So, we don't hold the law if
is crime. So, we don't hold the law if it's not a dangerous crime, but it's
it's not a dangerous crime, but it's
it's not a dangerous crime, but it's still a crime.
still a crime.
still a crime. >> It all depends what the crime is. So, I
>> It all depends what the crime is. So, I
>> It all depends what the crime is. So, I can't give you a specific example of,
can't give you a specific example of,
can't give you a specific example of, but I I can tell you what. So, there are
but I I can tell you what. So, there are
but I I can tell you what. So, there are times when somebody may have, let's say,
times when somebody may have, let's say,
times when somebody may have, let's say, they are not allowed to be at Walmart
they are not allowed to be at Walmart
they are not allowed to be at Walmart because in the past they shoplifted at
because in the past they shoplifted at
because in the past they shoplifted at Walmart and so they're found sitting in
Walmart and so they're found sitting in
Walmart and so they're found sitting in the front of the Walmart building near
the front of the Walmart building near
the front of the Walmart building near the door. They could be arrested for
the door. They could be arrested for
the door. They could be arrested for that because there's a no trespass order
that because there's a no trespass order
that because there's a no trespass order for them. That is one level of crime.
for them. That is one level of crime.
for them. That is one level of crime. The other level of crime could be, for
The other level of crime could be, for
The other level of crime could be, for example, they don't have a driver's
example, they don't have a driver's
example, they don't have a driver's license. They're not supposed to be
license. They're not supposed to be
license. They're not supposed to be driving. They drove and they caused an
driving. They drove and they caused an
driving. They drove and they caused an automobile accident which injured
automobile accident which injured
automobile accident which injured themselves and others. That's another
themselves and others. That's another
themselves and others. That's another level of crime. So when we are looking
level of crime. So when we are looking
level of crime. So when we are looking at different types of crimes or
at different types of crimes or
at different types of crimes or different levels of crimes, we're
different levels of crimes, we're
different levels of crimes, we're looking at one was much more dangerous
looking at one was much more dangerous
looking at one was much more dangerous to the community and to the individual
to the community and to the individual
to the community and to the individual than the individual sitting outside of
than the individual sitting outside of
than the individual sitting outside of Walmart was. Does that mean that
Walmart was. Does that mean that
Walmart was. Does that mean that individual sitting outside of Walmart
individual sitting outside of Walmart
individual sitting outside of Walmart couldn't have escalated if that person
couldn't have escalated if that person
couldn't have escalated if that person was allowed to sit there for a period of
was allowed to sit there for a period of
was allowed to sit there for a period of time? Sure. But those are that would be
time? Sure. But those are that would be
time? Sure. But those are that would be an example of the types of crimes that
an example of the types of crimes that
an example of the types of crimes that we would look at as a treatment for team
we would look at as a treatment for team
we would look at as a treatment for team to determine whether or not somebody
to determine whether or not somebody
to determine whether or not somebody in the treatment port was in a place
in the treatment port was in a place
in the treatment port was in a place where they were being dangerous to the
where they were being dangerous to the
where they were being dangerous to the community.
community.
community. >> So the key word for me is crime. It is a
>> So the key word for me is crime. It is a
>> So the key word for me is crime. It is a crime and it's not being punished
crime and it's not being punished
crime and it's not being punished because of this level. So that's an
because of this level. So that's an
because of this level. So that's an issue for me. The other
issue for me. The other
issue for me. The other >> I just want to interrupt you for a
>> I just want to interrupt you for a
>> I just want to interrupt you for a minute. It doesn't mean they're not
minute. It doesn't mean they're not
minute. It doesn't mean they're not being punished. It just means they might
being punished. It just means they might
being punished. It just means they might not be receiving the same punishment.
not be receiving the same punishment.
not be receiving the same punishment. Your question originally to me was what
Your question originally to me was what
Your question originally to me was what the difference is with respect to
the difference is with respect to
the difference is with respect to somebody being removed from treatment
somebody being removed from treatment
somebody being removed from treatment court.
court.
court. >> They aren't being punished necessarily
>> They aren't being punished necessarily
>> They aren't being punished necessarily the same.
the same.
the same. >> So they wouldn't necessarily both be
>> So they wouldn't necessarily both be
>> So they wouldn't necessarily both be removed from treatment court, but it
removed from treatment court, but it
removed from treatment court, but it doesn't mean that the person who
doesn't mean that the person who
doesn't mean that the person who violated the no trespass order isn't
violated the no trespass order isn't
violated the no trespass order isn't being punished. It just means they
being punished. It just means they
being punished. It just means they aren't being removed from treatment.
aren't being removed from treatment.
aren't being removed from treatment. >> Thank you. Um, is there ever a time
>> Thank you. Um, is there ever a time
>> Thank you. Um, is there ever a time where uh it is not recommended that
where uh it is not recommended that
where uh it is not recommended that somebody go to treatment court?
somebody go to treatment court?
somebody go to treatment court? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And do you put them in treatment court
>> And do you put them in treatment court
>> And do you put them in treatment court or incarcerate them if they're
or incarcerate them if they're
or incarcerate them if they're recommended not to go?
recommended not to go?
recommended not to go? >> So, it all depends how the process
>> So, it all depends how the process
>> So, it all depends how the process works. There's a it when somebody agrees
works. There's a it when somebody agrees
works. There's a it when somebody agrees to consider treatment court as an
to consider treatment court as an
to consider treatment court as an option, they have to go through a
option, they have to go through a
option, they have to go through a process with the county attorney's
process with the county attorney's
process with the county attorney's office with probation and with the
office with probation and with the
office with probation and with the public defender's office as and they
public defender's office as and they
public defender's office as and they have to have they have discussions. They
have to have they have discussions. They
have to have they have discussions. They the county attorney's office and
the county attorney's office and
the county attorney's office and probation in particular will review the
probation in particular will review the
probation in particular will review the criminal record of the individual. They
criminal record of the individual. They
criminal record of the individual. They all make recommendations to the
all make recommendations to the
all make recommendations to the treatment court team as to whether or
treatment court team as to whether or
treatment court team as to whether or not that person should be part of
not that person should be part of
not that person should be part of treatment court. And there are times
treatment court. And there are times
treatment court. And there are times when the county attorney's office will
when the county attorney's office will
when the county attorney's office will say, "We don't think this person is the
say, "We don't think this person is the
say, "We don't think this person is the right candidate for treatment court." At
right candidate for treatment court." At
right candidate for treatment court." At that point, some candidates for
that point, some candidates for
that point, some candidates for treatment court say, "All right, I'm not
treatment court say, "All right, I'm not
treatment court say, "All right, I'm not going any further. We'll just reach a
going any further. We'll just reach a
going any further. We'll just reach a plea." Others say, "I want to go forward
plea." Others say, "I want to go forward
plea." Others say, "I want to go forward and do what's called a naked plea in
and do what's called a naked plea in
and do what's called a naked plea in front of me," which means they come in,
front of me," which means they come in,
front of me," which means they come in, there's no agreed to terms, but they're
there's no agreed to terms, but they're
there's no agreed to terms, but they're coming in and asking me to put them in
coming in and asking me to put them in
coming in and asking me to put them in treatment court. And there are times
treatment court. And there are times
treatment court. And there are times that I'm trying to think about whether I
that I'm trying to think about whether I
that I'm trying to think about whether I I don't know that I have ever put anyone
I don't know that I have ever put anyone
I don't know that I have ever put anyone into treatment court over the county
into treatment court over the county
into treatment court over the county attorney's objection. I don't think I
attorney's objection. I don't think I
attorney's objection. I don't think I have, but I do have participants in
have, but I do have participants in
have, but I do have participants in treatment court who the county
treatment court who the county
treatment court who the county attorney's office did not support
attorney's office did not support
attorney's office did not support originally being put into treatment
originally being put into treatment
originally being put into treatment court.
court.
court. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. So my last just comment would be that I
So my last just comment would be that I
So my last just comment would be that I had the opportunity to sit in your court
had the opportunity to sit in your court
had the opportunity to sit in your court at one point and watch um we have two
at one point and watch um we have two
at one point and watch um we have two individuals, one that holds a storefront
individuals, one that holds a storefront
individuals, one that holds a storefront down here and another one who's being
down here and another one who's being
down here and another one who's being sued
sued
sued attorney and what I watched was and that
attorney and what I watched was and that
attorney and what I watched was and that you were very fair but you held people
you were very fair but you held people
you were very fair but you held people accountable for how they they they
accountable for how they they they
accountable for how they they they walked through the the court hearing And
walked through the the court hearing And
walked through the the court hearing And uh it was it really interesting because
uh it was it really interesting because
uh it was it really interesting because it's a very heated uh situation and uh
it's a very heated uh situation and uh
it's a very heated uh situation and uh it's always interesting when someone one
it's always interesting when someone one
it's always interesting when someone one refer represents themselves. I think
refer represents themselves. I think
refer represents themselves. I think that's a very dangerous thing in my role
that's a very dangerous thing in my role
that's a very dangerous thing in my role but um it's challenging in the court
but um it's challenging in the court
but um it's challenging in the court system too. I I understand why people do
system too. I I understand why people do
system too. I I understand why people do it because it's very expensive to hire
it because it's very expensive to hire
it because it's very expensive to hire attorneys but it's hard. there are a lot
attorneys but it's hard. there are a lot
attorneys but it's hard. there are a lot of rules in place and so to we try to be
of rules in place and so to we try to be
of rules in place and so to we try to be as neutral as you can be and as fair
as neutral as you can be and as fair
as neutral as you can be and as fair with people being able to do it because
with people being able to do it because
with people being able to do it because I recognize not everyone can afford to
I recognize not everyone can afford to
I recognize not everyone can afford to have an attorney there with them but at
have an attorney there with them but at
have an attorney there with them but at the same time the process has to move
the same time the process has to move
the same time the process has to move and it's got to move
and it's got to move
and it's got to move in under the rules everybody's got to be
in under the rules everybody's got to be
in under the rules everybody's got to be treated fairly
treated fairly
treated fairly >> I just I thought it was an interesting
>> I just I thought it was an interesting
>> I just I thought it was an interesting answer because there were some moments
answer because there were some moments
answer because there were some moments where you had to guide the individual
where you had to guide the individual
where you had to guide the individual because he was pushing too hard and he
because he was pushing too hard and he
because he was pushing too hard and he doesn't he doesn't know it and I I have
doesn't he doesn't know it and I I have
doesn't he doesn't know it and I I have to believe that he's representing
to believe that he's representing
to believe that he's representing himself because he chooses to not
himself because he chooses to not
himself because he chooses to not because of him but that's just me put
because of him but that's just me put
because of him but that's just me put away. So I just don't say that.
away. So I just don't say that.
away. So I just don't say that. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate that. >> Well I want to thank you for coming
>> Well I want to thank you for coming
>> Well I want to thank you for coming down.
down.
down. I don't believe that we've we've have
I don't believe that we've we've have
I don't believe that we've we've have been visited um by a judge before
been visited um by a judge before
been visited um by a judge before and and thank you for that.
and and thank you for that.
and and thank you for that. >> And you said that you're you're trying
>> And you said that you're you're trying
>> And you said that you're you're trying to make your rounds.
to make your rounds.
to make your rounds. >> I am. Yes. To meet different um folks at
>> I am. Yes. To meet different um folks at
>> I am. Yes. To meet different um folks at uh headed to the police department.
uh headed to the police department.
uh headed to the police department. >> Sir, do you live in the community or are
>> Sir, do you live in the community or are
>> Sir, do you live in the community or are you still
you still
you still >> I live in Milford.
