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Town of Troy Budget Committee Meeting 6/9/2025

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Oh my goodness. You'd be good at it.
Okay. All right. Okay. So, that's this.
Would you want to serve too?
All right. I'll continue just because
it'll be good to be there too.
Sidekick. Yeah. Well, yeah. I was part
of the since left us. I was part of we
usually meet at the town hall and try
and do it opposite budget so that it's
not
Yeah. So you're gonna be on be on as
well. Yes. That's good. Yeah. Because a
little bit so that we'll have two budget
and planning. Yeah. Well, that will help
what we've talked about. I have notes.
So
all right.
So that's the CIP. So as far as So that
kind of ties into our goals as far as
ensuring we're saving correctly for
that. The other goal we tal Oh, sorry.
Let me get back here. So, the other
thing we talked about last meeting was
department
surpluses kind of having which would
have to be warrant articles to say any
department surpluses could roll
into the CIP accounts or
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our capital capital funds.
So, helps motivate departments to try
and act fiscally responsible and that
way it helps go towards their purchases.
By act fiscally responsible, you mean
spend less. Spend less, but really think
about it. And then it actually benefits
their programs in the long run. But
rolling the fees over also encourages
them to budget more.
Well, yes, that's a that's a
possibility. It's your job to say no.
So, that's where I think we have to come
in and say, so let's really look at your
budget. what are you doing here? You
know, we're not we're not going to
increase budgets in the hope that it
will roll into that. That's where I want
to be clear with folks that we're really
looking the town has spoken in our last
meeting and I think we all agree to
living in the town. We can't keep
affording these increases constantly
that we want to cut budgets. We don't
we're not going to tolerate them
continuously to grow and to feed these
CIPs. We have to be smart with how we're
managing our money to make sure we're
getting our important things met and
when we can find ways to support
reductions that can go into purchasing
the needed equipment in the future that
is done
appropriately and not extravagantly. It
also suppresses the need to oh we got
money left in our budget let's buy
something. Well, that's the other thing
is that yes, like you know how many
whatever exactly that you're just not
spending money to spend money that it's
done frugally and appropriately. That
could be done properly too is if you're
going to buy something now money that
would otherwise lapse and not put in
next year's budget. But that's what I
think John really
should this year. I I would I would
wholeheartedly disagree because I think
if you if you budget properly and you
have a solid And like if you got I have
if he has culverts to do every you know
every year and he's got I figure about
10 culverts a year what have you. Um
that should be well budgeted. You
shouldn't just shoot for the moon and
then try to just figure out how to spend
that money later on or towards the end.
And and I get what you're saying. You
have some extra in the budget. You can
spend it now. It's not going to get any
cheaper. But um I think if you got
proper planning and you find some
savings during the year, this is kind of
the way to incentivize people to or
department heads to get to the end of
the year. And if you've got a gap in
your budget, say you got 5% or whatever,
there's no rush to spend it. You know,
there's for the reason that you're
talking about you, if you don't need to
spend it, I mean, yeah, you're going to
need those items next year anyway, but
if you if you properly plan, it's going
to be in your budget for next year. So
if you just get to the end of the year,
there isn't this rush to spend that last
five or 10% which is which is
potentially the case. Um then uh yeah, I
think that's the incentive. It's really
not the incentive to cut. It's the
incentive to just not spend
unnecessarily right at the end. I I
think that's a a smarter way to do it.
So let's look at the practical
considerations here of putting them into
putting it into the expendable trust.
That's what we're talking about. So Jake
Dick brought up the meeting and they
briefly touched on it. They didn't go
too much.
Well, they didn't sound opposed to it,
but logistically it
might cover. Yeah. Because those are all
town meeting expenditures, right? Y
trust fun to to fund them. They are to
fund them. Yeah. Well, depends. So, you
have to have articles to put that money
in. If if the agents to expend are the
select board or somebody other than town
meeting, then yes, you're correct. But
if the agents to expend are town
meeting, then um you have to have a
warrant article to put in and a warrant
article to take out. You need a warrant
article to put in. Uh yeah, I was just
saying you have to have war. We have to
be able to get it out too, right? I I
would have to say in regards to like
with the leftover what's remaining it
would be beneficial for department heads
as well as for us for the budget
committee like where last year we
weren't asking for five months to have
like things that were paid in June
reflected in the budget and they weren't
done till January of this year. So like
the insuranceances things like that they
weren't even put in the budget until
January. So, like it looked like some of
these departments had $100,000 plus in
their account, but once all those were
taken out, they didn't. They only had
like maybe $40,000 left. That would be
beneficial to actually have an accurate
amount reflected. So, if like they these
bills were paid in June, actually have
them reflected in the in the budget
instead of waiting till January to
reflect that. That would actually be
really beneficial for department head as
well as us to see exactly what happened.
So, I'm not understanding why what well
like last year like Yeah. property
insurance, liability insurance, vehicle
insurance, none of that was taken out
until January of this year in any of the
budget the
budget do.
Yeah. And they were all paid in June, I
think it was, but this year they've
already been done. Yeah. And part of it
was trying to figure out the actual cost
for each each breakdown. Yeah.
They found the numbers. Um, Primex will
give you an allocation sheet. It
basically spits out by how many vehicles
you have and the cost of the I went
through it like all these numbers are
all out of whack whatever and it all
depends on who before me calculated how
or whatever so but she's done that
already for this year which is good I
asked about asked about the transfers
from
the trust and reserve funds yes that and
those haven't been done yet because of
cash flow which tax bills went up today
by the way everybody the vice president
will vote
So, as you know, when it comes time for
bills to go out, our cash gets pretty
the schools send you invoices at
$200,000 a whack, right? But that's a
smart way to do it, right? Because if
you don't have an impending expense
coming out of that capital reserve as a
result of town meeting or what have you,
funding it from the town meeting vote,
um, delaying that until you have the
cash to do it and not getting a a tan is
is definitely smart. Yeah, that's I like
that. I didn't realize they had done
that. So, those transfers
which I'm assuming done pretty soon once
we start
paying what other expenses would have
been. That's mostly it. Yeah, I think it
was just those. Yeah, those good.
Just a matter of me going through and
calculating them all and say this the
number we're going to the best.
