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Building Committee Meeting 9/15/26

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saying, you know, we don't even
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you in.
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>> and then I couldn't find it anymore.
>> Yeah. Why don't you get a hold of us?
>> Pick them up Tuesday after election got
a hold of
>> this will be very out of that here.
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of days.
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>> I can care less.
>> That's all you have to say.
>> I have an MRI tomorrow.
>> So, okay.
>> We're live.
>> I was wondering
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>> Disability.
>> Okay, we'll talk later.
So,
>> okay.
Now, I know everyone has received the
minutes from July 21st a couple of times
over.
That was the last meeting we had.
>> Yes.
>> Um, so does everyone remember the
minutes? Did you all have a chance to
look at the minutes?
>> Reading them right now.
>> I I read them two months ago, but I
don't recall having any.
>> Make a motion accept the minutes on July
>> 21st.
>> Okay.
Any discussion?
No. Everyone in favor?
>> I.
Seconded. All
right. Obviously, we have not met in a
very long time.
Um, we've had an awful lot of
obstacles that have come across
in this whole
process and project.
What I'd like to do is just kind of
throw it out there of where we're going
to go from here. We're working on a
police chief, so to
build up a police department again. I
mean, we're working on it. Um
hopefully we will have someone soon.
It just I don't know if we're going to
need it to the degree that we have been
looking at.
What I'd like to see still is to get the
people out of that modula into here and
get something back here. Um, safe for
meetings
and maybe a space to hold aside, you
know, for when we have our police
department.
And I know that's kind of putting the
fire department on total hold for now.
Um, but that's my thought. I don't know
what anyone else's thoughts are
with this.
>> I My thought would be I still think we
need to focus on our latest plan, which
was the drawing that we did the first
time that we took.
>> Um,
>> I don't think that one. No, there was
>> seven Oaks passing. I think we need to
focus on that which encompasses future
police department growth, fire
department usage and space for us to um
which doesn't have to be a meeting room
if we have to downsize that whatever but
we can pull the apparatus out for
meeting if we have to just like they do
in all these other communities. Town of
Conway as big as they are. Anybody
looked at the front page of the Conway
deal sign when they just had the
primary, it showed their town clerk tax
collector setting up all of the stuff in
their highway garage.
>> Wow. Yeah.
>> And that's the town of Conway. So
>> So you're saying uh basically leave the
police station like it is?
>> Leave that plan that plan that was try
to encompass
>> with the bay and all that.
>> Try to encompass some fire department
usage. Correct.
>> In this police station
>> in this building that goes out back
>> that goes out back here. Right.
>> Right. So, it's basically we had a
footprint that was prepared by Lee.
>> That we originally So, we I kind of the
way we left it, if memory serves me
correct, was we still take that
footprint
>> and maybe we just change a little bit on
the
>> a little bit on the interior. Right.
>> So, you want to add a fire station,
police station, and conference room.
>> The conference room is the fire station.
Gotcha.
Great.
So then you pull stuff out and that
becomes our town hall town meeting
space.
>> This was the two annual meetings that
we're talking about. This one
was okay
>> because I'm sticking to my guns that the
growth that we are seeing in this
community is nuts. the amount of people
that sound that signed up on primary
day.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Um the amount of building permits, the
mil, you know, just that the houses not
staying on the market.
Um that cabin across from my
grandparents. 5 hours. That sold in five
hours cash.
>> That was 300,000.
>> 300,000 cash.
>> Nice. Look, I looked the inside. I saw
the big the looked pretty nice.
>> Yeah. and the the lot that was clear
across from the Davis meeting house
>> 136,000.
>> Is that what you're asking for that? I
was looking
>> but the guy was he had a building
permit. He actually came I was out there
the other day with Rebecca and Stan. He
came and he goes can I get my money
back? And we're like no. He goes I'm not
building now. He goes I don't want that
guy for a next door neighborhood. He had
full he was he had a he was going to
build a three-bedroom house today
garage.
>> What changed his mind?