>> I live in Milford.
>> I live in Milford. >> In Milford is well that's that's a not
>> In Milford is well that's that's a not
>> In Milford is well that's that's a not too long of a community.
too long of a community.
too long of a community. >> No, it is not. And I had a son who went
>> No, it is not. And I had a son who went
>> No, it is not. And I had a son who went to Keen State years ago. So, I've spent
to Keen State years ago. So, I've spent
to Keen State years ago. So, I've spent a fair amount of time in keep
a fair amount of time in keep
a fair amount of time in keep >> Did you have a question? Yeah, I
>> Did you have a question? Yeah, I
>> Did you have a question? Yeah, I appreciate you coming out sharing. Uh,
appreciate you coming out sharing. Uh,
appreciate you coming out sharing. Uh, just in general, is there anything that
just in general, is there anything that
just in general, is there anything that we can do to help
we can do to help
we can do to help the system along?
the system along?
the system along? >> Can you find housing?
>> Can you find housing?
>> Can you find housing? >> And I last night also
>> And I last night also
>> And I last night also >> I say that
>> I say that
>> I say that >> an issue for everybody.
>> an issue for everybody.
>> an issue for everybody. >> It is and I know that this is a
>> It is and I know that this is a
>> It is and I know that this is a community that's very focused on it. I
community that's very focused on it. I
community that's very focused on it. I know there have been many conversations
know there have been many conversations
know there have been many conversations about it. It's just a challenge in the
about it. It's just a challenge in the
about it. It's just a challenge in the state and it's and the the shelters out
state and it's and the the shelters out
state and it's and the the shelters out here are so beneficial to especially our
here are so beneficial to especially our
here are so beneficial to especially our treatment board participants, but other
treatment board participants, but other
treatment board participants, but other individuals who come in front of me who
individuals who come in front of me who
individuals who come in front of me who just I mean I have defendants that are
just I mean I have defendants that are
just I mean I have defendants that are living in their cars in January and they
living in their cars in January and they
living in their cars in January and they at least they have a car to live in. But
at least they have a car to live in. But
at least they have a car to live in. But all of that as we know is just a
all of that as we know is just a
all of that as we know is just a terrible thing. And I I say it jokingly
terrible thing. And I I say it jokingly
terrible thing. And I I say it jokingly but not. It's it is a challenge. It's a
but not. It's it is a challenge. It's a
but not. It's it is a challenge. It's a challenge throughout the state. And I
challenge throughout the state. And I
challenge throughout the state. And I know that you're this community in
know that you're this community in
know that you're this community in particular is focused on that. It's
particular is focused on that. It's
particular is focused on that. It's >> the other thing
>> the other thing
>> the other thing the country fans play 50/50 as far as
the country fans play 50/50 as far as
the country fans play 50/50 as far as politics go, issues go. So that the
politics go, issues go. So that the
politics go, issues go. So that the debate as to whether or not the drug
debate as to whether or not the drug
debate as to whether or not the drug treatment is really the best use of the
treatment is really the best use of the
treatment is really the best use of the limited funds that's
limited funds that's
limited funds that's I find that to be a good discussion as
I find that to be a good discussion as
I find that to be a good discussion as to the pros and cons and uh yeah it
to the pros and cons and uh yeah it
to the pros and cons and uh yeah it would be nice to continue the discussion
would be nice to continue the discussion
would be nice to continue the discussion um maybe in a different format but yes
um maybe in a different format but yes
um maybe in a different format but yes >> agreed agreed I
>> agreed agreed I
>> agreed agreed I I think treatment courts uh I don't know
I think treatment courts uh I don't know
I think treatment courts uh I don't know what our statistics are here in Cheshire
what our statistics are here in Cheshire
what our statistics are here in Cheshire County. I know Allison will know. We've
County. I know Allison will know. We've
County. I know Allison will know. We've we have um
we have um
we have um we are working right now with a couple
we are working right now with a couple
we are working right now with a couple of different individuals who are helping
of different individuals who are helping
of different individuals who are helping us evaluate how effective our treatment
us evaluate how effective our treatment
us evaluate how effective our treatment court is and how trauma responsive it
court is and how trauma responsive it
court is and how trauma responsive it is. And and part of what we're looking
is. And and part of what we're looking
is. And and part of what we're looking at is one of the the danger points for
at is one of the the danger points for
at is one of the the danger points for our participants is graduation because
our participants is graduation because
our participants is graduation because when they graduate they are then most of
when they graduate they are then most of
when they graduate they are then most of them actually almost all of them are
them actually almost all of them are
them actually almost all of them are still on probation. So there is a check
still on probation. So there is a check
still on probation. So there is a check there and they still see our case
there and they still see our case
there and they still see our case manager and they have treatment
manager and they have treatment
manager and they have treatment available to them but it's their choice.
available to them but it's their choice.
available to them but it's their choice. And so part of what we've been talking
And so part of what we've been talking
And so part of what we've been talking about is having
about is having
about is having recognizing that graduation is a
recognizing that graduation is a
recognizing that graduation is a dangerous time period is we've been
dangerous time period is we've been
dangerous time period is we've been looking at creating a continuing care
looking at creating a continuing care
looking at creating a continuing care spectrum that goes for about another
spectrum that goes for about another
spectrum that goes for about another year. Not with a lot more services. It
year. Not with a lot more services. It
year. Not with a lot more services. It essentially would use the services that
essentially would use the services that
essentially would use the services that are available to them now, but it would
are available to them now, but it would
are available to them now, but it would require them to take advantage of those
require them to take advantage of those
require them to take advantage of those services because
services because
services because going from having two UAS a week and
going from having two UAS a week and
going from having two UAS a week and having all of these mandatory meetings
having all of these mandatory meetings
having all of these mandatory meetings to suddenly being free in the community,
to suddenly being free in the community,
to suddenly being free in the community, which is a community where they were
which is a community where they were
which is a community where they were using before is
using before is
using before is a challenge that we think could use a
a challenge that we think could use a
a challenge that we think could use a better transition. So, we don't think
better transition. So, we don't think
better transition. So, we don't think it'll cost more or anything, but
it'll cost more or anything, but
it'll cost more or anything, but >> it's I've seen some of the the treatment
>> it's I've seen some of the the treatment
>> it's I've seen some of the the treatment hearings and what have you and it is
hearings and what have you and it is
hearings and what have you and it is emphasized that help is available
emphasized that help is available
emphasized that help is available >> and to try and maintain it. I can
>> and to try and maintain it. I can
>> and to try and maintain it. I can understand
understand
understand as you say that once you're free,
as you say that once you're free,
as you say that once you're free, it could be difficult. Well, it's such a
it could be difficult. Well, it's such a
it could be difficult. Well, it's such a highly structured program that all of a
highly structured program that all of a
highly structured program that all of a sudden it's done and yes, you do have
sudden it's done and yes, you do have
sudden it's done and yes, you do have the opportunity to have some level of
the opportunity to have some level of
the opportunity to have some level of support, but it's it's a huge change. I
support, but it's it's a huge change. I
support, but it's it's a huge change. I don't know how many times
don't know how many times
don't know how many times we've had this discussion through the
we've had this discussion through the
we've had this discussion through the years where I've had individuals in the
years where I've had individuals in the
years where I've had individuals in the program and I've had people when we've
program and I've had people when we've
program and I've had people when we've interviewed inmates say it's, you know,
interviewed inmates say it's, you know,
interviewed inmates say it's, you know, I chose to be in here, right,
I chose to be in here, right,
I chose to be in here, right, >> because it's easier. I took my time. I
>> because it's easier. I took my time. I
>> because it's easier. I took my time. I don't have to worry about everything on
don't have to worry about everything on
don't have to worry about everything on the outside world. I worry about it
the outside world. I worry about it
the outside world. I worry about it somehow, but I don't have to be in it.
somehow, but I don't have to be in it.
somehow, but I don't have to be in it. If I'm in drug court, there's this,
If I'm in drug court, there's this,
If I'm in drug court, there's this, there's this, there's this this, and I
there's this, there's this this, and I
there's this, there's this this, and I have to deal with life, you know, where
have to deal with life, you know, where
have to deal with life, you know, where it's at too at the same time because
it's at too at the same time because
it's at too at the same time because it's right in my face. And I have to
it's right in my face. And I have to
it's right in my face. And I have to worry about where I'm going to get my
worry about where I'm going to get my
worry about where I'm going to get my meals and everything else. But if I'm in
meals and everything else. But if I'm in
meals and everything else. But if I'm in the correction, I can do my time, get my
the correction, I can do my time, get my
the correction, I can do my time, get my hots, sleep, get up, do my time, they
hots, sleep, get up, do my time, they
hots, sleep, get up, do my time, they open the door, I'm out, and I Yeah. So,
open the door, I'm out, and I Yeah. So,
open the door, I'm out, and I Yeah. So, it is it is an interesting
it is it is an interesting
it is it is an interesting um conversation because I've heard it
um conversation because I've heard it
um conversation because I've heard it multiple times that is probably one of
multiple times that is probably one of
multiple times that is probably one of the most intense programs and it's why
the most intense programs and it's why
the most intense programs and it's why sometimes people have to have these
sometimes people have to have these
sometimes people have to have these checks and have to end up going in the
checks and have to end up going in the
checks and have to end up going in the back into the correction facility for a
back into the correction facility for a
back into the correction facility for a period of time or whatever because it's
period of time or whatever because it's
period of time or whatever because it's too intense for them or the tent is
too intense for them or the tent is
too intense for them or the tent is there. And
there. And
there. And you know, you and what I've learned
you know, you and what I've learned
you know, you and what I've learned about substance abuse overall is that
about substance abuse overall is that
about substance abuse overall is that one, when they get caught, it's not the
one, when they get caught, it's not the
one, when they get caught, it's not the first time that they done something.
