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planning board sub committee 9 4 2026

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They sh it. It's fine. So, we know I uh
I got connected with Mark through the
land use attorney for one of our
projects in Portsouth.
>> Okay.
>> I don't know if you know any of the
group that
>> John Bos.
>> John Bosen. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. He's he's a great guy.
>> Yeah. I don't know him super well, but I
worked with him quite a bit in this
housing project in Portsouth and connect
me with Mark and
Anyway.
>> Yeah. John's on the board of uh King
Bonment, too.
>> Okay, that's good enough.
>> Got a really good practice down there.
We do a ton of hospitality apparently
and very active.
>> Mhm.
>> Okay, David. Hi.
>> Um 7 7:45 today.
>> H 7:45 today.
>> Hopefully, this won't take long because
we're going to focus on I'll update you
on the survey, but focus solely on the
28th.
drafted a couple things that we can take
a look at
this month. Start with that. James on in
Boston, so she's here.
>> Hi, James.
>> Um,
so
I've got a short night.
>> Yep.
>> Hi.
>> So, let me just start off with the um
the survey is at the printer right now
and the survey uh letter is at the
printer. The letter should be going out
next week. I'll send you guys a link. We
couldn't go with a QR code because QR
codes only work if you use your phone or
your iPad.
>> Mhm.
>> Not if you're doing it from a computer.
You can't read a QR code.
>> That's hard to.
>> So, we we went through the link. We went
with a link and we're going to we put
the link at the bottom of the letter
that says go to this website. Click on
it. You get it. It's the only thing on
the website. You go there, it's the
survey.
>> It's like a pretty basic link. It's all
good.
>> We just said Jackson survey is the link.
We put a phony name on top of it. But
that allows the town to put the link on
their website,
>> you know, so we can do that, too. So
that's all set. Um, so that should be
going out next week. It's like 1,239
letters going out.
>> Nice.
>> That's a combination of registered
voters and um taxpayers. Who
>> the letters are saying? Go take the
survey. Yes. Go tune the survey. The
card copies of the survey will be
sitting here at the post office. Cool.
>> And I'll send it to you guys and if you
want to print it out, you can give it to
send the link around.
>> Send the link around because it's not a
unique link. So we you can send it out
to anyone.
>> Cool.
>> And they can do it. Um I'm going to be
giving it to because I've met three
people that are renters who are not
registered to vote.
>> So they do not fall on any list that I
had.
>> Oh wow.
>> So that's the population that we have to
think about. If you run across somebody
like that, um, anybody I know that's
renting, I say, "Are you a registered
voter?" And they go, "No." I said,
"Here's the link to the survey. Go for
it." Cuz registered,
>> not pushing anybody to do that. So, um,
so that's what those again, thank you
very much for all of the So, I did check
one of the things of the last planning
board. Um,
Bill wanted me to verify that the town
can give out prizes.
Um, and as long And so I verified the
RSA. As long as we didn't pay for them,
uh, and they're donated, we can get them
out.
>> So, we can't buy prizes and give them
out.
>> Okay. And we just No, unless we go to we
have to go to the town meeting
>> and the town has to vote on money
allocated for that purpose.
>> Okay. So, um, but since they were
donating, we have arms. Cool. So,
Yeah, thanks for the gifts.
>> Yeah, exceed
awesome.
>> That's great.
>> I actually got more of the after the
fact. I just didn't I didn't seem we
were going to just be
>> your math was a little off on there. So,
it's a little less. It's about $2,800 is
what the total is. But the way I said it
in the thing, you have over 35 because
you add up all the individual prizes. So
there's 35
chances about 20 about a little over
$2,800 worth of gifts is the way I wrote
it, you know, local businesses. So it
was pretty cool.
>> So there'll be a link soon distributed
via like I assume E-News.
>> Yeah, E-News the And on E-News I can use
it as a link because they're they do
that too. So I can use it there as a
link on our website as a link and the
letter they just go to. Cool. So, we're
accepting.
>> And then I chatted with the chamber.
They're going to push it out, too.
>> Y
>> and ask their businesses to go and then
we're queued up as soon as we have the
link. We'll blast it.
>> Yeah. One of the things we were going to
talk to them about putting the link on
the chambers website so you can do it
that way.
So, and then the update and I I sent it
out to you when I got it. We had talked
about the beginning of October for the
community meeting and then that was
already taken. So I did have to change
it to the 28th of October
and we talked about last time having
like sections tables broken out and
we'll have the entire Whitney Center.
We're going to have the two separate
other rooms. So we can have two
breakouts in those two rooms and then we
can have breakouts in the main room.
>> Mhm. So, I took it upon myself. Jane, I
I can send I can pull this up for you
once I pass it out. Okay. So, so I I
just took it upon myself and this is
what I want to talk about that um it is
the tables and the assignments that I
thought fit your personality and what
you're interested maybe, but it's it's
open for discussion and that was the
discussion that you need to hear. And
then I also copied uh for anybody who
has not downloaded a copy of the master
plan RSA the sections that talks about
each one of these areas and what's its
focus. I have copies of those two for
you. So if you're in one of those
sections you can see what the RSA kind
of talks about as far as being
responsible for that area.