>> Yeah. He changed his mind. Now lost the
sale.
>> What changed his mind? the next door
neighbor guy's driving him nuts. The guy
that sends us emails all the time that
he got out of his own pocket to have a
sign erected on the side of the road.
>> Oh, right. Speed limit optional.
>> It's very small letters. I had to stop
to read it.
>> Oh, no. The growth is tremendous.
>> Cheryl Forier's place then.
>> Yeah. You're going back at
>> going Well, well, yeah. Yeah,
>> cuz the like they went he went to school
with Lee.
>> Yeah.
>> No, the growth is really I the new
people that were interested was
incredible.
>> We've already got a plan.
>> So rather than
>> augment that you've got a footprint you
could work with, right?
>> So we want to stay with the same square
footage.
>> You that is up for certainly up for
debate amount of square footage. I mean
this could either do this is already on
archicat so this can go this way it can
go this way without a lot of effort.
>> So on the police station do we really
need a sadly bay
>> I don't know what the sally port
>> we do.
>> Yeah I think so I think I think so.
>> So yeah it seems like there
>> it was but
>> there was a strong conversation to keep
that
>> and it's not just for like securing the
evidence per se. It's also for um
maintenance of the car. So like right
now, if you guys remember, it's called
the car wash bills that we get.
That's because they take it down all the
city,
>> right?
>> Scrub a dub something.
The hell is it called? It's called
something else anyway
because they in the winter time they're
not washing the in the driveway.
So if we make accommodations
for both this and the fire department so
that we can rinse trucks off apparatus
and vehicles off.
>> Now there was storage in there too,
right? We had storage built in. Was that
going to be
um above
because we had discussed
something like in the rafters or a
second
>> that might have been in the second round
of buildings or maybe it was part of
that and I just
>> don't remember it. I don't.
>> So 50 by 60 for the fire department
sufficient
>> one day one bay door or two bay doors?
>> Two
>> 14 footers. Yeah.
>> So, one fire truck and one ambulance or
what are you playing?
>> I'd still want to do the double length
base.
>> So, we can stack the trucks
>> 60 ft. You can
>> I think that's what we had come up with,
I believe. So,
>> so you want to come out the backside?
>> Well, you turn that building, Leo, too.
>> yeah,
>> just one.
>> You put the police department next to
the here.
>> Sure, why not? And just I mean,
>> yeah, I agree.
And we got enough room to come back
around the back
>> or
as we said now we're here
>> or that wasn't coded at that point.
>> We we never got through that.
>> We never got that far
>> because this will most likely become our
meeting space.
>> Correct.
>> Well, the fire department for uh voting.
>> Yeah. Well, it als we also if the land
use boards come in here,
>> we need to do this somewhere,
>> right? So, we have to sort that out,
>> And then the sally port, cuz the
original plan was the salt goes like
this. The the sun, you know,
>> there's still a conference or training
room on in the fire burn, right?
>> Right. Yep.
>> No reason that can't be the
communal meeting space. You know, it
doesn't need to be just for us or just
for people.
>> Patrol room, salad court, evidence room.
There's not actually.
>> I know.
I mean,
>> but if we take the square footage and
like like I said, reconfigure it,
>> right? Reconig.
>> There's something that's very high
pitched right now that's really ringing
in my head. Holy smokes.
>> I can't wait until you get your ear
fixed.
>> You got tinitis?
>> No, I have that.
>> Me, too. So it's ringing all the time.
>> I have a sudden acute uh
>> So I got I have an
>> auditorial nerve loss.
>> Yay.
>> Completely deaf in my right ear
spontaneously.
>> Try like a
>> They're actually doing that Friday.
>> That's okay.
>> I tested for Bell's palsy.
>> Okay. I mean, usually you get facial
paralysis with that, but I've seen it
with just ears as well.
>> All right. Back in a building.
So, if you want to put a fire truck and
ambulance in there and we still need a
meeting room, you don't want to change
the police department. We're going to
have to increase the square footage.