first time that they done something.
first time that they done something. It's the hundth time. All right? This is
It's the hundth time. All right? This is
It's the hundth time. All right? This is just one time they got caught. And the
just one time they got caught. And the
just one time they got caught. And the second thing would be that they could
second thing would be that they could
second thing would be that they could fail multiple times before they get it.
fail multiple times before they get it.
fail multiple times before they get it. And they could fail multiple times and
And they could fail multiple times and
And they could fail multiple times and never get it. And it's it is what it is.
never get it. And it's it is what it is.
never get it. And it's it is what it is. But
But
But >> it's a disease. It's a very challenging
>> it's a disease. It's a very challenging
>> it's a disease. It's a very challenging disease. And many of the people either
disease. And many of the people either
disease. And many of the people either began their substance use because they
began their substance use because they
began their substance use because they were already doing things that didn't
were already doing things that didn't
were already doing things that didn't comply with the law or they have
comply with the law or they have
comply with the law or they have substance use and then they started
substance use and then they started
substance use and then they started breaking the law. And so as a result,
breaking the law. And so as a result,
breaking the law. And so as a result, you have this criminogenic thinking that
you have this criminogenic thinking that
you have this criminogenic thinking that surrounds it too. So you're not it's not
surrounds it too. So you're not it's not
surrounds it too. So you're not it's not like you're just dealing with the
like you're just dealing with the
like you're just dealing with the substance use issue alone. You're
substance use issue alone. You're
substance use issue alone. You're dealing with everything. And and and we
dealing with everything. And and and we
dealing with everything. And and and we have treatment court participants who
have treatment court participants who
have treatment court participants who run the gamut of age and a lot of them
run the gamut of age and a lot of them
run the gamut of age and a lot of them are facing having parents who are really
are facing having parents who are really
are facing having parents who are really really ill or children who are ill and
really ill or children who are ill and
really ill or children who are ill and or they'll lose a grandparent or a close
or they'll lose a grandparent or a close
or they'll lose a grandparent or a close friend and they'll often say to us
friend and they'll often say to us
friend and they'll often say to us during treatment card sessions, "This is
during treatment card sessions, "This is
during treatment card sessions, "This is the first time I've ever dealt with
the first time I've ever dealt with
the first time I've ever dealt with anything like this sober." And the
anything like this sober." And the
anything like this sober." And the reality of dealing with grief
reality of dealing with grief
reality of dealing with grief sober is a shocking reality. And so it's
sober is a shocking reality. And so it's
sober is a shocking reality. And so it's one of the reasons why I think if we
one of the reasons why I think if we
one of the reasons why I think if we just build a little more around them in
just build a little more around them in
just build a little more around them in the end to help support them. I think we
the end to help support them. I think we
the end to help support them. I think we might see people transition out a little
might see people transition out a little
might see people transition out a little better, but
better, but
better, but we can't guarantee the outcomes.
we can't guarantee the outcomes.
we can't guarantee the outcomes. >> One last thing, and it's difficult to to
>> One last thing, and it's difficult to to
>> One last thing, and it's difficult to to judge what the outcome really is.
judge what the outcome really is.
judge what the outcome really is. You could look at numbers and say, "Oh,
You could look at numbers and say, "Oh,
You could look at numbers and say, "Oh, it's a total failure. Look at this. We
it's a total failure. Look at this. We
it's a total failure. Look at this. We have to teach or whatever." So, it could
have to teach or whatever." So, it could
have to teach or whatever." So, it could be argued either way. Uh the only thing
be argued either way. Uh the only thing
be argued either way. Uh the only thing I've heard is that there's a limited
I've heard is that there's a limited
I've heard is that there's a limited number of people who can avail
number of people who can avail
number of people who can avail themselves of the program. So, that
themselves of the program. So, that
themselves of the program. So, that some people say that we could tighten up
some people say that we could tighten up
some people say that we could tighten up the program as far as sanctions go. I
the program as far as sanctions go. I
the program as far as sanctions go. I mean, these are the rules. Let's stick
mean, these are the rules. Let's stick
mean, these are the rules. Let's stick to it. And if those people can't do the
to it. And if those people can't do the
to it. And if those people can't do the program, there's always someone else
program, there's always someone else
program, there's always someone else behind who uh who might make better use
behind who uh who might make better use
behind who uh who might make better use of it. Of course, those arguments
of it. Of course, those arguments
of it. Of course, those arguments are judgment.
are judgment.
are judgment. >> They are. I will tell you that we are
>> They are. I will tell you that we are
>> They are. I will tell you that we are definitely not at capacity. We have room
definitely not at capacity. We have room
definitely not at capacity. We have room in the treatment court. So there there
in the treatment court. So there there
in the treatment court. So there there may have been times in the past that the
may have been times in the past that the
may have been times in the past that the treatment court has been sort of full,
treatment court has been sort of full,
treatment court has been sort of full, but it's certainly not that now. So, if
but it's certainly not that now. So, if
but it's certainly not that now. So, if uh I'm not turning away anyone if they
uh I'm not turning away anyone if they
uh I'm not turning away anyone if they want to come in and they're ready to do
want to come in and they're ready to do
want to come in and they're ready to do the work because it is a lot of hard
the work because it is a lot of hard
the work because it is a lot of hard work.
work.
work. >> All right. Thank you. All right.
>> All right. Thank you. All right.
>> All right. Thank you. All right. >> Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you for your time. >> Thank you for having me. I appreciate it
>> Thank you for having me. I appreciate it
>> Thank you for having me. I appreciate it very much. It was nice to meet you all.
very much. It was nice to meet you all.
very much. It was nice to meet you all. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Take care. I hope you recover well. Make
>> Take care. I hope you recover well. Make
>> Take care. I hope you recover well. Make sure you get checked out that I have. I
sure you get checked out that I have. I
sure you get checked out that I have. I appreciate it.
appreciate it.
appreciate it. >> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
>> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
>> Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. >> All right, moving on.
>> All right, moving on.
>> All right, moving on. Is that me?
Is that me?
Is that me? >> I mean, you can check see if Mark has
>> I mean, you can check see if Mark has
>> I mean, you can check see if Mark has anything.
anything.
anything. >> Mark, do you have I don't think you'll
>> Mark, do you have I don't think you'll
>> Mark, do you have I don't think you'll see. Wait a second.
see. Wait a second.
see. Wait a second. >> Um, we could do I can get into my thing,
>> Um, we could do I can get into my thing,
>> Um, we could do I can get into my thing, but Mark also has a nonpublic and then
but Mark also has a nonpublic and then
but Mark also has a nonpublic and then he can go on his way if he chose to. Um
he can go on his way if he chose to. Um
he can go on his way if he chose to. Um if that's all right and it would be a
if that's all right and it would be a
if that's all right and it would be a nonpublic
nonpublic
nonpublic um
>> All right. Move to go into non-public
>> All right. Move to go into non-public under RSA 91832E.
under RSA 91832E.
under RSA 91832E. >> Is there a second?
>> Is there a second?
>> Is there a second? >> All right.
>> All right.
>> All right. >> I commissioner Clark I. Commissioner
>> I commissioner Clark I. Commissioner
>> I commissioner Clark I. Commissioner Stewart.
Stewart.
Stewart. >> Yes. Commissioner Evenardo.
>> Yes. Commissioner Evenardo.
>> Yes. Commissioner Evenardo. >> Hi.
>> Hi.
>> Hi. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. >> We have a
>> We have a
>> We have a >> All right.
>> All right.
>> All right. So,
So,
So, >> yeah.
>> yeah.
>> yeah. >> Okay. Somebody want to make a motion to
>> Okay. Somebody want to make a motion to
>> Okay. Somebody want to make a motion to come out of non-public.
come out of non-public.
come out of non-public. >> I make a motion to come out of
>> I make a motion to come out of
>> I make a motion to come out of non-public. I'll check it. I'll move. I
non-public. I'll check it. I'll move. I
non-public. I'll check it. I'll move. I would ask that we go into a non meeting
would ask that we go into a non meeting
would ask that we go into a non meeting um to discuss new matters.
um to discuss new matters.
um to discuss new matters. >> So move.
>> So move.
>> So move. >> Second.
>> Second.
>> Second. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Sorry.
>> Sorry.
>> Sorry. >> Yes.
All right, we're back in public session
All right, we're back in public session now. Uh uh we were in non software with
now. Uh uh we were in non software with
now. Uh uh we were in non software with briefly no
briefly no
briefly no uh uh decisions were made and no votes
uh uh decisions were made and no votes
uh uh decisions were made and no votes were taken.
were taken.
were taken. >> Yeah. And then we were in non a
>> Yeah. And then we were in non a
>> Yeah. And then we were in non a non-meating and again same thing. Um
non-meating and again same thing. Um
non-meating and again same thing. Um >> how should non meeting differ from?
>> how should non meeting differ from?
>> how should non meeting differ from? >> It's usually for legal advice. It's from
>> It's usually for legal advice. It's from
>> It's usually for legal advice. It's from either legal advice or union matters and
either legal advice or union matters and
either legal advice or union matters and it's you right in there and you know
it's you right in there and you know
it's you right in there and you know it's outlined what we can and can't do.
it's outlined what we can and can't do.
it's outlined what we can and can't do. But they do say if it is one of those
But they do say if it is one of those
But they do say if it is one of those two that it falls under that's what you
two that it falls under that's what you
two that it falls under that's what you should go under.
should go under.
should go under. >> There's no minutes taken. There's
>> There's no minutes taken. There's
>> There's no minutes taken. There's nothing that anybody can even come back
nothing that anybody can even come back
nothing that anybody can even come back and ask about the conversations
and ask about the conversations
and ask about the conversations >> non-publics you need to seal or unseal
>> non-publics you need to seal or unseal
>> non-publics you need to seal or unseal or whatever.
or whatever.
or whatever. >> Not that we're trying to hide anything.