Um,
>> and folks who are here who are listed as
well are already on board or is this
>> No, this is all
this is all open here. I did this a
couple days ago and I thought, okay,
we'll talk about it. If we agree on it,
then I will reach out to these people.
>> Can can I suggest one thing?
>> Sure.
>> So, is this So, how long is the meeting?
Did we
>> Hour and Hour and a half.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we probably need 15 minutes at least
on either end, right? So, an hour of
work.
>> That's the way we figured out last time.
>> The body of the meeting. Yeah.
>> All right. So, we have an hour to do
these breakout sessions.
>> What do you So,
>> we looked at doing three sets of 20
minutes
>> rotating
>> within that hour, allowing people to
rotate if they wish from one table to
the next.
>> I think that's a good idea. Yeah.
>> So, you have 20 minutes at the table.
>> So, you can have So, the leader has to
keep them focused. We'll have white
paper.
>> Um, come on.
>> Good morning. Good night. I don't know
what time is. I think we'll have one
minute markers at each table
>> but the kind of discussion was 20
minutes focused discussion if somebody
wants to stay
they can but I want to give option
people move around
>> so in theory they can go to three
different tables within that hour
>> okay you so not you won't have the
ability to to rotate hit every table the
math doesn't work
>> it doesn't work
>> yeah Okay. So, you can choose. That's
cool. So, then one person will be need
to designate a noteaker. One person will
help lead a discussion.
>> Yeah.
>> Do we have prompts
like question prompts, discussion
prompts?
>> We have a couple meetings before that
time. So, that's that's a good point. Do
we want talking points? And that's why I
copied out the section of the RSA that
talks about your areas. And I try to I
try to think of combining
sections of the of the master plan
together like um housing and
neighborhood planning,
natural hazards and natural resources.
Again, I'm not sold on these. If if you
guys think, oh, no, this goes with this
better, I'm not sold on it,
>> you know. I just wanted to take a stab
at something that we could all kind of
react to.
>> Yep.
>> Um
>> No, I think they look good. I do think
they like them.
>> The only thing I would The only thing I
would say is that economic development
and recreational service. Well, I guess
I should read what recreational services
is,
>> but those feel fairly linky to me given
the touristy nature of
>> feel what recreational services linked
up.
>> Yeah. Wreck and economic development
field.
>> Yeah, that was the only one I did
struggle with
>> cuz I did because of the nature of our
town. Now, can you see this, Jane?
Oh
>> yes yes yes I can see it.
>> Okay.
>> What is regional impact?
>> It's how we how Jackson would impact
Bartlet North Conway,
>> you know, other towns and and then the
valley itself,
>> you know,
>> and anything that we plan, how does that
impact
>> the the valley?
>> Mhm.
this get these groupings perfect.
>> We're not. Mhm. But
>> I imagine people are going to like bring
up things in other groups do. People
like bring up recreation in the housing
thing, right?
>> If it does, just write it down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
>> Yeah. The these give us areas to focus
along with the prompts or the questions
that we ask. And then, you know, we're
here to talk about this, but it may spur
off into
>> And it really is. It's and I would look
at this as more for the the people
coming.
>> Yep. Yep.
>> You know, to allow them to focus on
their thought that somebody may only
care about housing, so they sit for the
whole hour in that group.
>> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> You know,
>> um we're going to set the tables up to
at least 10 per
>> Mhm.
>> you know, and you can obviously add more
chairs if more than 60 people show up.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um
>> we can also do
um put the sticky white paper behind the
tables where people can come by. They
can add other things if they don't have
time to go to all of them. You could sp
keep it an extra time at the end where
you just say open add your ideas that
you couldn't go to different places so
people could add that. Um,
>> yeah, I'm not sure if you were here when
I said this, but we will be using the
other two rooms also. So, we'll have
really four, which really allows us to
have some separation between those four
groups and then we'll be using the two
rooms.
>> So, groups will be in there, too. So it
really allows some because I was trying
to keep it
>> cuz when I walked through there I was
like I was trying to keep it far enough
apart so
>> the noise
>> you can have this discussion because
it's very loud in that place if I had
six tables and they're all talking at
the same time.
>> What do you think about to that point
building on that?
>> Mhm.
>> What do you think about you know if we
have these let's say we have a single I
don't know if we're going to have a
giant sticky pad or something.
>> Yeah. One of those easel kind
>> easel thing. What if we take that at the
end, maybe even pin like one on the
bottom and we like pin up like a marker
next to it and we put it in the hallway
of the Whitney.
>> Could we do something like that to leave
like open comment like through the week
or so after?
>> I could talk to them.
>> That'd be kind of cool. I mean
>> cuz it's not open. That's the issue. The
doors school
>> unless
>> Yeah.