So the the plan here, the way I'm
thinking it is
is budget closes. You look at what's
left and you're writing war articles to
move that money. It'll be approved in
town meeting. So you've got until town
meeting basically to figure out the
numbers. The numbers is there a cap on
what can be
put into it's all going to lapse the
sign fund
balance can use that to either pay down
the tax or fun. Right. Right. And that's
why we got to be in in absolute
agreement with the select board on this
process because if they take that
unassigned fund balance and pay down the
the tax rate with it um then there's no
money to put in the capital reserve as
as promised to the for the um department
heads. So it's got to be which I' like
to get away from anyway until so we can
stop taking up 10. Y but I mean the
unsigned fund balance is really
imaginary number. If you don't have a
cash flow there you don't have cash
there. Well, and one of the things too
is if we don't have our audits done, you
can't spend that money. So, if you have
if you have unassigned fund balance that
hasn't been audited, you can't spend
what's in there. So, you we're spending
money from years ago and we're going to
be catch caught up soon enough. So,
everything will be on the same timeline.
So, that should that should start to
work out much better. We're hoping that
online property tax payments will start
to help the cash flow issue a bit. Speed
up payments. Last year, we were really
late on getting the tax rate set, so
that pushed everything back. So we
really get a good view at it. But we're
hoping that with online
it's the same thing if you pay down the
tax rate or pay down a war the same
day you are giving back.
I think too the um this
um you know the the surplus being
transferred into the capital reserve is
not going to be universal across the
board. Right. Right. because like
welfare department, they don't have any
capital reserve. So that would just go
back into the the general fund. Um the
highway department actually has multiple
capital reserves. So if they had $50,000
left over, um you probably working with
the CIP, the department head and the
select board deciding where does the 50
go? Does it go to those highways and
streets? Does it go to to the highway
department CRF? You know, one is for
roads and streets, one is for equipment,
you know, and how do you want to how do
you want to do that? Um, so I think it's
not going to be universal across the
board, but it will definitely be in some
of our bigger departments. It will be I
think it will be generally helpful.
I think it' be a pretty easy process to
navigate between December 31st and uh
and town meeting.
Hopefully. I think a perfect one would
be the reassessment. Take whatever's
left over in the assessing budget every
year. Yep. Right. Exactly. Yes. If you
pay a
ideally there won't be much in there
anyway because we calculated it
properly. Yep. But if you do have some,
you put it into the reassessment plus
whatever CIP is doing and it might
offset CIP. If CIP is properly built and
you have the right amount of money going
into that fund for our 10-year
assessment or our 5year assessment,
wherever we're at, um, and you know that
you're good with that, then the money
going into you won't have to. So you
won't have to fund it from the CIP.
You'll just fund it from the surplus or
just leave it alone. one or the other.
So yeah, have choic.
Yeah. No, it's their warrant. So if
they're not on board then is all the
warrants really. The whole thing with
the TA is nice to not rely on those
because Yeah. We're paying down the
tax,000. But when you're taking out 40
grand, right? And I asked the auditors
about that. They said towns are starting
to use it less and less. And I said, how
do we get to the
One idea that came up recently I need to
investigate is you know we have all this
money like what I'm really thinking of
right now is the grant funding from the
state that's sitting there collecting
making good interest like why can't a
town why can't we borrow from ourselves
for that cash flow because really the
one issue we have every year is mid
December when the county wants their
half a million dollars that's what it is
every year so why can't we just take
part of that borrow from ourselves once
the tax bills go out start getting money
in put it right back
So it's like a loan for
we're sitting on millions of dollars in
these accounts. Why can't we borrow from
our symbol? Take it out.
I need to ask. Yeah. Well, and I think
the idea is you would just have enough
in surplus to, you know, in the general
fund to just handle it. So, so just so
you know, Troy didn't start taking out
tans religiously until
probably
201 19, 2018, somewhere around there.
Before that, Janet was like hardcore
about dollar. Yep. And she and she was
she I mean they what do they say like
eight to 30% surplus or something like
that is is the standard is a broad
range. Five to seven, right? It's it's
this wide range of what you might want
to keep and it's 5 to 17 of the
operating budget. So guideline too.
Yeah. It's just a guideline. It's not a
law or anything. So you can you can pay
right right down to this 5% hanging
around and then you need a tan because
you don't have enough cash flow to pay
the bills when the big bills come in
because the taxes come in after the big
bills come.
So yeah, so I I think so just so you
know, we were able to do it not not all
that long ago. So but we also had you
know cash hanging around and and I think
Dick's thought process behind it was
don't keep the taxpayers money. Um give
it back to them. you know, don't hold on
to it for the future. But if you're
going to spend $50,000 in 10 interest
because you gave it back to everybody,
everybody's paying money anyway.
Exactly. So, it kind of makes no sense,
but the the other question I have is
should we
restrict
the line item accounts to which ones go
into their ETF?
Limited limited to what they what things
they can actually
like why for what? What purpose would
that serve? I think I think we're
getting too much of the lead there.
Well, I'm just curious. Just a thought.
Like they can get money back if they
don't buy so many band-aids, but they
can't do it if they don't use the salt.
I mean, which lines would Yeah, I'm
thinking things that they have no
control, you know, like maybe
You're noting oil. So, they're not going
to have money left over. It's not a pun,
right? It's not a I mean, they may have
money left over, but it doesn't go into
the ETF. It goes into I think that's
going to make a Warren article a real
nightmare.
I mean, writing think about that.
I'm just No, I hear what you're saying,
but like I feel like that that might be
quite a bit in the weeds and then
breaking that down might be challenging.
You do want to have some surplus. Yeah.
Right.
Well, that's why I was asking is can you
only do a percentage or basically you're
basically shifting your surplus,
right? And I I think I think when we
start when we start grinding out the
math on this, you're going to see that
the surplus comes from a number of
different places and and it may just
work out on its own that there's enough
surplus in whether it's welfare or
places that don't need to be using the
surplus or the CIP has got plenty to
cover cover that and that surplus will
stay in the fun. ly you don't have to
get the tan but it all kind of has to be
worked out mathematically to figure out
you know you almost have to run one year
through it to see it's not going to
happen to all shuffle out the first year
it might not you might look at it and go
you know this doesn't really work let's
do whatever is left of your budget where
we're going to put 50% into your capital
reserve funds and the other part has to
go into the general fund because we need
that to keep from buying keep from
getting a tan so that makes sense
but I think there's I think there's some
meat on that bone regardless. I
definitely wouldn't get granular within
the budget as to, you know, what will
what will go to where should there be
any left over. I would I would do it
more macro. Do it in percentages and
first. They have to be on board. Well,
right. Everybody else has to be on
board. Yeah. These Yeah. This is just
kind of like these are our thoughts that
we're gonna share with the these these
items that
we do strictly so we can spend money
that's going to be reimbursed.
Yep. Like the revolving fun. Yeah. The
revol revolving like police details.
Police details.