>> I I don't see why we can't make the
police department.
>> Let's be realistic because I think that
right there says
>> to me, I think it's too big. I mean,
yeah, we could probably move the wall.
>> And it's no shade at any of them. And I
tried making this comment before and it
didn't go well. But remember that the
the officer that's on spends 90% of
their shift in their car anyway. You
know what I mean? They're not
>> shoot.
>> Yeah. The police station is not like the
fire station where that's where they
stay until something happens.
>> What was it? 80 ft.
>> This was 60 by
>> Yeah. 60 by 80.
>> 60 by 80. 30 ft was uh for a police
station
>> long story
closet.
>> So we can put out stuff in there.
>> So we could probably squeeze this down
in here.
>> Make this like a black like a conference
room type
>> conference room. Yeah.
>> Yeah. So we need to still keep the fire
trucks in that door.
>> Well, we just have to reconfigure in
here. That's all.
>> Yeah. Get this out of
>> As long as we have some storage cuz that
that's a big too. We need storage.
>> What was this?
>> I don't know.
>> That's a bedroom, isn't it?
>> Troll room.
>> That's why I said that can be
>> God.
I'm assuming they'll still need the
evidence locker.
>> Oh, yeah. We don't need a
>> what are we're uh
>> is it one third of the is a patrol room.
you don't need all.
>> So, the the thought I have in my head,
and I know we've talked about this, and
Chris brought up when he talked with
Josh Battles,
>> and I believe Lisa might have weighed in
on it as well, is that if we had a
building with one roof line all the way
down through, but we don't need a high
ceiling
on that side of the building.
So I mean if we took the area we needed
for what we call our meeting space fire
days. Yeah. Wherever that long demising
wall is that section of building is you
know 10 or 12t walls. The other ones are
14 or 16 foot walls
>> and you get a little bit of gable.
>> Mhm. and and that may help with that
division of that space if indeed we get
into the u the sprinkler thing if that's
a poss still because we never really got
a solid answer because all of a sudden
we just kind of we all were you know
bailed back and when we had the whole
heat issue so
>> right
>> we we never went back and forth to get a
firm answer from Sean on that so we'd
have to restart that
>> but if there's a way to design it
>> Mhm. that avoids to be able to avoid
that then that's how we should design it
>> right I agree
>> so would would we need sprinklers in the
fire station
>> well see I don't know the answer to that
you know I don't I you know I think
possibly yes but I I can't I can't
answer that
>> it most likely be yes because it's
becoming a multi-system
flat out said you could avoid the
sprinklers if it was just a garage
>> okay
>> down the station
>> similar
that might not I I believe you're
correct.
>> But because once you get into multi-use,
>> i.e. other offices and stuff like that,
then it's not just a garage,
>> So then you revisit the sprinklers.
That's the way I
>> Yeah. And
>> I agree.
>> If there is a way to if if if it's
allowed, if there's a square footage
thing in there
>> that determines that,
>> then and if we can put a fire rated
wall, block wall. Mhm.
>> You know, I did that the old LL Bean
building in North Conway, we put
>> six or eight layers of sheetrock,
>> but it was still a sprinkled building,
but it it was it was allowed,
>> And don't discount that even if by code
we have to do it, there is still the
waiver process. And if we're Exactly. If
we're doing some other things to
mitigate potential risk,
I would venture to guess they'd be more
likely to say, "Yeah, I mean, you've got
wall, you, you know, fire sheetrock,
whatever,
>> right?" You know,
>> so we go from there.
>> And that would be the idea of keeping
that garage at one elevation. Otherwise,
I mean, I remember the Green Granite
Motel and we built that. We had to run
the block wall up and above so many
courses to follow the roof line so that
nothing jumped across the roof, you
know. So, there's there's some some
potential that we do a little
exploration,
we stay with a 60 by 80 structure,
>> right? So if Lee can like to get
something to the March meeting presented
>> really
>> oh for town hall
>> just for present not to build I don't
>> no not to build no
>> 28 I don't anticipate but just to
present to
>> a concept say yeah
>> and you could even have some budget
numbers
>> if we can get some numbers
>> you certainly can get number on the
frame
>> yes
>> you know in the concrete
>> and earth work
>> so where do we go here
>> but what I'd want to know is where our
parameters are regarding square footage
with we need an answer from Sean. We'd
have to have him I want him to weigh in
on this,
>> And if you know he's going to he could
dictate that to us.