>> Like during school it's not open unless
the school's there and after hours it's
it's not open to the public.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. There's meetings and stuff, aren't
there? Mostly just school. Not really.
this goal. I think the tear down library
that we could leave it or
>> we could do the library. We could do the
town here. We could do the post office.
>> We should do the town. We could do the
town hall. I know not that many people
come through here, but you could at
least say
>> town hall or
>> the town office.
>> Sorry, we missed town office.
>> Yeah, cuz now you have to call it the
historical society.
Staff call.
>> I meant this.
>> This building,
>> what is this called?
>> Town office.
>> Okay. Thank you.
I don't know.
>> Um or the library would
>> the library would be great.
>> Just an idea. We can like photo document
each one when we're done and then like
>> you know just so we have a document in
case something gets ruined,
>> right?
>> And then we can come back and photo
document it again.
>> You can feed all that stuff into the
chat.
>> This is the first one.
>> Summarize it.
>> And I was thinking that we could do a
second one, but I'd rather see before we
commit to a second one. I'd rather see
the results and the turnout. Yes.
>> So there is also I will get my
>> I mean I need a couple months looks like
you need a couple months ahead of time
to reserve and but but the second one
you had offered black so we have a lot
more flexibility there.
>> Mhm.
>> Draft the master plan the second one do
we think
>> potentially? So, well, we would what the
second one would focus more on
summarizing the survey, finalizing that
results to the public and really what
came out of the first one
>> and it could be the jumping part off of
what did we miss anything? I I really do
see the second one probably after the
the holidays because this one will be
the end of October.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you don't do it until January.
>> Um, did I miss that in the meeting?
Sorry. I'm a little late. Are we gonna
do this as sort of a kickoff before
survey or like survey is going to be
>> survey is going out next week?
>> Great. But we don't have to have it
finished and finalized.
>> No, it'll be six weeks roughly.
>> I think I was going to say at this point
don't shorten the survey intake to just
share it out for this. Let's just
>> All I was going to do we talked about
last time was kind of high level cuz
hopefully they'll have some results.
>> Yeah, that's great. Oh yeah.
>> And also remind people if they haven't
taken it
>> Yeah, that's great.
>> Please take it. But I have a feeling the
people that show up to this are probably
the ones that say this survey anyway. So
I'm also hoping that maybe we'll get
people that like I was telling people
earlier, the only list I have of people
are taxpayers and registered voters. So
if you know anybody that's renting and
is not registered to vote, they are not
getting a letter. So you can give them
the link. Um the other thing the um the
QR code really didn't work because you
need a phone to use a QR code.
>> Mhm. in a letter.
>> We think most people are going to be
using a computer to do these surveys
because we tried to do the survey on a
phone. It's 31 questions.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.
>> It's very hard to do on a phone.
>> Can't you can't you like program the QR
code to go to whatever link you want
though?
>> You have to have a camera
>> to take a picture of the code.
>> But couldn't you have both have a link
and a QR code?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Send a link to yourself instead.
>> Yeah. Cuz it cuz if you have the QR
code, you're going to use it cuz we
tried it. If you take a QR code and open
it up, you then have to type in anyway
the website on your computer.
>> So, we're just going to do it.
>> Yeah. If you know somebody who's very
attached to QR codes, you can also just
make a QR code and send it to them.
>> Correct. Great.
>> Right. Um, school board is doing
strategic planning this this fall, but I
think hopefully they will go after this
meeting. It sounds like they will and
then they may have one or two, but I
think the timing
>> just wanted to say like it's just Yeah.
And I think it, you know, goes well
together in some ways, but just put just
letting just wanted to let you know in
case it's like, oh my goodness, another
survey, another gathering. But
>> I did see didn't they put out a
something I do about that?
>> It will be soon. Yeah.
>> Did we ask about schooling stuff in the
survey?
>> It will come out indirectly, but it
won't.
>> Yeah. Neighborhood planning.
>> There's not a real section for it except
for you could bring it up when you talk
about like public services,
>> community facilities,
>> communities. Yeah.
>> Archaeological resources.
>> Hopefully not.
Um
the
um
black thing.
Um
I was I was penciling in like a Sunday
afternoon thing. I think we could also
do, you know, free skiing for the town
after 12:00 p.m. or something like that.
It usually gets people to come, right?
Yeah, cool.
>> You know, if we said, you know, free
skiing for any town of or any attendee
to the town meeting or town of Jackson,
um, something like that could be fun.
>> Sunday would be okay for you. I mean,
it's like a business after after 12 or
after 1:00.
>> You know, the general thought would be
like have people come ski an hour or two
or do something or uphill and then kind
of roll down into the meeting
>> at the end.
>> That' be cool. We get a ton of push back
from like not apparently there used to
be very cheap tickets on Sunday
afternoon or something.
>> This was a big deal, but I parttook.
>> Yeah, it was like 20 bucks or something.