Transportation. That's a special. We
have one We have one for the ZBA that
covers postage but we get paid for
postage. Right. So, you're saying like
eliminate those?
No, you have to have it. Yeah, because
they're I think it would kind of come
out in the wash. I mean, that's where
we've always had the issue of connecting
those with the budgets because you don't
it's not always well, but but if you
think about it, you put it in the
budget and you spend it and it comes
back. Yep. So, you haven't really spent
it at the end of the year. Well, you you
did though because we have to have it in
there to spend it and then you could
still have some leftover. I mean, that's
not going to it's I don't think it's
going to affect the end of the year the
revenue comes in. Yeah. To cover what
you spend the building, right? So, it's
it's basically a a bookkeeping thing,
right? There's no real the budget that
we're working on here is appropriated
for this, right? Yeah. And then there
are different sources of income, tax
money, fees, right? They cover them.
Selling hot dogs and hamburgers at the
rec center. Excuse me, the community
center.
Yeah, we don't even know
where the story. But yeah, so right. I
think you know we we appropriate, spend
it, and then in some cases it's
reimbured from other fees. just just
throwing things out. I think what
Steve's basically getting at is it's non
um non- tax revenue, right? So, anything
that is a fee revenue, um whether it's
details for the police department or
fees down at the dump or what have you,
um those are all coming in that are
offsetting the the associated expense.
So instead of just straight from
taxation, um I don't know if it's
important to separate that out or not,
but that's that's we should probably
look at that. That's essentially what
you're getting at. Yeah. See what what
it adds up to. Yep. Is it more than what
we have appropriated? Is that what
you're saying? Well, you're right. No.
No. Just see if it's even worth worrying
about. Okay. You know, if it's if it's a
big enough sum that hey, this is
something that matters.
Okay. Okay. Basically, every year you in
theory you put the money in a budget,
you tax based on a budget and then at
the end of the year you never spend the
money. Um, one of the things one of the
things that you're basically asking for
that we've been asking for for a very
long time is to be able to see the
revenue
side lose that. Yeah. Yeah. And I think
some place in our records we need to tag
those line items that are have revenue
behind just so we know because that was
One of the things I had a hard time when
we started out here was like we know in
a roundabout way is that we just don't
see it on the state the state budget
form that has a revenue side. So it's
all a
guess right but you're putting in there
what you anticipate
taking inspector we would have you know
some sort of number there saying take x
for inspections. So when they do the
formula to figure out your tax rate, how
much money you need to raise from
taxation, there is a number there
whether it's accurate or not. Time tells
most of the time, but there's no
compensation in the figure out. So
you're really not you're really not
taxing the people for an account that
you're also putting in a Okay, that
makes sense. All right, that's cool.
It's kind of like if you have the wrong
number, yes, you are like say we you are
setting the tax rate. You you hope
you've accounted for all of that revenue
that comes in. Yeah. Like
Yeah.
If we if we have a budget of 10 and we
estimate 10 to offset it five $5,000
deficit that you know works it way out
through the
budget process. So I So but but if
historical information too
okay so so let's look at the post that
you
for so everything that goes into
that the applicants paid for right okay
so no
matter if we use half of it it really
doesn't matter because none of none of
the other part went out.
You know, if you if you if we use half,
the other half never got touched, right?
Nobody ever wrote wrote a check for it
or, you know, spent any of it. So,
there's no
liability, you know? It doesn't mean
that we ran a deficit. It's like the
opposite,
right?
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But but if you think about it throughout
the
year that's getting spent and reimbursed
actually it's getting reimbured and
spent. We don't spend it till we have
the money from the applicants. So it's
really like not doing anything. You set
it pretty low and if it got updated
properly it would work. Yeah. But the
that's just not the way municipal
budgeting works though, right? because
you have to raise and appropriate the
funds in order to spend it even though
you have enough to offset it. It's a
little bit like the um the police detail
is the best example of it because it's
basically literally every dollar we
spend is covered by the money coming in,
right? But you cannot spend it without
raising and appropriating it at town
meeting. So, um but you're it's all done
it's all done bulk over the year. Yeah.
And I and I think you're you're circling
around the the point a little bit though
is um in in those departments, you're
not necessarily anything left over in
the budget is um is not one of those
budgets that we're looking at putting
into capital reserve funds because they
just don't have one. EBA doesn't have
one. The special revenue fund shouldn't
have one um for the police offset. Um so
yeah, so that so I think what you're
circling around there is is those are
just the departments that we're not
going to apply to this this program. Um,
but as far as as we're still on goals
here, one of the goals should be we
can't answer a lot of the questions that
you have until we see the revenue side.
And if we were getting an active
reporting from the revenue side, that
should be one of our goals is to is to
request and and start to receive that
information on a regular basis is the
revenue side. Why don't we? Well, some
of it So, some of it comes in like for
instance, um, and this is an Adam
question actually, the treasurer. So,
some of it comes in the way Janet used
to do it. Let's use the transfer station
as an example. The money would come into
the transfer station. They would bring
it up to the the town clerk's office,
record the deposits and stuff for the
month, and then they would go and
deposit into the into the account. Yeah.
Um, so and Janet would track all that on
a spreadsheet. Yeah. So it's not like we
have a point of sales system down there
that's taking in the money and then
making the deposit and we, you know,
whether it's QuickBooks or something
like that where we can just report out
on this thing. So um, it's very manual
to track that account and there's a
number of those accounts. I don't know
how many Adam has, but as far as
revolving type funds, but there's a
number of them. So that's part of it.
Um, now the tax collection, that all
happens through the tax collector's
office and that's all in BMSI and that's
reportable. You can she can print that
off. I'm pretty sure she does all of her
dog licensing and her marriage licensing
and all that stuff right within BMSI and
kind of yeah, excuse me.
A little glitch, but um but anyway, so
so it's not all in one one spot. I think
that's the point. Jenna did really
really good detail the spreadsheets and
we just don't have that. Yes, exactly.
And nobody really wants to put the time
in to do all that which I get. And quite
honestly, we should be building out
those accounts even if they're just
macro level in Avatar on the tax
collector side. We really should like if
there's money coming into the there
should be an account for the uh the
trans transfer station revolving fund.
Yeah. And the money should come in there
and and it should be recorded in Avatar.
They're the next department to take
cards.
Yeah, I heard rumor because they handle
sometimes thousands of dollars. I know.