>> Mhm.
>> It comes at a cost but we've already
spent a little bit there but not a lot.
>> So if we use these prints we're going to
downsize
some of this.
>> Yep.
>> That's all going to be reconfigured.
>> I mean personally a blank Okay. We got a
60x 80 building. There it is. We want to
divide part of this up for garage and
part of this up for for
>> so 2/3 will be
>> fire department one third
>> and one third
>> right one third
>> for less or whatever
>> but of the 2/3 how much of that is
technically garage space right do you
get a sprinkler pass if it's literally
this is just the end of the building
equipment sits in the fire department
>> it's the fire department sitting in
there but we also be using it as a
select meeting
>> got to be honest about it
>> yep I know.
>> Yeah. Cuz the land use is all in here,
>> Yeah. This this will be full.
So either way, we China would have to
answer,
>> right? We'd need that from him.
>> So
JT,
you take the Can we stick with the 50 by
80 or
>> 60 by 80?
>> 60 by 80.
rearrange the police department a little
bit. Get rid of the training room.
>> Yeah, I mean I I it worked before. So
>> yeah, I would just move all those
offices to where the patrol room is.
>> Lots of different things. It just, you
know, there's a path we need to follow
sequentially.
And I think the first thing is is I'd
want to be advised on
from Sean. Yeah,
>> I trust his judgment,
>> He's just got too much history that goes
in the right direction.
>> So, we did a rust using this and then
did a rough sketch.
>> Let me see if I can set up a meeting
with him when I see him personally.
>> Present both ways saying
>> I think I have that. If not, I can get
one
>> here.
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> Make copies.
>> I think I Yeah, all I'd want is that
>> the top. Yeah, this one.
>> The those two. Is there a section of
that building as well? No, it's fine.
Well, it's Yeah, the section shows a
truss, but
I don't think we'd want that right now.
>> I think we're more or less footprint.
>> Footprint in this.
>> Yeah, that footprint even with that on
there. I'll see if I can get a meeting
on him.
>> So, just say the police department is
going to be in
>> Yeah. Yeah. Or how much
what does he see? put it before your
people and see what you can do.
>> Right.
>> And let us know what we'd have to do.
>> And I agree with Mike on the demising
wall
>> for firewall.
>> Let's not focus
>> and I don't think Sean should focus
>> on it being this way.
>> What if it was this way?
>> So instead of we, you know, when instead
of we had two bays or back to back, we
had three bays right here. This comes
down here. This corner becomes a meeting
space,
>> And then this becomes a firewall. So
there's two firewalls.
>> Sections that you close that
>> section. Oh, so you have the trucks
coming in in the sally port here, too.
All three bays.
>> Then it puts the building all at the
same elevation,
>> That's what that would do.
>> We'll see what he recommends.
>> Yeah. And he's got a clear vision for
>> And then cut this down like this for
>> Well, like some of this stuff could come
over in the corner.
>> Yeah. Then
>> and then this becomes a conference room,
>> And then we blow the hole in the wall
right there in the hallway and go into
our meeting space.
>> Someday.
>> Cuz I would want to know that too if
there's any way he could revisit
attach it.
Yeah, I think that was so that was a
whole another different conversation
>> just because it'd be nice not to go out
the door to go out to go and do that.
>> Yeah,
>> if we could
>> or at least covered breezeway kind of
deal minimum.
>> Well, I think if we could
have that conversation later
there's things that we could do
a lot of sense.
>> Let's put in a goal for tunnel.
like me and Joe Green. We can reenact
the cheerleaders chair.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> All right. So, you get into contact with
Sean.