>> Not that we're trying to hide anything.
>> Not that we're trying to hide anything. It's just that this you know we just
It's just that this you know we just
It's just that this you know we just wanted to talk about it. So, all right.
wanted to talk about it. So, all right.
wanted to talk about it. So, all right. Uh, moving on. Primex, I think we pretty
Uh, moving on. Primex, I think we pretty
Uh, moving on. Primex, I think we pretty much
much
much >> beaten that one up. Um, looks like we
>> beaten that one up. Um, looks like we
>> beaten that one up. Um, looks like we have some success, you know, going.
have some success, you know, going.
have some success, you know, going. We'll be be able to head up there in
We'll be be able to head up there in
We'll be be able to head up there in June and and do what we need to do. Um,
June and and do what we need to do. Um,
June and and do what we need to do. Um, Monday, I'm in
Monday, I'm in
Monday, I'm in um
um
um to meet with the select board um at
to meet with the select board um at
to meet with the select board um at 6:15. Is that in reference to
6:15. Is that in reference to
6:15. Is that in reference to um
um
um the rail trails
the rail trails
the rail trails and you know we uh have been we we the
and you know we uh have been we we the
and you know we uh have been we we the county the grants department writes all
county the grants department writes all
county the grants department writes all the grants for all the rails trails that
the grants for all the rails trails that
the grants for all the rails trails that are outside of the city pathways does
are outside of the city pathways does
are outside of the city pathways does that we have helped them in the past but
that we have helped them in the past but
that we have helped them in the past but but
but
but and we are writing one right now for
and we are writing one right now for
and we are writing one right now for $80,000 to help connect the the rail
$80,000 to help connect the the rail
$80,000 to help connect the the rail show all the way down And it's not we're
show all the way down And it's not we're
show all the way down And it's not we're not building new rail trail, but we're
not building new rail trail, but we're
not building new rail trail, but we're upgrading. Uh we're they've had some
upgrading. Uh we're they've had some
upgrading. Uh we're they've had some wash outs. They've had some other
wash outs. They've had some other
wash outs. They've had some other issues. So we'd be um that's what we'd
issues. So we'd be um that's what we'd
issues. So we'd be um that's what we'd be addressing. And I just need to make
be addressing. And I just need to make
be addressing. And I just need to make sure that the select board is um in
sure that the select board is um in
sure that the select board is um in agreement that we move forward. We don't
agreement that we move forward. We don't
agreement that we move forward. We don't just go into a town and then do this
just go into a town and then do this
just go into a town and then do this work in their town if they don't aren't
work in their town if they don't aren't
work in their town if they don't aren't aware of it. And so and there has been
aware of it. And so and there has been
aware of it. And so and there has been some push back from uh individuals that
some push back from uh individuals that
some push back from uh individuals that keep up the the trails. So we want to
keep up the the trails. So we want to
keep up the the trails. So we want to make sure we address any concerns
make sure we address any concerns
make sure we address any concerns because all we really do is write the
because all we really do is write the
because all we really do is write the grant
grant
grant >> get the money and then the town can or
>> get the money and then the town can or
>> get the money and then the town can or we can through the rails trails rails
we can through the rails trails rails
we can through the rails trails rails trails set up the work the the the
trails set up the work the the the
trails set up the work the the the workforce that's going to be needed to
workforce that's going to be needed to
workforce that's going to be needed to to get that work done. And again we're
to get that work done. And again we're
to get that work done. And again we're not creating anything new. We're just
not creating anything new. We're just
not creating anything new. We're just strengthening what's already there.
strengthening what's already there.
strengthening what's already there. >> Yeah. But when certain groups think they
>> Yeah. But when certain groups think they
>> Yeah. But when certain groups think they own a section,
own a section,
own a section, >> correct?
>> correct?
>> correct? >> Then that becomes the struggle and
>> Then that becomes the struggle and
>> Then that becomes the struggle and they're not going to do the work. They
they're not going to do the work. They
they're not going to do the work. They just want to make sure nobody else
just want to make sure nobody else
just want to make sure nobody else touches their territory.
touches their territory.
touches their territory. >> Right. And and our our thing is is our
>> Right. And and our our thing is is our
>> Right. And and our our thing is is our thing is we we've done this in I don't
thing is we we've done this in I don't
thing is we we've done this in I don't know how many towns and and people
know how many towns and and people
know how many towns and and people thanked us for
thanked us for
thanked us for >> finding the money to do this work. And
>> finding the money to do this work. And
>> finding the money to do this work. And if a town doesn't if if the select board
if a town doesn't if if the select board
if a town doesn't if if the select board said you know you know we're really not
said you know you know we're really not
said you know you know we're really not then we'll just that's fine but I want
then we'll just that's fine but I want
then we'll just that's fine but I want to hear that.
to hear that.
to hear that. >> So
>> So
>> So >> thank you.
>> thank you.
>> thank you. >> Yeah. Um I'll be going and meeting with
>> Yeah. Um I'll be going and meeting with
>> Yeah. Um I'll be going and meeting with students at the Granite
students at the Granite
students at the Granite what is it the Granite Prep School. Uh
what is it the Granite Prep School. Uh
what is it the Granite Prep School. Uh Granite School um at Keen State College
Granite School um at Keen State College
Granite School um at Keen State College is a it's a charter school that started
is a it's a charter school that started
is a it's a charter school that started this year. It's their first year. They
this year. It's their first year. They
this year. It's their first year. They asked us to come in and talk about
asked us to come in and talk about
asked us to come in and talk about leadership and about county government
leadership and about county government
leadership and about county government and things like that. So, I'll be doing
and things like that. So, I'll be doing
and things like that. So, I'll be doing that tomorrow. Um, nursing home update,
that tomorrow. Um, nursing home update,
that tomorrow. Um, nursing home update, you know, we Cheryl and I have been
you know, we Cheryl and I have been
you know, we Cheryl and I have been meeting with Catherine. Um, we just have
meeting with Catherine. Um, we just have
meeting with Catherine. Um, we just have to have we have the medical director. We
to have we have the medical director. We
to have we have the medical director. We are just hope, you know, there's still
are just hope, you know, there's still
are just hope, you know, there's still work to be done on nurse practitioner or
work to be done on nurse practitioner or
work to be done on nurse practitioner or phys physician assistant. Those are the
phys physician assistant. Those are the
phys physician assistant. Those are the things that we're working on and we have
things that we're working on and we have
things that we're working on and we have to trust that the company that we've
to trust that the company that we've
to trust that the company that we've hired, Vanguard, is going to be able
hired, Vanguard, is going to be able
hired, Vanguard, is going to be able Vanguard
Vanguard
Vanguard >> Vantage.
>> Vantage.
>> Vantage. >> Vantage
>> Vantage
>> Vantage >> both
>> both
>> both >> um that they're the ones that they're
>> um that they're the ones that they're
>> um that they're the ones that they're going to be able to uh get everything in
going to be able to uh get everything in
going to be able to uh get everything in place. They they are Sullivan and um you
place. They they are Sullivan and um you
place. They they are Sullivan and um you know some maybe some others that I can't
know some maybe some others that I can't
know some maybe some others that I can't remember, but this is the new trend. um
remember, but this is the new trend. um
remember, but this is the new trend. um this is what they do
this is what they do
this is what they do >> and this is what they do and so we're
>> and this is what they do and so we're
>> and this is what they do and so we're going to feel confident that it gets
going to feel confident that it gets
going to feel confident that it gets done but
done but
done but I also know that Katherine is somebody
I also know that Katherine is somebody
I also know that Katherine is somebody that likes to know boom boom boom and
that likes to know boom boom boom and
that likes to know boom boom boom and that's why we our nursing home runs so
that's why we our nursing home runs so
that's why we our nursing home runs so efficiently and so it is a it is a a
efficiently and so it is a it is a a
efficiently and so it is a it is a a test of
test of
test of of of calm for us to trust that somebody
of of calm for us to trust that somebody
of of calm for us to trust that somebody is going to pull this all together but
is going to pull this all together but
is going to pull this all together but it seems like it's we're getting closer
it seems like it's we're getting closer
it seems like it's we're getting closer >> as and I think this is going to be a
>> as and I think this is going to be a
>> as and I think this is going to be a year of learning
year of learning
year of learning and they process a little bit more than
and they process a little bit more than
and they process a little bit more than what we projected, but this was a
what we projected, but this was a
what we projected, but this was a curveball thrown at us at the 11th hour.
curveball thrown at us at the 11th hour.
curveball thrown at us at the 11th hour. And so we're just doing the best we can
And so we're just doing the best we can
And so we're just doing the best we can to to ensure that the nursing home is uh
to to ensure that the nursing home is uh
to to ensure that the nursing home is uh running at the level it needs to in the
running at the level it needs to in the
running at the level it needs to in the care. The good the good thing about it
care. The good the good thing about it
care. The good the good thing about it though is the after hours service that
though is the after hours service that
though is the after hours service that they're on call that they have is really
they're on call that they have is really
they're on call that they have is really really strong and people really utilize
really strong and people really utilize
really strong and people really utilize it in different ways and it's teleaalth
it in different ways and it's teleaalth
it in different ways and it's teleaalth and it's it's so that's something that
and it's it's so that's something that
and it's it's so that's something that they're they're excited about. They're
they're they're excited about. They're
they're they're excited about. They're actually getting trained this week on
actually getting trained this week on
actually getting trained this week on >> Yeah. And it's it's it it is it's new
>> Yeah. And it's it's it it is it's new
>> Yeah. And it's it's it it is it's new obviously as Chris said trusting the
obviously as Chris said trusting the
obviously as Chris said trusting the system and Katherine's just kind of
system and Katherine's just kind of
system and Katherine's just kind of having to come to the resolve that she
having to come to the resolve that she
having to come to the resolve that she needs to do that. um you know she's been
needs to do that. um you know she's been
needs to do that. um you know she's been in the background trying to line up the
in the background trying to line up the
in the background trying to line up the attending position and it hasn't hasn't
attending position and it hasn't hasn't
attending position and it hasn't hasn't worked out because you know
worked out because you know
worked out because you know for whatever reason anybody that she
for whatever reason anybody that she
for whatever reason anybody that she keeps looking into I think their their
keeps looking into I think their their
keeps looking into I think their their their level of interest starts to fade
their level of interest starts to fade
their level of interest starts to fade when they start to really look at what
when they start to really look at what
when they start to really look at what their short-term goals are of retiring
their short-term goals are of retiring
their short-term goals are of retiring themselves. And so the people she's
themselves. And so the people she's
themselves. And so the people she's working with actually get a little bit
working with actually get a little bit
working with actually get a little bit of a chuckle because they've never
of a chuckle because they've never
of a chuckle because they've never worked with somebody that's been behind
worked with somebody that's been behind
worked with somebody that's been behind the scenes doing the work that they
the scenes doing the work that they
the scenes doing the work that they typically do. So that's where as Chris
typically do. So that's where as Chris
typically do. So that's where as Chris said, as much as she'd like to just see
said, as much as she'd like to just see
said, as much as she'd like to just see everything in place, she's just
everything in place, she's just
everything in place, she's just realized, I guess I need to just step
realized, I guess I need to just step
realized, I guess I need to just step back and trust the system. So
back and trust the system. So
back and trust the system. So >> that's stressful.