People would go a
>> lot of local folks.
>> A lot of locals would show up. So, I
just I feel like we're going to do a
couple of those. We're going to do one
for the
>> Oh, you
>> Mount Washington Observatory is going to
do a meeting. We'll do some free skiing
on a Sunday in December. But I I think
like a December 6ish kind of thing. Um
somewhere early December.
>> Oh, do you think we're going to be able
to do the second one?
>> January.
>> J second one in January.
>> Yeah, we could.
>> That gives us
>> two months.
>> Yeah, it gives us two months to do some
writing and do some work.
>> Give a presentation.
>> That's a second meeting or is it a
>> second meeting some kind of day?
>> Yeah. As long as it's a as long as it's
a I just feel like a Sunday afternoon
would be the
>> would be the day.
And we may actually get more people out
>> during the day.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, it's kind of versus at night.
>> Yes. A winter night is not
>> Yeah.
>> Always.
>> Well, yeah. In the afternoon, it's
already dark at 4.
>> Exactly. But I mean, if we called it 3
or 4,
you're like, "Okay, I can do that."
>> Yeah. I mean, if we do like a 1:30 to 3.
>> Exactly.
>> It is a perfect time. Another hour and a
half,
>> you know, or by then.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I talked to Ian at at
the Nordic Center, too, and he would
also sort of extend that.
Both. So, okay.
>> Is it easy?
>> Yep. Cool. I'm really cool.
>> Okay. So,
are we good with the You had talked
about the economic
development going to
where recreational.
>> Here's my only thing. The positive of
separating them is they are
>> separate
>> and they're like people have multiple
sessions. You might get more out of
having one and then the other and
because then you'll hear both during it,
you know. I don't know. I'm being the I
see the link, but then you just get that
one group coming through once to talk
about both economic development and
recreation.
>> People just want to talk about skiing,
right? Ski resorts. They're gonna they
might just hang at that one group,
right? Versus if you separate them. I'm
so I'm trying to point.
>> Yes, they will stay. Yes, they will stay
maybe in this way to circulate a little
and you can hit it twice.
>> If we have like 10 people show up, we
could also combine things
back.
>> Like if you have 30 people who want to
tend one, we could be like, we're going
to arbitrarily split this group up
>> maybe.
>> Yep. Yep.
Yep. And what did you put? I mean,
recreation may be a big
>> Yeah, that's good to put something
that's a little
>> I see both sides of it. I mean, I see
where like, you know,
biggest employer here is Eric, you know,
recreational services.
>> So, to not to not talk about economic
development and have a separate
conversation about recreation,
>> Yeah.
>> without economic development, I feel
like is bifurcating a conversation, you
know.
>> Yeah. Well, it's going to be both. So,
whatever you guys shoot,
too. Like, they got a ton of Nordic
people coming in.
>> Yeah,
>> there's a lot there for sure.
>> Golf.
>> Golf.
>> Golf.
>> It's golf. Outdoor recreation, I think.
Right.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean, put them together, I don't know.
I don't think that it's
>> it's a good question.
>> Good or bad.
>> Well, I saw economic development as
beyond what we have today.
>> Is there anything beyond what we
currently have? Mhm.
>> Is there a future for any of that?
>> And do we talk about zone? Like I know
this then affects zoning. You're not
talking about that, but you know, like
where do you want business placement and
economic? Maybe that's in community
design, but um
>> well, you could I mean that would be a
discussion that because right now zoning
is technically not as part of the master
plan, right? It's a result of this
>> of
>> So if we say that development, economic
development needs to happen,
do we create a new zone,
>> right?
>> Is a result of bad action
altering the zoning regulations to
expand that or change it.
>> I mean, we can get people to say we
don't we like the level of economic and
recreational stuff we have. We don't
want another.
>> I would I I can see a trade-off between
table three and five. I would move
cultural, archaeological, historical
down in place of economic development.
Move economic development over to table
three with recreational services. I
think there's much more relevance
between cultural, archaeological, and
historical resource conversation with
regional impact and transportation than
there is
>> economic development. So, I think you
can trade those two pretty easily.
That makes sense to me.
>> I I I see that.
>> So,
let me switch out Jane and Eric.
>> Yeah.
>> Put Nick
>> Nick and Eric on table three.
>> Yeah.
Okay.
>> You're So, you're moving economic
development and cultural
>> down to table five.
>> Yeah.
>> Moving economic develop to table three.
And now switching Jane and Eric,
swapping out those two.
>> So, it'll be you and Eric.
>> Yeah. Jane and Bill.
>> Bill and Jane. Okay.
>> I do want to talk about transportation.
>> It's okay.
>> It's all right. It's okay.
>> I'm looking at this thinking that
>> housing is hard to have a conversation
about in a vacuum. Like everything is
pretty much housing.
>> Yeah. What is where's housing?
>> Which which is just to say I have a
feeling we're going to get a chance to
talk about everything we want.