>> I will do that. I will call him
>> or send him an email and see if I can
have us organ go with and sit down with
him,
>> right? and say this is, you know,
>> be nice if this is what we'd like to do,
>> But we don't need I think his whole
presentation last time was drawings and
everything else. Scale that back.
>> We can handle that end.
>> Yes,
>> it's far far more economical to do that.
>> I think you'll find if indeed he needed
something from Lee at any point, he
would get it right away.
>> He's got a pretty good understanding of
all that.
>> Okay. for a lot less dollars.
>> So once you have uh advice back from
>> Sean,
>> then we can proceed.
>> Right. Let's start with that. Let's see
what his time frame is.
>> Yeah. Uh
>> I'll send him a note
>> and try to get something going,
>> see what his availability is and I'll
just meet him at his office.
>> Come up with a concept for a design and
then we can get some quotes or rough
quotes.
>> Then we can go from there.
>> Yes. we can get a footprint of the
building. So the the So talking about
buildings, just have an idea. That new
building that went up on Route 16, that
gosh Angie building uh right across from
where Kurt Brooks's garage was just up
above the golf course, same side as the
golf course,
>> Northbound on 16,
>> across from the hardware store.
>> Across from Yeah.
>> Dross the cigar bar.
Yeah, that gray building
>> where that one is.
>> I don't have much business there.
>> So, the building alone and it has some
additional heavyweight beams because he
wanted to be able to add a gantry crane
to the steel beams.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> The structure itself without concrete
was 150,000.
>> But hopefully
>> just the just the building.
>> Just the building. Yeah.
>> Sitting, you know,
>> not petition though, right?
>> No. It's wide open and it's just what it
the one that we have on Drew Hill Road
in Alton looks the same. What's the size
of that building?
>> It's got to be more than 40. And I was
able to pull a my dump truck in, put the
hoist all the way up to the overhead
door, not hit it.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Nose in. So, the hoist was going up at
the overhead door. Pretty tall.
>> But that's no concrete, no earthwork.
That's just the building itself.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> A buck and a half. And it's got a little
it's got heavier steel in it. So
>> we don't need that. But
>> no, you don't. But it's that's what that
one that's what that is.
>> It's not that much difference. But
>> so it just kind of gives you an idea on
a steel structure like that,
>> And and uh like you know Sean even when
he was here, he said, you know, anything
pre-engineered is going to be better
than stick build,
>> whether it's a wood frame or a steel
frame.
>> Right. Agree.
>> Okay. Very good.
>> All right.
>> Food for thought.
>> At least we know what direction now,
>> We do need to have a serious
conversation because this is the third
meeting in a row that was interrupted
because we carry over.
>> Um
cuz there's a lot going on.
>> It's okay.
>> Whole new staff and Yep.
>> trying to sort things out.
>> Seasons are changing a little crazy.
>> Yeah. I think anybody that has a clue
knows that.
>> Just hopefully people realize that we're
not just driving people out. So
>> no, it's just people are moving on
basically. That's what it is. They're
moving on.
>> Greenness in the times.
>> All right. That being said, I will
entertain a motion to adjourn.
>> Make a motion to set a meeting for next
time. Pro that was my old spearhead
behind my setting the next meeting. do
that with us.
>> Well, there's there's discussion
>> being mindful about when the next
meeting is going to be.
>> So, you think Sean will have an answer
in two weeks or something?
>> I I won't even dare weigh it in on that.
>> I have to start.
>> So, why don't you set a meeting for
>> be for now? Do you want to go?
>> I don't want to keep waiting. Set up
meeting for two weeks. If we don't, we
can cancel.
>> Yeah, we can always cancel.
>> So,
if I got something, I want to meet.
>> So, for the 29th. So, we'll meet again
on the 29th.
>> Got it.
>> 29th.
>> All right. Who Who seconded the motion
to return?
>> I'll second. I made the motion.
>> You made the motion. You can't second
it. Okay.
>> Everyone's in favor. I