They bring it over to me. I go through
it all and count it and put it in a
spreadsheet and give Sarah, she counts
it and deposit it. Yeah, there's just a
lot of cash flow. I've talked to other
towns that let their I know in
yeah we've had we've had uh but if you
go of fraud in this town so if you go to
the dump on a Saturday back again right
but we're paying a fee for that aren't
we? What are we paying percentage to the
user? Yeah the user will be paying the
So they're so the the card owner the bag
purchaser will be paying so you pay your
water bills.
So it doesn't and then the department
itself will pay $50. I mean and that's
everywhere. It just you know
all right but you have the check option
and you still have you know you can do
money orders and all that stuff. I
Yeah. It's old school by the people that
that rely on cash they do it.
You don't want to take Bitcoin? All
right. Okay.
All right. So, that's one step too far.
Understanding the revenue side, I think,
would help everybody in the town
understand how and the whole I think
education around the whole appropriation
of funds and how it's important to be in
the budget, but some of them have income
sources that come in to cover it is
right. That right that aren't right out
of the taxpayers's pocket. Exactly. That
I think is is helpful thing to
understand. Now when we say like a
regular basis, how often are we talking?
Like for every meeting that we come have
or like every other meeting? Sorry. For
what? For like regular basis to get that
report. Like are we talking every other
meeting or like every meeting? If we
were talking if we were asking for um
that from from Janet, it would have been
monthly. Monthly. Okay. Very easy to do
a monthly report. So all right. Okay.
Something that gets sent down if you
guys aren't meeting. Yes. I think that
would be really helpful to know. And
then it'll also kind of see how the
tracking of things. Yeah. You see the in
and out of the month, right? When the
busy times are
there's lots of great detail. Well, you
know what? Okay. We'll shoot for the
stars and hit the moon, right?
But in reality, I mean, even if you had
the the month total deposit for and it
was for this this account, that would
be, you know, that' be something. So, we
got to start somewhere.
All right.
We've got our CIP going. We've got a
goal for
revenue. Look towards the select and see
if they are on board with it. They
mentioned the 10% too.
The 10% like the cut. They're not
they're not totally convinced it's going
to be a feasible. Well, you know what?
Again, you know, Everyone everyone's
trying to save money in life in general
because nothing's getting cheaper. So
it's not just personally, it's within
the town as well and it all affects us
personally. So this is a goal for
everyone. I think if we go the right way
and not have the way I don't think we go
10% and say you need to cut your budget
10%, but we need to help people look at
their budgets and go okay let's let's
look about this with a scalpel.
Depending on how the health insurance
plays up too that will help. I in order
to cut cut the town budget 10% you need
the elimin
what the health insurance well I don't
mean just that but I mean if you want if
they make a significant change in that
you know
yeah want to talk about that that could
be 5% these numbers are crazy for health
insurance can we talk a little about
this since it's in the packet
are we are we
Well, no. I think yes. It'd be
interesting to talk about the numbers. I
don't think we have information on it.
Like I think that's the problem with the
health insurance. These are the crazy
numbers that But where are we as far as
looking at other options that are less
expensive? So what happened was
currently in the state house um there
were bills proposed to drastically go
after risk pools and things were so bad
that the health trusts executive
committee got together and took a vote
before the bill even went anywhere. said
if it passes as is December 31st we're
full on tr which would mean like 300
towns in school districts in the state
have no insurance because right now
there's New Hampshire health trust
school care and there was a third party
who's already done that and the
unfortunate thing is when you talk to a
lot of schools in towns they have
blinders tunnel vision like you mention
anything outside of the norm and these
plans like they don't want to talk to
you about it which is unfortunate got an
email today from health trust and they
you know it's like sausage here they
amended the bill it's gone back and
forth between the house and the senate
and it sounds now that everything's all
rosy they're all happy again so it
sounds like they're not going anywhere
but the selectman wanted to look into
this regardless of the result of that if
they had gone through and they were
going away then we' have a choice us and
300 other towns would have to find
another option but it sounds like
survived but um the problem with our
current insurance is that Yes, it's
really, really good. There's no
deductible. I pay $10 for prescription.
I pay $20 to go to the doctor. A lot of
our staff's young and deductible. You
cut a check for $1,300 a month for my
insurance. 85% town, 15% me. Whether I
use it or not, they're cashing that
check. Okay. So, the first question is
these numbers is the total outlay for
insurance.
That's not the actual because some of
that is revenue
offset by the 15% that you're paying
that's in there. Um so the third line
down the total monthly cost the bold for
the town is that's the town cost. Okay,
let's just look at look at annual for.
Okay, total annual cost. Does that
include the that 277 number is the
premiums plus the insurance?
So that's
so that's 24 261 time 12 plus the
buyouts. Yeah. Okay. Now, right now I
mean 2621* 12 plus the buyout. Sorry.
So that that's the actual I just
happened to be just before I got this
email pulling budget numbers on that
same stuff.
I came up with
295 budgeted for health
insurance and 10,000 for
buy comes out to 305 in the budget
for where we were looking at all the
budgets for that just going through.
Y that's across the whole town. Is this
our true cost?
So we talking about true cost versus
budget cost from the invoice. Okay. But
yeah, the budget reflects the
Yeah. Okay. So how' you come up with 305
and how did you come up with 27? I was
looking at the budget amount. He's
looking at the actual monthly spend but
the budget amount was derived from the
actual spend. So department like the PD
they asked for additional full-time
officer and they partially funded it
because we knew we weren't going to hire
somebody January 1. Looks like they're
not going to get anybody certified
anyway. And you hire uncertified. You're
talking a year train. Oh, so you had a
whole So there was also an insurance
line. You don't know if you're going to
hire somebody who's
single right now. You're not So you were
getting numbers from that. Yeah. This is
straight budget. His is really I'm not
saying that you're wrong. I'm just
saying that it's going to be worthy.
Okay. A we don't have somebody in that
position now. B we don't know who it is.
Right. And there's other there's other
positions that are right now. So,
yeah, you could hire a full-time person
today and they could be a family plan
and then that will change these numbers.
Change your numbers or they could be
budgeted for a family plan. I don't
remember Dave and I budgeted for
something,
right? It might be fine on the budget
side, but as far as the actual
expenditure here, it's going to it's it
would change because you're not that's
not accounted for. Right. Correct.
Right. Okay. So, I've got budgeted 295
for health insurance, 12,3
change for
dental,
166,000 for
retirement, 97,000 for social
security, 620 for life insurance,
6,87 for disability, 10,000 for bio for
total employee benefits of 580,000.
I mean, social security benefit maybe,
but we don't we can't really do anything
with social security. That's in
retirement. In retirement, that's like
the town. Once the town voted to you can
some you can police and fire you can't.
Other positions you can offer.
But that that turns off a lot of people
looking for jobs, right? We need
just hire people with the 65.