>> Oh man. I can see
>> Well, the reason why I put you and Scott
there was to help people
>> also ask questions. hopefully zero in on
housing
>> to give out no to give you what that
you're doing
>> like to talk about our plans. Yeah.
>> As a combination to spark interest in
people and figure out what they need.
Again, we've heard in this meeting and
then other meetings have we've heard two
sides of people about housing. There is
definitely two sides in this town about
the future of housing.
>> Yeah, totally. So
>> it's I mean especially with respect to
other things of like well do we have the
natural resources like we're such a blah
blah blah like do we have the economic
opportunities to provide those things
like I feel like we're getting a lot
from other people from other groups just
>> again
>> these aren't in silos.
>> No totally
>> they were I was just trying to figure
out
>> Yeah
>> cuz we don't have enough room to have
this individual tables for every one of
these. They had to be grouped together.
I like the way things
>> I do have one question
>> there. The one of the biggest trends in
master planning too is to have a more
substantial
vision. Like the beginning being the
vision
that yes, you can pull the vision from
all of these different things, but just
like a
what do we want Jackson to be?
Not getting into each of the little
topics. Um
>> that's the first question. That's the
first part of the master plan.
>> Yeah.
>> Do we want to
>> I mean you can do it either way but
>> the survey actually ask asks the survey
has a lot of questions on people's
opinions of where they see the future.
>> So maybe pull that.
>> Can I can I offer one thing building on
that possibly too is
>> you know one step one half step maybe
before that is stating the problem
>> right?
>> Yeah. What if one of the prompts within
each of these groups is to like identify
a problem statement
>> or have a problem statement?
Transportation is easy. Um perhaps
there is no mass transit,
>> but like like Storyland deals with their
transportation issue is they have a bus
that goes up to Berlin and down to
Conway to pick up people to come to work
at Storyland,
>> right?
>> They've solved their own. They've solved
I mean they solve it, but that's how
they deal with it.
>> Yeah. I'm thinking out loud a little
thinking of a way to spark conversation
and like you know getting to a vision
statement maybe like identifying an
issue that we're trying to solve within
the context of each of these topics.
>> Yeah.
>> Could be one way to do it.
>> Does it is the vision sort of to spark
conversation? Is that the point? Like is
it sort of
>> I was thinking more like the opening
>> like the opening you'll get it a little
bit from the survey so maybe you can
start to share it out.
>> That was kind of what the first 15
minutes
>> before we get into the tables that kind
of spark them.
>> Yeah. Um the vision is the if you if I
mean the vision in our current one is
>> like a page.
>> Yeah. It's not very flown out.
>> Yeah.
>> That was my goal because you notice my
name is not on any of these tables
>> on YouTube was kind of float around
>> spark people get ready to go 20 minutes
be a timer get people moving but also to
be there to kind of listen to everything
that's going on. Yeah,
>> but I we one of the things we I need to
do when we're here is kind of plan our
next meeting and I want to have a draft
of that opening section because you're
right, land use is the second section of
the master plan
>> versus all these,
>> right?
>> The first part is what's the vision of
Jackson?
>> Yeah.
>> What do you see yourself in 10 years?
>> Yeah.
>> All of these
>> in theory get to you get to what that
vision is.
>> Exactly. And so that's why I don't want
to scoot around
that or I want to use that opportunity
to get a little bit of people's input on
that because that's the part that I like
to talk about. Um and people can
sometimes not dig into all one of these
things in um so however you think
>> I mean you could I like Nick you're like
you know what you're dealing you know
your section is
>> for you to have to develop and that's
why I wanted to give this out way in
advance is yeah I love the idea of what
problems do we see or what are we doing
good
>> right
>> in this section that we're going to talk
about
>> and how can we build either a posit
positive or negative and turn it, you
know, the future.
>> If if somebody says we're doing great
on, you know, because the other thing I
want to do is what's community design?
>> Yeah.
>> We all have to have
>> what that what that meaning is and
that's what this section talks about.
What is community design? You know, um
and again this isn't sitting stone.
>> What is what is community design? What
what was the intent?
>> What is that? Community design
identifies the positive physical
attributes in a municipality and
provides design goals and policies for
specific
>> areas to guide private and public
development.
>> Right.
It's like what do you see as the
community as a whole and where you see
>> I get that. Yeah. It's
>> all right.
Community design should come out of the
master plan in my opinion. Should the
master plan should be informative
like every in theory every one of these
>> it sounds like it's trying to talk about
like aesthetics or something or like
>> I think it it is though.
>> Every one of these sections in the
master plan.
>> Not really.
>> I do.
>> Every one of these sections has to have
goals and objectives.
>> Yeah.
>> Each one.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, we really think that community
design is part of this. That's fine, but
we need to have something about that
section with a goal
>> and then objectives of what we're going
to do to get to that goal.
>> Okay.