>> that's stressful.
>> that's stressful. >> Yes.
staff meal 5:13 that is when we go up
staff meal 5:13 that is when we go up we'll have a meeting up there then we
we'll have a meeting up there then we
we'll have a meeting up there then we serve the meals so if you can you know I
serve the meals so if you can you know I
serve the meals so if you can you know I think there was an email sent out where
think there was an email sent out where
think there was an email sent out where you can follow to your times if they
you can follow to your times if they
you can follow to your times if they could that'd be great um
could that'd be great um
could that'd be great um >> I haven't heard back from yet I give
>> I haven't heard back from yet I give
>> I haven't heard back from yet I give them a couple options
them a couple options
them a couple options >> okay I'll follow up the screen to see
>> okay I'll follow up the screen to see
>> okay I'll follow up the screen to see where things stand I think Molly is the
where things stand I think Molly is the
where things stand I think Molly is the one I know But for some reason, Sabrina
one I know But for some reason, Sabrina
one I know But for some reason, Sabrina came across mine.
came across mine.
came across mine. >> Yeah, Sabrina sent it.
>> Yeah, Sabrina sent it.
>> Yeah, Sabrina sent it. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> there was another email
>> there was another email
>> there was another email >> and and I already got they sent out a
>> and and I already got they sent out a
>> and and I already got they sent out a list of people and so I already saw that
list of people and so I already saw that
list of people and so I already saw that I was
I was
I was >> I didn't see that
>> I didn't see that
>> I didn't see that >> put out with somebody at midnight.
>> put out with somebody at midnight.
>> put out with somebody at midnight. >> Well, I saw the one where you said
>> Well, I saw the one where you said
>> Well, I saw the one where you said you're doing doing midnight, but I
you're doing doing midnight, but I
you're doing doing midnight, but I didn't see a list of
didn't see a list of
didn't see a list of >> Yeah, there's a list of people. We'll
>> Yeah, there's a list of people. We'll
>> Yeah, there's a list of people. We'll ask we'll ask Sabrina to send send
ask we'll ask Sabrina to send send
ask we'll ask Sabrina to send send something to David
something to David
something to David if that's all right with you.
if that's all right with you.
if that's all right with you. >> Yeah. And um Molly at the end of April
>> Yeah. And um Molly at the end of April
>> Yeah. And um Molly at the end of April just sent it
just sent it
just sent it >> sent something
>> sent something
>> sent something >> to us saying hello all here's the
>> to us saying hello all here's the
>> to us saying hello all here's the completed list. U only two people reach
completed list. U only two people reach
completed list. U only two people reach time slot below and then everything was
time slot below and then everything was
time slot below and then everything was open except for midnight is already
open except for midnight is already
open except for midnight is already booked.
after midnight.
after midnight. >> All right. World Health Transformation
>> All right. World Health Transformation
>> All right. World Health Transformation uh funding. We had Dave Chyney meet with
uh funding. We had Dave Chyney meet with
uh funding. We had Dave Chyney meet with us up at the uh Primex meeting uh on
us up at the uh Primex meeting uh on
us up at the uh Primex meeting uh on Friday and talk about the grant. Uh it
Friday and talk about the grant. Uh it
Friday and talk about the grant. Uh it was interesting because once he was
was interesting because once he was
was interesting because once he was done, he left and I followed him right
done, he left and I followed him right
done, he left and I followed him right door and had a conversation with them.
door and had a conversation with them.
door and had a conversation with them. Um,
you know, I think there's there we're
you know, I think there's there we're with what we're learning, we're going to
with what we're learning, we're going to
with what we're learning, we're going to be prepared. Our number one goal, I
be prepared. Our number one goal, I
be prepared. Our number one goal, I think, and now we know where it needs to
think, and now we know where it needs to
think, and now we know where it needs to land and that is the charitable trust is
land and that is the charitable trust is
land and that is the charitable trust is where they're because they're doing all
where they're because they're doing all
where they're because they're doing all tele health or or uh
tele health or or uh
tele health or or uh internet connections, all those type of
internet connections, all those type of
internet connections, all those type of things throughout the state. That's
things throughout the state. That's
things throughout the state. That's where one of the categories they found.
where one of the categories they found.
where one of the categories they found. That's good because initially we're
That's good because initially we're
That's good because initially we're looking at CDFI
looking at CDFI
looking at CDFI U and our A and um
U and our A and um
U and our A and um that's not where it lands, but something
that's not where it lands, but something
that's not where it lands, but something else does. So that's where that one
else does. So that's where that one
else does. So that's where that one lands. We'll be ready to to pursue that
lands. We'll be ready to to pursue that
lands. We'll be ready to to pursue that shortly. Um, and then what I one one of
shortly. Um, and then what I one one of
shortly. Um, and then what I one one of the things he did say is center for
the things he did say is center for
the things he did say is center for Medicaid services have said this money
Medicaid services have said this money
Medicaid services have said this money cannot be used for a new bill.
cannot be used for a new bill.
cannot be used for a new bill. And so I said when I we said so this is
And so I said when I we said so this is
And so I said when I we said so this is our our second thing would be you know
our our second thing would be you know
our our second thing would be you know you know taking a look at um the
you know taking a look at um the
you know taking a look at um the expansion of of the of the of the EMS
expansion of of the of the of the EMS
expansion of of the of the of the EMS service. You know, when we built this,
service. You know, when we built this,
service. You know, when we built this, we built this under pressure. And some
we built this under pressure. And some
we built this under pressure. And some of the things that we've learned is that
of the things that we've learned is that
of the things that we've learned is that with the ambulances and all that stuff,
with the ambulances and all that stuff,
with the ambulances and all that stuff, we don't have enough space. Plus, we
we don't have enough space. Plus, we
we don't have enough space. Plus, we also don't have a a training area that's
also don't have a a training area that's
also don't have a a training area that's handicapped accessible. Plus, we need,
handicapped accessible. Plus, we need,
handicapped accessible. Plus, we need, you know, a few more living spaces. All
you know, a few more living spaces. All
you know, a few more living spaces. All those things need those all together.
those things need those all together.
those things need those all together. That's something we're looking at. I
That's something we're looking at. I
That's something we're looking at. I said, "So, what you're saying is we can
said, "So, what you're saying is we can
said, "So, what you're saying is we can only do something that's within our
only do something that's within our
only do something that's within our footprint." They said, "Yes." I said, '
footprint." They said, "Yes." I said, '
footprint." They said, "Yes." I said, ' So if we put a structure in place that
So if we put a structure in place that
So if we put a structure in place that had nothing inside, but it was just a
had nothing inside, but it was just a
had nothing inside, but it was just a footprint of He said, "Then you would,"
footprint of He said, "Then you would,"
footprint of He said, "Then you would," he smiled. He started laughing and he
he smiled. He started laughing and he
he smiled. He started laughing and he said, "Yes,
said, "Yes,
said, "Yes, that you have created new foot spa uh
that you have created new foot spa uh
that you have created new foot spa uh space." And so you can you can consider
space." And so you can you can consider
space." And so you can you can consider that that would be something that would
that that would be something that would
that that would be something that would be especially what you're trying to do
be especially what you're trying to do
be especially what you're trying to do with the growth of in the pressure and
with the growth of in the pressure and
with the growth of in the pressure and the growth of the runs and the 28%
the growth of the runs and the 28%
the growth of the runs and the 28% increase in calls. I gave them all this
increase in calls. I gave them all this
increase in calls. I gave them all this stuff. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And
stuff. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And
stuff. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And so there's some hope there. But it also
so there's some hope there. But it also
so there's some hope there. But it also opened my eyes up to if a town in this
opened my eyes up to if a town in this
opened my eyes up to if a town in this region wanted an ambulance service to
region wanted an ambulance service to
region wanted an ambulance service to come. But the only way that we could
come. But the only way that we could
come. But the only way that we could have them there is if they for 247 is if
have them there is if they for 247 is if
have them there is if they for 247 is if they did work within that building on
they did work within that building on
they did work within that building on that area. So you know, there's been a
that area. So you know, there's been a
that area. So you know, there's been a few that have talked to us about that.
few that have talked to us about that.
few that have talked to us about that. then I think that in the second year we
then I think that in the second year we
then I think that in the second year we could pursue that, you know, and so
could pursue that, you know, and so
could pursue that, you know, and so that's good news too because it's it's
that's good news too because it's it's
that's good news too because it's it's because he said yeah and he said but
because he said yeah and he said but
because he said yeah and he said but we have to it's a fine line
we have to it's a fine line
we have to it's a fine line because
because
because I don't think if we go into the fire
I don't think if we go into the fire
I don't think if we go into the fire side of it it's going to qualify but if
side of it it's going to qualify but if
side of it it's going to qualify but if we keep it on the ambulance side of it
we keep it on the ambulance side of it
we keep it on the ambulance side of it or the EMS side of it will qualify. So,
or the EMS side of it will qualify. So,
or the EMS side of it will qualify. So, we just have to think about that as
we just have to think about that as
we just have to think about that as we're we're moving forward. And it's
we're we're moving forward. And it's
we're we're moving forward. And it's small cost. They like small things that
small cost. They like small things that
small cost. They like small things that are would be shovel ready because once
are would be shovel ready because once
are would be shovel ready because once we get them, we could go right in and do
we get them, we could go right in and do
we get them, we could go right in and do the work it needs to be done. So, I
the work it needs to be done. So, I
the work it needs to be done. So, I think it's very viable opportunities for
think it's very viable opportunities for
think it's very viable opportunities for us to upgrade some places that may need
us to upgrade some places that may need
us to upgrade some places that may need it so that we can service those
it so that we can service those
it so that we can service those communities better.
communities better.
communities better. >> And I was just going to say that he
>> And I was just going to say that he
>> And I was just going to say that he mentioned that things are going to
mentioned that things are going to
mentioned that things are going to really start to come out for us at the
really start to come out for us at the
really start to come out for us at the end of May.
end of May.
end of May. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, pretty soon. Don and I
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, pretty soon. Don and I
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, pretty soon. Don and I Don I think's going to be here
Don I think's going to be here
Don I think's going to be here >> Friday.