Wow. They're not They're not good ditch
diggers.
I have a question for you, Jeremy. I
think I asked this question. Do the
employees pay anything?
Oh, their insurance like health 15%.
Health and dental.
Town pays 85.
Is this is just health? This isn't
dental in here, right? Am I missing?
Well, dental Well, no, I'm just saying,
but this is just health.
Not long. Chances are there's not going
to be a lot of money to be saved. Well,
right. I'm just saying that's what we're
looking at here. Yeah, you can play
around with that number. Our buyout is
higher than almost anybody.
Most towns are like, "What?"
Usually, now or something for buyout.
No, it's 10. It's 10 for us, but not
everywhere else. I'm a single plan and
that's 13 grand a year. So even if I
didn't take it and we gave you $10,000
check, you still see the school offers
me five grand for way higher. But so you
have to look at that number. Are other
have other towns looked at their health
insurance and gone with different plans
then that are less expensive? So I went
to I don't think we want to be the only
town that does that.
We do want to get ahead of health trust
going belly up. I think a lot I think a
lot of towns aren't willing to have
their conversation to start with which
is a problem. Um, but when I went to the
annual meeting last year for health
draws,
which probably one of the most boring
things, I don't know, but the sense that
I got from the room was it was a lot of
the larger towns that have unions that
were speaking
they were just saying that um uh like
Lebanon and not like cities but larger
towns or whatever, but they were saying
how
because they have to agreements they
have, you know, usually you want to take
something away, you give something or
whatever, but uh they were You could
just tell from the way they were talking
that they were hurting and feeling it
and they were looking at other ways.
They needed to look for other ways to
Has anyone has anyone done any and has
any I know Wilton was with um so it used
to be health trust. Yeah. School care
and then the third was called interlocal
trust. Yeah. The other one's going belly
up. He just frantically out of nowhere
had to find a new
time and I think schoolare took them.
But I don't know what their longterm
plan is. But most towns didn't even have
the dialogue. So nobody
wait. So no other town has looked at
their health insurance and tried to find
a more way.
So we'll be kind of like but the idea
was to maybe switch over to a plan with
a higher deductible but have the town be
willing to fund it. So then that way
you're actually paying for insurance as
they use it, not just cutting a check
every month saying you go help us. What
is the likelihood of this actually
happening? I mean, I think it's pretty
high for us. We have to find the right
fit, but I think the board's on on board
with that
for previous experience. I know there's
options out there to do it most. So,
there's your goal. That's a nice That's
a nice goal, right? Like you have it all
laid out right there. So, when you're
So, I've been talking with insurance
agency.
insurance. It's different. Insurance
information.
She's um giving some quote so far
meeting with her Thursday
to kind of figure out how do we bridge
that gap in between? So if we go to a
high deductible plan, how do we find in
between my card, right? you know, if you
totally switch it from no deductible to
5,000 deductible, no helpable, you know,
you're taking away a year, right?
Well, I think a lot of us too, like who
have insurance through different ways,
too, like, you know, that's kind of the
way of the world right now. Nobody has
the gold standard. I'm hopeful there's a
way that the town can switch to a higher
deductible plan. Find a middle ground to
fund it and offset that. I think this is
I think you find a higher deductible
plan. I never did get this card.
Do you want to show us what your
insurance is cheap? No, because it's
nice. It's changed. I um Yeah, I think
you can find the high deductible plan
and fund the plan for way less than what
we're doing here. And that money rides
in those accounts if they don't use it.
So, you know, whether it's a health
savings account or a reimbursement
account. So, all right. So, we'll stay
tuned to hear what comes out of that.
But
Let's be a trend setter on this one.
Absolutely. So my my goal of the meeting
is to have you know few options.
Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't even know
right now it's like they don't know. So
it's my job to find out. When you when
you said
selfunded you didn't mean actually pay
for
claims. You meant pay for the insurance
up to the high deductible. I didn't I
didn't say so. I mean like um you know
switch over a plan where you're actually
paying out for for services used on a
certain kind of check but but the
term self-funded that yeah just they
just bring the bills into the town and
you pay no third party there's I don't
speak insurance but I it does sound that
way there's some weird juju magic how
they manage because years and years ago
I worked for a place we had our dental
plan was bring us the bills which drove
the doctors crazy. It's I'm like just
build a company. They're like what
what's your
parents? No, build a company. So just
just keep in mind when you come back to
talk to us about this, we need it from
on like the idea of a computer like from
like step one. This is what I mean by
this language because there's a lot of
strange language in the insurance world.
I've already learned new new plans and
stuff.
I mean the the other thing that I've
seen done is you
give you offer a range of plans and you
give them x number of dollars a year you
pick what you want that you can use to
fund the plans and a lot of companies do
that some place some places will pay for
your insurance but if you have dependent
yeah which I don't not saying you should
go that way but you know a lot of people
wanted a better plan there were better
plans available but you had to pay out
of pocket yeah we'll give you 5,000 you
$6,000 will be 5,000 and 5,000 will buy
this plane. I mean one one of the
bargaining chips I've always used that
people working in the public sector you
know being rich and not make a lot of
money but your benefits are pretty good.
Yeah, it used to be. But then again, if
you're not using it, it's not anymore.
You're not using the
insurance money,
right? Then there's there's two
different health type accounts. There's
a reimbursement account, which is FSA or
HSA or what? FSA and HSA, they're two
different things. Yes. Okay. The FSA is
a flexible spending account and if you
don't use it by the end of the year,
they lose it. But there's also a
savings. There's an Yeah, there's an HSA
where you can save it and it rolls over.
There's another one too.
Okay. Well, we don't need to Some of
them are certain. You can only fund so
much. I know. We're not We are not going
to solve insurance here. No, I'm just
talking about firms. It's confusing. And
that's why I'm saying when you come back
come back from like how do I turn the
computer on point of view with the
insurance
what do you do right now if somebody's
on
Medicare you have one retiree that has a
separate
plan through the town
so these These numbers here on the
bottom, that's per department.
That's currently what we're paying out.
Is that different plans? Oh, yeah.
That's that's part of the staff. Yeah.
Yeah. If they got a single, if you got a
staff, if you got three staff in one
department and three staff in another
department, one of them only has singles
and the other one office. You have my
single plan and you have Ebie and Sarah
who both have the bio. Okay. Sarah
really wanted to switch this year and
before she got her raise, she's like, I
honestly got she probably shouldn't be
down here. She's like, I honestly want
to switch, but I need the money. I was
like, yeah, well, we all need the money.
Yeah, but her plan right now with her
dad is stay.