>> And you can have one, two, I
>> I I just what I imagine what I'm
imagining that conversation being like
is
we should build like we should build a
neighborhood like up there and then we
should make a huge park on the entire
mountain. No, I think it's more about we
want to feel like it's a what does it
feel like to be in a village? Like what
does it look like? What does it I don't
know. I think you could almost fudge
this a little bit into this visiony
place. Hey, I have to sit at that table
with Paula. So, I'll be the one to
>> have to be with whatever that is. Um
>> I get like I don't know.
>> Yeah, give examples of like Yeah.
Imagine
if you wanted to design Jacksonville
like Disneyland. Like you just have an
image of what that would look like. Like
that's I don't know. That's
>> the aesthetic of the town. I guess
that's what it's getting after.
>> Yeah.
>> Unprotected. That's right.
>> Of the word design
>> of the word design.
It is a scientific process. I'm a
software engineer. No,
>> it's not just
>> with no engineering.
>> We should call it a community of
imaginary. Well, I mean I mean that
>> we could pull out one that was very
>> like the design comes out of like the
data that we get about like our roads
like
>> here's here's an idea. Is it actually a
section?
>> I'll I'll stop cuz we can move.
>> Um is community facilities. I mean a
little bit this feels like community
vision and design or something like you
could make that more
>> community. Sounds like we're trying to
have a conversation about character.
Maybe is it community character?
>> Yeah.
>> Instead of design. Character. Design
sounds like a word that somebody at the
state level came up with that thinks
design is like what things look like and
stuff.
>> That's not design. That's character
>> or that's like look and feel or
>> can provide design.
>> Design is not aesthetics. Design is not
visual.
>> No. No. But
>> aesthetics come out of it. The visuals
come out of design.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think we're taking
you're taking the word design too.
>> Yeah.
>> No, I don't. But
>> when you read the rest of it, it's it's
>> but everybody's I'm afraid everyone's
going to want, oh, I want to do
community design, but it's not we're not
doing it's character,
>> right?
>> Character doesn't feel like a helpful.
And what I was thinking of doing is when
we when we put it out, I was actually
going to send people this also so that
they know what the RSA says cuz if you
read it, it says to identify positive
physical attributes in the municipality.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Design things
>> and then provide design goals and
policies for planning to specific areas
by private and public development.
>> Okay. So it's it's what do we need to
develop
and how does that fit into the bigger
picture? So
>> is it is it supposed to be like the
mechanics of
future land use planning like how you
like the policies that be set in place
in order to
>> I'll send you a copy copy and you Google
it master plans in New Hampshire. I mean
everyone deals with every one of these
sections.
>> Yeah. So, you know, we can borrow
language from that,
>> but we can also add if because I didn't
know what it is to also if we want
community design, a character, something
like that.
>> I would like that cuz I'm sitting there
>> and um I understand. No, I I don't I
understand more the conversation about
community character.
>> Yeah. connected to its physical
attributes
um and some of the like non um physical
attributes which could also help a
little bit into our vision like a place
where people gather. Oh, we love the
library and the way it looks with the
barn and anyway so community charact uh
sorry what's it called? Community design
and character
>> community design section to identify
positive physical attributes in the
municipality and provide for design
goals and policies for planning.
areas like
>> you can do design guidelines which that
allows you know like
>> to not have the strip and those old bit
to have a dollar tree in it you know you
or if you're going to have a dollar tree
the dollar tree has to look like blank
on the front.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think that's
>> I'm being extra protector.
>> Yeah. I know. And it's just just let it
go.
>> I am
all right.
Um maybe next time Dave I do think
there's a consistent structure within
each of these tables that would be
helpful whether the questions are
um what do you current what do you like
about the current state what are the
problems you see and what are what is
the future state that you want and sort
of a very simple three-part section for
the facilitator to lead people through
for the consistency of going to three
different groups groups that you have a
similar type of flow.
Um
>> current or is it current future?
>> Current problem and I I look at the
solutions.
>> Yeah, you can call it solutions or you
can call it the the what you the future
vision of what you want. So the current
state
>> um I don't remember what I said. I think
maybe the things that you
>> the problems
>> the current state of what's good. Yeah.
But that what's working some of the
issues or problems is the second
category. And then the
>> what's working, what's not working, what
>> and then what you want to see, what's
the future, what's the vision, which
then can turn into some goals,
>> right?
>> And then you can do some of the
objectives around
the what you hear is the problems
combined with the current things that
are working.
>> Yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah, I
like the consistency on every table. So
when everybody goes to each table, it's
all the same.
>> Yeah.
>> In this area, this is
>> you don't have to reorient. That's
that's I like that too.
>> And you could have three pieces of if
you were next to a table with like eight
people as a facilitator who's talking
but then a notetaker has three pieces of
paper. People jump around. They they you
want to structure them. They don't think
that way. So they will somebody will say
something that's working and then they
will start to get into solutions or what
they want. The facilitator's job is to
remind people we're now in here. But the
person could actually capture it on the
third piece of paper back. Yeah. And if
you have it in like three different
colors or three different pages, it
keeps it organized for for you to
>> theme it all up.