>> Friday.
>> Friday. >> Tomorrow.
>> Tomorrow.
>> Tomorrow. >> Oh,
>> Oh,
>> Oh, >> right.
>> right.
>> right. >> Well, Friday's with the Southwest. Is he
>> Well, Friday's with the Southwest. Is he
>> Well, Friday's with the Southwest. Is he coming two days?
coming two days?
coming two days? >> Oh, or is it I can't remember. Not
>> Oh, or is it I can't remember. Not
>> Oh, or is it I can't remember. Not tomorrow. Friday.
tomorrow. Friday.
tomorrow. Friday. >> It should be Friday. Unless both days,
>> It should be Friday. Unless both days,
>> It should be Friday. Unless both days, >> right? Yeah, he's coming Friday. We're
>> right? Yeah, he's coming Friday. We're
>> right? Yeah, he's coming Friday. We're going to tighten up some stuff too and
going to tighten up some stuff too and
going to tighten up some stuff too and make sure because the big ring is what
make sure because the big ring is what
make sure because the big ring is what we're really going after.
we're really going after.
we're really going after. >> So, can we put a bay on the side of our
>> So, can we put a bay on the side of our
>> So, can we put a bay on the side of our fire department and wrench to hold an
fire department and wrench to hold an
fire department and wrench to hold an ambulance?
Could you could you take a look at the
Could you could you take a look at the inner clippings of where people needed
inner clippings of where people needed
inner clippings of where people needed to sleep and and put in a sprinkler
to sleep and and put in a sprinkler
to sleep and and put in a sprinkler system?
system?
system? >> Um, and a bathroom upgraded bathroom,
>> Um, and a bathroom upgraded bathroom,
>> Um, and a bathroom upgraded bathroom, >> a sleeping area, sitting area, all that
>> a sleeping area, sitting area, all that
>> a sleeping area, sitting area, all that for the ambulance service that you would
for the ambulance service that you would
for the ambulance service that you would want there.
want there.
want there. >> Uh, because you have the foot uh
>> Uh, because you have the foot uh
>> Uh, because you have the foot uh footprint already in place.
footprint already in place.
footprint already in place. >> I think that would be something that we
>> I think that would be something that we
>> I think that would be something that we could take a look at.
could take a look at.
could take a look at. I've sent multiple emails now to the
I've sent multiple emails now to the
I've sent multiple emails now to the fire chief because Steve Vier connected
fire chief because Steve Vier connected
fire chief because Steve Vier connected me with him and I said let's meet at
me with him and I said let's meet at
me with him and I said let's meet at some point. I just
some point. I just
some point. I just >> the fire chief the new one in range.
>> the fire chief the new one in range.
>> the fire chief the new one in range. >> Yeah, I haven't heard back from him yet.
>> Yeah, I haven't heard back from him yet.
>> Yeah, I haven't heard back from him yet. Yeah, I think it's Bobby or something
Yeah, I think it's Bobby or something
Yeah, I think it's Bobby or something like that.
like that.
like that. >> Toss.
>> Toss.
>> Toss. >> I don't know.
>> I don't know.
>> I don't know. >> Yeah, I'm good.
>> Yeah, I'm good.
>> Yeah, I'm good. >> His last name is Toss.
>> His last name is Toss.
>> His last name is Toss. >> Oh, yeah. So, if if you happen to see
>> Oh, yeah. So, if if you happen to see
>> Oh, yeah. So, if if you happen to see him, I'm trying to connect him because I
him, I'm trying to connect him because I
him, I'm trying to connect him because I I did say in this thing I may have a way
I did say in this thing I may have a way
I did say in this thing I may have a way for us to talk about having an
for us to talk about having an
for us to talk about having an opportunity that came up. So,
opportunity that came up. So,
opportunity that came up. So, so yeah, those that's where that's at. I
so yeah, those that's where that's at. I
so yeah, those that's where that's at. I just shut my book. I don't know why I
just shut my book. I don't know why I
just shut my book. I don't know why I did. Um,
did. Um,
did. Um, remember Swansea the 20th at 5:30.
The forum tonight at 6 p.m.
The forum tonight at 6 p.m. where we have Rob Malay from SAU 29,
where we have Rob Malay from SAU 29,
where we have Rob Malay from SAU 29, Elizabeth Ferland, city manager,
Elizabeth Ferland, city manager,
Elizabeth Ferland, city manager, >> um, and myself and Margaret Burns and
>> um, and myself and Margaret Burns and
>> um, and myself and Margaret Burns and Senator Bent. um all speaking
Senator Bent. um all speaking
Senator Bent. um all speaking um
um
um and it was cool this weekend um and
and it was cool this weekend um and
and it was cool this weekend um and Davis is going to work on it this
Davis is going to work on it this
Davis is going to work on it this weekend's um well radio we had Jack I
weekend's um well radio we had Jack I
weekend's um well radio we had Jack I had Jack come back on but what was cool
had Jack come back on but what was cool
had Jack come back on but what was cool about it was I brought the owl that
about it was I brought the owl that
about it was I brought the owl that right there
right there
right there >> and um set it up so we recorded the
>> and um set it up so we recorded the
>> and um set it up so we recorded the radio program so we can put it on our
radio program so we can put it on our
radio program so we can put it on our website and that's what I'm going to
website and that's what I'm going to
website and that's what I'm going to start doing. He's gonna have to edit
start doing. He's gonna have to edit
start doing. He's gonna have to edit some of it in there. Um, not the content
some of it in there. Um, not the content
some of it in there. Um, not the content itself, but some of the other stuff
itself, but some of the other stuff
itself, but some of the other stuff that's in there. We just have to work it
that's in there. We just have to work it
that's in there. We just have to work it out. But otherwise, it um
out. But otherwise, it um
out. But otherwise, it um >> see it on the radio.
>> see it on the radio.
>> see it on the radio. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, and I, as you'll see, as
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, and I, as you'll see, as
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, and I, as you'll see, as you'll see, I dress for it and I'm not
you'll see, I dress for it and I'm not
you'll see, I dress for it and I'm not going to change who I am on the radio.
going to change who I am on the radio.
going to change who I am on the radio. You know what I mean? So, but it was it
You know what I mean? So, but it was it
You know what I mean? So, but it was it was we actually it was I think I think
was we actually it was I think I think
was we actually it was I think I think both both prior to that we had um
both both prior to that we had um
both both prior to that we had um service link um on and they talked about
service link um on and they talked about
service link um on and they talked about their work and that was actually good.
their work and that was actually good.
their work and that was actually good. So, um,
So, um,
So, um, >> that woman,
>> that woman,
>> that woman, >> oh, Carolyn Debell, she was a who
>> oh, Carolyn Debell, she was a who
>> oh, Carolyn Debell, she was a who >> at one point I said said something and
oh, we were gonna in real life we I I've
oh, we were gonna in real life we I I've known Carolyn for years and we were
known Carolyn for years and we were
known Carolyn for years and we were going to open up an ice cream um stand
going to open up an ice cream um stand
going to open up an ice cream um stand at one point. We really were. And she
at one point. We really were. And she
at one point. We really were. And she did end up offer starting one up and um
did end up offer starting one up and um
did end up offer starting one up and um she uh she I I said and she said, "And
she uh she I I said and she said, "And
she uh she I I said and she said, "And you always like that ice cream." And I
you always like that ice cream." And I
you always like that ice cream." And I said, "Yeah, and look at I got to have
said, "Yeah, and look at I got to have
said, "Yeah, and look at I got to have eye cream now because it's it's bikini
eye cream now because it's it's bikini
eye cream now because it's it's bikini season." And I like, you know, I saying
season." And I like, you know, I saying
season." And I like, you know, I saying this on the right and she's like, "Well,
this on the right and she's like, "Well,
this on the right and she's like, "Well, did you get wax yet?" And
did you get wax yet?" And
did you get wax yet?" And >> and then the second she said, "Oh,
>> but she wasn't done now." Then she she
>> but she wasn't done now." Then she she went all in at the end. She said, "Don't
went all in at the end. She said, "Don't
went all in at the end. She said, "Don't forget you get don't forget to get
forget you get don't forget to get
forget you get don't forget to get waxed."
waxed."
waxed." >> Well, that's awesome.
>> Well, that's awesome.
>> Well, that's awesome. >> Yeah. So that causes the end.
>> Yeah. So that causes the end.
>> Yeah. So that causes the end. >> No, that was No, I didn't do that. See,
>> No, that was No, I didn't do that. See,
>> No, that was No, I didn't do that. See, I I hadn't wasn't set up yet that
I I hadn't wasn't set up yet that
I I hadn't wasn't set up yet that portion of the show. I got the second
portion of the show. I got the second
portion of the show. I got the second part of the show where Jack, myself, and
part of the show where Jack, myself, and
part of the show where Jack, myself, and and Josh Greenwald, we talked about
and Josh Greenwald, we talked about
and Josh Greenwald, we talked about downshifting and what it means and all
downshifting and what it means and all
downshifting and what it means and all that stuff. So
that stuff. So
that stuff. So >> Jack speaks very well that
>> Jack speaks very well that
>> Jack speaks very well that >> Yeah, he does.