So, so this is the the monthly premiums
are
Yeah.
single place single two and then a
family and a family is three or more.
Some people do split. They do dental
family and insurance single person.
It's a whole thing. All right. All
right. Why don't we move on because
we're not I was gonna ask one more
question. All right. One more question.
Steve, if if they have other insurance,
will these uh become supplementals if
they opt in on them?
insurance. I don't think you can do
that. I don't think insurance companies
will.
They Yeah, it'll basically what I can
say basically if you have one and your
spouse has one, theirs is their primary,
yours is your primary and theirs becomes
your secondary.
So,
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not there's some weird laws around that
businesses and I'm not I don't I'm not
an insurance person. And I just
different companies different or even
the same company. Yeah. I can get
insurance through the school. My husband
can be the primary insurance carrier. I
can get insurance through the school and
use that if his insurance some companies
won't do that. Insurance.
Well, it's something to
learn. There's lose money. Probably not.
That might raise the cost. Yeah. So,
okay. Well, it might be built in and you
might be able to see I thought people
wanted to be out by seven.
Oh, I didn't know we were under.
All right. So, Mr. Obert, are you doing
something with pie charts? A yes or no
is okay. Not yet. I haven't had I
started looking at it. Um I found a way
to take the data that comes out of your
reports and make a nice clean a nice
pretty thing.
Nice. All right. So, I've got that's
good way to get things in the database
and that's what I'm working on right
here to get it. So, maybe next time we
can throw it up on the screen. So,
whatever you have, we can just look at
it and see we can all oo and a how
beautiful it is. Right. Right. Right now
it's not now. It's not beautiful. Okay.
All of the line items
just stacked sorted by the type. Okay.
But it groups
I've got all the advertising in one
place and all all of that stuff. So
that's a start.
So in order to um establish
whatever cut goal that we're looking at,
right? Like because I I I envisioned
this as meeting saying we want to do a
10% because they did it right at town
meeting. Then we haven't figured out the
hard part. Um, so I almost I was
thinking we would start with a 10% cut
across the board, right? Like like a
mock budget of 10%. Do that as soon as
possible so that we can start to
theorize that amongst ourselves before
we we might look at it and go, "Holy
crap, there's no way we're doing this."
You know, so we might be at 5% or we
might be at 2% or might be just let's
try to make sure the budget's even going
into next year so there's no increase.
And that's maybe where we end up. But if
we start the 10%, work our way up or
work our way down, um we can at least
explain at town meeting that we did that
went through that exercise. But we've
got to start there and we probably have
to start there soon because if we do
realize that, you know what, I think a
3% cut budget cut is actually realistic.
We need to notify department heads about
that. We need to talk with the select
board about that. Um and it is the
operating budget. So the operating
budget belongs here. So if we're going
to be doing that, we need to be letting
people know well in advance before we do
it, right? So, so would you would you
say the first step in doing this would
be to go through and identify the stuff
that you can't touch
sort of fixed? Yeah, that that's what I
would do is I I'd go line by line and
look at like is is um yeah, I would look
at it line by line and look at the
things that are that are fixed costs.
Um, one of them might be that if the
healthcare thing works out and Jeremy
finds that that high deductible plan, I
guarantee you that's going to be a a
nice chunk. You say once we have a more
clear picture on how we should have
three to 5% what's it what what's the
deductible now the health insurance
start none zero it's awesome you know
it's so expensive it's like 1950 here in
it's time to you know I don't use
$13,000 I agree I agree get rid of flint
flintstone I know it wouldn't take much
to use $13,000 this is what we're
talking about like we've got to get with
like the current
practices. Years ago, I saw proposals of
towns going from this to like basically
after um the Affordable Care Act came
out. We must be the last town in the
state. People started figuring out
people started figuring out how to work
with the affordable care act. I saw
proposals for towns where they went from
our health trust type plan to total
switch to everything's like max
deductible for everybody. And then I saw
the math where say you had 15 people
employees on your plan the whole town
and in that one given year every single
plan max deductible which we all know
would never
happen better chance of getting stuck
lighting twice or buying the power twice
and even with that math the town would
still save money covering those
deductibles. The bottom line is we're at
the health insurance industry mercy in
the in the doctors and the hospitals.
You know, you get one bill, they bill
you this, but if you don't have health
insurance, then you get a discounted
bill, which is a real bill. Not always.
Actually, it's usually the other way
around. You know what happens with
health insurance company pays this? You
know what happens with health every
year? We get a letter from them every
year saying how much ours is going up.
This is this is why it's going up. Oh,
that's where Mary was figuring out
everybody's amount
for that. So that's why I'm saying we're
not going to fix it here in Troy, but we
don't need to pay for gold standard
insurance.
That's what we're waiting to find out.
Thing that I've seen insurance policies
is the difference in the annual cost
between several policies that look the
same except have different deductible is
the amount of the deductible. Yeah. That
is the variation for what you're paying
for. Yeah.
I mean, if if you if you had one plan,
it's like, okay, it's $1,500 deductible,
let's say, and you wanted one with zero
deductible, it cost you another $1,500 a
year. So, I'm not sure
that paying deductibles would actually
save you money based
on other Jeremy's going to report back
with some fabulous information. Start
with stupid so we understand. I didn't I
didn't mean to bring health care back
up, but I think probably so the way you
want to do it, Steve, is is I would do
by department, right? What does a 10%
cut look by department, right? And then
that's going to give us kind of a
starting block and and then you can and
you start to drill down from there. That
would be the first drill down I would
do. And that would save you from
drilling down right off in the right off
the beginning because I think it's going
to kind of expose itself as to how far
we need to drill down to determine um if
this is going to work or not. And we do
know healthcare is one of the biggest
components. What is that 10% of our
overall budget? 7.5.
Okay. So 7 and a half% of our budget is
that we're obviously not going to be
cutting all that. But if Jeremy comes
back early enough with some of the um
projected numbers, right, because you're
going to start talking about these
numbers, those plans and and prices are
out there. Um maybe we can then start to
plug that in and see what that how that
affects each of these budgets. Like if
we actually end up saving this amount of
money on healthcare, then we know that's
going to be the biggest chunk. What does
that left what does that leave us to
have to cut for the rest of that budget?
Um that's kind of how I would I would do
it. Now, going off the back, do when do
I was going to say when would be the
next time we meet and do we want to kind
of follow how we have it set up? So,
we're not going through the entire
budget all at once. We break it up into
like how we are meeting for like water
and library. We the next ones we go
through and then we go through like
historical chest. So, we kind of break
it up by department. So, we're not going
through the entire budget all at once.