>> What's working? Cultural, eco,
archaeological, and historical
resources. What's working?
>> I don't know. Whole cultural stuff.
>> It's It's a weird question.
>> Well, I have to look at it. The No, I
mean, it is though. This is a ski town
or like this is there is a cultural
historical thing and that is important.
It's kind of like an an inventory like
what what do we have? What's working?
>> What do we have? What do you see? What
do you value? What do you like?
>> Some people may not even realize it.
>> What do we what don't we have? What's
not working?
>> Do we have do we have clear markers in
the town to to elevate that? I mean, if
you look at the bridge, it's on the
historical. It's a little sign about
this big. And unless you look down and
read it, you don't realize that you're
in a historical district.
>> Right.
>> Right.
>> And that is really why the historical
society wants to get the name. That's
why they didn't put town hall back on
the door.
>> Oh,
>> is because they wanted to be classified
as a historical society. You know,
that's the building. You know, it's more
prominent where it is and stuff. But
there's all kinds of things, you know,
do people know that the Whitney Center?
Do we know that if people know that the
Eagle Those are all historical,
>> right,
>> marks,
you know, buildings in this, you know,
and we
>> is Whitney registered anywhere? Is it
registered with the state and there?
>> Yeah. state
>> national no national
restrictions there.
>> Did you envision us coming to this
meeting with a vision for each of these
sections? Like sort of leading the
conversation with like here's our rough
draft vision for this is sort of like
we're going to drive a vision. I think I
think yeah I think it should be totally
open.
>> Okay.
>> And then the second meeting could start
to say this is what we heard.
>> React synthesize everything.
>> But I I'd like to get a meeting with us
before this so that we can solidify
>> these sections. You know the section
that you are on.
>> You could start thinking about that. I
will present this next week at our
planning board meeting and get all
everybody else on. Can you draft Dave
for us those the wording of those three
questions?
>> Yep.
>> Um
>> yeah, wrote those down.
>> And again, people can say them a little
differently how they want, but if you
could provide us
>> Yeah. Okay.
>> that would be helpful.
>> Are you familiar with rose bud thorn?
>> Yes, of course.
>> Of course. Very rose bud thorn.
>> It is maybe like we're going to do rose.
>> What are your thorns of Jackson?
>> Mhm.
Um Okay. So, we do have a date. So, I
need to get um
>> I also think it could be cool. I got to
get child care. But um I think we should
have and I could set it up like
going in in the getting kids want to
come by like what do you love about
Jackson and have them do pictures,
words, do a thing, take some photos of
the backs of their heads with that. But
I'm
>> I just thought of that. We were talking
about the last meeting. We were talking
about child care.
>> Yes. That's why I'm going to ask so that
they can come in and we're going to have
to give up one of those rooms.
>> No, we can use the I'll ask if we can
use the school.
>> Oh, okay.
>> So, usually when we have Whitney public
meetings, we meet in there and then the
kids it's half and half. Sometimes they
go in one of the classrooms.
>> Oh, cool.
>> So, we don't have to get out of the
room.
And
we might not have that many.
Honestly, I feel like this might be one
of those things that a one parent gets
sent out and another parent stays back.
Like it might not be a full
>> participation,
>> but I do like when the child care out
there in the meeting announcement.
>> It is important. Yes. So, we want to say
it. It just might be a small group.
>> I'll volunteer. Just watch the kids.
If it was skiing time, they could all be
on that second meeting. Yeah.
>> And then I'll talk to John and Jen about
snacks.
>> Thanks for Thanks for putting this all
together. I feel like thought we were
going to put this together this meeting,
but you just did it.
>> I just did it so we could have a jumping
off point.
>> It's great. We jump really far.
>> Yeah.
Just awesome. Are there any
big areas of
I don't know concern push back we should
be aware of there used to No
>> not that I know
>> I mean not that it matters but people do
be prepared.
>> Give me any examples of that like there
any conversations we want to avoid. I
mean
>> development
>> yeah I mean I think just for the
facilitators whoever it is or both of
them maybe we could talk about that next
time
>> how to just maybe I can do like a quick
reminder of what a facilitator role is
supposed to be
>> um that you are not speaking the
majority of the time
>> you are listening you are asking
questions you are encouraging people to
to share because your touch on this can
be later and really you're going to be
the one to interpret the data and share
what it is. So this isn't a time to say
this is what I think this is what I
think. It's more to let folks
>> say what they think.
>> Um good point
>> even if you ignore it later that doesn't
matter. The the purpose of
uh public engagement and buyin is to
have them feel heard. heard it.
>> And
>> and sometimes your comment could move
the direction of the table.
>> Yeah. You just want this is a time for
listening and asking what people think.
And people can have different opinions
at the table. Nobody's wrong in their
own opinion right now. And we're not
going into that deeper conversation.