>> Yeah, he does.
>> Yeah, he does. on numerous issues obviously but
on numerous issues obviously but
on numerous issues obviously but >> he's been talking about that for years
>> he's been talking about that for years
>> he's been talking about that for years >> years
>> transportation situation southwest
>> transportation situation southwest regional planning
regional planning
regional planning >> and all the rest of that
>> and all the rest of that
>> and all the rest of that >> so I went to the first meeting
>> so I went to the first meeting
>> so I went to the first meeting um and it was an interesting meeting um
um and it was an interesting meeting um
um and it was an interesting meeting um a lot of Elizabeth and I asked a lot of
a lot of Elizabeth and I asked a lot of
a lot of Elizabeth and I asked a lot of questions
questions
questions um and at the end of today. Um, we did
um and at the end of today. Um, we did
um and at the end of today. Um, we did say that if they want to put an RF,
say that if they want to put an RF,
say that if they want to put an RF, I think they were going with a RFI or an
I think they were going with a RFI or an
I think they were going with a RFI or an RFQ,
RFQ,
RFQ, you know, RFP. Um, and so, uh, and and
you know, RFP. Um, and so, uh, and and
you know, RFP. Um, and so, uh, and and to see if there's companies that that
to see if there's companies that that
to see if there's companies that that are out there that would want to come in
are out there that would want to come in
are out there that would want to come in and, um,
and, um,
and, um, take over for
if there's any interest.
if there's any interest. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So they have
So they have
So they have >> but here's not going
>> but here's not going
>> but here's not going >> there's no I know they've split the
>> there's no I know they've split the
>> there's no I know they've split the programs now into two different
programs now into two different
programs now into two different components. One that's keen focused and
components. One that's keen focused and
components. One that's keen focused and one that's other focused.
one that's other focused.
one that's other focused. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Right. >> And the one we're talking about right
>> And the one we're talking about right
>> And the one we're talking about right now is Ke focused. But what what we
now is Ke focused. But what what we
now is Ke focused. But what what we really hit on them are was that
really hit on them are was that
really hit on them are was that >> if there's a vision that's great but
>> if there's a vision that's great but
>> if there's a vision that's great but >> you got a system in place.
>> you got a system in place.
>> you got a system in place. >> So they're putting together a committee
>> So they're putting together a committee
>> So they're putting together a committee on that.
on that.
on that. second piece, but they're really moving
second piece, but they're really moving
second piece, but they're really moving forward with some of their own ideas.
forward with some of their own ideas.
forward with some of their own ideas. So,
So,
So, >> yeah, I just think there needs to be a
>> yeah, I just think there needs to be a
>> yeah, I just think there needs to be a voices at the table. I made that very
voices at the table. I made that very
voices at the table. I made that very clear and they said that would be the
clear and they said that would be the
clear and they said that would be the people I've mentioned which was smart
people I've mentioned which was smart
people I've mentioned which was smart ride and also your uh CV.
ride and also your uh CV.
ride and also your uh CV. >> Wait, don't tell me. Wait. Community
>> Wait, don't tell me. Wait. Community
>> Wait, don't tell me. Wait. Community volunteer transportation committee.
volunteer transportation committee.
volunteer transportation committee. But it's still C.
But it's still C.
But it's still C. >> It is C. Still C.
>> It is C. Still C.
>> It is C. Still C. >> I just call it CBT. People like CBTC C.
>> I just call it CBT. People like CBTC C.
>> I just call it CBT. People like CBTC C. I'm like, you know what I'm talking
I'm like, you know what I'm talking
I'm like, you know what I'm talking about.
about.
about. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, yeah, there'll be a number of us
>> So, yeah, there'll be a number of us
>> So, yeah, there'll be a number of us that'll be on that committee.
that'll be on that committee.
that'll be on that committee. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, that's where it is. You know,
>> So, that's where it is. You know,
>> So, that's where it is. You know, they're
they're
they're I think what had to happen in that
I think what had to happen in that
I think what had to happen in that meeting is they all said right off the
meeting is they all said right off the
meeting is they all said right off the bat, they were like, we, you know, like
bat, they were like, we, you know, like
bat, they were like, we, you know, like to talk about the mission statement.
to talk about the mission statement.
to talk about the mission statement. We'd like to talk about this. we'd like
We'd like to talk about this. we'd like
We'd like to talk about this. we'd like to talk about this and then we'd like to
to talk about this and then we'd like to
to talk about this and then we'd like to vote on on these and we both Elizabeth
vote on on these and we both Elizabeth
vote on on these and we both Elizabeth and I said stop how did we get here can
and I said stop how did we get here can
and I said stop how did we get here can we start there first why you know build
we start there first why you know build
we start there first why you know build us up to what you're talking about now
us up to what you're talking about now
us up to what you're talking about now and so that's what the meeting turned
and so that's what the meeting turned
and so that's what the meeting turned into they turned their agenda upside
into they turned their agenda upside
into they turned their agenda upside down and and so that's and it was ended
down and and so that's and it was ended
down and and so that's and it was ended up I felt more comfortable having that
up I felt more comfortable having that
up I felt more comfortable having that especially after asking some of the
especially after asking some of the
especially after asking some of the questions I've had so it It was a good
questions I've had so it It was a good
questions I've had so it It was a good conversation if I may interest. How
conversation if I may interest. How
conversation if I may interest. How about downstairs? Violence prevention.
about downstairs? Violence prevention.
about downstairs? Violence prevention. How How the How's that going? Looks like
How How the How's that going? Looks like
How How the How's that going? Looks like there's a sign on the door that says
there's a sign on the door that says
there's a sign on the door that says we're not taking walkins.
we're not taking walkins.
we're not taking walkins. >> They never do. That sign's been there
>> They never do. That sign's been there
>> They never do. That sign's been there for a long time.
for a long time.
for a long time. >> For a long time.
>> For a long time.
>> For a long time. >> Well, it says to call and they might
>> Well, it says to call and they might
>> Well, it says to call and they might take you right then and there, but you
take you right then and there, but you
take you right then and there, but you still call.
still call.
still call. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Um, thank you.
>> Um, thank you.
>> Um, thank you. I'm not very sure.
I'm not very sure.
I'm not very sure. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> No, it's a small sign generally. It's
>> No, it's a small sign generally. It's
>> No, it's a small sign generally. It's small. You have to walk to it to go see
small. You have to walk to it to go see
small. You have to walk to it to go see some level
some level
some level >> when you're in
>> when you're in
>> when you're in they're not able to really deal with the
they're not able to really deal with the
they're not able to really deal with the crisis part.
crisis part.
crisis part. >> So, um that's what I have.
>> So, um that's what I have.
>> So, um that's what I have. >> What about um Yep. Have we heard
>> What about um Yep. Have we heard
>> What about um Yep. Have we heard anything about the the Purdue Pharma
anything about the the Purdue Pharma
anything about the the Purdue Pharma money that the 30 million that they just
money that the 30 million that they just
money that the 30 million that they just uh
uh
uh >> we we brought that up? Um well, we've
>> we we brought that up? Um well, we've
>> we we brought that up? Um well, we've brought a few things up um at the
brought a few things up um at the
brought a few things up um at the meeting, but afterwards uh a bunch of uh
meeting, but afterwards uh a bunch of uh
meeting, but afterwards uh a bunch of uh county administrators get together and
county administrators get together and
county administrators get together and we're going to ask um we're going to put
we're going to ask um we're going to put
we're going to ask um we're going to put a letter together through our attorney
a letter together through our attorney
a letter together through our attorney to get um an overview of where things
to get um an overview of where things
to get um an overview of where things stand and because usually in the
stand and because usually in the
stand and because usually in the springtime, which is now, is when we've
springtime, which is now, is when we've
springtime, which is now, is when we've got some checks in the past is what I
got some checks in the past is what I
got some checks in the past is what I was told. I I can't remember. I know
was told. I I can't remember. I know
was told. I I can't remember. I know snow all of a sudden Cheryl will say we
snow all of a sudden Cheryl will say we
snow all of a sudden Cheryl will say we got a check
got a check
got a check >> and we haven't gotten any recently but
>> and we haven't gotten any recently but
>> and we haven't gotten any recently but there are some
there are some
there are some >> Well, this is a new 30 million.
>> Well, this is a new 30 million.
>> Well, this is a new 30 million. >> Well, I Yeah. No, but I but we're even
>> Well, I Yeah. No, but I but we're even
>> Well, I Yeah. No, but I but we're even wondering like there are some some
wondering like there are some some
wondering like there are some some lawsuits that are paying out over a
lawsuits that are paying out over a
lawsuits that are paying out over a 14-year period, 16-year period. So,
14-year period, 16-year period. So,
14-year period, 16-year period. So, annually we should be getting something
annually we should be getting something
annually we should be getting something into the state. What we do know is that
into the state. What we do know is that
into the state. What we do know is that we joined some lawsuits just ourselves
we joined some lawsuits just ourselves
we joined some lawsuits just ourselves and the state has made it very clear to
and the state has made it very clear to
and the state has made it very clear to us um that the law says we have to if we
us um that the law says we have to if we
us um that the law says we have to if we receive any added money we have to give
receive any added money we have to give
receive any added money we have to give it to the state to break up to the sub
it to the state to break up to the sub
it to the state to break up to the sub subgroups
subgroups
subgroups >> even though we put in the effort to get
>> even though we put in the effort to get
>> even though we put in the effort to get it
it
it >> because you whether the state chose to
>> because you whether the state chose to
>> because you whether the state chose to go down that road or not. So, um, so
go down that road or not. So, um, so
go down that road or not. So, um, so yeah, we're trying to get a better
yeah, we're trying to get a better
yeah, we're trying to get a better handle of it. And what I thought I'd do,
handle of it. And what I thought I'd do,
handle of it. And what I thought I'd do, too, is, um, attend the next, uh, ask
too, is, um, attend the next, uh, ask
too, is, um, attend the next, uh, ask Katherine what the next meeting is and
Katherine what the next meeting is and
Katherine what the next meeting is and sit in on it. And when they have public
sit in on it. And when they have public
sit in on it. And when they have public comment, ask, you know, if we could get
comment, ask, you know, if we could get
comment, ask, you know, if we could get something along with us writing a
something along with us writing a
something along with us writing a writing a letter asking us that if there
writing a letter asking us that if there
writing a letter asking us that if there what the schedule is, if they could give
what the schedule is, if they could give
what the schedule is, if they could give us something
us something
us something because, you know, again, conspiracy
because, you know, again, conspiracy
because, you know, again, conspiracy theorists in us and we actually looked
theorists in us and we actually looked
theorists in us and we actually looked at each other like, are they getting the
at each other like, are they getting the
at each other like, are they getting the money not giving it to us?