So, I got to thought about that. That's
okay. So I I get what you're saying, but
I don't think we have enough time for
that. So I would say I would say that
that we would we wouldn't want to drill
down. We wouldn't want to do line by
line. That's why I was saying just do by
by department budget as a macro number,
you know, and then take some of the big
key items within that budget to try and
see what we can cut with those and then
move on, you know, so we can we can get
through a whole bunch of the budget in
or maybe all of it here for a while.
But I would say focus on the bigger
budgets. Well, yeah. We don't we
probably don't even have to really talk
about some of the smaller budgets. You
take 10% out of the ZBA budget, it's
it's got postage and that's it. Yeah.
There isn't really anywhere to save
except the bigger bud or the smaller
budget. Exactly. I think ZBA is the
smallest budget.
So, is there a way to like
who wants to look at go about doing
that. Yeah, that's always how do we
break it down? Yeah. Um I I thought
Steve was was hungry for this and I
would certainly be willing to help with
whatever Steve wants me to help with. I
can help but my technology expertise is
not fabulous. But I would love to learn.
Yeah, just plan on the first half an
hour just trying to figure out how she
gets logged in.
Your thought we spent 26 minutes in his
microphone.
My mic was off the whole time. I'm like
I'm like um well I hate to break it to
you but that was me. I'm typing too.
What the hell are you doing? Which was a
relief but anyway. Yeah. No, I would
like to learn but yes I'm a little All
right. So maybe we can kind of talk okay
separately and see how that might work.
Okay. Um I'm going to try to figure out
who's got the biggest budgets and Okay.
Budget cut subcommittee. Steve, Ben, and
Jamie. Yeah. Do do you want to, like I
said, go through the type of line items
that were untouchable.
Can
we I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I
I do better live than the on computer
meeting stuff.
No matter what I do. Yeah, if we want to
get together and meet and kind of look
at that how we could do make that happen
technology wise and then we can present
it at our next meeting here and say this
is what we kind of looked at. That makes
sense in a large scale like I'd be open
to doing that.
Oh, okay. Yeah, that would be great.
Maybe meet here. If we go to town hall,
we can have Jeremy. Well, I'll come
here, too. Well, fine. Okay. Whatever.
Mileage. I'll come pick you up.
So, we'll work that out. All right.
We'll work out. Yes. And that way we can
have that information. All right. Do we
want to talk about impact fees? We don't
have the select board here because that
they're kind of dragging on, right? What
was the discussion about impact fees
from us? Impact fees is like when people
when a planning board like when a
permit's issued for someone building
something new, it's like how I know I
know what they are, but What was the
discussion we had
like the idea came up last year like
let's sort of a warrant it's not that
easy you have to go through the process
and it's really a combination between
the planning board and select board
right so they wanted to have a
conversation with Carol and the way her
schedule worked she was never going to
be able to come to a sequence meeting so
that's why we had the joint meeting a
couple weeks ago whatever where two of
the select were there she couldn't make
it but um just had a dialogue
Basically, a lot of towns are spending
big money to have a consultant go
through and make this pretty impact
schedule. I don't need to get that done,
but basically you have six years to
spend the money. So, you could call it
you could establish an impact fee
tomorrow, but next time you where you
know you build a new house and x amount
of dollars is charged an impact fee. You
have to dictate where it's going to go.
Like some towns will do roads. Some
towns will do div up or whatever. But so
you have to say where it's going, how
you're building it. You have to spend it
within six years if you're supposed to
give it back.
And there's two different ways to do it.
I don't remember all the details about
Do we have enough I was going to say of
that to spend money on a fancy
consultant and all the energy that's
going to take to put into it to have
that kind of like the dialogue with the
master plan, right? Southwestern
Community Services
region planning. So they're gonna come
back with a quote for how much it's
going to be to work at our master plan.
We're just waiting for how big that's
going to be. So yeah, the question of
what it's going to look like and what
you're going to charge, how much you're
going to charge and where it's going to
go.
They just had their preliminary first
discussion with Carol board. Yeah.
Somebody's going to have to down and
figure out how much it's going to have
to go on next year's ballot. All right.
I mean, they're pretty they're pretty
common, but there's a less strict way of
doing it and some towns have opted into
that way and apparently they're not
actually following through with it. So,
it's kind of like a waste of effort. We
don't need to burn money, right? We
don't need to put effort into something.
Yeah. So little update on that is that
at this point in time we are looking at
working just with Carol and that'll just
be a little bit in addition to our
consulting budget impact fees or for
master plan that one of the Did you guys
get a quote yet or no? They did not get
us a quote yet, but we did
um look for instead of the quote for
them doing more just for um looking at
the land use change since our last
master plan update. Um and that was
going to be about
$700. Um
that would be Carol that would that'd be
through Southwestern.
Um actually I think that Henry
is that's one of his department.
Um so we are working on just basically
doing an update to the vision and the
land use
um section. Those are the two required
sections. The rest of it is optional.
And I mean a couple weeks
ago, I don't think it was at the line
where came in, but in our discussions
about the master plan
update, it became apparent, at least to
me, that
um the planning board did not really
have
any desire for change or anything. It's
updating for the sake of updating. So,
we believe that we can do this somewhat
affordably. Again, that
$700 number that we heard last time. And
I think they're going to be cut down the
line. Yeah. Do they talk about impact
fees again or um that we're not going to
really be touching that until we have
the master plan
update rolling.
So, I mean, I'm sure that we will bring
it up, but it's just it won't go
anywhere. It sounds like a next year
project,
next year or end of the year or
something that we don't really have
anywhere to go with it at this point in
time.
Potential additional revenue. Well, I
like I like the approach on the on the
master plan update because frankly, it's
just put on the shelf and collected dust
since 2007. So, yeah, most people agree
that it's pretty good. Yeah. No, we got
a great I think we spent all kinds of
money on it the first time around and
we've got a great master plan.
Hopefully, a lot of it still, you know,
we're just anticipating the quote to be
I mean, they didn't budget anything for
it to begin with. Exactly. And that
again we're looking at it and like our
survey from last year basically people
still felt the same way that we were
seeing no
major changes. We're
not and again looking from the board's
perspect listening to the discussion at
the board that's like we're not wanting
to make a major change for something
updating for the sake of updating. So
hopefully
okay all right yeah updated master plan
makes the cip legitimate makes the
impact fees legitimate so that's also
that how often you supposed to update it
But if nothing has changed, then that's
kind of silly to invest tons of money.
Exactly. Right. There was the survey
that came out of town folks are not
thinking we need to do anything crazy.