It's just supposed to be an information
gathering, not a deciding thing or
trying to prove somebody wrong. Do you
have any suggestions on encouraging
other people like encouraging someone
not to totally hog the conversation with
town and feel like they're not heard? I
feel like my experience with town
meeting is
>> my my experience and my partner's
experience with town meeting is like
there are some very loud people in
Jackson who dominate the conversation
and we don't always share their opinions
but they speak as if we do
>> and it'd be nice to not have that
dynamic in these meetings.
>> Well, that's that's the role of
facilitator. That's the toughest part is
to control them.
>> Hopefully with the smaller groups, it's
a little easier to control them than
when you have 150 people in a room.
>> Yeah.
>> And you're supposed to be fair to all
150 people in a room. That's tough. But
you can control. My experience is it's
easier to control a table that says,
"We've heard it from you. I'd like to
hear from
>> somebody else."
>> Somebody else.
>> Cool.
>> Because you really want everybody at
that table to say something. Right?
>> You don't want somebody to leave that
table and have said nothing.
>> So you can do like a round. We're going
to go around and everybody for less than
30 seconds is going to share what they
love about transportation.
>> Correct. Right.
>> And then you really enforce it.
>> Um and then maybe even Dave you can do
it before we break into the small groups
who say you know our recommendations for
this conversation are this. The point is
to have everybody sharing. Please, if
you've spoken to allow others.
>> We can have the sharing stick.
>> We can have the sharing stick.
>> Sharing stick around.
>> The microphone.
>> Yeah.
>> And then you wish for the best and it's
up to individual tables to do the thing.
>> Yeah. It does seem like it'll be a a I
mean, not a a place where people are
disagreeing and fighting.
>> No. There used to be Were you around
when there was I can't remember what it
was called in New Hampshire. Um but
there was this whole it was when I used
to be in regional planning and there was
this oh it was UN the UN had like come
out with saying something about like
design design and then like everybody in
New Hampshire was like no master plan
because you're going to take away
>> my
>> article 25 article 21 they were article
21 or so you go to these master plan
these little planners like me we go to
these master plan meetings they allowed
it and armed open Harry to come and be
to protest what and
>> because it set it up as if like there
was a new world order like top down
government.
>> It was just that's why I was asking like
is there any
>> you're not talking you're not talking
about the
>> this was like 15 years ago
>> free state.
>> It was a different movement. It was
called
>> the article 21
>> cuz I've been reading up on those
people.
>> Yeah. Yes. And I think that is over but
it was a thing for a while. the school.
>> Yeah.
>> Your house.
>> Um I know you're going to go. Yeah, I'm
following you.
>> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And you need to you need to leave
anyway, too.
>> Yeah.
>> We'll leave at 8. I thought I was going
to be heading out early.
>> Anything else, dude?
>> No, that was it. We
>> cover
>> When are we meeting again?
>> Yeah, it would be the next agenda. We
could do it now or I could send out an
email again tomorrow and just
>> because there's a lot of people.
>> We've been hanging out for Thursday is
what we've been at. Yeah,
>> this was a good time. So, you got my
vote for any any other or this this was
a good time for me to come?
>> Yes.
>> Also, I also you had a good time.
>> Yes, I did.
>> And again, we could do it earlier than 6
7 if it works better for people to go
earlier than 7 like 6:30.
>> October 1st, 7 Thursday, October 1st at
7:00.
>> It's a month from now.
>> I will be gone, but that is fine. We
>> want you there.
>> The 24th.
>> 24th is only in two weeks. That's two
weeks from now.
>> 3 weeks from three weeks from now.
>> Four weeks would be the first. Five
weeks would be the eth.
>> That's still 20 days before the next
before the
>> first.
>> The eth.
>> The eth
>> cuz it's the 28th is
>> I mean maybe do the eth
>> 8th. Great
>> for you.
>> No. Can't do. That's the planning board
meeting.
>> Oh
>> yeah.
>> I'm I'm good any other day. Any
>> 15th?
>> Yeah. What's wrong with the first? You
don't want to do the first? I will be
gone. I'm going to Al. Um
>> is any other day any other day in that
week on the 5th
>> for anybody? That's the only day that
can we can't do it.
>> I could do the um
>> the week I start the week.
>> Seventh.
>> Yeah, the seventh.
>> Seventh.
>> I don't think there's anything on the
seventh. I think the Tuesday is select
board.
>> Yes.
>> But that's usually in the afternoon. So
before that
>> seventh works for me.
>> Seventh.
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. The seventh I could do.
>> I'll everybody just so
Sweet.
>> Thank you, dude. This is good.
>> All right.
>> Okay.
>> Bye, Jane.
>> Thanks. See you, Courtney. Bye. Bye, D.
>> Bye.
>> Recording stopped.
>> All right.
It's like a rare meeting that I feel
like we're ahead of agenda and things
are getting
>> nice and small.
>> Oh, thank you.
>> All right. Good night, everybody.
>> Good night.
>> Goodbye. See you.
>> Thanks.