>> Well, it's three million a year. Yeah,
>> Well, it's three million a year. Yeah, we should get some of it.
we should get some of it.
we should get some of it. >> And what we're hearing is like the the
>> And what we're hearing is like the the
>> And what we're hearing is like the the numbers for uh
numbers for uh
numbers for uh tourism dollars way off
tourism dollars way off
tourism dollars way off way up like the revenue way down in this
way up like the revenue way down in this
way up like the revenue way down in this state.
state.
state. So it's interesting because they also
So it's interesting because they also
So it's interesting because they also said the the business tax is up
said the the business tax is up
said the the business tax is up and then you know the question was asked
and then you know the question was asked
and then you know the question was asked well had they
well had they
well had they had they not made the cut would it be up
had they not made the cut would it be up
had they not made the cut would it be up that much more the person said yes. So
that much more the person said yes. So
that much more the person said yes. So it's just you know I look at it as as we
it's just you know I look at it as as we
it's just you know I look at it as as we have to figure out how to do our
have to figure out how to do our
have to figure out how to do our business here. It's not about it's not
business here. It's not about it's not
business here. It's not about it's not it's not about it's about decision made
it's not about it's about decision made
it's not about it's about decision made and it's a best practice. So that's why
and it's a best practice. So that's why
and it's a best practice. So that's why we look at it. So we I will I will get
we look at it. So we I will I will get
we look at it. So we I will I will get back to you on that once I know more.
back to you on that once I know more.
back to you on that once I know more. >> Um vote to accept the weekly manifest
>> Um vote to accept the weekly manifest
>> Um vote to accept the weekly manifest and minutes of April 29th, 2026.
and minutes of April 29th, 2026.
and minutes of April 29th, 2026. >> Second one question.
>> Second one question.
>> Second one question. >> Yeah. Any news on the govern west?
>> Yeah. Any news on the govern west?
>> Yeah. Any news on the govern west? >> Yeah. the it's about this the
>> Yeah. the it's about this the
>> Yeah. the it's about this the it's taken this long that next month it
it's taken this long that next month it
it's taken this long that next month it will go before the executive committee
will go before the executive committee
will go before the executive committee of the the um executive council for
of the the um executive council for
of the the um executive council for approval to do the work
approval to do the work
approval to do the work >> that yeah
>> that yeah
>> that yeah >> you mean should do which work
>> you mean should do which work
>> you mean should do which work >> right
>> right
>> right >> after work or the study
>> after work or the study
>> after work or the study >> the study
>> the study
>> the study >> just start the study yeah
>> just start the study yeah
>> just start the study yeah >> when you say the work no it starts the
>> when you say the work no it starts the
>> when you say the work no it starts the study
study
study >> the study study
>> the study study
>> the study study >> oh my god
>> oh my god
>> oh my god The other one would be the uh studies
The other one would be the uh studies
The other one would be the uh studies for the water.
for the water.
for the water. >> Yeah, they're putting the RFPs out and
>> Yeah, they're putting the RFPs out and
>> Yeah, they're putting the RFPs out and they're going to get that work going.
they're going to get that work going.
they're going to get that work going. >> Yeah, they're up right now actually.
>> Yeah, they're up right now actually.
>> Yeah, they're up right now actually. >> Are they? Yeah, just posted recently.
>> Are they? Yeah, just posted recently.
>> Are they? Yeah, just posted recently. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> So,
>> So,
>> So, the attorney general has signed off on
the attorney general has signed off on
the attorney general has signed off on the agreement and now it's the
the agreement and now it's the
the agreement and now it's the department of administration services,
department of administration services,
department of administration services, the last review step before
the last review step before
the last review step before uh governor and counsel. So that's where
uh governor and counsel. So that's where
uh governor and counsel. So that's where it's at. That's all these steps to get
it's at. That's all these steps to get
it's at. That's all these steps to get going.
>> Okay. I'm waiting my time.
>> Okay. I'm waiting my time. >> Um,
>> Um,
>> Um, so all right. Motion on the floor.
so all right. Motion on the floor.
so all right. Motion on the floor. Commissioner Clark.
Commissioner Clark.
Commissioner Clark. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Stewart. Yes. Commissioner
>> Commissioner Stewart. Yes. Commissioner
>> Commissioner Stewart. Yes. Commissioner Dernardo.
Dernardo.
Dernardo. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> All right. Calendar already said, but
>> All right. Calendar already said, but
>> All right. Calendar already said, but maybe with next week regular start time.
maybe with next week regular start time.
maybe with next week regular start time. I mean, we can't we could do a late
I mean, we can't we could do a late
I mean, we can't we could do a late start time because lunch doesn't start
start time because lunch doesn't start
start time because lunch doesn't start till around
till around
till around then.
then.
then. >> So far, there's only one thing on the
>> So far, there's only one thing on the
>> So far, there's only one thing on the agenda. That's usually
agenda. That's usually
agenda. That's usually >> lunch for what?
>> lunch for what?
>> lunch for what? >> This one we're volunteering to
>> This one we're volunteering to
>> This one we're volunteering to >> like I know you're at midnight.
>> like I know you're at midnight.
>> like I know you're at midnight. >> I'm at midnight. So,
>> I'm at midnight. So,
>> I'm at midnight. So, >> we're going to start late because you
>> we're going to start late because you
>> we're going to start late because you guys don't have to do midnight.
guys don't have to do midnight.
guys don't have to do midnight. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Wow. >> I have to allow you to sleep later so
>> I have to allow you to sleep later so
>> I have to allow you to sleep later so you can be ready for midnight. This is
you can be ready for midnight. This is
you can be ready for midnight. This is for you. It doesn't matter. She
for you. It doesn't matter. She
for you. It doesn't matter. She definitely did that because she lived in
definitely did that because she lived in
definitely did that because she lived in Walpole.
Walpole.
Walpole. >> I know, but I'm doing it because I know
>> I know, but I'm doing it because I know
>> I know, but I'm doing it because I know nobody else wants to do that and I don't
nobody else wants to do that and I don't
nobody else wants to do that and I don't want them to be doing it without a
want them to be doing it without a
want them to be doing it without a commissioner.
commissioner.
commissioner. >> Yeah, especially with Catherine this
>> Yeah, especially with Catherine this
>> Yeah, especially with Catherine this year, Sabrina, right?
year, Sabrina, right?
year, Sabrina, right? >> Appreciate it, I'm sure.
>> Appreciate it, I'm sure.
>> Appreciate it, I'm sure. >> But that's it. I mean, we'll get back to
>> But that's it. I mean, we'll get back to
>> But that's it. I mean, we'll get back to you on the start time then.
you on the start time then.
you on the start time then. >> I mean, I don't have a problem 9:30.
>> I mean, I don't have a problem 9:30.
>> I mean, I don't have a problem 9:30. >> I don't care.
>> I don't care.
>> I don't care. life easier.
life easier.
life easier. >> That works for me because
>> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's it. All right. So,
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's it. All right. So,
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's it. All right. So, >> I'm going to be away from the 17th
>> I'm going to be away from the 17th
>> I'm going to be away from the 17th through the 21st.
through the 21st.
through the 21st. >> Okay.
>> Oh, so you're going to miss our
>> Oh, so you're going to miss our inspection?
inspection?
inspection? >> Yes, I am. Is that right? Just another
>> Yes, I am. Is that right? Just another
>> Yes, I am. Is that right? Just another thing in June on June 20th and I'm not
thing in June on June 20th and I'm not
thing in June on June 20th and I'm not quite sure the time. I feel like it's
quite sure the time. I feel like it's
quite sure the time. I feel like it's like 11 to 3 or something. The employees
like 11 to 3 or something. The employees
like 11 to 3 or something. The employees association is having their their touch
association is having their their touch
association is having their their touch of truck event, but it's going to be at
of truck event, but it's going to be at
of truck event, but it's going to be at the Keen Rec Center. Last year it was at
the Keen Rec Center. Last year it was at
the Keen Rec Center. Last year it was at um Manadano High School. This time it's
um Manadano High School. This time it's
um Manadano High School. This time it's going to be at the Keen Rec Center area.
going to be at the Keen Rec Center area.
going to be at the Keen Rec Center area. So,
So,
So, >> you know what's gonna be so cool?
>> you know what's gonna be so cool?
>> you know what's gonna be so cool? >> Food being sold and stuff like that. So,
>> Food being sold and stuff like that. So,
>> Food being sold and stuff like that. So, >> you know what's gonna be cool is that
>> you know what's gonna be cool is that
>> you know what's gonna be cool is that >> Yeah. that he's allowing us to use his
>> Yeah. that he's allowing us to use his
>> Yeah. that he's allowing us to use his bathroom for
bathroom for
bathroom for >> Mike Franklin is going to be here.
>> Mike Franklin is going to be here.
>> Mike Franklin is going to be here. >> Oh, nice.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Oh, nice. >> So, they'll be able to come over and
>> So, they'll be able to come over and
>> So, they'll be able to come over and >> the trucks and all that jazz.
>> All right. So, seeing any other business
>> All right. So, seeing any other business than a German
than a German
than a German to
to
to >> All right. All in favor?
>> All right. All in favor?
>> All right. All in favor? >> I I I
Stewart.
Stewart. >> Yes. And
>> Yes. And
>> Yes. And >> yes,
>> yes,
>> yes, >> you over there. I was gonna say
>> you over there. I was gonna say
>> you over there. I was gonna say commissioner. I did say the rest and
commissioner. I did say the rest and
commissioner. I did say the rest and then like they're gonna call me.
then like they're gonna call me.
then like they're gonna call me. >> Yes.