Why are we Exactly. One of our meetings
there
that a member even said, "Well, how
about we just eat it into AI?"
So that at that point in time it becomes
apparent that okay we're not trying to
change something because something's
changing the town right that we're
updating when Ronda was going after we
had update our emergency management plan
right you know what those plans we do
that was good though they did get
updated now they're we don't
want but you're actually legally
required to update
There we go.
Um I I don't anyone have anything in
particular about the bud the year-to-
date budgets that they want to point
out? Um I looked at I went right down
through and um I thought everything was
looking pretty good. You know, just
Yeah, the end numbers. Yeah, the end
numbers were looking good. Um yeah,
we're 41 this as of this date. We're 41%
of the way through the year. And um we
have in most departments we have more
way more than 41% left. I mean 60 60% of
the budget left. So
it was good.
I went
just just juggling through there's
there's stuff that's in probably posted
the wrong place
because there is zero zero dollar item
lines with money against them and no.
Yeah. So that's a good point though,
Steve, but on our goals list, and it's
not necessarily our goal, but it would
be nice not to have to because what the
budget committee does on a regular basis
is we are the audit firm for the
transaction entries, which we really
should not that should absolutely not be
that that way. It should be some sort of
dual control going on in your office,
Jeremy, where where on a month-
over-month basis, somebody goes back
through and just looks through all the
transactions and looks for, you know,
red flags like that and says, "Okay,
this can't be right because we've over
spent that budget line by 200% or
something." Zero, you can't charge
anything. Zero, you can't put anything
in there. So, you know, just little
things like that. It would be nice to
adopt a process within the selection's
office to catch that so that when we're
going into the budget season, we're not
doing this what Steve was doing.
Basically looking at him going, "What's
going on here?" I wasn't looking for
that. I was just looking at something.
Yeah, we like Steve's free labor. Well,
no, but then it's that throws things
off. I mean, if things aren't going into
the right account and you know, we
haven't appropriated any funds. If
there's a zero, that should be like a a
signal that some we're putting something
here that shouldn't be going here. What
would be nice is if we could put this
kind of thing into a requirements
document and then feed them to me and
I'll see if there's something I can do
with the database.
Okay.
I'm I'm trying to design the database
here looking at stuff and it helps to
know what you want to do. How are you
how are you building the database? Are
you getting it from this report? Are you
able to transfer that in? Yep. No
Good. Good for you. That's that's good
because it is hard cutting back
shifting his priorities. It's it's hard
to do the delimination on on this report
because then it and it comes out it's
it's if you get it exported in Excel,
it's just it doesn't come out right.
Well, the trick is to to take the PDF
and do one online PDF to spreadsheet
things and then it it comes out as it
comes out. Okay. All right. I hope you
guys are ready for to give me the
weekend for this technology.
Too.
All right. Okay. But the the question
comes in is if you want to actually look
at actuals, they need to be done on a
reg on a regular basis. So you can do
percentage, you know, what happened in
Janu, we need like a report at the end
of January, February, that kind of
thing. So can we add that to the list of
reports that Sarah puts out? So the
budget committee gets a the full budget
once a month. You know, the departments
get a
budget a consistent day like the first
day of the month or Right. Right. Right.
As of as Yep. As of as of the last day
of the month, I would that's how I would
do it. And I um because because the
departments get them on a monthly basis
or I don't know how regularly they're
getting them, but that's what they're
supposed to. And if the budget committee
just got a full budget on a on a monthly
basis, that'd be slick. That would serve
your purpose, right, Steve? Yeah. I
mean, this this report has a period,
expendables, and a current year. Yes.
And basically, they're the same all the
time because the period is set to the
full year. Yep.
So, just changing that would probably
help. Boy, we are nerds.
Well, you need to go back and month by
month now or is it too late to not worry
about It's not that hard. Not important
right now. I'm I'm working on design
stuff here. Let me do let me know and
one of these days I'm going to have some
time. I'm going to come and sit with
you. I'm going to look and see what I
already warned Sarah so she knows it's
coming.
Oh, you're no fun.
So that the end of our budget questions
for the moment. So now next meeting you
want year to date once a month on the
same same day. Yeah, we want revenue.
Yeah, revenue.
Yeah. Yeah. I think what Steve was
saying there is in that year to date
report, you would you would set the
parameters for the period expend the
expenditures for only that month. Is
that right, Steve? So, you'd still have
a year date number on there, but you
would have just these. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
that sounds that's pretty awesome.
Because you want to be able Yeah. build
it up over, you know, pull that column,
dump it in the database. Now you can
look at at how where it went wrong. got
a June 1st date instead of May
for the month of May we get
your your year to date as of date would
be May 31st and your period um
parameters would be May 1st through May
through the 31st that's how you would
set it and the good news is that you you
can go back and do
this you know it's not like well we
missed the date I would be flipping
through a paper a pencil and paper book
doing that
All right. Well, I'm trying.
Oh my god. That's what I grew up with.
I didn't work. I remember that. Yes. I
see the cash dispersement sheets.
I know. Way out there. All right. Any
old business?
Everybody look away. Any public comment?
No. No public presence.
All right. Next meeting. Oh, schedule
the next meeting. Okay.
Um, should we get one a month?
So, after July 7th, I'm not I'm not
available. What are we going to do?
Committee then? Yeah. Like starting July
7th, I'm I'm never available again.
Sounds like a plan. Not available for
I'm going to need more than a month.
It's pumpkin season, isn't it? No, not
yet.
That that plays a role, too.
All right. So, after July 7. Oh, well,
the week we're not But before that would
be better.
The fourth.
No, we're not doing the fourth. Um, oh,
good lord. Do we want to meet on the
30th? I mean, do we think we can figure
out the 10%. I think so. Absolutely. And
that because we really have to because
we otherwise we're not just not going to
get has no time to get it done. All
right. So, June 30th, I think that's
6 o' I might be then.
That's the first day of summer camp.
You can come with coffee.
Have coffee. I want to have him.
Tristan can come and ride. I'm tired.
table.
It's a Monday. It's a Monday. This room
is pretty safe on Monday. Oh, right.
That's right. Can we have this room on
Monday? I didn't see any bookings for
Monday's period. So, all right. Cuz the
library is closed. Okay. Are you going
to add us to the calendar? I will. All
right. Thank you.
All right. So, what do I say? Are we Oh,
I'll I'll take a motion to adjourn. Is
that I'll I'll move that we adjourn this
meeting at 7:28 p.m. Yeah. too.
That's Al's version of the second. All
in favor? I
That was a unique second. I liked that.
All right. Good night. Good day. All
right. So,